Gibbon
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Though she is looking a little dark in that first Ms. America photo Thrashen put up so: crap shoot.
Welkers wife on Ray Lewis
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Though she is looking a little dark in that first Ms. America photo Thrashen put up so: crap shoot.
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Any kids they would have would definitely be considered White. If it's indeterminable, physically, as to whether she's really "White" or not, maybe her attitude, behavior, and mannerisms should then be the deciding factor. In this case, especially with her comments regarding "Saint" Lewis, I would consider her White as she certainly doesn't seem to approve of TNB. Plus, she had to back off and apologize for them, which is certainly a White trait.
Arnold Von Winkelried
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No, seriously some Europeans do have racially-ambiguous features, but even in the great racial soup that the Western World has became today I can still tell in 98% of the case who is White and who isn't.
My guess concerning Anna Burns Welker would be half-Euro and half-Filipino (a mix that I sadly see more and more in my city) or maybe part-Amerindian. I know that the definition of whiteness isn't consensual, but for me it's simple : your American "one drop rule" applies. IMO There are however people who are Euro-compatible (e.g. Salma Hayek or another Eurasian Alexa Chung, ex girlfriend from Alex Turner, Arctic Monkeys vocalist, 1/4 Chinese) : it means they wouldn't alter the white genetic heritage too much if they have children with Europeans.
Another point many of you have raised in this thread is her tan. Tan or tanning ability is irrelevant to me concerning race, especially with all new tanning products or sunbeds. Skin color isn't always representative. Look at this H&M ad (obviously Photoshopped) :
Isabelli Fontana (Brazilian model of Italian descent) has, even without Photoshop, a great tanning ability. However in this picture or in the others of the same ad campaign she always look European. BTW a photo of her without this insane tan :
>slightly mixedThrashen said:
>White
Pick one.
And for those who complain about people that are a bit too picky about who is White and who isn't : you're on a pro-White website, so expect people who are a bit more intransigent than you.
Another thing : I don't care if non-Whites behave like Whites and are perfectly repectable. There are good people in every race and for me criminality doesn't matter that much. I just want racial preservation. As Jared Taylor says : "I want my grandchildren to look like my grandparents. I don't want them to look like Anwar Sadat or Fu Manchu or Whoopi Goldberg." Nothing else really matters.
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whiteathlete33
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No, seriously some Europeans do have racially-ambiguous features, but even in the great racial soup that the Western World has became today I can still tell in 98% of the case who is White and who isn't.
My guess concerning Anna Burns Welker would be half-Euro and half-Filipino (a mix that I sadly see more and more in my city) or maybe part-Amerindian. I know that the definition of whiteness isn't consensual, but for me it's simple : your American "one drop rule" applies. IMO There are however people who are Euro-compatible (e.g. Salma Hayek or another Eurasian Alexa Chung, ex girlfriend from Alex Turner, Arctic Monkeys vocalist, 1/4 Chinese) : it means they wouldn't alter the white genetic heritage too much if they have children with Europeans.
>slightly mixed
>White
Pick one.
And for those who complain about people that are a bit too picky about who is White and who isn't : you're on a pro-White website, so expect people who are a bit more intransigent than you.
Another thing : I don't care if non-Whites behave like Whites and are perfectly repectable. There are good people in every race and for me criminality doesn't matter that much. I just want racial preservation. As Jared Taylor says : "I want my grandchildren to look like my grandparents. I don't want them to look like Anwar Sadat or Fu Manchu or Whoopi Goldberg." Nothing else really matters.
No one here has any proof that she is not white. Secondly, as I've stated before, I have seen Polish girls that look very similar in my area. I don't want to agrue with anyone. You may be right, I may be wrong. No big deal.
Danny Woodhead supposedly has some Native American in him. Should we not root for him?
Arnold Von Winkelried
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There are racially ambiguous Polish girls as any other Europeans, but I've never seen a Polish girl with this kind of nose.
Concerning Danny Woodhead he looks more European than Anna Burns Welker (even if he has some weird features especially his eyes) and in a league almost completely non-White I won't be picky (in fact I don't really follow American Football). You Americans also have a strange fetish with Amerindian ancestry. This guy is supposedly half Cherokee...
Gibbon
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Race is spectral and somewhat fluid. That is, everyone is along a spectrum (in this instance, very white to white to part white to non-white). At some point, the non-white gene can be "bred out" of an otherwise white genetic line. It would take significantly longer in the case of an African gene than an Asian gene as the African gene tends to be particularly dominant and it would take even longer to reconstruct a "pure" blue eyed, Nordic phenotype, in any scenario.
In the old south there was a line (1/32 or even 1/16 Negro) where the admixture was considered sufficiently diluted and the lineage no longer considered non-white, though, of course, the "eye-ball test" is the final litmus (because, indeed, at least in the past, very few who could conceivably pass as white would admit to any black admixture). Even in Hitler's Germany, 1/4 Jewish was generally considered sufficiently Aryan provided the loyalty was to Germany and this was shown. The criteria for Jewish heritage in Israel, particularly among their rabbi class, is much more stringent, ironically.
Additionally the Alpine branch of the European type, while certainly European white, are understood to be Asian in origin (i.e. somewhere between Nordic and Asian). Their darker features and shorter skull shape is a testament to this. Hence, admixture somewhere in the past (conquering Mongolian/Hun hordes, etc, etc). And we know that the Spanish race, still considered white and a people of Europe, has a Semitic or Arabian admixture left over from Muslim conquest. The "black Irish" perhaps have a distant Phoenician admixture.
In other words the "one drop rule" is an expression. A useful expression but not to be taken completely, entirely literally.
As it concerns Welker's lineage: it would be better if he had married a woman that was clearly identifiable as white. As it is, his kids will look white with maybe a subtle, vaguely discernible non-white aspect. If his kids marry whites, they'll be indistinguishable from the standard European Alpine, they may even appear more Nordic than that depending on their marriage partners.
But ultimately Welker's (unconscious) choice was to dilute and weaken the broader European gene pool.
No, seriously some Europeans do have racially-ambiguous features, but even in the great racial soup that the Western World has became today I can still tell in 98% of the case who is White and who isn't.
My guess concerning Anna Burns Welker would be half-Euro and half-Filipino (a mix that I sadly see more and more in my city) or maybe part-Amerindian. I know that the definition of whiteness isn't consensual, but for me it's simple : your American "one drop rule" applies. IMO There are however people who are Euro-compatible (e.g. Salma Hayek or another Eurasian Alexa Chung, ex girlfriend from Alex Turner, Arctic Monkeys vocalist, 1/4 Chinese) : it means they wouldn't alter the white genetic heritage too much if they have children with Europeans.
Another point many of you have raised in this thread is her tan. Tan or tanning ability is irrelevant to me concerning race, especially with all new tanning products or sunbeds. Skin color isn't always representative. Look at this H&M ad (obviously Photoshopped) :
Isabelli Fontana (Brazilian model of Italian descent) has, even without Photoshop, a great tanning ability. However in this picture or in the others of the same ad campaign she always look European. BTW a photo of her without this insane tan :
>slightly mixed
>White
Pick one.
And for those who complain about people that are a bit too picky about who is White and who isn't : you're on a pro-White website, so expect people who are a bit more intransigent than you.
Another thing : I don't care if non-Whites behave like Whites and are perfectly repectable. There are good people in every race and for me criminality doesn't matter that much. I just want racial preservation. As Jared Taylor says : "I want my grandchildren to look like my grandparents. I don't want them to look like Anwar Sadat or Fu Manchu or Whoopi Goldberg." Nothing else really matters.
I would vote welker's wife white with a little american indian or her dad was in the military that area is close to US bases so maybe a asian mother.Since your pretty good at looking at the faces.I think both of these are white but what can you tell me by looking at Johnny Manizel and Kate Beckinsaw.Kate I think has some part of india ancestry.
Thrashen
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Since this thread has taken an unexpected tangent into questioning whether or not Welker’s wife is white, I took a few minutes and attempted to find photos of Anna Burns’ parents in pictures taken at their wedding in Aspen this past summer. Nothing conclusive.
The only source of information I found concerning Anna’s family is from an article about her grandmother attending last year’s Superbowl in support of Wes. Here is a photo of Anna’s paternal grandmother, Betty, who is obviously white…
Article…
http://www.wvgazette.com/Sports/201202160280
The article also mentions that Anna’s father’s name is “Richard Burns” and that he lives in “St. Albans,” West Virginia. A couple seconds of searching revealed that he is 54 years old (which would make sense because Anna is around 32 years old), is/was in the armed forced, and has a myspace and facebook page featuring this photo…
http://www.peekyou.com/richard_burns/241807787
Her mother’s name is supposedly “Vivian Schoonover.” For whatever reason, the name “Vivian” is very popular amongst Asian women born in America. Perhaps she divorced Anna’s father and is remarried? My guess is that the paternal side of Anna’s family is white, while the maternal side is Asian or partly Asian.
Again, I could be totally wrong.
The only source of information I found concerning Anna’s family is from an article about her grandmother attending last year’s Superbowl in support of Wes. Here is a photo of Anna’s paternal grandmother, Betty, who is obviously white…
Article…
http://www.wvgazette.com/Sports/201202160280
The article also mentions that Anna’s father’s name is “Richard Burns” and that he lives in “St. Albans,” West Virginia. A couple seconds of searching revealed that he is 54 years old (which would make sense because Anna is around 32 years old), is/was in the armed forced, and has a myspace and facebook page featuring this photo…
http://www.peekyou.com/richard_burns/241807787
Her mother’s name is supposedly “Vivian Schoonover.” For whatever reason, the name “Vivian” is very popular amongst Asian women born in America. Perhaps she divorced Anna’s father and is remarried? My guess is that the paternal side of Anna’s family is white, while the maternal side is Asian or partly Asian.
Again, I could be totally wrong.
frederic38
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her mother is colombian: part black, part amerindian
Arnold Von Winkelried
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Kate Beckinsale is 1/8 Burmese (since her father is one quarter Burmese and her mother is purely white). She looks completely white to me at first glance, but she was supposedly "very oriental-looking as a child".
Johnny Manziel looks totally white to me too. He has a bit a Slavic vibe.
The two can be considered as Whites.
Concerning Anna Burns Welker I fully support Thrashen thesis about an Asian mother. White male-Asian woman is sadly common in the Western World : in this case probably Anglo-saxon father and Filipino mother.
Source ?
frederic38
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Arnold Von Winkelried
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No need for a link, but even if I was wrong about her mother ethnicity it confirms the fact that she is half-non-white and she looks so.
Gibbon
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Her beauty is variable. She looks great in the swimsuit shots. "Meh" in some of the other more ad hoc photos. An interesting face with no angle that looks the same. Hot bod. Boob job. Butt maybe a little flat. An Asian/Amerind trait? Hard to tell in the photos I've seen.
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Black? I don't buy it. If that were true she'd have some sort of black feature. I see none.
Thread moved to Happy Hour as it no longer has anything to do with the NFL.
The Hock
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I doubt she considers herself white and bound by the rule that whites should never say anything negative about blacks.
So she felt free to speak the truth about Ray Lewis.
So she felt free to speak the truth about Ray Lewis.
BoxingSpecialist2
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To clarify…I didn’t say she wasn’t white in my original post, I said she had an “Asian look,” which she most certainly does in some photos I’ve seen of her over the years.
From what I remember, she and Wes became a couple a few months before he tore his ACL at the end of 2009. I remember she was seated next to Wes in the owner’s booth when the Ravens crushed the Patriots in the playoff game that Welker missed due to his knee injury. Since I’m always searching for Welker-related articles, I’ve inadvertently learned a little about her (all positive stuff), but unfortunately nothing about her family or heritage.
Normally, when unmixed whites have a non-colored iris (blue, green, or hazel), the brown pigment appears more like a light mixture of red and orange, whereas Welker’s wife has a nearly jet-black iris (nearly indistinguishable from the pupil). This trait is common among Asians and Amerindians…
It isn’t merely her very dark eye color; it’s her mouth, square cheek bones, and nose structure that reminds me of one of the light-skinned Asian races (Chinese, Japanese, Mongolian, etc). Compare these two women...
In my opinion, she is slightly mixed, but still white.
Great post and I largely agree with you. She clearly has some sort of non European mixture (probably Asian or Amerindian), but because her husband is white, and because she is very light skinned and could porbably pass as being 75% white, I think she should be considered full white. Their children, will also come out looking totally white.
Fully agreed.
If you wanna get technical she probably has some non Euro background, but most pronounced is her light skin colour and also add to the fact she has a white husband. Also, if you're going to get that technical and impose a "one drop rule" against being white, many people *even from Europe* we consider white would not pass that rule. She should be considered white in my opinion!
Imposing a one drop rule against whiteness would be ridiculous. You'd have to eliminate many whites in countries like Russia, Bulgaria, Romania, Spain et al. and say these people are not white, simply because these countries often have small amounts of mixing with Turks, Arabs, or Central Asians in their populations.
Imposing a one drop rule against whites would effectively half the perceived population of whites in the world. Basically, you'd only be counting North Western Europeans as white. That's absolutely insane and ridiculous and effectively reduces the popluation of whites by atleast one half, and as we know our numbers are already too low. We can't afford to make them even lower by imposing higher restrictions on the definition of "white".
I don't think thats a good approach for pro-white, or pro-Caucasian movements to use. On the contrary, to an extent they should be welcoming to small mixes. Passing an appearance test I think is the appropriate measure.
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BoxingSpecialist2
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Gibbon
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This discussion is academic.
The west is in terminal decline and admixtures like this are symptoms of that decline. Granted, this example is a more subtle and less viscerally repulsive example (at least from the perspective of the average horny, degenerate white male) to, say, a Seal and Heidi Klum but, nevertheless, it's a symptom of the same phenomena. And that "white racists" see little problem with the admixture is further evidence of this decline.
But hey I get it. I don't care either. Why care about anything over which you can not excercise control? For example, a boxing match or a professional football game? The bottom line: were a pro-white force capable of strengthening and thereby saving western civilization ever to come into power, this union would be regarded undesirable and perhaps shameful if not illegal. And certainly it wouldn't be fashionable.
But this is probably beyond the scope of this website which exists to cheer on white athletes.
Wes Welker is one of my favorite athletes. So is Dirk Nowitzki, who is married to a woman of African ancestry. I have an Asiaphile friend who actually moved to China for the Asian women. I have another one who married an Asian. Multiple former high school classmates have dated, are dating or are married to blacks. Do I like them less or judge them morally because of it? Of course not. It's the 2010s. I wouldn't do the same but to each their own. Would I sleep with a chick as good looking as Welker's wife whatever her racial origin? That's a stupid question. Big deal. Turn on the game.
The west is in terminal decline and admixtures like this are symptoms of that decline. Granted, this example is a more subtle and less viscerally repulsive example (at least from the perspective of the average horny, degenerate white male) to, say, a Seal and Heidi Klum but, nevertheless, it's a symptom of the same phenomena. And that "white racists" see little problem with the admixture is further evidence of this decline.
But hey I get it. I don't care either. Why care about anything over which you can not excercise control? For example, a boxing match or a professional football game? The bottom line: were a pro-white force capable of strengthening and thereby saving western civilization ever to come into power, this union would be regarded undesirable and perhaps shameful if not illegal. And certainly it wouldn't be fashionable.
But this is probably beyond the scope of this website which exists to cheer on white athletes.
Wes Welker is one of my favorite athletes. So is Dirk Nowitzki, who is married to a woman of African ancestry. I have an Asiaphile friend who actually moved to China for the Asian women. I have another one who married an Asian. Multiple former high school classmates have dated, are dating or are married to blacks. Do I like them less or judge them morally because of it? Of course not. It's the 2010s. I wouldn't do the same but to each their own. Would I sleep with a chick as good looking as Welker's wife whatever her racial origin? That's a stupid question. Big deal. Turn on the game.
The unofficial rule here is that we root for any athletes we want to without being criticized. Guys like Johnny Damon, Teddy Bruschi and others have had fans here. Some have rooted for blacks, or at least don't root against, those who conduct themselves in a classy manner.
As far as wives and girlfriends, the obsession with that by some has always made me uncomfortable. If a White woman chooses to be with a black athlete, that has nothing to do with the purpose of Caste Football. Calling her names accomplishes nothing; everyone knows there's a certain amount of race-mixing going on in this country, including by White men. Nor does scrutinizing the wives and girlfriends of White athletes for traces of non-European ancestry. Who Wes Welker chooses to marry is his business. We can criticize symptoms in general, but to pick on individuals for their choices is petty and only turns off potential supporters imo.
As far as wives and girlfriends, the obsession with that by some has always made me uncomfortable. If a White woman chooses to be with a black athlete, that has nothing to do with the purpose of Caste Football. Calling her names accomplishes nothing; everyone knows there's a certain amount of race-mixing going on in this country, including by White men. Nor does scrutinizing the wives and girlfriends of White athletes for traces of non-European ancestry. Who Wes Welker chooses to marry is his business. We can criticize symptoms in general, but to pick on individuals for their choices is petty and only turns off potential supporters imo.
BoxingSpecialist2
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Well, ideas and rationales change and evolve over time.
Not too long ago, say in the early 1900's, many white people had a problem accepting Irish, Italians, and Russians as being "white". In fact, many English people up to the 1900's, didn't even consider Irish as "white", and thought of them as below Brits. Slavs and Southern Europeans were also characterized as "from the South and East" and were regarded as nonwhite.
Today, obviously, people's ideas towards that has drastically changed, and probably all of the people on this site would consider Irish, Italians, and Russians as being white without question. (At least I hope so!)
You seem to be suggesting that we narrow our definition of "white" and accept only whites, but where do we draw the line I would ask you? Should we go back in time to our perceptions in the early 1900's and not even count Italians as white? What about the fact that literally, millions of white Europeans in countries like Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, BosniaiHerzegovina have Turkish mixture? Should we exclude them from being white? And can we really afford that considering we're already a global minority?
No offense but I find this type of thinking backwards and maybe some people would be better off coming out of the closet and admitting they're Nordic Supremacists who only view North Western Euros as "white".
White people are already a global minority, we don't need or want to exaggerate that by narrowing the definition of white. This white awareness movement is greatly hindered when people come in here and start talking about a narrow definition of white. That turns a lot of people off, and it also splinters the people who are here.
Anyways, personally, my stance is a Pro-Caucasian stance with tolerance for all fair-skin colour.
Full respect to you and your opinion but I see no problem with his wife and I would consider her as "white". To an extent, ideas need to change with the times, and I do think it's appropriate in this day and age to consider some non-European people as being white.
I think Wes Welker and his wife are a great match and I would consider them both white. End of story from my view.
If you're really going to use a "one drop rule" against being white, the global population of whites based on that definition would probably be less than 500 million (or about 5%)... Some people might even consider only certain Europeans as being white and in that case, you could even get down to only 200 or 300 million whites in the world. That's insane and people pushing this "Nordic" propaganda really hurt this movement IMO.
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Thrashen
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Below is a picture of Anna with her father, Richard Burns...
I believe this is Mr. Burns with his non-white grandson...
Compare this to Wes with his family...
Like Don said, who Welker marries is his business, however, I don’t think anyone here was speaking ill of him for choosing this particular woman. Over the past 5-6 years, Wes has done more good for white athletes than almost any other NFL player. Personally, if I were in his shoes, I’d choose a hot white woman who wasn’t racially ambiguous… someone who looked more like me and my family. Given Welker’s work environment, I’m sure he has countless black friends and, like most white American athletes, isn’t racially conscious whatsoever. Like Tedy Bruschi, Johnny Damon, Doug Floutie, Matt Khalil, Sam Bradford, Greg Camarillo, Lolo Jones, Derek Moye, Roger Robinson, Rob Housler, and so many others we've discussed...she comes close to passing the “eye test” of the masses, but not racially conscious whites.
I believe this is Mr. Burns with his non-white grandson...
Compare this to Wes with his family...
Like Don said, who Welker marries is his business, however, I don’t think anyone here was speaking ill of him for choosing this particular woman. Over the past 5-6 years, Wes has done more good for white athletes than almost any other NFL player. Personally, if I were in his shoes, I’d choose a hot white woman who wasn’t racially ambiguous… someone who looked more like me and my family. Given Welker’s work environment, I’m sure he has countless black friends and, like most white American athletes, isn’t racially conscious whatsoever. Like Tedy Bruschi, Johnny Damon, Doug Floutie, Matt Khalil, Sam Bradford, Greg Camarillo, Lolo Jones, Derek Moye, Roger Robinson, Rob Housler, and so many others we've discussed...she comes close to passing the “eye test” of the masses, but not racially conscious whites.
I agree, I was speaking in generalities, not singling out any one post, thread or poster. I know there is always going to be curiosity about subjects like this on a board of this nature, but as is the policy on other matters, discussion should be kept civil and individuals (and their families) shouldn't be attacked for the very personal choices they make when it comes to a spouse.