Vitali Klitschko vs. Dereck Chisora

[Westside]

A tad harse on Vitali?

He gets bitch slapped at the weigh in, his brother gets spit in the face in the ring, and what is his response? A 12 round snoozer of a fight even before he hurt his hand. 12 rounds of sparring with a guy that is half his size and half his skill level. This is typical Kilitschko and it is confounding. It is one thing to be a machine and another to lack emotion. If ever there was a time to lay an ass whipping on someone this was it. But no, more of the same.

Look I like these guys because they are white and they win. Other then that it disappointing to me watching them fight. A fight should be an emotional event, not a scripted dance. I have said this before, I understand why so many fight fans don't like the K-bros. Too unemotional. It's nice that they win and get very rich but boxing is supposed to have some entertainment value.

Note that this is MY opinion and if you like to see a Klitschko hover around a safe distance away and throw long jabs while waiting to deliver an occasional right--great--you get what you want each time.

Jaxvid

Your last post underscores my assertion of being a tad harsh or not really knowing what the sweet science is all about. There has never been a big man the size of Vitali, who has the athletism or ring movement he has. Never. Yes, Ali had it when he was young up till he was 30 years old, but he was much smaller.

Chimpsora, though a detestable border line human, is a good rugged fighter with an iron chin. This can not be disputed. He beat the 4th best heavyweight in Hellinius several months ago with relative ease.

Vitali, pretty much toyed with him, fighting with one arm. Like I stated previously, if his left arm was tip top, we would have witnessed another Shannon Briggs unreal beat down. Finally, Vitali is over 40 yrs old. I have boxed. Its takes supreme condition and athletism to beat a good fighter grinding on you for 12 rounds.

Like Dan Raphael stated, Vitali is one of the greatest heavyweight fighters bar none of all time. This courageous effort only enhances his legacy.

 

[whiteathlete33]

I'll admit I was a bit disappointed with Vitali's performance. Chisora was able to get inside on him at times, something almost no fighter has done against him. His age is catching up to him as he's lost some speed and athleticism over the years. He still won and convincingly.

I was frustrated that he didn't retaliate against Chisora when he was slapped. If I get slapped by someone like that instinct would take over and I would attack. Getting water spit in your face and standing doing nothing is unacceptable. If we continue to allow these violent negroes to get away with this nonsense then we are truly in big trouble.

 

[JReb1]

Thanks for the link!

It was nice to watch a fight without commentators trying to tell you whats happening and usually being extremely biased while doing it.

Vital dominated the fight and he repeatedly landed thudding right hands to Chisoras head. I had Vitali easily winning almost every round.

The Klit brothers are exciting HW's, people just tend to forget how boring most past HW champs were. Most of Ali, Holmes and Tysons fights were somewhat "boring" because like the Klits they were able to dominate most of their competition when at their peaks. Holyfield had exciting fights because he lacked the size and skill to dominate (but he made up for it with heart, determination and a great chin) so he ended up in many exciting Gatti style wars.

 

[werewolf]

A tad harse on Vitali?

He gets bitch slapped at the weigh in, his brother gets spit in the face in the ring, and what is his response? A 12 round snoozer of a fight even before he hurt his hand. 12 rounds of sparring with a guy that is half his size...

Vitali 243, Chimp 241. You're math needs some work. Switch on the wrasslin channel. Maybe you'll like that better. Boxing is supposed to be - in theory anyway - a legitimate sport, not a slapstick minstrel show.

That being said, I'd like to see Chimp try his monkey business in Argentina!

The British Boxing Association is supposed to be investigating whether to take the two chimps' boxing licenses away. Ha! That's the same bunch of bandits that supposedly investigated Gaylord's phony fight with his butt-buddy Harrison and couldn't find anything suspicious about it.

 

[werewolf]

I watched the Fury-Chimpsora fight again, and I have gained new respect for Fury, the way he handled the African human-gorilla hybrid. Chimp did weigh a lot more for that fight but he looked very solid.

 

[Westside]

I'll admit I was a bit disappointed with Vitali's performance. Chisora was able to get inside on him at times, something almost no fighter has done against him. His age is catching up to him as he's lost some speed and athleticism over the years. He still won and convincingly.I was frustrated that he didn't retaliate against Chisora when he was slapped. If I get slapped by someone like that instinct would take over and I would attack. Getting water spit in your face and standing doing nothing is unacceptable. If we continue to allow these violent negroes to get away with this nonsense then we are truly in big trouble.

WA 33, I agree with you on one point. Vitali and Wlad both should retaliated against chimpsora when slapped and spit on. In the least It sends the wrong Message to our youth.

 

[werewolf]

WA 33, I agree with you on one point. Vitali and Wlad both should retiated against chimpsora when slapped and spit on. In the least It sends the wrong Message to our youth.

Vitali was trying to get at Chimpsora but the crowd intervened. Yes, I would have preferred to see Wladimir retaliate instead of just standing there. The ring would have erupted into bedlam then. Thinking about it now, I think the ref should have disqualified Chimpsora right then and there, as soon as he spit on Wlad, and awarded the fight to Vitali before it even started.

 

[BoxingSpecialist2]

A tad harse on Vitali?

He gets bitch slapped at the weigh in, his brother gets spit in the face in the ring, and what is his response? A 12 round snoozer of a fight even before he hurt his hand. 12 rounds of sparring with a guy that is half his size and half his skill level. This is typical Kilitschko and it is confounding. It is one thing to be a machine and another to lack emotion. If ever there was a time to lay an ass whipping on someone this was it. But no, more of the same.

Look I like these guys because they are white and they win. Other then that it disappointing to me watching them fight. A fight should be an emotional event, not a scripted dance. I have said this before, I understand why so many fight fans don't like the K-bros. Too unemotional. It's nice that they win and get very rich but boxing is supposed to have some entertainment value.

Note that this is MY opinion and if you like to see a Klitschko hover around a safe distance away and throw long jabs while waiting to deliver an occasional right--great--you get what you want each time.

Lets get something straight here. Vitali & Wladimir Klitschko are quite possibly the best white men to ever step foot in a boxing ring. (Though Joe Calzaghe, Rocky Marciano could probably also lay claim to that.) As a white fan, who recognizes the caste system, you should be aware of that and support that.

Do you have any idea how many Negroes these guys have knocked out, unconcsious in their careers? You're probably talking about 50 or 60, perhaps even 70 negro Opponents knocked out between the 2 brothers. These guys have a massive media profile, are probably the most famous boxers *in the entire world*.

In all honesty, I'd go so far as to say that not only are the Klitschko Brothers the best white boxers in the world, they very well could be the best white athletes *of ANY SPORT* in the world.

Their entire careers are caste-shattering in the sense that these guys have been routinely beating up and knocking out Negroes since the mid 1990s and they make it look easy. Wladimir has the 5th longest heavyweight reign of alltime, and truthfully, he should probably be rated as a top5 heavyweight of alltime.

I don't think you are comprehending the greatness of these 2 athletes. Your comments come across as severely ignorant.

In the entire sporting world, I dont think any other white athletes come close to being as caste-shattering as the 2K Brothers. These guys have been knocking out Negroes for almost 2 decades now.

These guys are phenomenal athletes, probably the best white athletes of any sport. Show some respect for their achievements.

 

[BoxingSpecialist2]

Lets get another thing straight here. Vitali is god damn 40 years old. Most heavyweights of the past retired in their mid30s. Joe Louis, a great black former champion was KO'd in 8 rounds by Marciano at age 36 and he got excused for that because "he was old". So why can't Vitali use that same excuse?

Do you see old Bernard Hopkins knocking anybody out at his age? No
Do you see most heavyweights continue to fight past 40 with tremendous success? No

Vitali is god damn 40 years old. Understand that, and understand that at 40 years old, to knock out top level guys who are 25 years old is asking a lot of him.

Vitali is a human and he is not God.

Him and his brother have beaten up and knocked out Negroes like no one else in the past and they deserve so much credit for that. In all honesty, I'd say they are the best white athletes of any sport in the past 15 years.

He outclassed and outskilled Chisora, totally outboxed him and made him look stupid. End of. He did amazing for his age and no doubt had Vitali been 35, or 30, he would have KO'd this guy. As it is though, he's 40.

Vitali and Wladimir are easily the best white boxers of alltime, much much better than any MMA fighter of alltime. These guys are possibly some of the best white athletes of alltime, of any sport.

I dont recall ever seeing a white athlete routinely and totally annihilate Negroes in the manner the KBrothers have. Show some respect.

I really feel that not only are the KBrothers the best white boxers, they may also be the best white athletes in any sport.

 

[BoxingSpecialist2]

Like Dan Raphael stated, Vitali is one of the greatest heavyweight fighters bar none of all time. This courageous effort only enhances his legacy.

+100

& I do feel this win over Chisora makes his career resume stronger. The guy is 40 years old and beating up 25, 30yr old guys in their prime who are decent fighters. Chisora very well could go on to be a champion in boxing, 2 or 3, or 4 years from now. That will make Vitali's win look even better.

In fact, I'd say its a safebet that in the Post Klitschko era, Chisora will hold a title or two. That will make Vitali's win here look even better.

Vitali & Wlad have achieved so much, and Ive never seen 2 white athletes totally annihilate and outclass numerous Negroes in the way they have. These guys entire lives are caste-shattering.

WA 33, I agree with you on one point. Vitali and Wlad both should retaliated against chimpsora when slapped and spit on. In the least It sends the wrong Message to our youth.

No, I dont think they should have. There's boxing and there's streetfighting. Boxing is classy. Streetfighting is trashy.

Vitali beat Chisora in the ring. Thats the only place it counts.

I think Vitali & Wlad did very well not to retaliate, but to win the fight. To retaliate would have brought them down to the same level of the Negro who started the ruckus.

 

[The Hock]

A tad harse on Vitali?

He gets bitch slapped at the weigh in, his brother gets spit in the face in the ring, and what is his response? A 12 round snoozer of a fight even before he hurt his hand. 12 rounds of sparring with a guy that is half his size and half his skill level. This is typical Kilitschko and it is confounding. It is one thing to be a machine and another to lack emotion. If ever there was a time to lay an ass whipping on someone this was it. But no, more of the same.

Look I like these guys because they are white and they win. Other then that it disappointing to me watching them fight. A fight should be an emotional event, not a scripted dance. I have said this before, I understand why so many fight fans don't like the K-bros. Too unemotional. It's nice that they win and get very rich but boxing is supposed to have some entertainment value.

Note that this is MY opinion and if you like to see a Klitschko hover around a safe distance away and throw long jabs while waiting to deliver an occasional right--great--you get what you want each time.

I knew it. I suspected all along. TROLL!

 

[whiteathlete33]

+100

& I do feel this win over Chisora makes his career resume stronger. The guy is 40 years old and beating up 25, 30yr old guys in their prime who are decent fighters. Chisora very well could go on to be a champion in boxing, 2 or 3, or 4 years from now. That will make Vitali's win look even better.

In fact, I'd say its a safebet that in the Post Klitschko era, Chisora will hold a title or two. That will make Vitali's win here look even better.

Vitali & Wlad have achieved so much, and Ive never seen 2 white athletes totally annihilate and outclass numerous Negroes in the way they have. These guys entire lives are caste-shattering.



No, I dont think they should have. There's boxing and there's streetfighting. Boxing is classy. Streetfighting is trashy.

Vitali beat Chisora in the ring. Thats the only place it counts.

I think Vitali & Wlad did very well not to retaliate, but to win the fight. To retaliate would have brought them down to the same level of the Negro who started the ruckus.

So you think it's acceptable for negroes to spit on and slap the white heavyweight champion of the world? If young white kids see the "baddest men on the planet" getting slapped around by negroes on television what kind of message does that send? If the heavyweight champion can't deal with a negro then what is the average white citizen to do? Run?

 

[Westside]

So you think it's acceptable for negroes to spit on and slap the white heavyweight champion of the world? If young white kids see the "baddest men on the planet" getting slapped around by negroes on television what kind of message does that send? If the heavyweight champion can't deal with a negro then what is the average white citizen to do? Run?

WA 33, I respect you and Jaxvid as esteemed CF members here. But if you try to discredit BoxingSpecialist here, its misguided and unwarranted.

Our young poster here is a border line schalor on boxing for his age. Everything he has stated in my opinion is spot on. We all know that here in America that the Bros should have bitch slapped Chimpsora once assualted outside of the ring, but they were being gentalmen to a fault. Lets try not to disparge a European ally here and a White Man as well.

 

[Frenchnative]

Lets get another thing straight here. Vitali is god damn 40 years old.

But 6 months before that, he looked far more dominant, strong and quick on his feet against Adamek than he did against Chisora.
I don't rate the Zimbabwean, he's a slow pressure fighter with a little punch and a decent chin who got lucky he faced two injured giants. The healthy one in Tyson Fury manhandled him easily and although i like the young gip, he's the less skilled and powerful of the 3 big guys by a mile.

 

[whiteathlete33]

WA 33, I respect you and Jaxvid as esteemed CF members here. But if you try to discredit BoxingSpecialist here, its misguided and unwarranted.

Our young poster here is a border line schalor on boxing for his age. Everything he has stated in my opinion is spot on. We all know that here in America that the Bros should have bitch slapped Chimpsora once assualted outside of the ring, but they were being gentalmen to a fault. Lets try not to disparge a European ally here and a White Man as well.

Westside, I respect you greatly as well but my point is we need to put an end to this nonsense. If Vitali had reacted it wouldn't have made him any less of a gentleman. It's call self-defense, something many of us forget to do when attacked by a violent negro. I really wish Vitali had whooped his a-s like Fury did.

Another thing that's really frustrating me about the heavyweight division is all these non-whites in title fights. Since coming out of retirement, Vitali has fought two whites(Adamek and Sosnowski) and seven non-whites. Whites are certainly dominating the heavyweight division, but you wouldn't know it from the guys that Vitali has been fighting. Where are all these stud white fighters? Looks like they are being shut out nicely.

Now take a look at Wladimir's last ten fights. He too has fought only two whites, Chagaev and Ibragimov, and Chagaev was a replacement for that p-ssy Haye. While I certainly love the K brothers pounding blacks into submission what's the point of having such a white stacked heavyweight division if none of these guys are getting title fights?

 

[Westside]

WA 33, Agreed. On ur points. But I think the K Bros pick negros because of the White & Black angle . It sells in Europe! Alot of Whites want to see blacks beaten.

 

[jaxvid]

I like Vitali and Wlad, I've had them as my avatar for long periods before. But I stand by my personal opinion that I would like to see them put more of a beating on some fighters. After both the Haye and Chisora pre-fight nonsense they said that they would make them pay in the ring. A 12 round decision is not really making anyone "pay". I expect more.

I know the K-bros are smart. It's smart to jab at a distance, soften up the opponant for several rounds and then set them up for some 'steel-hammer' rights. It's a good and working formula. I just think sometimes it's okay to brawl. The problem with brawling is that it entails risks and sometimes you are going to get hit. I'm sure the Klitschko's don't like to get hit (who does?) because in almost all of the fights I have seen of them they haven't been in trouble or wobbled, let alone knocked down. So they stay away from being risky. Good strategy but maybe not always entertaining.

Also: I have been watching boxing as a fan for over 40 years, I don't want to hear about how I don't know what I'm talking about--just because I don't agree with you on something, or, more ridiculously that I'm a "troll" because I don't agree with you. And to the poster that is constantly referring to black people as monkey's, apes, and chimps, you are violating the site guidelines, so please stop doing that.

 

[werewolf]

"And to the poster that is constantly referring to black people as monkey's, apes, and chimps, you are violating the site guidelines, so please stop doing that. "


Where are these "guidelines"? Anyway, henceforth I shall try to remember to refer to to our esteemed simian sportsmen as African American Gentlemen of Colour or something along those lines, as I think that the actions of the estimable Messrs. Chim- I mean Chisora and Ga - I mean Haye have proven themselves to be worthy of being treated with more respect.

 

[jaxvid]

"And to the poster that is constantly referring to black people as monkey's, apes, and chimps, you are violating the site guidelines, so please stop doing that. "


Where are these "guidelines"? Anyway, henceforth I shall try to remember to refer to to our esteemed simian sportsmen as African American Gentlemen of Colour or something along those lines, as I think that the actions of the estimable Messrs. Chim- I mean Chisora and Ga - I mean Haye have proven themselves to be worthy of being treated with more respect.

You should be able to use that big homo sapian brain of yours to find the guidelines on a posting forum but I'll make it easy for you.

http://www.castefootball.us/forums/showthread.php?530-Guidelines&p=233501#post233501

 

[dwid]

Vitali has always been a brawler, he takes a good deal of hits, look how low he tends to hold his hands. Wlad has always been a little more conservative, especially after hiring Steward. He seems to have a weaker chin. Vitali is old and has been plagued by injuries throughout his career which probably affects his power a little bit. His knockout ratio has gone down since he has come back, he actually doesn't have the highest knockout ratio, Rocky Marciano does, he is at number 2.

It would be hard for anyone to knockout Haye when he is running away the entire fight.

 

[The Hock]

Jaxvid, come on, man, you're maybe the funniest poster on the site. That troll comment was of course a joke. I considered putting a laughy face with it, but I figured surely Jaxvid will see it as the joke that it is.


I guess I was wrong...:cry:

 

[Charles Martel]

Jaxvid:

The purpose of Caste Football is to root for white athletes and to see that they receive their due in American society and that they participate in athletic endeavors on a level playing field.

Did you give Vitali his due, or were you being unfairly negative about him?

Most boxing writers such as Dan Rafael and even Michael Rosenthal gave Vitali credit.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/171583-weekend-review-one-handed-victory

BIGGEST WINNER - Vitali Klitschko: The 40-year-old Ukrainian easily outpointed a decent heavyweight in Dereck Chisora with one hand Saturday night in Munich, Germany. Not a bad night’s work. Klitschko apparently suffered a partial tear of a ligament in his left shoulder in the third round, leaving his left arm more or less useless from then on. Klitschko normally sets up power punches with his left jab, meaning he was without a key weapon for much of the fight. Thus, if we accept the diagnosis, what appeared to be a so-so performance was actually impressive both in terms of his ability to adjust and his courage. The disturbing question now is when will Klitschko be able to fight again? His representatives say he doesn’t need surgery, which is good news. They expect him to get back into the ring before the end of the year. Let’s hope things go well. We’d hate to see him go out because of an injury.

 

[jaxvid]

Jaxvid:

Did you give Vitali his due, or were you being unfairly negative about him?

My man, don't quote the guidelines to me. Yes I gave him what I thought was his "DUE"
in MY OPINION I thought it was a less then stellar performance. (the injury effects that--but at the time I did not know that). That's what I thought was his "DUE". I know you disagree with that but if you are trying to make a point that no white athlete can ever be criticized for anything ever or else the site guidelines are being violated then you are wrong.

As a mod I have always allowed posters a wide latitude in opinion about white atheletes and I expect the same. If I think the K-bros are lacking in excitement then that is a personal opinion and is not a violation to express that feeling. Why should it be?

Racial slurs are clearly a violation though and still posters are given a wide latitude in that also.

 

[white is right]

The only other heavyweight that had remotely the success of Vitali is Foreman and he was clearly more "shot" than Vitali is. Vitali is the equivalent of the fast ball pitcher that learns a off speed pitch to still strike out batters. Also what other one armed fighter has ever pitched a near shut out in world title fight at 40. Everytime he fights he is making sporting history

Lets get another thing straight here. Vitali is god damn 40 years old. Most heavyweights of the past retired in their mid30s. Joe Louis, a great black former champion was KO'd in 8 rounds by Marciano at age 36 and he got excused for that because "he was old". So why can't Vitali use that same excuse?

Do you see old Bernard Hopkins knocking anybody out at his age? No
Do you see most heavyweights continue to fight past 40 with tremendous success? No

Vitali is god damn 40 years old. Understand that, and understand that at 40 years old, to knock out top level guys who are 25 years old is asking a lot of him.

Vitali is a human and he is not God.

Him and his brother have beaten up and knocked out Negroes like no one else in the past and they deserve so much credit for that. In all honesty, I'd say they are the best white athletes of any sport in the past 15 years.

He outclassed and outskilled Chisora, totally outboxed him and made him look stupid. End of. He did amazing for his age and no doubt had Vitali been 35, or 30, he would have KO'd this guy. As it is though, he's 40.

Vitali and Wladimir are easily the best white boxers of alltime, much much better than any MMA fighter of alltime. These guys are possibly some of the best white athletes of alltime, of any sport.

I dont recall ever seeing a white athlete routinely and totally annihilate Negroes in the manner the KBrothers have. Show some respect.

I really feel that not only are the KBrothers the best white boxers, they may also be the best white athletes in any sport.

 

[white is right]

So you think it's acceptable for negroes to spit on and slap the white heavyweight champion of the world? If young white kids see the "baddest men on the planet" getting slapped around by negroes on television what kind of message does that send? If the heavyweight champion can't deal with a negro then what is the average white citizen to do? Run?

If Wlad retaliates he could injure the moronic street fighter and the title fight is over before it begins. After the fight you look as classless as he is. Plus that isn't Wlad's mental make up. Vitali has a lot of "street" in him he probably would deck a Chisora if he spit on him after the fight he brawled in the Kiev city council chambers and tried to fight members of the Lewis camp in their fight, two different personalities.