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Howard is playing a stellar game, thus far. he's keeping the US within a shot of surprising the world.
meanwhile, the two #10s Rooney and Donovan have done little ... Edited by: Jimmy Chitwood
meanwhile, the two #10s Rooney and Donovan have done little ... Edited by: Jimmy Chitwood
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Wright Phillips the Black player brought on for Milner because of Milners yellow card has been awful.Capello needs to bring on Cole who offers far more creativity.
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Rooney has awakened, but Howard is just playing out of his mind. he's keeping the US in the game. how long can he keep carrying the team?
meanwhile, Findley did nothing before he was subbed out.
meanwhile, Findley did nothing before he was subbed out.
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Yet another England goalkeeping disaster. Ray Clemence against Scotland at Wembley in 1977(?). David Seamen against Brazil in 2002. Paul Robinson's catastrophic embarrassment against Croatia. Now Robert Green against the USA.
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for the USA ... why has Dempsey never been given a chance to play forward? he gave England fits today, and he has terrific pace. it's not like Findley or Buddle are the answer. Donovan had a game to forget, as did Bradley.
for England ... Crouch provided more of a threat in his sparse minutes than Heskey during the whole duration of the match. England has big question marks on defense and they didn't provide good service to Rooney until the final 15 minutes or so.
overall, a game that revealed each team's weaknesses and did little else. the 1-1 draw is a BIG win for the USA, in my opinion.
edited to add: i should also point out that US keeper Tim Howard played an exceptionally good game. he was the man of the match, in my view. the US couldn't have asked for more from him.
this game was a big disappointment for the Brits. i can't imagine that they're satisfied with the draw.Edited by: Jimmy Chitwood
for England ... Crouch provided more of a threat in his sparse minutes than Heskey during the whole duration of the match. England has big question marks on defense and they didn't provide good service to Rooney until the final 15 minutes or so.
overall, a game that revealed each team's weaknesses and did little else. the 1-1 draw is a BIG win for the USA, in my opinion.
edited to add: i should also point out that US keeper Tim Howard played an exceptionally good game. he was the man of the match, in my view. the US couldn't have asked for more from him.
this game was a big disappointment for the Brits. i can't imagine that they're satisfied with the draw.Edited by: Jimmy Chitwood
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Mighty Joe said:
One clueless winger was enough, they didn't need a second one.ÂÂÂ
This was a pathetic display from England. They played primitive football, just trying to hit Heskey from the back and feed off the second ball for the most part. Gerrard and Lampard were clueless in the middle of the field. Neither wanted to retrieve the ball from the defense to link things together. Then the defense ended up hitting long balls and losing possession.
England don't really have a kind of creative instinct like Spain or Argentina do. They give away the ball far too much. It all feels kind of forced to me, whereas other teams are relaxed on the ball and create space with quick passing and clever movement.
The American players, looking at them objectively, should really not be competitive with the English players. There's a huge gap in ability between them in most cases. America defended well and benefited from poor English defending, a bad goalkeeping error and England's primitive style of play.
Capello has big problems ahead.
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Good for the U.S. getting a tie with England.
I expect them to do fine the rest of the first round and advance.
I expect them to do fine the rest of the first round and advance.
White Male said:Mighty Joe said:
One clueless winger was enough, they didn't need a second one.ÂÂÂCole should really have been brought  on to replace Milner.ÂÂÂ
This was a pathetic display from England. They played primitive football, just trying to hit Heskey from the back and feed off the second ball for the most part. Gerrard and Lampard were clueless in the middle of the field. Neither wanted to retrieve the ball from the defense to link things together. Then the defense ended up hitting long balls and losing possession.
England don't really have a kind of creative instinct like Spain or Argentina do. They aren't really incisive with their passing at.  They give away the ball far too much. It all feels kind of forced to me, whereas other teams are relaxed on the ball and create space with quick passing and clever movement.
The American players, looking at them objectively, should really not be competitive with the English players. There's a huge gap in ability between them in most cases. America defended well and benefited from poor English defending, a bad goalkeeping error and England's primitive style of play.
Capello has big problems ahead.
If there is any gap in ability it's England which suffers the gap . The US outplayed England . They came closer to winning the game. You are a version of the DWF except you Eurosnobs believe the US has no talent when they outplay Italy, Spain and England. There is no logic in your argument. I saw US players beating English millionaire pretty boys who are slow and have no more talent than the US players.
Not at all impressed with England. US frustrated England's mostly anemic attacks all evening. Howard the clear man of the match and Green the clear goat. You have to feel terrible for the guy. Just really no excuse for fumbling such a ball.
Speaking of which, the ball clearly took off all over the place. So many high drives clearly way beyond the goal.
Regardless, Green's mistake was just horrific...what can you say? Will live on for ages if England doesn't get out of the group.
Rooney was held in check, no creativity from England besides a couple of isolated runs. Lots of kicking the ball around from both sides and heading and chasing.
Frankly, it looked mostly ugly all night. I attribute this to the fact that both sides play similar styles of run, head, chase, get the ball out on the wings and then hope something good happens.
US defense really played well. England couldn't break them down to get the winner. Howard made some nice saves and Heskey...well, I'm not even gonna bother.
Where was Lampard? MIA.
You have to play Joe Cole the rest of the tournament. There is really no other choice.
A. Cole played ok, Gerrard too, Terry tough in defense. Other then this, Capello needs to go back to the drawing board. The formation was not just working. Just awkward with little to no true rhythm.
USA's tie was a victory really. And strangely from a Caste perspective, USA was the better team.
Either way, Serbia, Germany and maybe even Ghana will be too much for both these teams if they match up the next round.
Although, Slovenia must feel confident. A chance to get in good position for them. Beat Algeria and both England and USA looked pedestrian so Slovenia can not be counted out. I think they should not at all be impressed with either side.
Capello must be angry. The England of today looks no different then the England of 5 years ago. Just a bit darker.
USA-Slovenia will be a real dog fight.
Speaking of which, the ball clearly took off all over the place. So many high drives clearly way beyond the goal.
Regardless, Green's mistake was just horrific...what can you say? Will live on for ages if England doesn't get out of the group.
Rooney was held in check, no creativity from England besides a couple of isolated runs. Lots of kicking the ball around from both sides and heading and chasing.
Frankly, it looked mostly ugly all night. I attribute this to the fact that both sides play similar styles of run, head, chase, get the ball out on the wings and then hope something good happens.
US defense really played well. England couldn't break them down to get the winner. Howard made some nice saves and Heskey...well, I'm not even gonna bother.
Where was Lampard? MIA.
You have to play Joe Cole the rest of the tournament. There is really no other choice.
A. Cole played ok, Gerrard too, Terry tough in defense. Other then this, Capello needs to go back to the drawing board. The formation was not just working. Just awkward with little to no true rhythm.
USA's tie was a victory really. And strangely from a Caste perspective, USA was the better team.
Either way, Serbia, Germany and maybe even Ghana will be too much for both these teams if they match up the next round.
Although, Slovenia must feel confident. A chance to get in good position for them. Beat Algeria and both England and USA looked pedestrian so Slovenia can not be counted out. I think they should not at all be impressed with either side.
Capello must be angry. The England of today looks no different then the England of 5 years ago. Just a bit darker.
USA-Slovenia will be a real dog fight.
Yet again i predicted the correct score.
England were shambolical.PLaying blacks like heskey we were always going to get in trouble. Where was joe cole??Where was gareth barry.
Crapello is awful,. we wot even qualify.
1-1 was a deserved result imo, ok it was a goal keeping error,,bu the blacks on the team were dreadful, gerrard played well and rooney had no service. Heskey was embarassing.
the postive tonight was that the whites played well, such as dempsey, dONvanon and gerrard, the rest should be shot, awful game.
England were shambolical.PLaying blacks like heskey we were always going to get in trouble. Where was joe cole??Where was gareth barry.
Crapello is awful,. we wot even qualify.
1-1 was a deserved result imo, ok it was a goal keeping error,,bu the blacks on the team were dreadful, gerrard played well and rooney had no service. Heskey was embarassing.
the postive tonight was that the whites played well, such as dempsey, dONvanon and gerrard, the rest should be shot, awful game.
Didn't the US tie Italy the last WC? England had more chances than the US. Heskey and Lennon had point blank shots and didn't score. The fact that Howard was the man of the match means England was putting on more pressure. The US got lucky with a goal.The US is a decent team and as I said I wouldn't be surprised if they got to the final 8.
But F3dor and Borussia, you are right. Joe Cole must play. Why was Phillips out there and not Joe Cole? I would play Rooney and Crouch up front, Gerrard and Barry in the center. Milner on the right and Cole on the left.Lampard can come off the bench or start and let Gerrard rest.Adam Johnson should have gone instead of phillips.
Or Gerrard on the left, barry and lampard in the middle, milner or lennon on the right and cole and rooney up front.
But F3dor and Borussia, you are right. Joe Cole must play. Why was Phillips out there and not Joe Cole? I would play Rooney and Crouch up front, Gerrard and Barry in the center. Milner on the right and Cole on the left.Lampard can come off the bench or start and let Gerrard rest.Adam Johnson should have gone instead of phillips.
Or Gerrard on the left, barry and lampard in the middle, milner or lennon on the right and cole and rooney up front.
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jwhite96 said:
Am Iupset that Australia lost to the United States in a warm-up match? Grow up, mate. This is a discussion board, not a kindergarten.
Have I heard of Pato? Ooooh, aren't You the witty one? If onlyI possessed Your obviously encyclopedic knowledge of players...
Altidore scored against Spain - well, so did South Africa's Katlego Mphela. In fact, Mphela scored twice. Does that mean the South African black is twice as impressive as Your American black? After all, he did score more goals against Spain than Altidore!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but You seem to believe that Landon Donovan is one of the world's leading players - if only Donovan was given a chance by thoseignorant fools at Bayern Munich (who, like me, obviously knownothing about football)I'm sure that the German club would have won this year's edition of the Champions League...
Pardon my backward European naivety, but I didn't realise that beating Spain made the United States a footballing superpower.What if, just for argument's sake, Spain's "streak" had been broken bySlovakiaor Wales - would that lift those two nations to equally stratospheric heights? Would You be bringing that up as evidence of footballing greatness? Sure You would...
Yes, Australia did cop an atrocious decision against Italy in the previous World Cup finals tournament. But the decision to reduce Italy to ten men was also erroneous. Australia played with a one man advantage for over forty minutes and still couldn't score to save their lives - we had our golden chance handed to us on a gleaming plate and couldn't take advantage of it. Simple as that. It pays to look at things a bit objectively.
Your dislike for England is not an "international war crime". Nor is Your apparent dislike for European footabll. It just appears tocloud Your judgement - next thing, You'll be telling us that back in the early 1990sAlexi Lalas possessed more defensive nous than Paolo Maldini and Franco Baresi combined...
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Maybe You failed to notice but, despite England's play being well below par, the United States only "scored" through Robert Green's clanger. What if Green hadn't made that basic mistake and (God forfend
Anyway, the match itself was a poxy affair. Due to the presence on the wings of the blatantly ineffective blacks Lennon and Wright-Phillips, England were unable to capitalise on several golden opportunities to providecrosseswhich could have led to definite shotson goalwhichmay very well have won the match.This is one problem which must be remedied -these two black clowns are nowhere near the standard required at this level. But that's what happens when blacks are pushedinto the national team at all costs...
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<div>Am I upset that Australia lost to the United States in a warm-up match? Grow up, mate. This is a discussion board, not a kindergarten.</div>
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<div>Have I heard of Pato? Ooooh, aren't You the witty one? If only I possessed Your obviously encyclopedic knowledge of players... </div>
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<div>Altidore scored against Spain - well, so did South Africa's Katlego Mphela. In fact, Mphela scored twice. Does that mean the South African black is twice as impressive as Your American black? After all, he did score more goals against Spain than Altidore!</div>
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<div>Correct me if I'm wrong, but You seem to believe that Landon Donovan is one of the world's leading players - if only Donovan was given a chance by those ignorant fools at Bayern Munich (who, like me, obviously know nothing about football) I'm sure that the German club would have won this year's edition of the Champions League...</div>
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<div>Pardon my backward European naivety, but I didn't realise that beating Spain made the United States a footballing superpower. What if, just for argument's sake, Spain's "streak" had been broken by Slovakia or Wales - would that lift those two nations to equally stratospheric heights? Would You be bringing that up as evidence of footballing greatness? Sure You would...</div>
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<div>Yes, Australia did cop an atrocious decision against Italy in the previous World Cup finals tournament. But the decision to reduce Italy to ten men was also erroneous. Australia played with a one man advantage for over forty minutes and still couldn't score to save their lives - we had our golden chance handed to us on a gleaming plate and couldn't take advantage of it. Simple as that. It pays to look at things a bit objectively. </div>
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<div>Your dislike for England is not an "international war crime". Nor is Your apparent dislike for European footabll. It just appears to cloud Your judgement - next thing, You'll be telling us that back in the early 1990s Alexi Lalas possessed more defensive nous than Paolo Maldini and Franco Baresi combined...</div>
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<div>Maybe You failed to notice but, despite England's play being well below par, the United States only "scored" through Robert Green's clanger. What if Green hadn't made that basic mistake and (God forfend) the score had remained at 1-0 to England? Your chip-on-the-shoulder talk of "millionaire pretty boys" says it all... By the way, before You accuse me of more Eurosnobbery, I believe that the United States played quite well and showed commendable determination.</div>
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<div>Anyway, the match itself was a poxy affair. Due to the presence on the wings of the blatantly ineffective blacks Lennon and Wright-Phillips, England were unable to capitalise on several golden opportunities to provide crosses which could have led to definite shots on goal which may very well have won the match. This is one problem which must be remedied - these two black clowns are nowhere near the standard required at this level. But that's what happens when blacks are pushed into the national team at all costs...</div>
I still don't know why he picked Phillips over Johnson. I'd also rather have Bentley.
Jwhite96 there are 3rd division teams that tie premiership teams in the FA Cup. Notts County, 4th division team, beat Wigan a mostly black prem team in the FA Cup. Havant and Waterloovile, a conference team, scored 2 goals at Liverpool. Tottenham tied Leeds a 3rd division team.
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All your insults will not change the fact the US tied the supposed 3rd best team in the world in the most important soccer competition held anywhere in the world. I will not waste my time arguing. The US got the result they needed. You could rationalize how terrible the USA team is , how lucky they were etc. It doesn't change the result. The US will make the second round and possibly win the group. You are an angry English fan who will not accept England is never going to win a world cup again or even make a semifinal.
England's half black team were exposed as always when they play in any major competition as overrated.The USA's white stars played excellent games when it counted most . Our white stars Steven Cherundolo, Donovan, Dempsey, Jay DeMerit , Michael Bradley all outplayed or at least equaled England's supposed world class stars.Tim Howard (half Hungarian ancestry) showed why he is one of the world's top goal keepers.Edited by: jwhite96
All your insults will not change the fact the US tied the supposed 3rd best team in the world in the most important soccer competition held anywhere in the world. I will not waste my time arguing. The US got the result they needed. You could rationalize how terrible the USA team is , how lucky they were etc. It doesn't change the result. The US will make the second round and possibly win the group. You are an angry English fan who will not accept England is never going to win a world cup again or even make a semifinal.
England's half black team were exposed as always when they play in any major competition as overrated.The USA's white stars played excellent games when it counted most . Our white stars Steven Cherundolo, Donovan, Dempsey, Jay DeMerit , Michael Bradley all outplayed or at least equaled England's supposed world class stars.Tim Howard (half Hungarian ancestry) showed why he is one of the world's top goal keepers.Edited by: jwhite96
I want to address the straw man if Wales or Slovakia ended Spain's streak.... They didn't but the US did. The US also were the only team not to lose to the reigning World Cup Champion Italy at the 2006 WC. They also destroyed the African Federation champion Egypt (who easily beat Italy)before beating Spain, at last year's confederation cup. The US also has a 10 year winning streak when playing Mexico who are definitely a top 15 team in matches not played in the zoo aka Azteca which is located at an altitude of 6000 feet in the most polluted city in the world The USA led by their white stars have obtained increasingly impressive results . The most recent was yesterday's. One English news site the Guardian looked at the game objectively. They pointed out , the US wasn't just given a gift from God. They pointed out how the US dominated possession after the terrible mistake by Ricardo Clark which was almost as bad as Green's. If England was so much better they would have been able to stop as the Guardian called them "numerous pot shots" by the US . The better team would have not given Clint Dempsey the chance to hit shot that Green didn't save.Edited by: jwhite96
"One English news site the Guardian looked at the game objectively. They pointed out , the US wasn't just given a gift from God. They pointed out how the US dominated possession after the terrible mistake by Ricardo Clark which was almost as bad as Green's"
It was a gift. But that's part of the game. England had 58% to 42% possession. The goal came in the 4th minute, so the US couldn't have dominated possession after. Howard was the Man of the Match.Why? Because England a lot of pressure on him and he saved the shots. That means England's offense was dominating the game. England had 9 shots on target to the US's 5. Total shots 16 to 12 England. England had 8 corners to the US's 4. Edited by: Europe
It was a gift. But that's part of the game. England had 58% to 42% possession. The goal came in the 4th minute, so the US couldn't have dominated possession after. Howard was the Man of the Match.Why? Because England a lot of pressure on him and he saved the shots. That means England's offense was dominating the game. England had 9 shots on target to the US's 5. Total shots 16 to 12 England. England had 8 corners to the US's 4. Edited by: Europe
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jwhite96 said:
My insults? I suggest that You re-read my posts - have I actuallyclaimed that the United States are a rubbish team? Damn, mate, You were the one who, apropos of nothing, began to bag the England team in particular and European football in general, banging on about conspiracies against American players at both club and international level, which have somehow robbed the United Statesof their deserved glory.Unbelievable...
I was observing Your posts and having a nice chuckle, with no intention of entering the "argument", until You stuck in that gem about there being absolutely no way that the United States was not getting out of the group unless the game officials, at FIFA's instigation, aided the opposition by, for example,dishing out red cards to the Americans. Funnily enough, I foundthat statement highly insulting...
Just to make things nice and clear for You: all I pointed out was that the United States, contrary to Your opinion, is not a top-draw side, has not been systematically ripped off by FIFA, that Landon Donovan is not up there with the best players on the planet, and that American players in Europe are not the victims of nefarious plots hatched by shadowy "Eurosnobs" which prevent them fromassuming their rightful leading roles at Bayern Munich, et cetera. I have not claimed that the United States are a crap side - they are simply not as good as You believe them to be.
Yes, I am an England fan, as I have deep connections with that country. Am I angry? I'll tell You what I've been angry about for the lastfifteen or soyears - I'm angry at the anti-White direction of football in Europe. The fact that the likes of You harbour some sort ofinferiority complexvis-a-vis the "limeys" (or whatever pejorative is in fashion in "Noo Yaaaw-ahk", home of the mighty Red Bulls) and states that England shall never win another World Cup or even make a semifinal means nothing.
jwhite96 said:
You'd fit in well, then, with Your overweeningprideconcerning the United States' stellar abilities and Your constant mental Viagra sourced from that victory against Spain. Europe has already pointed out England's finals record over theprevious twenty years - mate, Youcouldn't even get something as basic asthedate of England's last semifinals appearance correct. Once again, a Eurosnob like myself can only vainly dream of attaining Your level of football knowledge.
Youdelight in referring to England's half black team - well, what did I see in the United States lineup? But wait, Tim Howard is half-Hungarian -wow, that makes himextra white, doesn't it?After all, he's a special sort of half-breed - he plays for the United States, which naturally makes him whiter than those inferior English half-breeds
JUST A NOTE TO ALL OTHER CASTE FOOTBALL MEMBERS: PLEASE FORGIVE THE OVERLY UNFRIENDLY TONE OF THIS POST, BUT jwhite96 HAS REALLY RILED ME WITH HIS COMMENTS ABOUT "EUROSNOBS", ENGLISH FOOTBALL PLAYERS, ANTI-US CONSPIRACIES,ETC.
I ACTUALLY VIEW THE UNITED STATES AS A DECENT SIDE AND AM IN NO WAY INSULTING THE UNITED STATES OR IT'S PEOPLE.
BEST OF LUCK TO YOUR TEAM.
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To the poster who said Crouch is rubbish - he is not. He is very skilful for a tall skinny beanpole and is a better player in my opinion than Heskey (who is a decent player but well passed his best) and certainly scores a lot more goals than Heskey.
Taking Ledley King was a huge mistake. He is physically unable to perform any more and even when he was fithe was not such a huge superstar to merit taking him to the world cup when injured.
Wright Phillips was awful. He is not good enough for England - full stop.
Capello definately favours black players. England have become a lot darker since he took over. Having said that Ashley Cole and Glen Johnson shopuld be playing. They are the best at their positions at the moment. I also like Lennon and think he deserves his place. Dawson needs to play along side Terry in defence. I agree with all the support for Andy Johnson- he should have made the squad and agree with all the support for Joe Cole. England need that spark he can give a team. England were bad the other night, but congratulations to the USA.
Taking Ledley King was a huge mistake. He is physically unable to perform any more and even when he was fithe was not such a huge superstar to merit taking him to the world cup when injured.
Wright Phillips was awful. He is not good enough for England - full stop.
Capello definately favours black players. England have become a lot darker since he took over. Having said that Ashley Cole and Glen Johnson shopuld be playing. They are the best at their positions at the moment. I also like Lennon and think he deserves his place. Dawson needs to play along side Terry in defence. I agree with all the support for Andy Johnson- he should have made the squad and agree with all the support for Joe Cole. England need that spark he can give a team. England were bad the other night, but congratulations to the USA.