They only got to the semi-final by beating a better Argentine squad in penalties. IIRC Klinsmann was also helped by his Argentine counter-part who put an ineffectual Cruz on for Crespo in the second half as a substitute leaving a young but already talented Messi sitting on the bench. He also didn't play Julio Saviola. Reminiscent of the next Argentina manager Diego Maradona not playing Milito against Germany in South Africa 2010.
USA Men's 22 Players Under New Coach Jurgen Klinsmann
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Rebajlo
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Matra2 said:
Klinsmann made a career of cheating and is an all-round prick who carefully cultivates a facade of smiling affability.
Remember his first English press conference after being signed by Spurs in 1994? He opened by jokingly asking the media where the nearest diving school was - and they lapped it all up. Oh, what a sterling, self-effacing fellow!
Germany has produced a profusion of arrogant players who, like Brazilians and Argentines, exude that annoying sense of "entitlement": Harald Schumacher, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Lothar Matthaus, Andreas Moller, Steffan Effenberg (one of the biggest White areseholes to play at top level), and ugly Neanderthal throwback Oliver Kahn instantly spring to mind...
What’s the point? Do you remember Paul Gascoigne? David Beckham? Linecker? or Inzaghi, Van Basten, Ronald Koeman? Especially the English shouldn’t complain about anyone being “arrogant”
Does not belong on that list. The rest could be more or less accurate
Even if I didn’t liked him either while he still an active player, in retrospective I now have to admit that wasn’t really all that bad. He certainly had more personality that most players today and he had had a great fighting spirit. Look at what he has done after Champions League final 2001, or after he was degraded by Klinsmann(!) before the World Cup 2006. I now have to admit that he wasn’t all that bad, and without any question his abilities as a goalkeeper were beyond all doubt.
Still mad because of the Falklands? ; )
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frederic38
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i was going to say the same, klinsmann ok you can say he was a disgrace ect but kahn or effenberg ect deserve more respect, germany needs more players like them
i agree with the germans who have complained about the identity change in their team: http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...on-Tournaments?p=261860&viewfull=1#post261860
as a european, the ones that always seemed arrogant in sports to me are the americans
i agree with the germans who have complained about the identity change in their team: http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...on-Tournaments?p=261860&viewfull=1#post261860
as a european, the ones that always seemed arrogant in sports to me are the americans
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Oh God no : (
I wouldn’t say that they are arrogant; many Americans tend to be a bit ignorant sometimes though. The first time I went to the United States I had to listen to a lot of stupid stuff from some people, like “Do you have electricity?†– Do you came here by bus? And the obligatory “You guys are still all Nazis, right?†I can’t really explain why that is, it is most likely due to the education system though. They also don’t really care about other sports (that are not established in the USA) like rugby, field hockey or handball, and of course “soccer†is for little girls and/or “faggotsâ€
frederic38
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what has he done?
he seemed like a decent player and i have never heard anything negative about him here in france
think about maurice greene and the other american sprinters, the way they act before and after a race
that's the only sport in which i have seen americans because they don't win much in soccer
and i never went to USA
It's true that Americans don't care about sports not played in America but most Europeans don't really care about American football, for example. They make fun of it because of all the stoppages.
I never even knew about handball until recently. If you don't play it as a kid and it is not covered in the media, you are not going to know about it.
I don't know how someone would think you can take a bus from Germany.Europe is known for having good mass transit compared to the US, so that is why they might have said that. Most cities in the US have little to no mass transit and only the low income people take it when it's even available. There are some exceptions like NY, but it's generally true.
There was an American golfer a few years ago that said Europe is about 10 years behind America. That's a bit arrogant. Of course, Americans would always remark about the bathrooms down the hall in many hotels in Europe. That's not the case now.
Arend - Rebajlo is not English! I think he's an Australian of mixed Polish and English background.
BTW in sports Australia and England tend to be rivals, with some of the fans on each side quite bitter towards the other.
I was also wondering about his inclusion of Karl-Heinz Rummenigge. Now I was just a kid when he was in his prime so I might be wrong about him but I thought he was a good guy.
Black Americans? I would agree with that. They are the worst braggarts on earth. Unfortunately, their behaviour has rubbed off on some white Americans who now imitate them. (The Jewish media encourages it). In general though I wouldn't say the average American athlete is arrogant - though if you follow tennis (McEnroe, Roddick) you could be forgiven for thinking otherwise.
Arend:
I was raised on three continents. I've lived my adult life on both sides of the Atlantic and I spend about two months a year travelling mostly in Europe. Believe me, EVERY nationality is ignorant in their own ways. Those who come from small countries ALWAYS think their big neighbours are stupid because the smaller countries tend to know more about big countries than vice versa. I've heard what Dutch and Belgian people say about German tourists and it is similar to what you just said about Americans.
Germans, I'm afraid, tend to rub non-Germans the wrong way as forms of behaviour that are not deemed rude in Germany can offend others - just as Germans don't like it when foreigners like me cross the road even when the walk sign hasn't come on yet! (Why wait when there's no traffic coming?) For instance, Germans almost always state their opinions bluntly - I think it is a linguistic issue - and with great confidence even when they are new to a situation. This is considered arrogant and rude in the Anglo-Saxon world (except some parts of America that just happen to have a lot of people of German descent). This is a characteristic that is not unique to Germans, of course, however a distinctly German characteristic is to combine it with a refusal to change their minds once made up. (Think of Hitler refusing to bomb the evacuating British at Dunkirk because he'd already made up his mind - in the 1920s! - that the British would become friends of Germany or the recent Berlin airport mess due to a refusal to reconsider initial plans). Klinsmann comes across as someone who KNOWS everything and refuses to allow new information (or even results on the pitch) to cloud his judgement.
BTW in sports Australia and England tend to be rivals, with some of the fans on each side quite bitter towards the other.
I was also wondering about his inclusion of Karl-Heinz Rummenigge. Now I was just a kid when he was in his prime so I might be wrong about him but I thought he was a good guy.
Black Americans? I would agree with that. They are the worst braggarts on earth. Unfortunately, their behaviour has rubbed off on some white Americans who now imitate them. (The Jewish media encourages it). In general though I wouldn't say the average American athlete is arrogant - though if you follow tennis (McEnroe, Roddick) you could be forgiven for thinking otherwise.
Arend:
I was raised on three continents. I've lived my adult life on both sides of the Atlantic and I spend about two months a year travelling mostly in Europe. Believe me, EVERY nationality is ignorant in their own ways. Those who come from small countries ALWAYS think their big neighbours are stupid because the smaller countries tend to know more about big countries than vice versa. I've heard what Dutch and Belgian people say about German tourists and it is similar to what you just said about Americans.
Germans, I'm afraid, tend to rub non-Germans the wrong way as forms of behaviour that are not deemed rude in Germany can offend others - just as Germans don't like it when foreigners like me cross the road even when the walk sign hasn't come on yet! (Why wait when there's no traffic coming?) For instance, Germans almost always state their opinions bluntly - I think it is a linguistic issue - and with great confidence even when they are new to a situation. This is considered arrogant and rude in the Anglo-Saxon world (except some parts of America that just happen to have a lot of people of German descent). This is a characteristic that is not unique to Germans, of course, however a distinctly German characteristic is to combine it with a refusal to change their minds once made up. (Think of Hitler refusing to bomb the evacuating British at Dunkirk because he'd already made up his mind - in the 1920s! - that the British would become friends of Germany or the recent Berlin airport mess due to a refusal to reconsider initial plans). Klinsmann comes across as someone who KNOWS everything and refuses to allow new information (or even results on the pitch) to cloud his judgement.
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They don't care about other sports because being Anglo-Saxons they invented their own. Most sports in their modern form are Anglo-Saxon inventions (with some French involvement). When the US was settled the sports revolution had not occurred yet in Britain so they just came up with their own sports based on old British pastimes. British sports developed when the British Empire influenced most of the world. At the time these British sports were new to most of the world which, for some reason, wouldn't invent their own. By the time modern communications allowed Americans to see foreign sports it was too late as they'd already developed their own sporting culture. You could just as easily say Germans don't care about other sports. Why won't they play rugby like Britain, France, and even Italy do? Cricket?
BTW New Zealanders and Australians also call soccer a sissy sport. (At least they did in the 1980s. Maybe things have changed since then). A lot of British people (particularly those who like rugby) also think soccer is a girls sport.
I know that he is from Australia.
Sure, but that isn’t really the topic here.
Spreekt u Nederlands? I don’t really believe that. I have lived in the Netherlands and spent many summers with my relatives there, but I have never actually witnessed something like that. For sure there is still some hostility between Germans and Dutchmen, but not like that. I don’t think any German would be surprised to see that they have actually electricity in the Netherlands or vice versa.
Why are we talking about Hitler now!?
Some people play it here, it just not that popular like other sports. The impression that I got was just that many Americans don’t even want to give it a try, which is ok for me, but then should also keep your mouth shut about it.
I did not mean the Dutch and Belgians are hostile to Germans just that they think German tourists are often ignorant.
Can we expect Germans to keep their mouths shut about things they know nothing about? Could we at least expect Germans not to run down other countries, their cars, their beer, their racism, within five minutes of meeting them? Based on my experience the answer is no. Germans are just not very diplomatic. That's why they come across as arrogant.
Can we expect Germans to keep their mouths shut about things they know nothing about? Could we at least expect Germans not to run down other countries, their cars, their beer, their racism, within five minutes of meeting them? Based on my experience the answer is no. Germans are just not very diplomatic. That's why they come across as arrogant.
I can’t really judge anything you say, because I don’t know what made you feel this way, or with what kind of Germans you made your experiences with (There are huge mentality differences between regions). And speaking of “running down other countriesâ€, “Anglo-Saxons†often look down on Germany and the Low countries and are usually not very friendly towards us for no actual reason whatsoever.
I've seen no mentality difference between Germans on the subject we are discussing. Whether northern Protestants or Austrian Catholics they think they know everything the moment they walk in the room. When my father worked in Germany (Dusseldorf) in the 1970s Germans lectured him on the need for the "English to get out of Ireland". That this was a sensitive issue with people from Northern Ireland apparently never entered the heads of the locals. Even the most fanatical Irish nationalist shows some tact on the matter. In my professional life I've lost count of the number of Germans who have smugly lectured Americans about their "racism" and their cruelty for not having a national health care system. I guess it is just some great accident that EVERY single nationality bordering Germany notices this sanctimonius "know it all" characteristic.
I don’t think that most Irish Nationalist would actually agree with you here. And honestly, the English in N.Ireland are not really in a position to complain about anything.
We run around in circles, don’t you think? If this is the way you feel about this topic, I don’t see any way or reason why or how I could change your mind. If Anglos really think that we are that terrible and arrogant, then so be it. I could also start about how unfriendly, rude, snooty and self-righteous Anglos are, but what’s the point? I know that these traits don’t all apply to all of them and that they are generally nice people if you get to know them.
Rebajlo
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Matra2 said:
Arend -
What's the point? Well, I was merely commenting on the point raised by Matra2 and Europe regarding the arrogance of many German footballers. I wasn't attempting to stir anything up but continued the discussion by providing individual examples.
Arend, Matra2 -
Admittedly, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge displayed nowhere near the level of arrogance and bastardry of the other players I listed. I was also a kid during Rummenigge's playing days but, despite my young age, I was dangerously football-mad and paid plenty of attention to what was going on.
Rummenigge's inclusion was principally based on my memories of the lead up to and course of the 1982 World Cup. Prior to the tournament, the West Germans were practically openly dismissive of their first round opponents (Austria, Chile, Algeria), Rummenigge, as captain, certainly gave that impression. As things went, they lost the opening fixture against Algeria before participating in the infamous "Non-Aggression Pact of Gijon" match, when they engineered a mutually beneficial result with Austria, ensuring that both nations qualified for the second round.
Oliver Kahn may have been a top-draw goalkeeper but he could never even remotely be labelled a classy guy, particularly after dumping his pregnant wife for a girl twelve years his junior. A repulsive specimen inside and out:
frederic38 said:
frederic -
Stefan Effenberg was a highly disruptive figure who caused problems wherever he went. During the first round match against South Korea at the 1994 World Cup, that poxy low-life showed the German fans the "middle finger" upon being substituted:
Very nice indeed... Not to mention his affair with Thomas Strunz's wife, running down teammates, belittling the opposition, et cetera...
The point is that German footballers have no exclusive rights for being “arrogantâ€. The moment they started to earn big money they somehow almost all turned into small little arrogant brats, and not only the Germans. I found it a little bit odd and unfair to emphasize only on Germans.
[FONT=&]Oh well there were 21 other players on the pitch and all of them happily participated[/FONT]
True, but I am not really interested in celebrity gossip and the private lifes of sportsmen.
He is just a tool. People like him don’t really deserve attention at all. Too bad that they can actually procreate
MilanClass
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Jurgen Klinsmann started 6 blacks today against Honduras and not suprisingly, the "American" team lost 2-1. My favorite player Maurice Edu came on for the 2nd half and the U.S. gave up the winning goal almost immediately. 
Klinsmann started four of his freakish looking German mulattos. I've actually seen a few decent looking mulatto kids but these look like some weird science experiment.
Klinsmann started four of his freakish looking German mulattos. I've actually seen a few decent looking mulatto kids but these look like some weird science experiment.
Jurgen Klinsmann started 6 blacks today against Honduras and not suprisingly, the "American" team lost 2-1. My favorite player Maurice Edu came on for the 2nd half and the U.S. gave up the winning goal almost immediately.
Klinsmann started four of his freakish looking German mulattos. I've actually seen a few decent looking mulatto kids but these look like some weird science experiment.
The announcers were blaming Cameron for the 2nd goal. It looked like he stopped and didn't go for the ball. They were speculating that Howard might have called him off. Or he might have been scared of committing a foul.
The above pictures could be a preview of the US's future.
frederic38
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i was wondering if it was a friendly match, but it's in another round of qualifyers to the 2014 world cup:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_–_CONCACAF_Fourth_Round
6 blacks, that's a lot
as usual, klinsmann will field a whiter team when he feels that USA are in danger of not qualifying
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_–_CONCACAF_Fourth_Round
6 blacks, that's a lot
as usual, klinsmann will field a whiter team when he feels that USA are in danger of not qualifying
Freethinker
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I think it's worse than MilanClass stated. I counted 8 (7 if you want to be generous and consider Omar Gonzalez White) non-Whites in the starting XI.
Tim Howard
Fabian Johnson
Omar Gonzalez*
Timothy Chandler
Jermaine Jones
Danny Williams
Eddie Johnson
Jozy Altidore
Despite this dark lineup, it was 2 Whites who played best in a game that Honduras thoroughly dominated. Clint Dempsey, who scored (seriously does anyone else ever score for this team anymore) and Michael Bradley. Even the White-loathing ESPN graded Dempsey and Bradley a 6 (out of 10) while all the various negros and mutts landed in the 3 to 5 range.
They had this to say about Timothy "Quasimodo" Chandler:
D Timothy Chandler, 3 – Looked like he was running in quicksand the entire afternoon, and was easily the weakest link in the back. Was beaten time and again by a succession of Honduran attackers, and didn’t offer up much going forward. Steve Cherundolo, your spot in the lineup is safe.
Well thank goodness they can see the obvious.
Despite what was obvious to even the ESPN writers, the DWFs still see things differently. Out of the 6 or 7 guys who deserve blame, they take the White guy to task, Sasha Kljestan. Let's not even mention he was playing out of position at winger when he's a center mid or that he came on as a 59th minute sub, no let's just pile on him.
"I could give a RATS A$$ how good Sacha Kljestan has been for his club team HE IS TERRIBLE!!! And should not be caught dead wearing a U.S. Men's National Team jersey unless he buys it at Dick's Sporting Goods like the rest of us!"
This was one of the top "liked" comments.
:frusty::frusty::frusty: The USMNT has become France under this embarrassment of a head coach.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/soccerusa/id/1277?cc=5901
Tim Howard
Fabian Johnson
Omar Gonzalez*
Timothy Chandler
Jermaine Jones
Danny Williams
Eddie Johnson
Jozy Altidore
Despite this dark lineup, it was 2 Whites who played best in a game that Honduras thoroughly dominated. Clint Dempsey, who scored (seriously does anyone else ever score for this team anymore) and Michael Bradley. Even the White-loathing ESPN graded Dempsey and Bradley a 6 (out of 10) while all the various negros and mutts landed in the 3 to 5 range.
They had this to say about Timothy "Quasimodo" Chandler:
D Timothy Chandler, 3 – Looked like he was running in quicksand the entire afternoon, and was easily the weakest link in the back. Was beaten time and again by a succession of Honduran attackers, and didn’t offer up much going forward. Steve Cherundolo, your spot in the lineup is safe.
Well thank goodness they can see the obvious.
Despite what was obvious to even the ESPN writers, the DWFs still see things differently. Out of the 6 or 7 guys who deserve blame, they take the White guy to task, Sasha Kljestan. Let's not even mention he was playing out of position at winger when he's a center mid or that he came on as a 59th minute sub, no let's just pile on him.
"I could give a RATS A$$ how good Sacha Kljestan has been for his club team HE IS TERRIBLE!!! And should not be caught dead wearing a U.S. Men's National Team jersey unless he buys it at Dick's Sporting Goods like the rest of us!"
This was one of the top "liked" comments.
:frusty::frusty::frusty: The USMNT has become France under this embarrassment of a head coach.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/soccerusa/id/1277?cc=5901
Phall
Master
That's a new record low for the US, topping the 7 non-whites Kilnsmann started in a friendly against Russia last year.
The choices for this squad are so absurd that they would baffle a third-party quality inspection. Fabian Johnson, Tim Chandler, and Danny Williams were each promoted out of nowhere. Yet, their international pedigrees somehow rate above Tim Ream, whose phone doesn't even ring before camps. Eddie Johnson is a perennial washout that seems to win eternal starts because of "speed". Meanwhile, white Americans like Pontius, Wondolowski, and Cooper can score dozens of goals without a sniff. In contrast, if Freddy Adu slide-tackles a few balls into the back of an empty net some month, he instantly regains his status as a hot commodity.
Little left to root for on the USA squad, emblematic of the rest of this country's offerings. They have wildly imported players from all around the world in some libertarian, cosmopolitan effort to field the "best possible team", and still lose to a miniscule nation of swarthy ethnocentrics.
So much time and money has been poured into player development and training over the past thirty years. The result? A failed cultural anthropology experiment and, mind-blowingly, a much greater parity with the fractional island nations.
Freethinker
Hall of Famer
To clarify my comment, I meant the France of the last decade. You are right that the current French lineup puts the US one to shame. I also hope that this abomination keeps losing til Klinsmann and that Indian rat are replaced from their positions of influence.
Freethinker
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Excellent post Phall. Truer words are rarely written. :beer: