UEFA U21 Championship

[Irn Bru]

some quotes from important people in french soccer, who work behind the scenes:

first laurent guyot, who is in charge of nantes' youth development (which is suposed to be one of the best in french history, now they are in 2nd division):

"i am sorry about this but the evolution is obvious: we now take athletes and try to turn them into soccer players"
"in the youth squads, in each age category, there are very few players who were born in the last trimester of the year
it means that if you grow up a few months later than the others you are eliminated and have fewer chances to turn pro
we see this happening more and more"
"we french think that skills don't matter, and that with the tallest players we will win"


and fabrice briand, who also works for fc nantes:
"and since blacks reach puberty earlier than whites, they currently make up for 80% of the youth categories in france" (80% of all the clubs' youth categories in france, not only the french national team)

copy and paste from the french soccer thread, it probably also applies to england
whites probably mature later and thanks to their skills they prove to be better than the blacks who are only there because they reached puberty earlier

Thanks, that actually makes perfect sense and probably accounts for how Nigeria and Cameroon won the gold medal in the Olympics, but couldn't come close to matching that performance at the world cup.

It also likely helps explain why blacks are so overrepresented in the recruiting rankings in football compared with the NFL.

 

[frederic38]

Thanks, that actually makes perfect sense and probably accounts for how Nigeria and Cameroon won the gold medal in the Olympics, but couldn't come close to matching that performance at the world cup.

It also likely helps explain why blacks are so overrepresented in the recruiting rankings in football compared with the NFL.

if the player is born in africa it can be even worse because they both mature earlier and they have fake birth certificates


here's a player from a U14 youth team born in congo:

on this picture he is suposed to be less than 14 years old

he currently is at marseille in the french league

imagine yourself when you were 14 years old, trying to compete against him to turn pro

 

[Matra2]

It's not even half time: England 0 Norway 2

 

[Jack Lambert]

It's not even half time: England 0 Norway 2

England started only 4-5 whites today I believe, that's just as bad as France!

 

[frederic38]

did anybody saw england's match? if yes did zaha play? and how did he play?

England started only 4-5 whites today I believe, that's just as bad as France!

divide the number of whites by 2 and you'll have the usual number of white starters in the french U21 team :happy: and french youth teams in general

 

[MilanClass]

Oh boy.

Spain and Germany were tied 0-0 through 86 minutes. German backline was holding strong. Then in the 82nd minute, Germany brings on Antonio Rudiger , a Sierra Lione defender (who doesn't look under 21 at all). Four minutes after coming on, Rudiger gets turned inside out by the Spanish winger and gives up the game winning goal. :doh:


Germany was all white German players up to that point.

The "Under 21" year old Rudiger (how does this guy have a German last name??)

 

[Jack Lambert]

Oh boy.

Spain and Germany were tied 0-0 through 86 minutes. German backline was holding strong. Then in the 82nd minute, Germany brings on Antonio Rudiger , a Sierra Lione defender (who doesn't look under 21 at all). Four minutes after coming on, Rudiger gets turned inside out by the Spanish winger and gives up the game winning goal. :doh:


Germany was all white German players up to that point.

The "Under 21" year old Rudiger (how does this guy have a German last name??)

I was just about to post this. Lol, it was almost on que! As you said, the all-white and all-German team wasn't doing too bad up until that point. (Even if they needed more offense.) But Rudiger comes in and was beaten like a drum. Milan, you'll like this fact: I think he's only supposed to be 20! The fact that he is probably older than the age limit required, makes it even better that the Spanish winger beat him so badly. I guess... it's time to cheer for Italy with the all-white German team out(until this guy came in at least.) I'd prefer not to see Spain win, especially with their two Brazilians. Why the hell does Spain need these guys, they are 2 Time Euro and 1 time World Cup Champions, they don't need Brazilians.

 

[frederic38]

the goal:

http://videa.hu/videok/sport/u21-spain-vs-germany-10-y4lO5Xqq4Bu2TDrF?start=0.792

what an humiliation :yo:

the guy was officially born in germany but it's a very common thing to come to europe with the baby already born and then pretend that he was born in europe, months or years later, so this way the whole family can't be kicked out of the country even if they are illegal inmigrants, and the kid will be much older than he pretends to be

 

[Europe]

did anybody saw england's match? if yes did zaha play? and how did he play?



divide the number of whites by 2 and you'll have the usual number of white starters in the french U21 team :happy: and french youth teams in general

He didn't do too much from what I could tell.

England dominated possession and corners, but that didn't seem to help.Norway had 3 shots on goal and scored all 3.


England did have a goal taken away for off sides that easily could have been not called.

Norway had at least 2 blacks and an Asian.

 

[Matra2]

It was Rudiger's first match at this level. Will the German selectors and coaching staff learn from this?

I'm curious, just as there are tests that can positively determine paternity surely there are tests that can also prove age, no?

 

[Europe]

It was Rudiger's first match at this level. Will the German selectors and coaching staff learn from this?

I'm curious, just as there are tests that can positively determine paternity surely there are tests that can also prove age, no?

They are using MRI's now, but they are only accurate up to 17.

 

[frederic38]

It was Rudiger's first match at this level. Will the German selectors and coaching staff learn from this?

I'm curious, just as there are tests that can positively determine paternity surely there are tests that can also prove age, no?

a few years ago in france somebody asked to have DNA testing to prove the family ties in african pretended families
because if you are accepted in france, your whole family is, so you pretend to have many brothers who are not really your brothers so they can get in france too
i have read for example that alex song had 27 brothers

so it's a pretty simple test
but there was a huge scandal in france because of this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/14/france.international
and as far as i know there are still no DNA tests

 

[frederic38]

so it will be a final with only 2 non-europeans on both rosters :thumb:
italy vs spain
it's very good for a youth tournament

 

[Matra2]

I caught the last 20 minutes or so of the Netherlands v Italy semi-final. A black "Dutch" player got away with elbowing an Italian defender in the stomach.

 

[frederic38]

isco has been the tournament's top scorer

[video=youtube_share;PG5wWJFAqts]http://youtu.be/PG5wWJFAqts[/video]

the club that will sign him will make a very good deal

 

[frederic38]

isco has been the tournament's top scorer

[video=youtube_share;PG5wWJFAqts]http://youtu.be/PG5wWJFAqts[/video]

the club that will sign him will make a very good deal

little mistake, the (white) spanish morata has been the top scorer, isco was named best player of the tournament

 

[Europe]

little mistake, the (white) spanish morata has been the top scorer, isco was named best player of the tournament

Too bad Spain has Thiago, the Brazilian born in Italy to a Brazilian footballer, playing for them, but yet he is playing for Spain.

This is going to get worse with all the Brazilians now playing in Europe. The Brazilian disease spreads.

 

[Arend]

The U-20 world cup in Turkey starts today, and I took a closer look at some of the teams. Here is what I found out:

Australia: 16 Whites, 1 Black, 1 Asian, 3 of unknown Heritage

New Zealand: 16 Whites, 3 Asians, 2 unknown

USA: 5 Whites, 3 Blacks, 12 Mestizos, 1 unknown (Turk?)

Uruguay: 9 Whites, 9 Mestizos, 1 Black, 2 unknown

Spain: 19 Whites, 1 Black, 1 Jewish

Portugal: 3 Whites, 9 Blacks, 1 Mestizo, 7 unknown

England: 17 Whites, 3 Blacks, 1 unknown

France: 7 Whites, 1 Asian, 13 Blacks

Croatia and Greece seem to have all Croatian/ all Greek teams

 

[Matra2]

The U-20 world cup in Turkey starts today, and I took a closer look at some of the teams. Here is what I found out:

Australia: 16 Whites, 1 Black, 1 Asian, 3 of unknown Heritage

New Zealand: 16 Whites, 3 Asians, 2 unknown

USA: 5 Whites, 3 Blacks, 12 Mestizos, 1 unknown (Turk?)

Uruguay: 9 Whites, 9 Mestizos, 1 Black, 2 unknown

Spain: 19 Whites, 1 Black, 1 Jewish

Portugal: 3 Whites, 9 Blacks, 1 Mestizo, 7 unknown

England: 17 Whites, 3 Blacks, 1 unknown

France: 7 Whites, 1 Asian, 13 Blacks

Croatia and Greece seem to have all Croatian/ all Greek teams

The ones that stand out:

USA is majority mestizo. Demographics is destiny.

England is 80% white (Did all the "top" black players participate in the recent UEFA U21 thus leaving the U20s with leftovers?)

France is 62% black :icon_rolleyes:

 

[Arend]

The ones that stand out:

USA is majority mestizo. Demographics is destiny.

England is 80% white (Did all the "top" black players participate in the recent UEFA U21 thus leaving the U20s with leftovers?)

France is 62% black :icon_rolleyes:

That was actually the picture the FIFA used on their page for the French team:

After seeing this I actually thought that it would be even worse. I actually didn’t expect that the USA would be majority Mestizos; I rather expected that Whites, Blacks and Mestizos would have a more or less equal share. But they really look like Mexicos B-Team. The English team was maybe the only positive surprise.

 

[frederic38]

this was the starting 11 for france:

the goalkeeper looks half black but actually he's philipino

 

[Jack Lambert]

The US starting 4(?) whites I believe as they got demolished by Spain, 4-1. I was wondering, did you count Luis Gil as a white player? He's white to me, and I count him as such. The US should start 5 whites next game, and only 1 black.

Nice to see from Team England! I can actually cheer for them in this competition now.

 

[Phall]

I don't think 'Luis Gil' counts as "White", I mean just look at his name.

So, apologies in advance when he leads "our" Mexicara team of sweethearts and dream-girls into the vaunted hallow halls of World Cup Pre-Qualification. Woo woo, me and Luis Gil, just a couple of peas in a pod.

 

[Jack Lambert]

Oh ok. Jimmy Chitwood counted him as white a couple of years back. Since "Gil" isn't Rodriguez, Gonzalez, etc., and Gil doesn't really have that "full mestizo" look to him, then I doubt many DWFs consider him as such. He has brown eyes, there are plenty of whites with brown eyes. As long as Jimmy considers him white, then I will too.

 

[scroat]

According to his wiki he has "partial mexican ancestry on his fathers side" so take that as you will. Most of the pictures I've seen he looks pretty non-white but some he could be passable. I wouldn't count him. Sometimes we get too generous in our definitions of white. A lot of people (myself included) counted Aaron Hernandez as white or "close-enough" and look how that will likely play out.