Oops! Germany did make a final in 2008 - they lost to Spain. The point still stands as it is still the worst period in German football since at least the 60s. In addition to which this is happening in a period - according to pundits who follow German football - when the Bundesliga has never been stronger.
UEFA EURO 2012
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I think genes do matter. But if they are obsessed with picking blacks .then they will pick their sons too. I think in baseball there is a grandfather, father and son that played--Hairstons.
How could we forget the Ferdinands?
But I think they do give the sons of famous players an extra look. Ince's son is on Blackpool.
Lescott has a brother than plays in the lower divisions.
There have been some brother combos like the Dimaggios, Nevilles and Charltons, Reuschels--major league pitchers.
Cruyff's son played at Manchester United.
From the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/sports/soccer/30iht-preview30.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
Obviously the writer did not see the finishing of "Super Mario" in the England match.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/sports/soccer/30iht-preview30.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
Obviously the writer did not see the finishing of "Super Mario" in the England match.
frederic38
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and what a final!
it was the first time in my life that i saw a team that was down 1-0 and didn't even try to score to get back
it was like losing 1-0 was a good result for them
usually you push as hard as you can, even the goal-keeper tries to score if there is a free kick or corner kick
but they did nothing
that's when i realised the huge change in the german mentality
from this moment i knew that they would never win a tournament again, unless they changed their mentality again
frederic38
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yes i was thinking about france and spain but there are also a lot in england
i was shocked when i realised that paul ince had a son who played also professionally
playing football professionally is the dream of millions of kids around the world
the best players do not have great genes (or whatever you call it) in general
look at garrincha, ronaldo (the brazilian), rivaldo, zidane (worst genetics possible, as most kabyles, unable to put on muscle, and ability to gain fat, will probably die of a cancer at a relatively young age)
even messi with his disease
here is zidane's son:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_4xaUi7cQkNo/S7MhENyS4GI/AAAAAAAAEec/N8XWICOK4vE/s1600/enzo+zidane.jpg
great genes?
they better look for a talented spanish player in the small clubs (because yes, zidane's son is spanish)
there is also steven gerrard, who has a cousin who plays as a professional
i think rooney has a brother that plays professionally too
i remember cruyiff's son, who played in spain, jordi cruyff
that's way too much i think
in italy there is abate who is the son of a professional player
buffon has a relative who was a great goalkeeper (lorenzo buffon)
but for the black players in europe, i could litterally go on for days
look at bruno alves for example: his father was a professional football player, and he has 2 brothers that play football professionally
pepe on the other hand is a mediocre brazilian player, but like most brazilian players he has no family in the "business"
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frederic38
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well, this way we will have something to monitor very closely next year
balotelli will fail, especially in champions league, for the reasons i gave in the balotelli thread (thight defenses)
he will fail like djibril cissé did in serie A
and i will be there to say it
frederic38
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but the european teams (champions league included) need to take defenses seriously
if you look at the central defenders that played the last champions league semi-finals:
-real madrid: pepe and sergio ramos: none of them is a central defender
-bayern munchen: badstuber and boateng: both can play as fullbacks or central defenders, and boateng played at different positions with his club and the national team (well, he shouldn't play to begin with)
-barcelona: they played with piqué (real defender) and mascherano who is a defensive middle fielder, not a central defender
-chelsea had a real defense, which, i believe, was the reason why they managed to win this year, while all the other teams overlooked the defense, which is the most important part of the team
in these euro champs there was some bad defenses: the spanish one especially with sergio ramos who is still not a central defender (but did great compared with piqué, who's not in his best shape right now)
pepe also plays for portugal as a central defender, while 2 years ago at the world cup he played as a defensive middle fielder
italy has played with a defensive middlefielder as a central defender too (de rossi)
germany had a bad defense with "polyvalent" players except matt hummels
and there are probably a lot more examples
let's not forget that a solid defense is the fundamental of football, and that it always was the strenght of european teams, while the south american teams, sometimes more skilled, had bad defenses because of cultural reasons except argentina which is the more european country
(if anyone is wondering why uruguay has an african playing style, like brazil, while they have white defenders, here is part of the reason: http://youtu.be/29iiFGs2nj8 )
if you look at the central defenders that played the last champions league semi-finals:
-real madrid: pepe and sergio ramos: none of them is a central defender
-bayern munchen: badstuber and boateng: both can play as fullbacks or central defenders, and boateng played at different positions with his club and the national team (well, he shouldn't play to begin with)
-barcelona: they played with piqué (real defender) and mascherano who is a defensive middle fielder, not a central defender
-chelsea had a real defense, which, i believe, was the reason why they managed to win this year, while all the other teams overlooked the defense, which is the most important part of the team
in these euro champs there was some bad defenses: the spanish one especially with sergio ramos who is still not a central defender (but did great compared with piqué, who's not in his best shape right now)
pepe also plays for portugal as a central defender, while 2 years ago at the world cup he played as a defensive middle fielder
italy has played with a defensive middlefielder as a central defender too (de rossi)
germany had a bad defense with "polyvalent" players except matt hummels
and there are probably a lot more examples
let's not forget that a solid defense is the fundamental of football, and that it always was the strenght of european teams, while the south american teams, sometimes more skilled, had bad defenses because of cultural reasons except argentina which is the more european country
(if anyone is wondering why uruguay has an african playing style, like brazil, while they have white defenders, here is part of the reason: http://youtu.be/29iiFGs2nj8 )
Zeus
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At this point I am sick and tired seeing this Negro everywhere as well, he was non existent in the whole tournament and he scores twice and he becomes "soccer's supastah" from the "chosen" media..............Sometimes I really wonder, don't they realize that people don't buy this anymore? What's positive with all this situation is that I see more and more Negroes in person and online waking up and realizing that the media over hype and overrate them way too much and they even hate that and find it racist in some ways. Negroes might not be as stupid as we really think after all! It's really incredible how MANY Negroes in various boxing sites nowadays, recognize the Klitschkos as all time great champs and call out the "chosen" media for extreme bias against the Ukrainian brothers!
Spain 2 - Italy 0 with Pique forcing "King Kong" (that's his nickname in Italy) not touching the ball!
Spain 2 - Italy 0 with Pique forcing "King Kong" (that's his nickname in Italy) not touching the ball!
Genes certainly matter, not just for sporting ability, indeed few things in life matter more than one's genetics. A significant proportion of all children of athletes become athletes themselves.
Having said that, in this day of ultra-competitiveness in sports you also need constant training from a young age without let up so the environment you are in will also matter. You can have the best natural skills in your school due to genetics but if you decide not to play much for a couple of years others, even those with less natural ability who stuck with it, may well overtake you. If your father was a professional footballer then you will have, in addition to good footballing genes, a mentor from an early age and disposable income that will allow you access to top class training to hone your skills. The parents of working class kids can't afford such luxuries.
Having said that, in this day of ultra-competitiveness in sports you also need constant training from a young age without let up so the environment you are in will also matter. You can have the best natural skills in your school due to genetics but if you decide not to play much for a couple of years others, even those with less natural ability who stuck with it, may well overtake you. If your father was a professional footballer then you will have, in addition to good footballing genes, a mentor from an early age and disposable income that will allow you access to top class training to hone your skills. The parents of working class kids can't afford such luxuries.
I think we should keep in mind that international football is different from that at the club level. The teams are just part time and thrown together for short knock-out tournaments involving few matches, many of them decided in penalties. As a result many poor teams end up winning these tournaments - something that is rare in club football, especially in proper leagues where all points throughout the season are added up (ie no knock-out).
I can sort of remember the Italian side in 1982 that only got through the group stage ahead of Cameroon due to a second or third tie-break. I think they only played one good match the whole tournament (against Brazil, and maybe against Poland) yet they won the whole thing. The West German team they played in the final were woeful. In 1986 the Argentines were a one man team - I don't think they could replicate that today. The West Germans who won in 1990 played well in the group stage and the second round match against the Netherlands but after that they were as poor as the German team today. Denmark shouldn't have been at Euro '92 and were horrendous in their first two matches but had a good short spell against an overrated French team and scored twice. They beat the Dutch in penalties before beating a German team that seemed to think they would win by showing up in the final. The Brazilians who won in 1994 were also lucky squeezing out one goal wins against such mighty powers as the USA and Sweden before winning a penalty shoot-out against an Italian team that lost to Ireland and required incredible luck and a last minute goal against Nigeria to force extra time. (Italy also scored late against Spain and, I think, Norway and didn't deserve to win any of them). These sorts of teams could never win a league championship. Just look at Chelsea and Liverpool winning the partly knock-out Champions League yet finishing nowhere in their own domestic series. So what we're seeing today - seemingly poor teams winning at the international level - is nothing new.
I can sort of remember the Italian side in 1982 that only got through the group stage ahead of Cameroon due to a second or third tie-break. I think they only played one good match the whole tournament (against Brazil, and maybe against Poland) yet they won the whole thing. The West German team they played in the final were woeful. In 1986 the Argentines were a one man team - I don't think they could replicate that today. The West Germans who won in 1990 played well in the group stage and the second round match against the Netherlands but after that they were as poor as the German team today. Denmark shouldn't have been at Euro '92 and were horrendous in their first two matches but had a good short spell against an overrated French team and scored twice. They beat the Dutch in penalties before beating a German team that seemed to think they would win by showing up in the final. The Brazilians who won in 1994 were also lucky squeezing out one goal wins against such mighty powers as the USA and Sweden before winning a penalty shoot-out against an Italian team that lost to Ireland and required incredible luck and a last minute goal against Nigeria to force extra time. (Italy also scored late against Spain and, I think, Norway and didn't deserve to win any of them). These sorts of teams could never win a league championship. Just look at Chelsea and Liverpool winning the partly knock-out Champions League yet finishing nowhere in their own domestic series. So what we're seeing today - seemingly poor teams winning at the international level - is nothing new.
frederic38
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another example of undeserved victory was france in 1998 (0-0 against paraguay in extra-time, 0-0 against italy then penalty shootout, and 2-1 against croatia, very difficult match)
to me the biggest difference between a league and a cup (except what you said about the smaller number of matches which makes surprises possible) is that in a league you must win every match almost, while in champions league for example, what matters is avoid the defeat
a team that wins a champions league is better i think because you can win a league losing to all the top teams and winning against small teams
in champions league you have to beat the big teams
a typical team that does better in cups is athletic bilbao
they are very hard to beat and can beat everybody on a good day, but in a league it's difficult for them to beat all the small teams
another thing is that nowadays champions league and domestical league are taking place at the same time, so a team often have to chose betwin playing champions league 100% or concentrate on the league
for example how was villareal supposed to focus on the champions league while they were dead last of their domestical league in the same time?
i think it should be domestical league first, then champions league once the domestical league is finished
to me the biggest difference between a league and a cup (except what you said about the smaller number of matches which makes surprises possible) is that in a league you must win every match almost, while in champions league for example, what matters is avoid the defeat
a team that wins a champions league is better i think because you can win a league losing to all the top teams and winning against small teams
in champions league you have to beat the big teams
a typical team that does better in cups is athletic bilbao
they are very hard to beat and can beat everybody on a good day, but in a league it's difficult for them to beat all the small teams
another thing is that nowadays champions league and domestical league are taking place at the same time, so a team often have to chose betwin playing champions league 100% or concentrate on the league
for example how was villareal supposed to focus on the champions league while they were dead last of their domestical league in the same time?
i think it should be domestical league first, then champions league once the domestical league is finished
Ah yes, I now remember that match. I watched that on British TV. It was on a Sunday afternoon and I remember thinking the French team didn't deserve to win.
Speaking of France I see Laurent Blanc will not be renewing his contract. Based on the internal bickering in the past two tournaments I'm not sure there will be many top coaches who would want the job. Maybe they should phone Fabio Capello! Who is the most likely replacement?
frederic38
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it will be a french i think, we almost never have foreign coaches
i see didier deschamps (who just left marseille less than 1 week ago) being the next coach
he's my favourite coach, did wonders with monaco in champions league (finalist when porto won it, last time a french club played a final, and the first time since 1993 i think) and did his best with the very black marseille team (he beat internazionale, the team i was rooting for)
he's more intelligent than laurent blanc
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frederic38
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in 1998 i was very young, it was the first tournament that i watched
i was rooting for france, but my father wasn't
it's typically french to criticize our own teams and athletes
i have never seen him support any french athlete or team, maybe the rugby team sometimes
he kept saying that france was extremely lucky
and he was right i believe, because in every match (paraguay, italy, croatia) it could have gone any way, and in the final match brazil looked surprisingly weak (now we know that something strange happened with ronaldo, he almost died i think)
then i stopped suporting france in the first qualification for euro 2000 match, just after the 1998 world cup
Deadlift
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Maybe I'm in the minority, but I have enjoyed watching Spain play in EURO 2012. Tomorrow, I will watch every second of the EURO Final. Go Spain!!
hehe, you are, Deadlift, you are! even Spaniards here are not happy with the style (although they love the results they got so far). Spain - France was one of the most boring games of soccer i've seen (granted, i watch next to nothing other than Euro or WC).
they sorely miss Villa - or Torres in form, and their defense may yet rue the lack of Puyol.
they sorely miss Villa - or Torres in form, and their defense may yet rue the lack of Puyol.
frederic38
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there is one thing i would be happy with, and that would be spain winning tonight :grin:
the spanish must be out of control right now? what they are about to do has never been done before ( winning euros-world cup-euros in a row)
as you said the main concern is their defense, with pirlo's passes piqué and sergio ramos will have a difficult night
like zeus said before, let's remember that out of the 48 men that will be at the stadium tonight (including the coaches) there are only 2 blacks
this website's purpose is to highlight things that the media won't say, so let's not be shy about telling it, another white-dominated competition, althought i didn't really enjoy it for various reasons
Rebajlo
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backrow -
I reckon we'll just have to respectfully disagree about the inclusion of the four "foreigners". You used the term stranieri. We aren't talking about Italian club football, mate :icon_wink:. People made a big deal about Perquis and Obraniak singing the national anthem but they simply learned it by rote and probably don't even know the meaning of most of the words, let alone their significance. One can sing an anthem (even while butchering the language), but one can't feel the anthem. To such mercenaries, the national anthem is just another song, which they were doubtlessly forced to learn in order for both them and the PZPN to get on the right side of the fans. The fans, of course, will swallow anything short of a c-o-c-k if they believe that it "improves" their team.
Perquis only indicated an interest in playing for Poland when he was 24 years old. In fact, you may recall that he looked like a prize fool upon being initially interviewed (naturally, in English) by Polish journalists, as he knew virtually nothing about Polish football and couldn't even name the national team manager. Some "Pole", eh? Oh, but now he's sooooooo proud to represent Poland. He's so ****ing patriotic that he even knows how to say "hello", "I proud play for Poland" and "we play match good" in the tongue of the nation whose colours he wears.
Obraniak's profoundly Polish soul manifested itself even earlier, if such a thing can be imagined - at the remarkably tender age of 23. Funnily enough, both of these "Poles" loved Poland so much that they played for the French U-21 side.
When it comes to Polanski and Boenisch, sure, they were both born in Poland, but so what? They represented Germany at U-21 level and - most tellingly - each player stated that he did not wish to play for Poland and would remain "German". Good for them, as their families had left Poland when they were kids, yet such actions and words should surely be enough to forever close the door on the "option" of playing for Poland. Correct? Now that they've turned their figurative cloaks, they insist on dismissing what was said "in the past" in order to concentrate on the "present". How cosily convenient...
As in the case of "our" Frenchmen, Polanski and Boenisch (typical Polish name, by the way...) only "declared" for Poland because they weren't being selected for their own nations. That Poland was co-hosting the European Championship and was therefore guaranteed a place in the tournament also helped these arseholes to "rediscover" their so-called Polish roots...
Do You really wish to see the Polish national team follow the same path as that of Ireland? Back in the days when Ireland was managed by Jackie Charlton, the English media often derisively referred to the FAI (Football Association of Ireland) as "Find Another Irishman" due to it's enthusiastic "recruitment" of players with "Irish roots". The likes of Mick McCarthy (born in Barnsley, Irish father), Ray Houghton (born in Glasgow, Irish father), John Aldridge (born in Liverpool, Irish great-grandmother), and Andy Townsend (born in Kent, Irish grandmother) all played for the Republic. Then there was the case of Tony Cascarino, who was born in Kent, but "qualified" via his Irish maternal grandfather. It was later revealed that his mother was adopted, so Cascarino actually had no connection to Ireland - yet he won 88 caps...
The majority of blindly loyal Irish fans didn't mind and predictably lapped it all up, but not all Irishmen were keen on such a policy. In my younger days (****, I'm sounding like some kind of old man...) i often moved in Irish circles and many hader-core nationalists abhorred the notion of "plastic Paddies" representing their country.
Six members of Ireland's Euro 2012 squad were foreign born: Sean St. Ledger, Simon Cox, and Paul Green all have a single Irish grandparent; Aiden McGeady and reserve goalkeeper Keiren Westwood both have two Irish grandparents; while Jonathan Walters' mother is Irish.
Of those six, Aiden McGeady stands out because unlike the rest (who would probably otherwise never have played international football for England, from where they all hail) by choosing Ireland he turned his back on a definite career with Scotland. McGeady had always expressed a wish to play for Ireland and spent plenty of time in the Republic during his formative years. After making his decision official at the age of 18 and winning his first cap, McGeady suffered a ton of predictably vitriolic abuse from Scottish fans.
McGeady provides a rare example of a foreign-born player of "mixed" parentage who feels such a sense of patriotism for a nation that he unambiguously declares his allegiance as a teenager and gives up an international future with his country of birth regardless of all the immense problems such a decision yields.
Mind You, I'm not saying that I agree with McGeady's choice. I am just observing that his commitment to Ireland is genuine - unlike the ersatz "patriotism" of Perquis, Obraniak, Polanski, and Boenisch.
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Yes, the so-called "Ekstraklasa" is a bit of a sick joke. I'll leave it at that... :censored:
Tyskie and Zywiec are the most widely available beers in Poland, and You'll find them at all of the tourist spots. Thankfully, I can even buy Zywiec from the Dan Murphy's bottle shop chain here in Australia. When I was back in England last year, i stuck my nose into a Polish shop in Ely and their shelves and fridges were literally loaded to bursting point with Harnas, so the "local" Poles must be swilling the stuff by the bathtub-full...
Rebajlo
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Briefly returning to the sorry subject of the "English" team, I can only confirm that the tournament was an all-round disaster: injuries ruling out three White players, two of whom in all likelihood would have started; a squad full of Negroes; overuse of the said Negroes; and generally low quality football displayed by almost all of the players, regardless of skin colour.
By now, everyone is no doubt aware that I view John Terry as gutter scum. But I'm the first person to admit that he was probably England's best player during this whole debacle. Mind You, I didn't see any of the England games in their entirety, relying instead on extended edited "highlights" coverage offered on free-to-air TV, which devoted about half an hour to each match and therefore obviously doesn't provide a wholly accurate picture of events. In fact, the only match which I saw live and uncut was the opener between Poland and Greece.
That Ashley Young and Danny Welbeck started all three matches says it all. These clowns are poster boys for all the ills plaguing English football. One must remember that both of the talentless black clods are Manchester United players, turning out for one of the biggest clubs in the world and the most successful English club of the past two decades! Yet they are little better than amateurs, and looked utterly helpless in this tournament.
When United signed Ashley Young, I couldn't believe it. "Sir" Alex Ferguson must truly be in his dotage to shell out a ****-load of dosh for this brainless cadaver, but to top things off Young is also an England international. The bloke's "performances" at Euro 2012 were about as embarrassing as it gets - he simply couldn't do anything right. But then again, what can one expect from a stupid slave boy who slaps off on webcam:
Young put on that suave, Mills and Boon cover-candidate display back when he was with Aston Villa. He probably figured that nobody would recognise him, being a Premier League footballer and all, particularly since he craftily signed into the "chat" site under an assumed name. Yes, there's nothing which can quite match the ferocious horsepower of the "Negro" mind...
One moment from England's quarterfinal against Italy stands out like dogs' balls and illustrates why the "modern" England can't cut it at the highest level. Balotelli was waiting for an obvious pass and Terry duly moved out quickly to spring what would be a simple, routine, fool-proof offside trap. Effortless stuff for the England defence, wouldn't You think? Yet as I watched on in exophthalmic disbelief, the rest of the England back line - consisting of the "super athletic" Negroes Joleon Lescott, Glen Johnson and Ashley Cole (who are collectively paid hundreds of thousands of pounds per week) - stayed stock still as if they were iron statues cemented five feet into the turf. Balotelli skipped through but failed to control the ball and the danger was over. And people ask me why I don't watch football anymore...
By now, everyone is no doubt aware that I view John Terry as gutter scum. But I'm the first person to admit that he was probably England's best player during this whole debacle. Mind You, I didn't see any of the England games in their entirety, relying instead on extended edited "highlights" coverage offered on free-to-air TV, which devoted about half an hour to each match and therefore obviously doesn't provide a wholly accurate picture of events. In fact, the only match which I saw live and uncut was the opener between Poland and Greece.
That Ashley Young and Danny Welbeck started all three matches says it all. These clowns are poster boys for all the ills plaguing English football. One must remember that both of the talentless black clods are Manchester United players, turning out for one of the biggest clubs in the world and the most successful English club of the past two decades! Yet they are little better than amateurs, and looked utterly helpless in this tournament.
When United signed Ashley Young, I couldn't believe it. "Sir" Alex Ferguson must truly be in his dotage to shell out a ****-load of dosh for this brainless cadaver, but to top things off Young is also an England international. The bloke's "performances" at Euro 2012 were about as embarrassing as it gets - he simply couldn't do anything right. But then again, what can one expect from a stupid slave boy who slaps off on webcam:
Young put on that suave, Mills and Boon cover-candidate display back when he was with Aston Villa. He probably figured that nobody would recognise him, being a Premier League footballer and all, particularly since he craftily signed into the "chat" site under an assumed name. Yes, there's nothing which can quite match the ferocious horsepower of the "Negro" mind...
One moment from England's quarterfinal against Italy stands out like dogs' balls and illustrates why the "modern" England can't cut it at the highest level. Balotelli was waiting for an obvious pass and Terry duly moved out quickly to spring what would be a simple, routine, fool-proof offside trap. Effortless stuff for the England defence, wouldn't You think? Yet as I watched on in exophthalmic disbelief, the rest of the England back line - consisting of the "super athletic" Negroes Joleon Lescott, Glen Johnson and Ashley Cole (who are collectively paid hundreds of thousands of pounds per week) - stayed stock still as if they were iron statues cemented five feet into the turf. Balotelli skipped through but failed to control the ball and the danger was over. And people ask me why I don't watch football anymore...
Rebajlo
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Zeus -
Do you think that England have always played five or six blacks? It always begins with just one...
For the "purpose" of the black striker and his wider effects see my article which is still lurking in the background of the site:
http://www.castefootball.us/archives/the-death-of-english-football-a-soccer-fans-lament/
Do you think that England have always played five or six blacks? It always begins with just one...
For the "purpose" of the black striker and his wider effects see my article which is still lurking in the background of the site:
http://www.castefootball.us/archives/the-death-of-english-football-a-soccer-fans-lament/
Rebajlo
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If everyone feels the need to inevitably dissect Germany's lack of tournament triumphs since Euro 1996, here is something to ponder. Germany's game - and, most significantly, their defence - traditionally placed great emphasis on a ruthless, "win at all costs" philosophy characterised by the often brutal kicking of opponents, cynical fouling, et cetera. This was a somewhat "South American" approach, having a lot in common with the roughouse "styles" of Brazil, Argentina, and Uruguay who routinely used such spoiling tactics to disrupt their opponents' rhythm and dictate the tempo of the game.
European sports journalists, especially those in England, rather euphemistically labelled the Germans' openly nasty play as "physical", "determined", and "efficient", while unhesitatingly decrying the abovementioned South Americans (with the notable exception of Brazil) as "dirty", "unsportsmanlike", and even "savage". The difference in the two sets of descriptors can possibly be attributed to the Germans' general lack of histrionic diving, rolling about on the ground clutching feigned injuries, spitting at opponents and other such charming hallmarks of South American football. Nevertheless, referees often permitted the Germans to get away with quite startling numbers of fouls, something which was undoubtedly a contributing factor to their successes up until the mid-1990s.
Nothing better illustrates the leeway officials seemed to allow the Germans than Toni Schumacher's infamous foul on Patrick Battiston in the semi-final of the 1982 World Cup:
[video=youtube;3byTNRoxujo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3byTNRoxujo[/video]
Note the cold indifference of that disgraceful bastard Schumacher, especially his dismissive wave of the hand at 0:42. What was his punishment? Schumacher didn't even receive a yellow card and Germany "won" on penalties after the match finished 3-3 following extra time. Schumacher should have been sent off, which in all probability would have meant that Germany wouldn't have reached the final.
With the advent of the all-seeing multitudes of cameras and therefore concomitantly stricter attitude towards fouling, the Germans' traditional "methods" required amendment and their results suffered. Following their Euro 1996 success, the Germans were knocked out of the 1998 World Cup at the quarter finals stage, losing 3-0 to Croatia after Christian Worns was red carded for a foul on Davor Suker. The Croatians took full advantage of the sending off to take the Germans apart.
The next tournament was Euro 2000, in which Germany failed miserably, finishing last in their group, losing to England and Portugal and drawing with Romania. They apparently bounced back at the 2002 World Cup by reaching the final, which they lost 2-0 to Brazil. But that so-called "success" was rather illusory, for the Germans benefitted from an astoundingly favourable draw.
In the first round, they drew with the Republic of Ireland and beat Saudi Arabia (8-0!) and Cameroon. The second round saw them beat Paraguay 1-0, with that slim scoreline repeated against the United States and South Korea in the next two rounds.
Then came Euro 2004 - which was another bust as the Germans failed to win a match, drawing with the Netherlands and Latvia, before losing to the Czech Republic.
Germany hosted the 2006 World Cup, finishing third but, yet again, this wasn't all that it seemed. In the first round match against a very ordinary Poland side which had been reduced to ten men after 75 minutes as a result of Radoslaw Sobolewski's second yellow card, Germany only scored in injury time to record a 1-0 win. The other nations in their group were Ecuador and Costa Rica...
In the second round, Sweden had a man sent off after 35 minutes.They got past Argentina in the quarterfinals on penalties before losing the semi-final to Italy 2-0 in extra time.
As we saw in this tournament, Germany's defence isn't up to snuff against a determined and disciplined opponent who can soak up the heavy German offensive pressure. The Germans still haven't quite come to grips with having to play a "cleaner" game in which the aggressive overuse of fouls to defend and win possession in midfield is no longer acceptable. I'll wager that Schumacher is less than happy...
European sports journalists, especially those in England, rather euphemistically labelled the Germans' openly nasty play as "physical", "determined", and "efficient", while unhesitatingly decrying the abovementioned South Americans (with the notable exception of Brazil) as "dirty", "unsportsmanlike", and even "savage". The difference in the two sets of descriptors can possibly be attributed to the Germans' general lack of histrionic diving, rolling about on the ground clutching feigned injuries, spitting at opponents and other such charming hallmarks of South American football. Nevertheless, referees often permitted the Germans to get away with quite startling numbers of fouls, something which was undoubtedly a contributing factor to their successes up until the mid-1990s.
Nothing better illustrates the leeway officials seemed to allow the Germans than Toni Schumacher's infamous foul on Patrick Battiston in the semi-final of the 1982 World Cup:
[video=youtube;3byTNRoxujo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3byTNRoxujo[/video]
Note the cold indifference of that disgraceful bastard Schumacher, especially his dismissive wave of the hand at 0:42. What was his punishment? Schumacher didn't even receive a yellow card and Germany "won" on penalties after the match finished 3-3 following extra time. Schumacher should have been sent off, which in all probability would have meant that Germany wouldn't have reached the final.
With the advent of the all-seeing multitudes of cameras and therefore concomitantly stricter attitude towards fouling, the Germans' traditional "methods" required amendment and their results suffered. Following their Euro 1996 success, the Germans were knocked out of the 1998 World Cup at the quarter finals stage, losing 3-0 to Croatia after Christian Worns was red carded for a foul on Davor Suker. The Croatians took full advantage of the sending off to take the Germans apart.
The next tournament was Euro 2000, in which Germany failed miserably, finishing last in their group, losing to England and Portugal and drawing with Romania. They apparently bounced back at the 2002 World Cup by reaching the final, which they lost 2-0 to Brazil. But that so-called "success" was rather illusory, for the Germans benefitted from an astoundingly favourable draw.
In the first round, they drew with the Republic of Ireland and beat Saudi Arabia (8-0!) and Cameroon. The second round saw them beat Paraguay 1-0, with that slim scoreline repeated against the United States and South Korea in the next two rounds.
Then came Euro 2004 - which was another bust as the Germans failed to win a match, drawing with the Netherlands and Latvia, before losing to the Czech Republic.
Germany hosted the 2006 World Cup, finishing third but, yet again, this wasn't all that it seemed. In the first round match against a very ordinary Poland side which had been reduced to ten men after 75 minutes as a result of Radoslaw Sobolewski's second yellow card, Germany only scored in injury time to record a 1-0 win. The other nations in their group were Ecuador and Costa Rica...
In the second round, Sweden had a man sent off after 35 minutes.They got past Argentina in the quarterfinals on penalties before losing the semi-final to Italy 2-0 in extra time.
As we saw in this tournament, Germany's defence isn't up to snuff against a determined and disciplined opponent who can soak up the heavy German offensive pressure. The Germans still haven't quite come to grips with having to play a "cleaner" game in which the aggressive overuse of fouls to defend and win possession in midfield is no longer acceptable. I'll wager that Schumacher is less than happy...
Rebajlo
Mentor
As for the final, I'm naturally hoping for a Spanish win - and for Balotelli to stay off the scoresheet...
good posts, overall, and i sign under the above as well.
(PS i know you'd get "stranieri", of course it's not Italian soccer we were talking about)
Zeus
Guru
Ok even though I had decided to never reply to anything you post again, since you have been a blatant racist with a whole white nation. Even if I was not Greek, I would still be offended from such blatant racism of a white man against a nation of whites, to me that's where the problem starts, when all the Anglo-Saxons in Europe and Americas (somewhere in the end of 19th and early of 20th century) were being BLATANT racist with fellow white men from other parts of the world (Italians, Greeks, Polish, even Irish in many cases and so on). The problem is not a Negro named Tiger Woods or Ballotelli, the problem started from people of our race AND IT CONTINUES from people of our race, but that's a very long conversation that I don't want to have in this thread!
But let's focus to football..............Once again, even though I believe that I have been as clear as it gets, Frederic seems to be the only one understanding what I am saying from what I see, I AM NOT HAPPY, I AM NOT SATISFIED, I AM NOT ROOTING for the Negro named Ballotelli and I repeat that EVERY EUROPEAN NATION IN EVERY SINGLE SPORT AND FIELD OF LIFE SHOULD BE 100% WHITE! After saying this once again, if the accusations continue I will consider the people who do it either stupid or having a personal problem with me.
Now having said that, knowing in what world I live in 2012 and how anti-white the media, the courts of justice (speaking from professional experience), the banking system, the harassment of history and all the educational programs around the globe and so on, I can't help it but be happy that in the final there will be 46 (out of the total 48) WHITE men on the field, while there could be a totally pathetic, sad, disgusting, emetic final between let's say England of the 8-9 Negroes against my second country France of the plenty Arabs and Negroes................What's so hard for one to understand in what I am saying here?
Ballotelli should not be in the final, should not have a white European surname, should not be in the roster of Italy, SHOULD NOT BE ADOPTED FROM A WHITE FAMILY IN THE FIRST PLACE, when there are millions of white orphan kids around the globe searching for a family............BUT for now, one Negro in the final of 22, where 21 rest players are white brothers, can't upset me, when there's a 75% BLACK dominated NBA or an 100% black dominated 100m final in the Olympics for nearly 20 years now............I am not saying there's no problem with Ballotelli, THERE IS, but it's not a major one, not for now at least.
Maybe that's my logic and probably my military experience has influenced such thinking, but this would be the strategy and generalship in every battle and every war in my opinion.........When you have 50,000 Turkish troops for example invading your south borders, you can't worry much for 2-3 hungry Albanians breaking the North ones......of course there's a problem in both sides, but which one we have to face first? That's my point and I was called a Negro-Lover for it.
Let's hope the NBA and the 100m final (two things that the chosen media use for Black supremacy demonstration all the time) will be half white in 10-15 years from now and let's not get paranoid if there's a Negro in the Italian team, a black champ in golf or tennis every new millennium and so on.
We should be the ones in this site showing the truth to the people, not following the media or let them upset us, tonight in the final there will be 21 white men and one Negro, I don't know about you guys, but to me that's absolute dominance.......the same kind of dominance we have in Summer, Winter Olympics, Auto and Motor Sports, X Games and so on. I focus on the forest not on a few trees and unfortunately the forest is burning only in the NBA and sprinting for now.
PS
Political correctness that some members in here are showing even when they are attacked from non whites and the attempt they do to talk back to them in a civilized manner (I repeat when they are attacked, we should all be civilized in first place, not under an attack though), is another tool we whites give to the various "enemies"...........Here's how I deal with invaders or people who insult my kind (focus on my additional and Best Answer) :
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...75LluHvsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20120630073852AADpdf1
PS1
One said that my constant repeating of facts and numbers make me look like a paranoid lunatic.........I beg to differ and I do it in purpose knowing from personal experience that the constant repeating of the facts and numbers only points out and shows the position everyone has on this world