Gol Tv had their top ten goals on the tourney and Ibrahimovic's goal was number one. Mario's goal vs Ireland was 2. Mario's 2nd goal against Italy made the list, which is crazy. Carroll's header wasn't even on the list. The length of the cross and the distance of the header should have made that a top ten goal.
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frederic38
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Just for teh lulz:
Oh yeah, right. And also Neymar is better than Messi and Freddy Adu is the next Pele (Just in case you did not already know that!)
That guy is just unbelievable.
I am actually hoping for a second Maracanazo in 2014
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/3296...zils-1970-world-cup-winners-better-than-spain
Oh yeah, right. And also Neymar is better than Messi and Freddy Adu is the next Pele (Just in case you did not already know that!)
That guy is just unbelievable.
I am actually hoping for a second Maracanazo in 2014
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frederic38
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imagine the excuses he would make if spain beats brazil in 2014...
he would say that spain is doping, ect
:lie:
they are not doping more than the other teams
i wonder if players like xavi and iniesta would be considered better than other "european" players like zidane now? that would be a good thing
he would say that spain is doping, ect
:lie:
they are not doping more than the other teams
i wonder if players like xavi and iniesta would be considered better than other "european" players like zidane now? that would be a good thing
As for who is a better team , spain or brazil
real football didnt start till early 1980's
and for the italy team and playing one black is nothing to
get worked up about , or it always has to start somewhere !!!
well yes ,it might start here or might not ,the italian team might be
still very healthy many decades to come but what meant to say is.
that it is far beyond my tolerance threshold ., of annoyance ,disgust ,and so on
for core values and beliefs that have and would like to see reflected .
we all have a tolerance threshold when it comes to blacks or non whites in a team ,society ,etc.
say if he played in defense and rarely was mentioned and was a once-off player with not many others coming through
then could tolerate it .
or even say 3 asians on the team i could tolerate , forwards,etc as i know that they are usually decent people
and team players ,with limited ego and what it similarly means for the society ,they have similar values ,dont mix much and wont
effect society to much etc if were a small minority .and i would class myself as extremist in views wheter act on them or not.
finally if only every european country had a golden dawn party ,
would france ,england be in the state they are now
where it is to late to do anything in current environment until be it society collapses and with desperation people wake up
and dont tolerate there presence anymore .
whites in england ,etc are to embaressed or whatever to go out and do dirty work like golden dawn
and have active discrimination and discouragement ,so these people cant get a foothold in that countries society .
i have seen on other forums especially from americans that look at golden dawn as a laughing stock
okay in america that is far gone and ****ed but for european countries with recent immigration ,it has a purpose
go out and let these people know they are not welcome and never will be , no matter how stupid look or how
much abuse or embaressment receive even if is futile ,best can do in todays society with non -violense .they will give society the balance and politics also , so less likely become the disgustingness that see in said liberal ,left france .
thank good for greece , and thank good for the spanish , a country that is so close-knit ,family orientated that
these invaders struggle to get in the door
real football didnt start till early 1980's
and for the italy team and playing one black is nothing to
get worked up about , or it always has to start somewhere !!!
well yes ,it might start here or might not ,the italian team might be
still very healthy many decades to come but what meant to say is.
that it is far beyond my tolerance threshold ., of annoyance ,disgust ,and so on
for core values and beliefs that have and would like to see reflected .
we all have a tolerance threshold when it comes to blacks or non whites in a team ,society ,etc.
say if he played in defense and rarely was mentioned and was a once-off player with not many others coming through
then could tolerate it .
or even say 3 asians on the team i could tolerate , forwards,etc as i know that they are usually decent people
and team players ,with limited ego and what it similarly means for the society ,they have similar values ,dont mix much and wont
effect society to much etc if were a small minority .and i would class myself as extremist in views wheter act on them or not.
finally if only every european country had a golden dawn party ,
would france ,england be in the state they are now
where it is to late to do anything in current environment until be it society collapses and with desperation people wake up
and dont tolerate there presence anymore .
whites in england ,etc are to embaressed or whatever to go out and do dirty work like golden dawn
and have active discrimination and discouragement ,so these people cant get a foothold in that countries society .
i have seen on other forums especially from americans that look at golden dawn as a laughing stock
okay in america that is far gone and ****ed but for european countries with recent immigration ,it has a purpose
go out and let these people know they are not welcome and never will be , no matter how stupid look or how
much abuse or embaressment receive even if is futile ,best can do in todays society with non -violense .they will give society the balance and politics also , so less likely become the disgustingness that see in said liberal ,left france .
thank good for greece , and thank good for the spanish , a country that is so close-knit ,family orientated that
these invaders struggle to get in the door
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Rebajlo
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Matra2 -
Yes, it was always impossible to watch Italy without exploding into a storm of heavy-duty expletives. The catenaccio, the pulling of shirts, the sly kicks and elbows, the shameless diving, the crumpling to the ground every time an opposing player merely glanced over, the haranguing of the referee, the melodramatic gesticulating and the hands clasped together as if in prayer, the endless disruptions and claims for free kicks - all of this usually remained conveniently unpunished by referees and "tactfully" unmentioned by commentators.
If one examines the history of post-war international football, it is quite apparent that the so-called "powers" of Germany, Italy, Brazil, and Argentina have been the beneficiaries of refereeing double standards which have handed them major trophies or permitted them to advance to the latter stages of finals tournaments.
Italy has received plenty of refereeing favours over the years, but we have to go all the way back to the 1934 World Cup to find the most flagrant examples, which delivered passage to the final and then the trophy itself.
The 1934 tournament was held in Mussolini's Italy, which speaks volumes about the possibilities for potential pro-Italian refereeing. This potential came to full fruition at the quarterfinals stage, where Italy met Spain.
The match was characterised by rough Italian play and ended in a 1-1 draw so, unlike today, it was replayed the next day. In this replay, Spain was denied a couple of sure penalties, while the Italians' brutality went through the roof, as they kicked their opponents to pieces with impunity. In the wake of his suspiciously "lax" performance in the replay, the Swiss referee Rene Mercet was subsequently suspended by the Swiss Football Association.
In the semi-final "refereed" by the openly biased Swede Ivan Eklind, Italy got past Austria via a single goal - which was "scored" when the Austrian goalkeeper was pushed back over the line while holding the ball.
Eklind also "officiated" in the final, as Italy faced Czechoslovakia. Yet again, the Italians were given free rein to foul at will. Despite engaging in remarkably vicious "tackling" and even punching their opponents, they remained unpunished. To top things off, Eklind failed to award the Czechoslovaks a definite penalty and Italy "won" 2-1 after extra time.
West Germany's "win" against Hungary in the final of the 1954 World Cup - played at the aptly-named Wankdorf Stadium and lovingly dubbed "The Miracle of Bern" by the German media - was mired in controversy. Funnily enough, all of the "controversial" decisions favoured the Germans...
Firstly, the Hungarian goalkeeper was fouled when Helmut Rahn "scored" West Germany's equaliser.
Secondly, with West Germany leading 3-2, Ferenc Puskas scored what observers deemed a legitimate goal in the 89th minute, only to have it eventually ruled out for offside. I say "eventually" because the Welsh linesman only raised his flag just before the restart at the centre circle...
Thirdly, a final-minute foul on Sandor Kocsis in the penalty area went unpunished.
This was the first in a long succession of German teams to benefit from the inaction of referees and linesmen who were mysteriously "blind" to their dirty play.
Puskas' disallowed equaliser, alongside Toni Schumacher's foul on Patrick Battiston in 1982 and Diego Maradona's "Hand of God goal" against England in 1986 provided some of the most prominent examples of openly biased officiating in the history of international football, and definitely the most well-known in World Cup history.
It doesn't require too much imagination to realise that in the ideologically-charged post-World War Two climate, the propaganda value of a "fairy tale" win by the newly-reinstated West Germans was infinitely more palatable than a victory by the "Communist" Hungarians...
I mentioned Toni Schumacher's foul on Patrick Battiston at the 1982 World Cup in an earlier post, but that was not the only controversy the West German team was invoved in during that tournament, for there was also the infamous "fixed match" against Austria. This episode reveals a lot about the attitudes of the German players and management of the time who, in my opinion, constituted one of the greatest collections of arseholes that were ever involved in the sport. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Toni Schumacher, Paul Breitner (the loud-mouthed "Marxist" who nevertheless played for Real Madrid and accepted money from sponsors to shave his beard) and Lothar Matthaus were some of the most arrogant pricks in football history.
After publicly bragging that they'd effortlessly demolish Algeria in their opening group game, the Germans suffered a shock 2-1 loss. This immediately put them on the back foot as Austria won 1-0 against Chile. In the second matches West Germany beat Chile 4-1 while Austria defeated Algeria 2-0.
Back then, the final games in group formats weren't always played simultaneously - which led to some suspiciously "improbable" results. The most notable of those had occurred in the previous World Cup when hosts Argentina required a win by four clear goals against Peru in order to qualify for the final. Lo and behold, Argentina just happened to "win" 6-0...
Algeria and Chile therefore played their final match the day before the Germans and Austrians were due to meet. Algeria won 3-2, which meant that the group was very finely balanced.
Austria and Algeria were both on four points, with West Germany on two points. The Austrians' goal difference was 3, the Algerians' 0, while the Germans' was 2. This threw up the following permutations:
(A) A draw or an Austrian win would eliminate the Germans
(B) A German win by three or more goals would eliminate Austria both on goal difference or goals scored (West Germany and Algeria would progress)
(C) A German win by one or two goals would ensure both teams qualified and Algeria would be eliminated
The latter option naturally best suited the Germans and Austrians. As things went, the match just "happened" to finish in a 1-0 West German victory in what was clearly a fix. Following Horst Hrubesch's tenth minute goal the game petered out to nothing, with both sets of players passing the ball around harmlessly before pumping it into the opponent's half for the cycle to begin anew.
Both the German and Austrian fans were disgusted, as were the commentators - the Austrian commentator famously told viewers to turn off their televisions and proceeded to remain silent for the final half hour. Yet the Germans and Austrians were unapologetic, with West Germany coach Jupp Derwall summing things up in the post-match conference by saying that they wanted to progress to the next round, not to play football. The only positive which came out of this mess was that FIFA decided that in future the final matches in group stages would be played simultaneoulsy.
As a kid, this glaringly obvious display of cheating affected my outlook on the game which, even at that early age, was already tainted as I had read about the abovementioned 1954 World Cup final, the Internazionale fixes of the 1960s, as well as the Lobo affair of 1973 in which Juventus attempted to bribe the referee of the second leg of the European Cup semi-final against Derby County. The fact that in all of these instances nobody was ever punished said a lot about the shadowy side of the sport and I henceforth always viewed with suspicion decisions involving the "big" nations and clubs.
Speaking of the 1982 World Cup, I recall being utterly devastated when Zbigniew Boniek, Poland's best player, was given a yellow card in the 88th minute of the final second round match against the Soviet Union. This was his second yellow card of the tournament and ruled him out of the semi-final - in which Poland was to face the winner of the match between Italy and Brazil (which, of course, turned out to be eventual champions Italy). The referee was a certain Scotsman by the name of Bob Valentine - the same man who had officiated in the fixed match between West Germany and Austria...
Rebajlo
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Porthos -
When it comes to the 2010 World Cup, the Germans received a huge helping of "luck" in that second round match against England in the form of Frank Lampard's disallowed goal. I'm not saying that England would have won had it stood, but any neutral observer would note that Lampard's equalising strike came two minutes after Matthew Upson's goal and that this was England's best period of the game. Who knows how the young and relatively inexperienced German team would have coped with losing a two goal lead in the space of a couple of minutes?
Another controversy though not nearly as serious as the cheating Germans and Austrians was the 1978 World Cup Final between Argentina and The Netherlands. The Dutch had put the Italians out in an ill tempered affair in the final group stage match* (it was pretty much a semi-final). A lot of Italians were angry about it. So who does FIFA get to referee the final? An Italian! This Italian ref for the final at first would not let one of the van de Kerkhof brothers play due to a cast on his arm, yet he'd been allowed to play with the cast in all the other matches! Eventually the ref backed down but by that time the whole Dutch team was in a bad tempered rage. (They were also forced to wait for ages for the Argentine team to take the pitch as the Argies were engaging in their usual gamesmanship, and this was before an absolutely insane crowd of over 70 000. They should have forfeited the match when the Argentines didn't show up). When play started the Dutch were completely out of sorts for an almost the entire first half and it cost them in the end.
* Here are the goal highlights from the match against Italy. The two Dutch goals were screamers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR27qbP9A08
* Here are the goal highlights from the match against Italy. The two Dutch goals were screamers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR27qbP9A08
More on the 1978 final:
http://www.onthisfootballday.com/football-history/june-25-the-shame-of-argentina-78.php
http://www.onthisfootballday.com/football-history/june-25-the-shame-of-argentina-78.php
frederic38
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the austria-germany match was absolutely legit, althought it should have been hard to watch
if algeria wanted to qualify, they had to beat both austria and germany
you can't expect a team to play 100% when they don't need to win in order to qualify, especially germany (the real germany, not the modern germany)
and once austria scored, they were qualified, so there was no need to score another goal
i would have done the same
if algeria wanted to qualify, they had to beat both austria and germany
you can't expect a team to play 100% when they don't need to win in order to qualify, especially germany (the real germany, not the modern germany)
and once austria scored, they were qualified, so there was no need to score another goal
i would have done the same
Most modern sports were invented by the British (or Anglo-Saxons in the New World) not for the purposes of making money, nationalism, or winning at all costs but to build character (and in the case of the working class - to distract them and channel their energy in a certain way:icon_wink
. Alas, those days are gone. Winning at all costs is no longer seen as low class and vulgar but expected. The Rubicon was crossed some time ago.
What happened between W Germany and Austria was still disturbing in 1982 to most of the Western world with its sense of fair play at the time (even the people of Germany and Austria were ashamed). Back then sportsmanship was still expected (again, in most of the West) though it was more of an ideal than anything but things have degenerated as all sports have become entirely professional and multiculturalised. (Needless to say that Western, especially north European, sense of fair play, which is fine and admirable amongst ourselves, makes us easy prey for less scrupulous peoples now living in our countries. Therefore it will have to be jettisoned if we are to survive).
Frederic, did most French people disapprove of the way France beat Ireland (Thierry Henry's hand ball) or were they just happy to qualify?
. Alas, those days are gone. Winning at all costs is no longer seen as low class and vulgar but expected. The Rubicon was crossed some time ago.What happened between W Germany and Austria was still disturbing in 1982 to most of the Western world with its sense of fair play at the time (even the people of Germany and Austria were ashamed). Back then sportsmanship was still expected (again, in most of the West) though it was more of an ideal than anything but things have degenerated as all sports have become entirely professional and multiculturalised. (Needless to say that Western, especially north European, sense of fair play, which is fine and admirable amongst ourselves, makes us easy prey for less scrupulous peoples now living in our countries. Therefore it will have to be jettisoned if we are to survive).
Frederic, did most French people disapprove of the way France beat Ireland (Thierry Henry's hand ball) or were they just happy to qualify?
frederic38
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yes, most people disapproved, they tried to say that ireland did the same with a penalty offered to them for nothing against georgia, but that was false
they said this to make them feel better
but in this case it's different because it was cheating
sportmanship for me is respecting the opponent, it means that you must do everything you can to beat them
to stop playing because it looks like the other team already lost, and to let them score some goals is disrespecting the oponent
so in this case, the way i see it, the germans and the austrians had to do everything in order to qualify, which they did
they showed no mercy, which is good
algeria could have qualified by beating them, but they didn't, so they deserved to be kicked out
frederic38
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showing no mercy is one of the most important things in fair play and sportsmanship, it's the way you show that you respect your opponent
that's what i was told
so fair play shouldn't mean that we would become extinct
that's what i was told
so fair play shouldn't mean that we would become extinct
frederic38
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Most modern sports were invented by the British (or Anglo-Saxons in the New World) not for the purposes of making money, nationalism, or winning at all costs but to build character (and in the case of the working class - to distract them and channel their energy in a certain way:icon_wink
in france also, with coubertin for example, the man who created the modern olympic games:
modern sports like rugby, tennis were also invented in france and brought to britain, probably by William the Conqueror
i agree with the sentence quoted, but for a french it also remind us of our weakpoints because when we played against teams like germany we always were beautiful to see, but we always lost, because the germans were more pragmatic and we were more meditterranean and more romantic, i would say
it's good to fight, but we have to fight to win, not just for the beauty of the struggle
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There are rumors (still persisting today) that the whole 1954 German team was doped...
The "Eastern block" teams were regularly cheated by referees, probably because of economic/TV viewership reasons, posibly because of ideology as you say. In the same 1982 World Cup group stage Yugoslavia was cheated by a penalty kick awarded to Spain for a foul that was good 2-3 meters outside of the penalty area, and when the Spanish player missed the first kick, the PK was repeated! Spain won 2:1.
Another blatant cheating was in the Belgium-USSR game during the 1986 WC, where Belgium was given not one but 2 goals scored from players in deep offside positions.
When we are at Germany's pecadillos you should mention Rudi Voeller's dive in the 1990 WC final (winning penalty) and before that Jurgen Klinsman theatrical dive that resulted in Argentina's player (Monzon?) red card. Not that Argentina deserved better - they reached the final by scoring a grand total of 5 goals - but still... 1990 was probably the worst WC to date.
As for match fixing, other teams that you wouldn't suspect also did similar. Remember the 2:2 draw between (of all teams) Denmark and Sweden (!?) during the 2004 Euro? Chance would have it, was the only result that qualified both teams at the expense of Italy.
England also was favoured by referees in the 1966 WC when Argentina's Rattin was sent off for no apparent reason in the quarterfinals against them and a "phantom" goal was allowed to them in the final against Germany.
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frederic38
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the new coach of the french national team will be named today, it will be didier deschamps, almost sure
frederic38
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regarding players switching nationalities, that's the first time i see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacer_Chadli
i already saw players who switched nationality after having played with the youth squad of another nation, but this player already played with morocco's real team
i already saw players who switched nationality after having played with the youth squad of another nation, but this player already played with morocco's real team
Zeus
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Frederic, since you are soccer's most passionate and #1 member in here by far (personal opinion) will you open a new thread regarding world cup's qualification groups, anytime soon? We have some very interesting groups here in Europe and I would like to see your predictions. I think the first games start in less than 55 days if I am not mistaken.
frederic38
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thanks for the kind words, but i try not to create too many threads, because i'm still a new member here
i only looked at france's group so far, i thought that the qualifiers would start much later
i know quite a few things about modern soccer but there are members here that now more than me because i don't know much about history, rebajlo for example is someone i look up to
usually there are very few surprises in the qualifiers, but 1 big team usually fails to qualify
the team i see having trouble to qualify are england (they have a tight group i think) netherlands, and it will be interesting to see how belgium will do, they have good players but they are also one of the blackest teams in europe and have consequently been punished for that by totally disappearing from the international stage
let's see what kind of team they will have and what result they will get, it should be interesting
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I enjoy reading your posts as well frederic. I always enjoy your insight and contributions, especially on the soccer forum.
I can start the World Cup qualifying thread, but all of your threads and posts are very informative, and I don't think anybody here cares if you start a lot of very informative and good threads.
I can start the World Cup qualifying thread, but all of your threads and posts are very informative, and I don't think anybody here cares if you start a lot of very informative and good threads.
frederic38
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thanks
i love soccer but the only place where i would post is this one, i was very happy to find this website
with my friends we were talking about this racial aspect of sports all the time
there are so many things to say about soccer
i love soccer but the only place where i would post is this one, i was very happy to find this website
with my friends we were talking about this racial aspect of sports all the time
there are so many things to say about soccer
Zeus
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I am still in the office (at work) and I have no TV and I see no updates in online news, but I heard in the radio news that Greece just won against England in the semifinals of the Euro Championship U19.............Is that accurate? Frederic? Anyone who has news on this please post details cause I am gonna have to stay at work for a couple more hours today unfortunately. What other teams were in the other semifinal? Damn now I want Greece to win this European title bad :blush:
Another good summer for Greek sports, I just hope our economy finally rises too.
PS
English team was full of Negroes I suppose? If yes, that makes it even better for us!
Another good summer for Greek sports, I just hope our economy finally rises too.
PS
English team was full of Negroes I suppose? If yes, that makes it even better for us!
frederic38
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yes, greece beat england
the english should have been pretty black
their only goal in this match was scored by afobe
another example of a big soccer power getting beat by a white team because they have too many blacks
and it's even more impressive in a youth tournament because big countries always win in youth tournament usually (it's very hard for a small country to produce enough good footballers that are all between 19 and 18 years, while they can be more competitive when the teams hae players between 18 and 35 years old)
the other semi final is france vs spain, france must be the blackest team ofcourse, but i didn't saw any image of this tournament
but usually france in youth tournament have 8-9 blacks, the rest are arabs+white
frederic38
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update about the u19 euro champs we were talking about:
france was kicked out by spain, with gerard delofeu playing a major role (porthos posted about him in the "top white soccer talents" thread):
[video=youtube_share;2m1Mb_5dd6I]http://youtu.be/2m1Mb_5dd6I[/video]
france started 8 blacks and spain maybe one (judging from the names)
france was kicked out by spain, with gerard delofeu playing a major role (porthos posted about him in the "top white soccer talents" thread):
[video=youtube_share;2m1Mb_5dd6I]http://youtu.be/2m1Mb_5dd6I[/video]
france started 8 blacks and spain maybe one (judging from the names)