Toby Gerhart version 2.0

[La France Blanche]

So to actually talk about Toby Gerhart...

Was he the most screwed-over running back in the history of the NFL? At least Hillis was "allowed" to have one breakout season. Burkhead may get a fair shot with the Patriots, we'll see...But Gerhart has been screwed by the Caste System for his entire career (so far), first by being a second-stringer stuck on a Vikings team that had a first-string feature back (a rarity in today's NFL), then by being sent to Jacksonville, probably the worst place he could have landed.

Will there be a McCaffrey Effect, if Christian succeeds, that will help out other White running backs like Gerhart? I'm hoping, but doubtful that it will. Nothing has truly changed with regard to the Caste System in the past couple of decades. I think the only thing that could bring real change, ironically, is if the NFL becomes so anti-white that it becomes unwatchable for the "mainstream" White fan. If that ever becomes the case, the NFL owners who want to make money will turn against the hardcore cultural Marxists, and a re-whitening, at least to some degree, will occur.

 

[Don Wassall]

Gerhart isn't remotely close to being the most screwed over White back. He was recruited and started and starred for a prominent program. That in itself is an extreme rarity. He was drafted in the second round, albeit yes to the team that had Adrian Peterson. He was signed as a free agent by Jacksonville to be their starter and was their starter for part of a season before injuries took their toll, another extreme rarity.

He had an opportunity just like Peyton Hillis did, but lost it due to a terrible o-line and his tendency to be nicked up a lot. The stars came into alignment for Hillis thanks to a slew of injuries, though he blew it the next season because of his black agent's crap advice and his missing a game due to strep throat; they never did for Toby, but at least he had an opportunity, which is something very very few White RBs ever get. There have been dozens and dozens of very talented White running backs written about on this site that never got an opportunity in college, or who made it to the NFL as a training camp body and were either instantly cut, or hung around on the fringes of various rosters for a season or three before disappearing, or were forced to bulk up and become blocking fullbacks.

I think also with Toby, he lost respect around the league by being pushed around by his own teammates in his first training camp with Minnesota. The NFL isn't all that much different from prison in that players have to show they'll fight back when challenged; this is especially so for White players. He came from a suburban type background and Stanford was hardly The U, so Toby was likely initially unprepared to deal with life in the NFL.

He should have had a lot more opportunities than he received and should still be in the NFL, but it is what it is, a combination of just one opportunity where the deck was stacked against him along with his tendency to be injured. At least this season we have more cause for optimism when it comes to White RBs than we've had in over a generation.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Gerhart isn't remotely close to being the most screwed over White back. He was recruited and started and starred for a prominent program. That in itself is an extreme rarity. He was drafted in the second round, albeit yes to the team that had Adrian Peterson. He was signed as a free agent by Jacksonville to be their starter and was their starter for part of a season before injuries took their toll, another extreme rarity.

He had an opportunity just like Peyton Hillis did, but lost it due to a terrible o-line and his tendency to be nicked up a lot. The stars came into alignment for Hillis thanks to a slew of injuries, though he blew it the next season because of his black agent's crap advice and his missing a game due to strep throat; they never did for Toby, but at least he had an opportunity, which is something very very few White RBs ever get. There have been dozens and dozens of very talented White running backs written about on this site that never got an opportunity in college, or who made it to the NFL as a training camp body and were either instantly cut, or hung around on the fringes of various rosters for a season or three before disappearing, or were forced to bulk up and become blocking fullbacks.

I think also with Toby, he lost respect around the league by being pushed around by his own teammates in his first training camp with Minnesota. The NFL isn't all that much different from prison in that players have to show they'll fight back when challenged; this is especially so for White players. He came from a suburban type background and Stanford was hardly The U, so Toby was likely initially unprepared to deal with life in the NFL. He should have had a lot more opportunities than he received and should still be in the NFL, but it is what it is, a combination of just one opportunity where the deck was stacked against him along with his tendency to be injured. At least this season we have more cause for optimism when it comes to White RBs than we've had in over a generation.

I agree. I think the most screwed over white running backs were Brian Shay and Travis Jervey. Jervey was one of the best athletes to ever play in the NFL. Shay could have at the minimum had a Danny Woodhead type career.

 

[sport historian]

Gerhart isn't remotely close to being the most screwed over White back. He was recruited and started and starred for a prominent program. That in itself is an extreme rarity. He was drafted in the second round, albeit yes to the team that had Adrian Peterson. He was signed as a free agent by Jacksonville to be their starter and was their starter for part of a season before injuries took their toll, another extreme rarity.

He had an opportunity just like Peyton Hillis did, but lost it due to a terrible o-line and his tendency to be nicked up a lot. The stars came into alignment for Hillis thanks to a slew of injuries, though he blew it the next season because of his black agent's crap advice and his missing a game due to strep throat; they never did for Toby, but at least he had an opportunity, which is something very very few White RBs ever get. There have been dozens and dozens of very talented White running backs written about on this site that never got an opportunity in college, or who made it to the NFL as a training camp body and were either instantly cut, or hung around on the fringes of various rosters for a season or three before disappearing, or were forced to bulk up and become blocking fullbacks.

I think also with Toby, he lost respect around the league by being pushed around by his own teammates in his first training camp with Minnesota. The NFL isn't all that much different from prison in that players have to show they'll fight back when challenged; this is especially so for White players. He came from a suburban type background and Stanford was hardly The U, so Toby was likely initially unprepared to deal with life in the NFL. He should have had a lot more opportunities than he received and should still be in the NFL, but it is what it is, a combination of just one opportunity where the deck was stacked against him along with his tendency to be injured. At least this season we have more cause for optimism when it comes to White RBs than we've had in over a generation.

Some years ago my brother met a man who had played some at an SEC school. Of the experience he said: "The players are a bunch of thugs. To deal with them you have to stand your ground and don't back down."

 

[white lightning]

I always thought Luke Staley got a raw deal but injuries did hurt him. Gerhart should have been a starting back on a good team but things didn't work out. Luckily for him he made alot of money without playing very much. At the end of the day he is very lucky since he is rich and healthy at 30 years of age. How many guys are lucky enough to say that?

I do agree he got screwed going to the wrong teams both times but money is money.

 

[Ambrose]

Well, in the end, if Gerhart did make the money, and retire without the injuries, and long-term effects of PEDs, than he actually did BETTER than the black backs that broke themselves and end up poor.

 

[Westside]

Toby's downfall as Don put it was getting "nicked up' a lot. If he did not and had a bit of an O-line with the Jags, could have been a different story. Besides in Minn, he proved he could play in the NFL. But the caste system still has a vice grip on the NFL, so Toby lives to be a regular dude as a civilian. He should write a book about his experience in the NFL.

 

[Don Wassall]

Gerhart proved he had NFL talent. He had quite a few impressive plays as a very part-time player the season before he was signed by Jacksonville. Jax was the only team that was interested in giving him starter money when he became a free agent, so while his Jacksonville experience turned out to be disastrous, what would have happened if no other NFL organization had been interested in signing him:

 

[Budmademewizer]

While he may not be the most screwed over of all time i'll throw Alstott's name out there.He had some great seasons splitting time with Dunn during the Dungy era and was on pace for HoF #s for a FB and headed to a championship team. Gruden took over and used Alstott some in his 1st year and took Dungy's team to a SB win but after that season he turned Mike into a battering ram for Pittman & Cadillac and killed Mike's career. Just a few seasons later Mike's neck was messed up and a great player was gone without a quarter of the opportunity he deserved.

 

[Silence Dogood]

Most screwed over? No, but apparently, he isnt good enough to earn a roster spot. Gerhart is better than a lot of the backups in the NFL, but if he wants to play again, he needs to take his talents to Canada.

The NFL has screwed over almost every white running back that has come into the League since the early 80s.

Gil Fenerty is the back I think got the shaft most, Staley was injury prone, and Jervey was just not liked, but Gil was never even given a chance by th BFL.

By the time he came in the league, he was long in tbe tooth, (having played in Europe and Canada), and was picked up by a team set at RB (Saints).

Dalton Hilliard, Ruben Mayes, Barry Word and Craig Heyward, all 1000 yard backs at one point, were ahead of him on tbe depth chart.

He was still a hell of a returner, and when given an opportunity to start he put up a 100 yards. Still, he had size, speed and patience, and had be been darker, would have been an NFL starter from day 1.

 

[celticdb15]

Recently I'd say Jake Sharp 6ft 200lb RB from KU with 4.3 speed is up there. Brian Leonard and Jacob Hester of course. Jersey Joe Martinek and even Sam McGuffie. If McGuffie was a bruva he would still be in the league! Used to think Staley was screwed until I heard the extent and severity of his injuries.

 

[Leonardfan]

When one stops to think about the RB position - essentially the main requisite for it is to average 4 yards per carry. That is the baseline for a competent RB. To think that someone is disregarded as being able to average four ******* yards a carry because he is white is beyond asinine. Meanwhile players like Eddie George and Bettis were able to invoke black privilege and keep their spots as starters well after their primes - gobble up carries. Look up their career stats and look how many times they both averaged under 4 ypc. Now think of all the non name black players in the league - thousands of RBs in the past 30 years who averaged less than 4 ypc.

Toby is a bell cow running back, at Stanford he excelled at dominating and closing out games in the 4th quarter. He is not a change of pace back or the type of RB who you split reps with. He was pure power and a real joy to watch at Stanford. Their is no way in hell an NFL team was going to give him 25-30 carries a game because he was white - its that plain and simple. Even when he went to Jax he was projected as a 15-20 touch guy at most. More than injuries the reason Gerhart was unable to make more of a dent in the caste system is because the caste whore NFL does not want to see a white player become the focal point of an offense. Coaches and personnel people have their heads to far up the ass of the caste system to even consider it.

 

[Ambrose]

You guys keep mentioning the Jax O line in front of Gerhart. If that was a black O line that likely explains why he couldn't get the lanes to run through. Black lines won't work in front of a white runner. In their numb skulls they think it is like "workin' for the man", and, to them, that is like being in a subordinate position.

 

[Don Wassall]

You guys keep mentioning the Jax O line in front of Gerhart. If that was a black O line that likely explains why he couldn't get the lanes to run through. Black lines won't work in front of a white runner. In their numb skulls they think it is like "workin' for the man", and, to them, that is like being in a subordinate position.

It was 3/5 White in '14. While Whites are better linemen on average, not all excel. The Jags annually manage the feat of being a bottom feeder in a league that has a salary cap designed to promote parity.

The Jaguars were the most successful expansion team in any pro sport when they began in 1995. They made it to the playoffs in '96, '97, '98 and '99, going all the way to the AFC conference championship game in '99. They also had the relatively Whitest, or close to the Whitest roster in the NFL during that time span. But head coach Tom Coughlin for some reason "saw the light" and they started becoming blacker and much less competitive after that. They had a brief resurgence under Black Jack Del Rio when they broke records for the blackest roster in NFL history in the mid-'00s, but that didn't last long and they've sucked ever since. And Coughlin remained a full-bore Caste clown in his time with the Giants, though to his credit his team won two Super Bowls, and now again with the Jaguars.

 

[Ambrose]

It was 3/5 White in '14. While Whites are better linemen on average, not all excel. The Jags annually manage the feat of being a bottom feeder in a league that has a salary cap designed to promote parity.

The Jaguars were the most successful expansion team in any pro sport when they began in 1995. They made it to the playoffs in '96, '97, '98 and '99, going all the way to the AFC conference championship game in '99. They also had the relatively Whitest, or close to the Whitest roster in the NFL during that time span. But head coach Tom Coughlin for some reason "saw the light" and they started becoming blacker and much less competitive after that. They had a brief resurgence under Black Jack Del Rio when they broke records for the blackest roster in NFL history in the mid-'00s, but that didn't last long and they've sucked ever since. And Coughlin remained a full-bore Caste clown in his time with the Giants, though to his credit his team won two Super Bowls, and now again with the Jaguars.

Well, didn't watch much of him, so just what was the reason for his not breaking out?

 

[Don Wassall]

There were no holes to run through. Any good running back depends on his line to at least create some creases to take advantage of, but there weren't any. Also, no imagination in play calling, just trying to send Toby again and again up the middle to be stuffed. And no passing game to take pressure off the running game, just a terrible offense.

 

[Silence Dogood]

There were no holes to run through. Any good running back depends on his line to at least create some creases to take advantage of, but there weren't any. Also, no imagination in play calling, just trying to send Toby again and again up the middle to be stuffed. And no passing game to take pressure off the running game, just a terrible offense.

He was also hurt that year if I remember correctly, and never healed up entirely.

 

[Upside]

Yeah, everyone has pretty much hit it on the head. It was really an unfortunate series of circumstances for Toby, starting with the fact that (surprise, surprise) he was drafted by a team that had absolutely no use for him; scratch four years off of his career, right off the bat.
Because he had to sit behind Peterson, who was at the time, the best running back in the league, opportunities to display his talent were few and far between, leading to mild interest when he finally became a free agent.
Jax was the only team to offer starter money, and he went for it; can't blame him for that.
The Jags, as we all know, were a disaster from top to bottom. Bortles was a rookie, so defenses weren't too worried about the passing game; Toby was facing 8 in the box, pretty much every time he touched the ball, and to make matters worse, the line was pretty bad, mostly due to youth.
I remember his initial injury, it was either the first or second game of the season, Toby was wrapped up and tackled awkwardly (probably on propose), and suffered an ankle injury, from which he never really recovered, and by mid season, it was pretty obvious they had already given up on him. Sure enough, Jax drafted Yeldon (who really hasn't been much better), and Toby was cut the following offseason.

My question is, why hasn't anyone brought him in as a backup, or at least as a fullback? Every team generally carries 3 or 4 RBs; I refuse to believe there are over 100 running backs out there better than Gerhart. While I think it would be a waste to have him at fullback, one thing he really excelled at was catching passes out of the backfield; what a luxury it would be to have a guy with Toby's skill set at fullback...

 

[Upside]

As for the initial question, no, I think there are many more White RBs that have been screwed way worse than Toby. However, I do think Toby is getting screwed pretty good right now, by virtue of the fact he can't even find a job as a backup RB or a fullback, as I eluded to in my previous post.

Peyton Hillis was screwed way worse IMO. How many people had to get injured before Denver gave him a few carries? He responded with a 100+ yard game, and was rewarded with a seat on the bench the following week. He was eventually traded to the Browns where he again wasn't allowed to touch the ball until every running back on the roster was injured. He responded with a 1200 yard 10 TD season, briefly making the Browns interesting and relevant. Hillis then dared to ask the organization to pay him like a starter. The Browns jerked him around and eventually let him go. Receiving little interest on the market, he settled for a backup job in KC, then eventually moved on to the Giants, where he could've revived his career, as he was probably the best RB on their roster at the time. But the Giants kept force feeding Reshad Jennings, and some other bum who I can't think of at the moment, and if I recall, Hillis actually had a better yard per carry average than those two idiots, yet he was cut, never to be heard of again; Jennings and his 3.3 ypc still starts for the Giants...smh...

Jacob Hester also comes to mind. Like Gerhart, Hester was drafted early to a team that had no business drafting a running back to begin with. There was no questions asked, they immediately moved him to fullback. This is a guy that rushed for over 1100 yards, and 12 TDs as a senior, leading the LSU Tigers to a National Championship. He torched affletic SEC defenses week in and week out, but for some reason, NFL scouts saw only a fullback. Naturally, at 5'11, 220, he couldn't take the pounding of playing FB, and only lasted a few years. The pick made absolutely no sense. They had Tomlinson at RB, and Lorenzo Neal at FB, and at the time, both were among the best at their respective positions, yet San Diego decided to spend a 3rd rounder on Hester, who could've possibly started at RB on a number of teams, and would probably still be playing today.

I agree Bud, Gruden killed Mike Alstott's career. I swear up and down to this day, Alstott would have been a 10,000 yard rusher, and possibly a HOFer had it not been for Gruden...

 

[dolphins15]

Yeah, everyone has pretty much hit it on the head. It was really an unfortunate series of circumstances for Toby, starting with the fact that (surprise, surprise) he was drafted by a team that had absolutely no use for him; scratch four years off of his career, right off the bat.
Because he had to sit behind Peterson, who was at the time, the best running back in the league, opportunities to display his talent were few and far between, leading to mild interest when he finally became a free agent.
Jax was the only team to offer starter money, and he went for it; can't blame him for that.
The Jags, as we all know, were a disaster from top to bottom. Bortles was a rookie, so defenses weren't too worried about the passing game; Toby was facing 8 in the box, pretty much every time he touched the ball, and to make matters worse, the line was pretty bad, mostly due to youth.
I remember his initial injury, it was either the first or second game of the season, Toby was wrapped up and tackled awkwardly (probably on propose), and suffered an ankle injury, from which he never really recovered, and by mid season, it was pretty obvious they had already given up on him. Sure enough, Jax drafted Yeldon (who really hasn't been much better), and Toby was cut the following offseason.

My question is, why hasn't anyone brought him in as a backup, or at least as a fullback? Every team generally carries 3 or 4 RBs; I refuse to believe there are over 100 running backs out there better than Gerhart. While I think it would be a waste to have him at fullback, one thing he really excelled at was catching passes out of the backfield; what a luxury it would be to have a guy with Toby's skill set at fullback...

I think it was the first game of the year in the 1st quarter. I use to have the NFL replay where you could see the coaches film from the endzone. It was Marcedes Lewis who missed his block. It looked like he just let the guy cross his face and didn't even put up a fight. The guy sliced through and hit Toby as soon as he got the ball and tackled him awkwardly and Toby was never the same and tried to play through it. But it was a putrid effort by Lewis who is held as this great blocker. In reality Toby should have waited until his ankle was healed to come back but I think he knew this was his shot and wanted to play. It didn't help that Jags fans never really liked him from the get go and were already wanting Dennard Robinson to play. Then they drafted Yeldon who was supposed to be the savior and had more speed and wiggle (even though he was slower than Gerhart) but he has turned into a bust. Now all I have heard is they have a guy who can take it the distance from anywhere on the field with Fournette. Even though Toby ran the same 40 time as him.

 

[SneakyFast]

Gerhart proved he had NFL talent. He had quite a few impressive plays as a very part-time player the season before he was signed by Jacksonville. Jax was the only team that was interested in giving him starter money when he became a free agent, so while his Jacksonville experience turned out to be disastrous, what would have happened if no other NFL organization had been interested in signing him:

I love how the NFL blocks caste football youtube clips it shows they are watching this website or are corrupt corporate aholes anyway, the filthy bastards

 

[Ambrose]

I love how the NFL blocks caste football youtube clips it shows they are watching this website or are corrupt corporate aholes anyway, the filthy bastards

Badge of honor.

 

[Rocky B]

My 2 cents on Luke Staley.....Never should have left college early.....He could've tore his senior season up and got drafted higher than the 7th round (ugghh).....Getting dinged up at Detroit and never really playing was a big let down......Toby did get f-ed.....The Steelers had a kid in the 90's that played baseball out of high school (due to little football interest).....Then played for small Grove City and broke the record for most yards in college football history.....RJ Bowers????.....I'll look up his name.....His paleness cost him big program recruits......Same old story.....

 

[Don Wassall]

Bill Cowher kept Western Pennsylvania native R. J. Bowers as Pittsburgh's team mascot in 2001. At the end of the season in a blowout win, Bowers played in garbage time and ran for almost 100 yards. Looking at Pro Football Reference, he was with Cleveland in '02 and '03 and never got another carry. He definitely could have been a quality NFL running back.