The War of Northern Aggression

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screamingeagle, that is a crackpot view of The War if I ever heard one. Southern Whites (who didn't have control of Congress, and who were largely indebted to Northern bankers and merchants) were planning to enslave Whites in the North (who had control of Congress and most of the economic power) by using their waning influence to change slavery laws, so the North invades the South as a preventative measure to keep this from happening? Sorry man, but that is patently absurd.
 

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The Southern People should have been allowed to end slavery as they saw fit. The problem was when the North used the issue to impose their dominance. Slavery would have ended on its own momentum without Northern interference. However, southern whites, who on average didn't own slaves, should have abolished slavery long before. Could they not see how slave ownership favored large plantations as opposed to small farm ownership? Could they not see how slave ownership severely depressed wages - hence the common southern economic hardship? Could they not see the destructive nature of allowing an alien race to populated their countryside - slaves or not?

I'm confident that Southerns would have eventually rejected slavery and expelled blacks from the countryside. No way they would have ended slavery and allowed blacks to live freely amongst them. They could see first hand how that would end up.

The mistake was made in our Constitution by not explicity making this a country exclusively for Northern Europeans. Spelling it out in unconditional terms and disallowing any type foreign race migration - freemen or slaves. As we are still learning, getting rid of a destructive population of a foreign race is much more difficult than not allowing them in here in the first place.

BTW, David Duke has recently posted a video on the origins of the slave trade and you might be able to guess at who played a leading role. Edited by: Kaptain Poop
 

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Kaptain Poop said:
The mistake was made in our Constitution by not explicity making this a country exclusively for Northern Europeans.







So Greeks, Italians, and White people from the Balkans would have been denied entry according to your opinion? How about Russians east of the Urals?
 

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I agree that slavery should have never starter here, but it was here long before the 13 colonies existed as a group or decided to form a country. The mistakes began in the early 1600s when Whites decided to start importing African slaves.
 

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Colonel_Reb said:
I agree that slavery should have never starter here, but it was here long before the 13 colonies existed as a group or decided to form a country. The mistakes began in the early 1600s when Whites decided to start importing African slaves.

Good point Colonel. We are our own worst enemies. Even in blacks weren't around Hispanics would still be a huge problem in this country. Just look at the rate their population is increasing lately.
 

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Menelik said:
Kaptain Poop said:
The mistake was made in our Constitution by not explicity making this a country exclusively for Northern Europeans. 
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IMO, the war of "Northern Aggression" was about the South standing for their states & regional rights against the usurping power of the fedgov & their bank$ter allies. Yes, slavery was an issue, but NOT the only/sole issue (as played up by modern history propagandists...disguised as "educators"). We see similar issues today...with the fedgov trying to trample the state(s) rights of AZ...who's only trying to do the job the fedov refuses to do (thanks to the PTB).
 
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One of the keys to the Union victory was that the men volunteered in large numbers. They never had a problem filling the ranks. The South had to use conscription from the very beginning. The Union didn't bring in the draft into 1863, and the result that even more people volunteered! They didn't volunteer because Abe Lincoln made a few stirring speeches.
If the Union boys were not fighting to prevent themselves from being enslaved, what were they fighting for? Remember many of the Union volunteers were decendants of Indentured Servants- the polite term for white slaves.
This is a part of history the ruling classes do not want you to know.
 

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I blame the people who brought blacks over on ships from Africa for this whole mess.
 

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whiteCB said:
I blame the people who brought blacks over on ships from Africa for this whole mess.

Yeah! The South deserved an ass-whipping for that alone!
 

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Well, the first record of slaves being brought to a colony was by a group of English pirates. All of the colonies had slavery and supported it at one time or another, so it doesn't do any good to blame the South alone.

screamingeagle, once again you show your blatant ignorance or disregard of the facts. The CSA didn't start conscription for over a year after The War began, not at the beginning. Within 3 months of the Confederate Conscription Act of 1862, Lincoln issued orders for each state to provide a quota of 300,000 "volunteers" or draftees (if they didn't meet the quotas) that would be paid a nice bounty up front ($100 and up), no doubt because more and more men didn't like what was happening. This was called the Militia Act of 1862 and it happened in July 1862. These soldiers signed up for 9 months each.

Notice how the language used by the Federal government is "volunteer" at the same time that they ask the states to resort to "drafting" men. Its no wonder so many people get their history so screwed up. It was a plea for volunteers that if not met would require a draft, and the Fedgov didn't give the states long to meet their quotas before drafting started. With this new threat of a draft, a bunch of men "volunteered" in most states and collected their bounty for doing so.

The first US quota was for 300,000 men. The second was for another 300,000 in August of 1862. Although the first quota was met because of the threat of the draft, the second one was not met, even with drafting by the northern states. This quota was for 300,000 men for three years, not nine months. The grand total of soldiers generated through these two calls was 508,000, not the 600,000 the Fedgov asked for. So, you can see that Northern men were not exactly jumping at the bit to go fight by this time.

The states themselves held off the drafting as long as they could after the August '62 call was made. There was significant resistance to the draft in Indiana, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Ohio and Maryland. The enthusiasm waned after 1861 and the troubles Lincoln had getting the states to draft volunteers in 1862 led him to declare a national draft in 1863, a move that caused massive riots in New York City and resistance in many communities throughout the US.

The North had roughly three times as many men as the South at that time, so even without a draft, they wouldn't have had any trouble outnumbering the Confederates on the field. So speeches weren't all Lincoln needed. It took his pressing for laws to be passed (by Congress) that made it hard to avoid military service if you were a man living in the North. As for those White slaves you mentioned, one of my ancestors was one, and dozens of his descendants fought proudly for the South.

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Good post Col.
 

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Menelik said:
Kaptain Poop said:
The mistake was made in our Constitution by not explicity making this a country exclusively for Northern Europeans. 
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I'd give them Canada or Texas.
 

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