Shifting minority demographic in contemporary Germany (Muslims taking over Jews)

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I was reading an article the other day on the topic of life in contemporary Germany after the Holocaust, and Anti-Semitism that apparently still runs somewhat rampant in Germany (according to the author). The article was written by an author who claimed to be a white, male, blond haired, non Jew (presumably Christian, or non practicing Christian), who had noticed Anti-Semitism still existing in Germany and wanted to bring these topics to light.

The author gave examples of what he saw as Anti-Semitism, such as conversations he had with fellow Germans where they criticized American society because many Jews had positions of power and wealth.

Personally I don't believe that the author was in fact a white, non-Jewish male (then again there are some very brainwashed liberals out there!), I found the article extremely biased against Gentiles, and I certainly don`t agree with the mainstream view on the Holocaust, but all that aside there were some valuable points which I care to consider further:

- The author mentioned that despite Nazis losing the war, they succeeded in their most important objectives with regard to mostly eliminating Jews from German and European society. The proportion of Jews in Germany today, is much, much less than it was before the Holocaust according to the author. So in this way, the Nazi agenda was largely fulfilled. The author argued that because there are so few Jews in Germany today as compared to the past, it allowed today`s Germans to `reap the benefits of Nazi rationale` while still acting as though they were sorry about the Holocaust. The author compared it to a small child stealing a cookie from his Mother and eating it, even when punished, the cookie remains eaten nonetheless.

- The author also mentioned that today, MUSLIMS (Arabs, Persians, and Turks) have essentially taken the population place of Jews before the Holocaust in terms of their proportion of the population. This also furthers a Nazi agenda in that many Muslims harbour anti-Semitic viewpoints and are known to often times idolize Hitler. Hitler is a hero in much of the Arab World, and Right wing German groups, and German neo-Nazis of today often support Iran, and during the 2006 World Cup, even staged a pro-Iran rally for the Iranian football team that was competing at the World Cup.

- These Muslim immigrants are highly likely to support Germany's far right movements in the sense that both are based on anti-Semitic feelings. In this way they provide a more complimentary minority in German society, and further German anti-Jewish feelings. The author seemed to be suggesting that Germans favoured Muslim immigration because it was keeping Germany free of Jews, and Muslims were highly likely to agree with anti-Jewish views.

What does everyone make of these points? Do you think anti-Semitism still runs rampant in German society and do you think that Muslim immigration is helping Germany's far right movement? Do you see Turks, Iranians, and Arabs as friends to racially aware and right wing Europeans?
 
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My own opinion is that I am very proud to see Right Wing and Conservative whites supporting Middle Easterners. And I think that European and Middle Eastern bonds are amazing. If I lived in Germany, I would absolutely have joined the rally to support Iran. I consider myself conservative and largely right wing, and I`m happy to see the right wing in Germany is making great choices. (I would be interested in seeing the racial composition of right wing party members and voters in Germany, and how Muslim immigration helps that).

Many times I feel like Germany stands as the best (or one of the best) example of Europe, and its refreshing to see right wing Germans showing good will towards Persians.

Ive always noticed that Germany is very welcoming to Muslim immigrants and they seem to coexist very peacefully in Germany. There have been some Muslim extremists out of Germany who planned terrorist attacks on America, but you have to ask yourself who exactly they were planning to harm?

For the most part, it seems Muslims in Germany get a long very well with the Native, white Christian population and that`s amazing.

As a final point, I think its very sad the amount of brainwashing that has been done on some white Germans, that they feel overly guilty for crimes they did not even commit, and likely weren`t even alive for.
 
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What does everyone make of these points? Do you think anti-Semitism still runs rampant in German society and do you think that Muslim immigration is helping Germany's far right movement? Do you see Turks, Iranians, and Arabs as friends to racially aware and right wing Europeans?

Not this crap again. By the way, wasn't your participation supposed to be limited to the boxing section?

In answer to one of your "questions": Muslim immigration is indeed helping Germany's far-right movement - but not in the way you are implying... (Rebajlo shakes head...)
 

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- These Muslim immigrants are highly likely to support Germany's far right movements in the sense that both are based on anti-Semitic feelings. In this way they provide a more complimentary minority in German society, and further German anti-Jewish feelings. The author seemed to be suggesting that Germans favoured Muslim immigration because it was keeping Germany free of Jews, and Muslims were highly likely to agree with anti-Jewish views.

this is absolutely false
jews and arabs/muslims may hate eachother, but they both hate white people above all
in france we have a strong muslim population
most of them are relatively poor, and they are traditionalistic (against femenism ect)
based on this, they should vote for the front national (far right) or for UMP (right) because since they are poor, more inmigration will make them poorer
they should also vote for the right because they are against femenism ect, more traditionalist

BUT they voted massively for the communist party and for the socialists, close to 0% voted for the far right
it shows that there is NOTHING they hate more than europeans, and that they don't vote for their interests, but they vote for the interests of the inmigrants, the interests of the non-whites
 

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The author seemed to be suggesting that Germans favoured Muslim immigration because it was keeping Germany free of Jews

I'd like to see a public opinion poll on this. I don't think there's a single country in the West in which the people support Muslim or any other mass immigration.

Germany, unfortunately, did appear to support the violent Serbophobia of the 1990s and even participated in the NATO war crimes in 1999 on behalf of the terrorist Albanian 'Kosovars'. That said, I doubt the average German welcomes Bosnian Muslims and Albanians with open arms to the Fatherland itself.

The Middle East is different. In Europe the Muslims are taking advantage of our weakness but they played no part in making us weak. So when it comes to the Middle East I see nothing wrong with cheering for the Palestinians against the Israelis. I do.
 
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Not this crap again. By the way, wasn't your participation supposed to be limited to the boxing section?

Don Wassall asked me to only post in the boxing forum for a period of one year, which I have completed. So, now I am able to post in this forum. Keep in mind I also had an account "BoxingSpecialist" before this one, and in that account I would have been a member for more than 1.5 years. So I have met his request!

I don't post very often and my posts are not meant to offend anyone. I don't mean to be rude, but if my posts bother you you always have the option of ignoring me or not posting in them. I really don't mean to start a fight. Rather I would encourage, civil, friendly discussion.

I enjoy this site and I have learned so much from it. I still continue to learn more as I go along. I do believe in discussing my opinions and even on a site like this, despite that we all agree on core principles, we may have small disagreements on other issues (such as this).

That's perfectly fine, and we can agree to disagree politely in such cases! :)
 
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I'd like to see a public opinion poll on this. I don't think there's a single country in the West in which the people support Muslim or any other mass immigration.

Well, I'm just reiterating what the author said. He seemed to be implying that Germans preferred Muslim immigrants over other immigrants, because they furthered an anti-Jewish agenda which might have appeased some Germans. That was a point the author made.

Personally I do see some truth in that point.

Germany, unfortunately, did appear to support the violent Serbophobia of the 1990s and even participated in the NATO war crimes in 1999 on behalf of the terrorist Albanian 'Kosovars'. That said, I doubt the average German welcomes Bosnian Muslims and Albanians with open arms to the Fatherland itself.

Yes, Germany took a pro-Muslim approach in the recent Yugoslav crisis, and that is why Germans are considered as saviours to many Bosniaks, Albanians, and Kosovars. Of course, as with any war, there are a lot of complications and different people have different accounts of what happened.

I personally know of *many* Bosniaks who are living in Germany, moved there to rebuild their lives after the war or being displaced, and they get a long very well in German society. It seems to be a good fit, and I have heard nothing but great things from these white Muslims about living in Germany.

Another interesting point is that Germany has traditionally always had great relations with white Muslims. Many Bosniaks fought and died alongside with the Nazis in World War 2, and of course, Nazis were allied with Turkish Muslims and some Arab Muslims as well.

I have also read that Hitler is known to have idolized Iran and Iranians, having a very strong relationship with the ruler of that country at the time. Of course the word "Aryan" literally means Iran and referring to those who come from Iran.

So when it comes to the Middle East I see nothing wrong with cheering for the Palestinians against the Israelis. I do.

Nice to hear you say that. I also fully support Arabs against Jews. Hopefully more people on this site would also feel this way :)
 
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this is absolutely false
jews and arabs/muslims may hate eachother, but they both hate white people above all
in france we have a strong muslim population
most of them are relatively poor, and they are traditionalistic (against femenism ect)
based on this, they should vote for the front national (far right) or for UMP (right) because since they are poor, more inmigration will make them poorer
they should also vote for the right because they are against femenism ect, more traditionalist

BUT they voted massively for the communist party and for the socialists, close to 0% voted for the far right
it shows that there is NOTHING they hate more than europeans, and that they don't vote for their interests, but they vote for the interests of the inmigrants, the interests of the non-whites

Well, my friend, I think you are making the mistake of likening Germany's Muslims to France's Muslims.

Let me explain:

Muslim immigrants in France are either North African Arabs, or Black Africans. Majority of France's Muslims are Algerian, Moroccan, Tunisian, or they are simply black from all over Africa. There are very few, say white Muslims, or true Middle Eastern Muslims in France.

Muslim immigrants in Germany are generally Turkish. There are also notable communities that are Bosniak (white Muslim), Russian (white Muslim), Iranians, or Arabs from places like Iraq, Syria, Jordan etc.

Yes there are some exceptions but for the most part German Muslims are MIDDLE EASTERN and French Muslims are AFRICAN. You see the difference in that?

Having said that, there is some truth to what you're saying. I live in Canada and most often I see the Muslims here voting in favour of "Liberal" or slightly left wing policies. I think this is due to ignorance (perhaps Muslims don't realize they are in fact voting in support of non traditional gender, marriage, sexual roles), as well the right wing here in Canada actually fully supports Israel, so why would Muslims support Conservatives in Canada when these right wingers consistently support Israeli war crimes?

Seeing right wing whites support Israel really just makes me want to vomit. This is the case in Canada, and given that, you can see why Muslims wouldn't vote Conservative in Canada. Its quite possibly the most confused, self-harming, ignorant political position Ive ever seen.

On the other hand, I firmly believe that in Germany, Turks and Iranians would largely support the right wing movement and carry on antiJewish feeling where some Germans have left off.
 

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I live in Canada and most often I see the Muslims here voting in favour of "Liberal" or slightly left wing policies. I think this is due to ignorance (perhaps Muslims don't realize they are in fact voting in support of non traditional gender, [COLOR=#009900 !important]marriage[/COLOR], sexual roles), as well the right wing here in Canada actually fully supports Israel, so why would Muslims support Conservatives in Canada when these right wingers consistently support Israeli war crimes?

It seems to have worked out well for the Conservative Party as the Jewish population is no longer throwing all its weight behind the Liberals.

From my time in Canada I wrote the following back in 2006 on this very topic:

http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/jews_and_the_canadian_conservative_party/
 

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why would Muslims support Conservatives in Canada when these right wingers consistently support Israeli war crimes?

i don't know about canada, i gess that it's like USA where you only have 2 parties
in france we have many parties, and instead of voting for the far right (which is strongly linked with antisemitism), they chose to vote for the left and the communist party
it's impossible to explain this vote with sociological or economic reasons, a white and non-muslim equivalent population (poor, traditionalist) would have voted for the front national



Yes there are some exceptions but for the most part German Muslims are MIDDLE EASTERN and French Muslims are AFRICAN. You see the difference in that?

i have a question
if you ask to the muslims in germany whether or not they want to allow african inmigrants (especially muslim inmigrants, from morocco algeria ect) to come in germany
what would they answer?
i think that they would agree to let more african muslim come in

you hate jews, but it's exactly what they did
they were basically the only non-whites in europe, the only semites
so they pushed inmigration, so that they wouldn't feel so different
it's the same with arabs/muslims
 

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For the most part, it seems Muslims in Germany get a long very well with the Native, white Christian population and that`s amazing.

Yeah........right

I would be interested in seeing the racial composition of right wing party members and voters in Germany, and how Muslim immigration helps that)
99.9% White, 80%+ East German. Muslims are not helping at all.

Just to clarify a few things:
1. Muslims hate Jews. Jews hate Muslims. So far, so good. But what you must remember is that Turks also hate Arabs, Arabs hate Persians and so…..they really can’t stand each other, but ultimately they will stick together against the native population. If Muslims vote, they will either vote for the social democrats or the green party, due to the fact that these parties will give them free stuff and special rights.
2. In Germany Turks support Nationalism. But of course not German Nationalism, but Turkish Nationalism; just search for "Grey Wolves". Supporting German Nationalism would mean (for them) to support evil German Nazis. Turks in Germany are hardly anything else than the fifth column of Turkey on european soil
3. These infamous “White” Muslims as you called them will always pick the side of their brothers and sisters in faith and never the side of White Europeans.
By the way, could you please post an link to the article ?
 
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By the way, could you please post an link to the article ?

Yes, I apologize for not posting the article earlier, here it is:

http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/antiholo/germany.html

Its entitled "A Gentile's View of Today's Germany" and its claimed to have been written by a Gentile (Christian), white, blond haired German man named "William Grim". I'm not sure I believe that. If he really is a Gentile, he is seriously brainwashed and guilt ridden. The Cultural Marxists have done quite a bang up job on him. He radiates white guilt, and just epitomizes current white Liberal feeling. Its actually disgusting.

This white man is full of self hatred. He's actually biased against his own race and ethnicity.

Some of the key points he brings up in the article is that from his own Gentile point of view, there still exists a subculture of anti-Jewish feeling in a lot of white Germans today. He also argues that Muslim immigration is a REPRESENTATION of Anti-Jewishness in that he feels Turks, Arabs, and Iranians are likely to engage in Anti-Jewish activity and perhaps Muslim extremism.

He says that Germans have effectively replaced unwanted Jews in Germany, with a minority that is likely to harbour similar anti-Jewish and pro-Nazi feelings (Muslims).

From my own perspective, I have to agree in the sense that it is absolutely true that Muslims detest Jews, it is also true that Hitler and his policies are seen as a heroic by many Muslims. Hitler is celebrated in the Arab World because of his ideas and policies. White Muslims from former Yugoslavia were key allies to Hitler, so generally speaking I'd say the German far right has always had good relations with Muslims.


Some people might say that white Muslims supported Nazis for their own gain (white Muslims were unhappy with the situation in that time Yugoslavia and wanted more power or even independence), and yes to a degree that is true.

But it's also true to say that white Muslims supported Nazis for other reasons, namely, a dislike and distrust of Jews, as well as other conservative principles.

1. Muslims hate Jews. Jews hate Muslims. So far, so good. But what you must remember is that Turks also hate Arabs, Arabs hate Persians and so…..they really can’t stand each other, but ultimately they will stick together against the native population. If Muslims vote, they will either vote for the social democrats or the green party, due to the fact that these parties will give them free stuff and special rights.

Turks, Arabs, and Persians don't hate each other. There are some cultural differences, and yes there have been some military conflicts, but "hate" is a strong word. I wouldn't say that these groups hate each other at all.

It is highly natural that Muslims would vote in their own self interest. These people are minorities in many countries so on a level you can see why they would support different parties.

Personally I feel that through education and cooperation, many of these Muslims would vote right wing. German right wing members have staged pro Iran rallies and I actually think that's amazing. What an amazing step in the right direction.

European - Middle Eastern bonds are extremely resourceful and make sense for both sides. I can only hope this cooperation is seen by other conservative whites.


2. In Germany Turks support Nationalism. But of course not German Nationalism, but Turkish Nationalism; just search for "Grey Wolves". Supporting German Nationalism would mean (for them) to support evil German Nazis. Turks in Germany are hardly anything else than the fifth column of Turkey on european soil

Yes, multiculturalism is never without problems, and yes there have been some differences between Turkish immigrants in Germany with the Native Germans. By and large however, and compared to USA, Canada, or other European countries, I would say that the German version of Multiculturalism is superior.

Definitely MUSLIMS are a better minority than JEWS (hopefully we can agree on that?)

3. These infamous “White” Muslims as you called them will always pick the side of their brothers and sisters in faith and never the side of White Europeans.
By the way, could you please post an link to the article ?

I am a white Muslim and I can tell you rest assured my loyalty lies with Caucasians, that is Europeans and Middle Easterners. I don't practice my religion at all, and my loyalties are ethnic-based.

As a white Muslim, I can also tell you rest assured that Turks, Persians, and Arabs dont hate white people. Actually as a white man, I command a tremendous amount of respect with these people. Truthfully I am treated better by Middle Easterners than my own race. This is no doubt because many whites are liberal and self hating.

Ive dated many Persian and Arab women and trust me when I say these people dont hate Europeans or whites. Quite the opposite actually, you will find they are extremely welcoming to you.

Middle Easterners have no self hate, are extremely conservative, and correctly shun black people and Jews in their societies. Actually they stand as a good example for conservative whites, in my opinion.

As a white man, Ive had many Middle Eastern girlfriends and I can tell you with absolute honesty that these people are welcoming to you as a white person.
 
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Welcoming? Yeah if you're a naive 16 year old schoolgirl and as to Muslims hating blacks they've shown immense capacity to work with them if it means attacking whites.
 
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Welcoming? Yeah if you're a naive 16 year old schoolgirl and as to Muslims hating blacks they've shown immense capacity to work with them if it means attacking whites.

I have never seen any instance of a Middle Eastern collaborating with a Negro to harm a white person. I would ask you to give me some examples of that?

Granted, some Arabs are anti-white, but in my opinion, they're in the vast minority, and they are mostly concentrated in North African countries (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia), NOT Middle Eastern countries.

Fair enough, youre entitled to your own opinion, but I fully agree with the position of German far right. They have supported Iran and Middle Easterners in the past and I think that's just absolutely amazing. I am in full agreement with the German far right position.

The article talks about how German far right members have staged "Pro Iran" rallies and "Pro Arab" rallies and I think thats amazing, and a step in the right direction for conservative and right wing Europeans.

Middle Easterners have no self hate, are extremely conservative, and correctly shun black people and Jews in their societies. Actually they stand as a good example for conservative whites, in my opinion.

German far rights obviously see that and correctly, support Middle Easterners with rallies.

Two Big thumps up for the far right in Germany :)
 
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I don't give two ****s who supported the Nazis, the Serbs didn't support them and if given the choice between Serbs or some culturally backward "Muslim European" nation I'd side with the Serbs everytime.
 
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culturally backward "Muslim European" nation I'd side with the Serbs everytime.

What's so culturally backwards about Muslims?

There is no feminism, there is no no-fault divorce, there is no homosexuality, Jews and blacks are correctly shunned from positions of power in the Arab World.

Actually, I'd say Middle Easterners can stand as a good example for how whites should be behaving.

The only "backwards" culture I can think of is white Liberal, self hating, pro feminist, pro black culture.

I'll take Muslim culture over that type of Liberal white culture anyday!

German far right members understand this and accordingly support Middle Easterners. I was filled with pride to learn of that.
 

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jews have pushed muslim inmigration in european coutries to destroy these countries, so that there are no longer white countries
they started to realise that it could be dangerous for them to have muslim people here, but they are working on the problem, and to them having muslims around them is better than living in a white country

right now, they are paying imams in european countries, like england, so that the next generation of muslims will be jewish-friendly, like the muslims always were
when the moors (arabs) invaded spain, the jews helped them to defeat the whites
it was the golden age for them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_age_of_Jewish_culture_in_Spain

in france an organisation was created by the jew sarkozy to pacify the muslims: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Council_of_the_Muslim_Faith

they know the problem, but they agree that for both of them, the most important thing is to defeat the evil white nazi

see this short movie which summarizes perfectly the problem:

[video=youtube_share;4RXgTnWJSmQ]http://youtu.be/4RXgTnWJSmQ[/video]
 

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I'll take Muslim culture over that type of Liberal white culture anyday!
Please tell me that you are joking. While I can understand your rejection of the modernist values that mentioned before (Feminism etc.), I don’t see how one can praise Islam as an alternative. They earned the name “Ragheads†for good reasons. Islam and its customs were always completely alien to Europeans.
It is highly natural that Muslims would vote in their own self interest.
I don't mind! As long as they do it in their own goddamn country and not in mine.
Yes, multiculturalism is never without problems, and yes there have been some differences between Turkish immigrants in Germany with the Native Germans.
Some ? I think you haven’t got the faintest idea what you are actually talking about. They lie, they cheat, they murder, they loot, they rape, like it is their god given right to do so, and even after that they still constantly complain about racism against them (!) how unfair they are treated here. These people always demand “respect†– for what exactly? – And do you think they would ever respect a native ? Our elders? Our woman? They came here uninvited as economic migrants, and now that they have decided to stay they will stay as conquerors, with the friendly assistance of the Turkish government.
Trust me on this one; I know what I am talking about.
I would say that the German version of Multiculturalism is superior.
It’s still DOA.
Definitely MUSLIMS are a better minority than JEWS (hopefully we can agree on that?)
I am pretty much satisfied with our own: Sorbs, Danes, and Frisians. No need for Jews or Third Worlders.
They have supported Iran and Middle Easterners in the past and I think that's just absolutely amazing. I am in full agreement with the German far right position.
[FONT=&amp]Care to explain why you think that is? Because I can’t really see the necessity for my country to support either the Iranians/Palestinians or Israel. They have nothing that we want, and an alliance with one of these sides will only get you into trouble. And as for the “German Rightâ€; they only support Iran and the Arabs because they are enemies of Israel, but at the same time they are actually against Arabs and Muslims living in Germany. And just for the record, these guys don’t really care if the Muslims living in Germany are Anti-Semitic or not, the simply want them out of the country[/FONT]
 

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They came here uninvited as economic migrants, and now that they have decided to stay they will stay as conquerors, with the friendly assistance of the Turkish government.

how does the turkish state assist them?
and didn't they come to germany to work, invited by the companies?
it was this way in france at first
 

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how does the turkish state assist them?
and didn't they come to germany to work, invited by the companies?
it was this way in france at first

I think he means the state invited them without the consent of the governed. Much like how American lawmakers keep wanting to bring Mexicans over despite their constituents wishes. If the government demands you let someone stay in your house that doesn't make them invited.
 
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The plan by the europeans to replace jews with moslems is not working out. It is time for the moslems to go.
 

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Pointless thread. The german right movement is based on getting rid of the muslims. The muslims in germany are the same as the negros in the US. Ive been living in germany for ten years now. The muslims here are absolutely despicable and contribute only to the dumbing down of society.

Ive had a few muslim women, however they always require shaving of arms, faces and backs in order to appear sufficiently feminine ( im not a fan of bearded women).


Ive had plenty of street fights with muslim "men", they only like to fight in groups. I love getting some turk on his own without his homies. Being 6" 5 and 285 lbs and with my boxing background its pretty funny to watch their fake machismo ( like that of the american negro) disappear .
 

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how does the turkish state assist them?
and didn't they come to germany to work, invited by the companies?
it was this way in france at first
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millî_Görüş
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish-Islamic_Union_for_Religious_Affairs
http://www.spiegel.de/international...t-also-part-of-our-great-turkey-a-748070.html
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Europäisch-Türkischer_Demokraten

I will try to find some more later , but I fear that most articles will be in German.
These people came here in the mid/late sixties at the request of the Turkish government. That one asked the native population, I think that goes without saying. At the time they started to pour into the country, it was practically rebuilt, the economy thriving and unemployment was not a problem at all, but at the same time the economy had no real use for an extra share of workers, so they were used for lowering wages. Oddly enough, I have met several Turks that really believe that they have rebuilt this country after the Second World War, and they are 100% serious about it.
 
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