I've been reading post on this site for a couple of years now. There are some really great post by a select group of people. I can tell a whole lot of research and time have gone into theses post, but the bottom line is; nothing has or will ever change. Great white athletes will continue to get screwed, and will continue to settle for table scraps. Everybody keeps waiting for the new white messiah of football to come along, and then gets all pissed when it doesn't happen. I don't know what bothers me the most. White athletes who take all this without even a whisper of a protest, or the white media who perpetuate the situation by their constant putting down of white athletes by using code words that any idiot can see through. This whole situation reminds me of the jeremiah wright controversy. The media doesn't see the big deal about what he says because they agree with him. The sports gurus don't see anything wrong with the way white athletes are treated because they agree with it. Nothing will ever change as long as white athletes take it without a protest, fans don't raise hell, and the media totally ignores it. I've said this in previous post, and will say it again and again. White have been operating in a guilt mode for about thirty years. Letting blacks dominate sports somehow makes them feel better about things that happened 150 years ago. I know some of you will say that blacks don't dominate sports, and to that I would say. If we didn't feel this way there would be no need for this web site. This year's draft is the same as it will be in 2009, 2010, 2011 ect.We'll get all excited about another great white athlete only to see him get screwed again. This is why I haven't watched the NFL in about 25 years and probably never will again.
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GiovaniMarcon
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Well, to use an old cliche, the world is always changing, whether we want it to or not.
Whether that change is for the better or worse if really up to the people in it.
Certainly these are tough times. At the end of the day, even though people become very passionate about it, football really is just football.
My personal life or personal sense of self-worth doesn't rise or fall one iota if the Colts win or lose the Super Bowl.
I don't feel any better as a person if I [re]watch Sebastian Coe run 1:41 in an 800 meter race.
Sports at the end of the day, at a face value level, are just fun and games.
Or rather, they would be, if the elites in charge of our media and perhaps society as a whole weren't determined to prostitute what should be something that everyone should be a part of and enjoy and turn it into a propaganda tool to constantly make white men feel worthless.
So in that sense, my personal sense of self-worth does become affected if the Colts win or lose the Super Bowl, because they symbolize a greater struggle for the white race even outside of sports.
It's so obvious that what we are told -- and what is actually true -- are two very different things.
We are told that whites are racist, egotistical, hateful, bad, mean, sexist, insecure, slow, stupid...
These are exactly the things other people -- other groups -- feel and fear about themselves, and they project them onto us.
White men have NOTHING TO PROVE.
We have built massive monuments, written soul-wrenching symphonies and literary works, conquered deserts, vast wastelands, the oceans, endless tracts of land, the farthest reaches of space.
Has there EVER... UNDERLINE THE WORD EVER... been another race of men who looked to the vast sky and built a way to get there, and beyond it?
Has there EVER been a race -- other than white -- of men who strapped themselves into a rocket to the moon, knowing full well that odds were even that they would DIE -- for the sake of exploration and intellectual curiosity?
Yet, we are worthless.
I used to buy into all the liberal garbage told to me by my professors in college.
Not anymore.
I'm 24 and I'm awake now.
Don't worry, Mark B.
I'm not the only one waking up. Change takes time. We have it.
Whether that change is for the better or worse if really up to the people in it.
Certainly these are tough times. At the end of the day, even though people become very passionate about it, football really is just football.
My personal life or personal sense of self-worth doesn't rise or fall one iota if the Colts win or lose the Super Bowl.
I don't feel any better as a person if I [re]watch Sebastian Coe run 1:41 in an 800 meter race.
Sports at the end of the day, at a face value level, are just fun and games.
Or rather, they would be, if the elites in charge of our media and perhaps society as a whole weren't determined to prostitute what should be something that everyone should be a part of and enjoy and turn it into a propaganda tool to constantly make white men feel worthless.
So in that sense, my personal sense of self-worth does become affected if the Colts win or lose the Super Bowl, because they symbolize a greater struggle for the white race even outside of sports.
It's so obvious that what we are told -- and what is actually true -- are two very different things.
We are told that whites are racist, egotistical, hateful, bad, mean, sexist, insecure, slow, stupid...
These are exactly the things other people -- other groups -- feel and fear about themselves, and they project them onto us.
White men have NOTHING TO PROVE.
We have built massive monuments, written soul-wrenching symphonies and literary works, conquered deserts, vast wastelands, the oceans, endless tracts of land, the farthest reaches of space.
Has there EVER... UNDERLINE THE WORD EVER... been another race of men who looked to the vast sky and built a way to get there, and beyond it?
Has there EVER been a race -- other than white -- of men who strapped themselves into a rocket to the moon, knowing full well that odds were even that they would DIE -- for the sake of exploration and intellectual curiosity?
Yet, we are worthless.
I used to buy into all the liberal garbage told to me by my professors in college.
Not anymore.
I'm 24 and I'm awake now.
Don't worry, Mark B.
I'm not the only one waking up. Change takes time. We have it.
Mark,
Your cynicism is well founded. The only possible way to overthrow the Caste System is for the handful of white players, both active and retired, who are universally respected by the jock-sniffers in the media and their black peers (Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Joe Montana, Mike Ditka, Howie Long, Dick Butkus- can't think of many others), to publicly comment on the obvious discrimination against white players. I used to think that it might spark a real debate if only one of these men spoke out, but I now feel that it would probably take all of them in conjunction doing it.
The real problem is that almost everyone supports the Caste System. This includes most whites who truly dislike blacks, They should theoretically be the easiest ones to convert, so if they're sold on the "blacks are natural athletes" nonsense, what chance do we have with more "tolerant" whites? Now, if you could somehow convince them that black athletes are trying to stop them from drinking their precious beer, you might have a chance.
Then there is the problem with the white athletes themselves. THEY appear to be completely sold on the Caste System. If THEY won't protest against the system that is clearly denying them a fair opportunity, then who will? Luke Staley should have lambasted the entire NFL, after the treatment he received. He should have cited the same facts that one can find on this site, about previous Doak Walker Award winners. Mike Hass should have done the same thing, the moment he was inexplicably cut by the Saints. Needless to say, with what Jack Del Rio and his nearly all black team have put Matt Jones through, almost anything Jones said or did in retaliation would be justified. But, Staley, Hass, Jones, Standeford, etc., are all silent. In all reality, they probably wouldn't have anywhere to go with their complaints, anyhow. The mainstream media is completely controlled by the same forces who instituted the Caste System and desperately desire it to continue.
Our worst enemies, however, are the white ex-players who were victimized by the Caste System, then landed cushy jobs in the media after retiring. Merrill Hoge was fond of quoting the Steelers' coach who told him point blank, "you're not the right color to be running back," yet he is one of the most obnoxious cheerleaders one can find for the Caste System in his well-paid role of talking head on ESPN. Tom Waddle is now a regular on the NFL Network; from what I've seen of him, he appears to be another typical pro-black media jock-sniffer. With the odds he faced as a white WR, his observations could be invaluable, but like Hoge, he will almost certainly just parrot the party line. If we can't get the victims of discrimination to accept that they were discriminated against, let alone have the courage to object, all our clever and insightful posts on this forum are meaningless.
I know this all sounds pretty negative, but I don't know how one cannot be negative, given the reality of the situation.
Your cynicism is well founded. The only possible way to overthrow the Caste System is for the handful of white players, both active and retired, who are universally respected by the jock-sniffers in the media and their black peers (Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Joe Montana, Mike Ditka, Howie Long, Dick Butkus- can't think of many others), to publicly comment on the obvious discrimination against white players. I used to think that it might spark a real debate if only one of these men spoke out, but I now feel that it would probably take all of them in conjunction doing it.
The real problem is that almost everyone supports the Caste System. This includes most whites who truly dislike blacks, They should theoretically be the easiest ones to convert, so if they're sold on the "blacks are natural athletes" nonsense, what chance do we have with more "tolerant" whites? Now, if you could somehow convince them that black athletes are trying to stop them from drinking their precious beer, you might have a chance.
Then there is the problem with the white athletes themselves. THEY appear to be completely sold on the Caste System. If THEY won't protest against the system that is clearly denying them a fair opportunity, then who will? Luke Staley should have lambasted the entire NFL, after the treatment he received. He should have cited the same facts that one can find on this site, about previous Doak Walker Award winners. Mike Hass should have done the same thing, the moment he was inexplicably cut by the Saints. Needless to say, with what Jack Del Rio and his nearly all black team have put Matt Jones through, almost anything Jones said or did in retaliation would be justified. But, Staley, Hass, Jones, Standeford, etc., are all silent. In all reality, they probably wouldn't have anywhere to go with their complaints, anyhow. The mainstream media is completely controlled by the same forces who instituted the Caste System and desperately desire it to continue.
Our worst enemies, however, are the white ex-players who were victimized by the Caste System, then landed cushy jobs in the media after retiring. Merrill Hoge was fond of quoting the Steelers' coach who told him point blank, "you're not the right color to be running back," yet he is one of the most obnoxious cheerleaders one can find for the Caste System in his well-paid role of talking head on ESPN. Tom Waddle is now a regular on the NFL Network; from what I've seen of him, he appears to be another typical pro-black media jock-sniffer. With the odds he faced as a white WR, his observations could be invaluable, but like Hoge, he will almost certainly just parrot the party line. If we can't get the victims of discrimination to accept that they were discriminated against, let alone have the courage to object, all our clever and insightful posts on this forum are meaningless.
I know this all sounds pretty negative, but I don't know how one cannot be negative, given the reality of the situation.
Thrashen
Hall of Famer
Brilliant posts, all three of you.
All of your thoughts and sentiments truely mirror my own. I think we're all in agreement that we (white men) have very, very few people in our corner. I think we're all in agreement that sports are beyond trivial....however, atheltics always seem to be a certain representation of our society. In the grand scheme of the world, of america, of your life...the NFL, NBA, Eurocup, MLB, NHL, etc. mean absolutely nothing. For god's sake, entertainment was INVENTED by the powers-that-be to keep our minds FROM THINKING. They're afraid that if too many previously emasculated men (mostly white and asian) start thinking the way we do here at CF....they might have a huge problem on their hands.
I'm 22, and my eyes have been open for 10 years. I must admit, I don't frequent this website for sports alone. I come here with the hope that maybe I'm not just crazy...that maybe everyone and everything isn't totally f*cked. I read posts like the ones above, and I know that men like me really do exist. The problem, I guess, is changing a nation (and world) of brainwashed, emasculated "white boys" back into the men their ancestors used to be...
All of your thoughts and sentiments truely mirror my own. I think we're all in agreement that we (white men) have very, very few people in our corner. I think we're all in agreement that sports are beyond trivial....however, atheltics always seem to be a certain representation of our society. In the grand scheme of the world, of america, of your life...the NFL, NBA, Eurocup, MLB, NHL, etc. mean absolutely nothing. For god's sake, entertainment was INVENTED by the powers-that-be to keep our minds FROM THINKING. They're afraid that if too many previously emasculated men (mostly white and asian) start thinking the way we do here at CF....they might have a huge problem on their hands.
I'm 22, and my eyes have been open for 10 years. I must admit, I don't frequent this website for sports alone. I come here with the hope that maybe I'm not just crazy...that maybe everyone and everything isn't totally f*cked. I read posts like the ones above, and I know that men like me really do exist. The problem, I guess, is changing a nation (and world) of brainwashed, emasculated "white boys" back into the men their ancestors used to be...
PhillyBirds
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Can that go on the front page somewhere???
The board is for that type of post, but anyone here can write articles for the homepage, ordevelop individual posts into articles. More volunteer reporters and commentators would help boost the site and its exposure.
White Shogun
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I think an overlooked problem some white athletes might have in complaining about the system is that, if the system is seen as discriminatory, they will no longer be seen as supermen.
Think about it. If everyone 'knows' that whites are inferior athletes to blacks, then for those white athletes who DO make it, how much better are they than the other members of their race, and better even than some blacks?
The caste system itself feeds into the egos of the white superstar athletes, making them feel even greater than they actually are or were because they are so much better than people expected for them to be.
If someone like Luke Staley or Matt Jones complained about discrimination against white athletes, they would be turned into a laughing stock. Every short run or fumble or dropped pass would be highlighted over and over, their coaches and teammates would go public and disclose all these 'personality' problems they brought to the locker room, how some of their teammates even heard them use the 'N' word, and their careers would be over. And probably any meaningful career they might have back home. Who's going to want some washed up, no good, white racist athlete who couldn't cut it selling insurance or automobiles for their company?
Not only that, the backlash against other up and coming white players would be tremendous. If any white player ever speaks out in a meaningful way, you can bet that the criticisms and idiotic racist statements used against white athletes would then be increased tenfold. There would be even less white players at the so-called skill positions than there are now.
The reaction among white players after this coming out would be to be even more self-loathing than they already are. They'd run over each other being the first to disavow whatever was said by the white athlete who complained, they'd be even more subservient about losing their spot on the starting roster, and of course once they made it they would see themselves as really uber superstar athletes because now THEY made it over even MORE overwhelming odds!
Think about it. If everyone 'knows' that whites are inferior athletes to blacks, then for those white athletes who DO make it, how much better are they than the other members of their race, and better even than some blacks?
The caste system itself feeds into the egos of the white superstar athletes, making them feel even greater than they actually are or were because they are so much better than people expected for them to be.
If someone like Luke Staley or Matt Jones complained about discrimination against white athletes, they would be turned into a laughing stock. Every short run or fumble or dropped pass would be highlighted over and over, their coaches and teammates would go public and disclose all these 'personality' problems they brought to the locker room, how some of their teammates even heard them use the 'N' word, and their careers would be over. And probably any meaningful career they might have back home. Who's going to want some washed up, no good, white racist athlete who couldn't cut it selling insurance or automobiles for their company?
Not only that, the backlash against other up and coming white players would be tremendous. If any white player ever speaks out in a meaningful way, you can bet that the criticisms and idiotic racist statements used against white athletes would then be increased tenfold. There would be even less white players at the so-called skill positions than there are now.
The reaction among white players after this coming out would be to be even more self-loathing than they already are. They'd run over each other being the first to disavow whatever was said by the white athlete who complained, they'd be even more subservient about losing their spot on the starting roster, and of course once they made it they would see themselves as really uber superstar athletes because now THEY made it over even MORE overwhelming odds!
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The other day I checked out ESPN.COM to see how they were covering the draft. Not to my surprise they had a photo of cheering wimpy, fat, pale, loser white guys who's pathetic lives revolve around which players where picked for thier teams. In this case all of these poor excuses for white men were wearing Eagles jerseys.
As members have mentioned, its going to take the white stars of the league with the white skill players(rookies) who are routinely f..ked to speak up. These players should compare football to baseball the same way black players say that there is a 'crisis' due to the lack of blacks playing in the majors.
These white mean should say there is a 'crisis' in the NFL due to the reduced members of whites playing. What goes around goes around. These men must have profiles in courage in exposing the racism against whites. I doubt they will in the next couple of years. But I do believe thier will be a breaking point. And this movement will make its move.
The villians like I have said before are the GMs and white head coaches who ultimately make the decisions on who makes the team and who plays, end of story.
As members have mentioned, its going to take the white stars of the league with the white skill players(rookies) who are routinely f..ked to speak up. These players should compare football to baseball the same way black players say that there is a 'crisis' due to the lack of blacks playing in the majors.
These white mean should say there is a 'crisis' in the NFL due to the reduced members of whites playing. What goes around goes around. These men must have profiles in courage in exposing the racism against whites. I doubt they will in the next couple of years. But I do believe thier will be a breaking point. And this movement will make its move.
The villians like I have said before are the GMs and white head coaches who ultimately make the decisions on who makes the team and who plays, end of story.
Bear Backer
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The coming economic collapse will dissolve this NFL caste system quite nicely and at this point I believe it is the only thing that will. When Joe Sixpack is hungry and not able put food on his family's table, let alone swill his beer and pay his cable bill, this whole negro male athlete worhip is going to seem even more ridiculous than it already is. His hunger and troubles are going to make all that guilt go out of the window very quickly. It is the middle and upper middle class whites that are keeping professional sports afloat in this country right now. The usually white collar suburbanite with a wife, a couple of kids and cars in his comfortable little house on a culdesac with his 2 car garage,his manicured lawn and his little stock portfolio.
When Joe has his fill and either turns off the game and stops buying tickets out of necessity or anger, the NFL will have to change its tune or face folding. During the great depression, MLB was hit very hard by the country's economic woes with attendance figures being down 1/3 across the boards. That will be no different, but this time around for the country's new most popular sport the NFL, the league won't even represent the average Joe Sixpack white man like baseball did during the 1930's. When he is struggling just to make ends meet and he sees these gold toothed prancing thugs running around making millions of dollars, acting like clowns with his arms wrapped around some pretty blond he is going to get a belly fully very quickly.
I have all but given up hope that the NFL caste system can be changed from within the sport. It is pretty apparent to me like others have stated in this thread that a majority of the fortunate whites who are allowed to play are perfectly ok with the caste. White Shogun hit the nail on the head in my book when he mentioned that the caste system feeds the ego of the select few white players who are allowed to share a place with the leagues Magic Negro Affletes. There can be no other explanation why guys like Merrill Hoge who faced enormous amounts of discrimination within their own organizations become whores for the caste. Their success in a black dominated game is their meal ticket and they are not going to buck that system under any circumstance. It is one of the little reasons I lose more respect every year for the NFL and white athletes in the caste. I have been in the process for about the last 5 years of slowly weaing myself off of pro football and shifting my focus to the local highschool scene where white players are still given an opportunity to compete and excel. When the 2006 Bears made the Superbowl, it was of as little importance to me as if I had just won a game of pool or something, compared to the almost euphoria I felt in 85 when the Bears won or in later in 88 when they were within one game of getting back to the Superbowl. I just don't care that much anymore, and a sizeable portion of that apathy is due to the caste.Edited by: Bear Backer
When Joe has his fill and either turns off the game and stops buying tickets out of necessity or anger, the NFL will have to change its tune or face folding. During the great depression, MLB was hit very hard by the country's economic woes with attendance figures being down 1/3 across the boards. That will be no different, but this time around for the country's new most popular sport the NFL, the league won't even represent the average Joe Sixpack white man like baseball did during the 1930's. When he is struggling just to make ends meet and he sees these gold toothed prancing thugs running around making millions of dollars, acting like clowns with his arms wrapped around some pretty blond he is going to get a belly fully very quickly.
I have all but given up hope that the NFL caste system can be changed from within the sport. It is pretty apparent to me like others have stated in this thread that a majority of the fortunate whites who are allowed to play are perfectly ok with the caste. White Shogun hit the nail on the head in my book when he mentioned that the caste system feeds the ego of the select few white players who are allowed to share a place with the leagues Magic Negro Affletes. There can be no other explanation why guys like Merrill Hoge who faced enormous amounts of discrimination within their own organizations become whores for the caste. Their success in a black dominated game is their meal ticket and they are not going to buck that system under any circumstance. It is one of the little reasons I lose more respect every year for the NFL and white athletes in the caste. I have been in the process for about the last 5 years of slowly weaing myself off of pro football and shifting my focus to the local highschool scene where white players are still given an opportunity to compete and excel. When the 2006 Bears made the Superbowl, it was of as little importance to me as if I had just won a game of pool or something, compared to the almost euphoria I felt in 85 when the Bears won or in later in 88 when they were within one game of getting back to the Superbowl. I just don't care that much anymore, and a sizeable portion of that apathy is due to the caste.Edited by: Bear Backer
ToughJ.Riggins
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Here is my analysis of two ways out of the caste system:
Look at some of Tom Lemming's comments. Lemming knows there is a caste system: "Remember when no one wanted to recruit or sign a black quarterback? And if they did, he was shifted to cornerback or wide receiver. Now we have the same problem with extremely productive white running backs."
Lemming also made another comment for another investigative newspaper article; something along the lines that a talented white RB being talked about by the article most likely would have gotten a Div. I scholarship if he were black. He mentioned the stereotyping white RBs face. To paraphrase his quote it was something like "white RBs, CBs and WRs definitely in my opinion have to do more than their black peers to earn the respect of coaches, the media and fans."
But will Lemming ever go out of his way to be fair and risk being chastised by the mainstream media for having 60-70 white players in his top 100? He'd probably lose his job, be branded a fool or worse a racist. Lemming is not going to sacrifice his career by sticking to his beliefs.
I see "two ways out" of the caste system: The way that would change things the fastest would be if an already famous author like Mitch Alblum, who is very well respected as a creative writer of heart warming stories and also as a sports journalist would write a very well researched book on "the myth of black superiority in sports." He could call the book "Debunking Sports Racial Myths" and this book would have to be well researched, entertaining and not anti-black or overly taboo.
The second way is for whites to wake up to the caste system starting with the white H.S players themselves. If white RBs, WRs and CBs begin to more aggressively market themselves on Youtube it might help to wake more of the general public up. The information is out there in this information age for smart people to wake up as I have. White H.S RBs themselves, like Sam McGuffie, certainly are aware of the obstacles they face.
As blacks move up the ladder in society and reach complete equality and my generation begins to be in charge politically people may begin to question the over representation of blacks in sports as another type of affirmative action. "Is this really legitimate or necessary?" they may ask. This "societal awakening" would be accentuated if geneticists come out with studies indicating they find no clear genetic differences along racial lines that would account for the black dominance in running and in the NFL.
Lastly, the extremely talented white players such as Sam McGuffie "who actually get a shot in college" are going to have to rise above the obstacles they face and go on to dominate college football. "They are going to have to do more than their black peers at first to get a shot in the NFL; that's just the way it is."
This may wake the masses up to the clear bias in "radical black power sites" like Rival's rankings; who didn't even have Sam in the top 250, but had black nobodies such as Cameron Saddler in the top 250.
Then when a player such as Sam goes on to win the Heisman, the player himself, some journalists and maybe even famous scouts who are "a little more fair minded" like Tom Lemming after he retires may come out and make remarks about the ridiculousness of Rivals rankings and the tide may turn a little.
There is no doubt in my mind; that if Sam McGuffie goes on to win the Heisman for a huge program like Michigan with his athletic measurements that he will become the first white NFL tailback selected in the first round who will get a chance to start.
Then it will just be luck of the draw of whether he goes to a team with a good offense and o-line where a player like him could inevitably with his talent go on to make some Pro Bowls. Some fans may begin to question "if a white RB can win the Heisman and make the Pro Bowl, there must be some others that could at least contribute on the NFL level."
There are some ways out my friends of this unfortunate state of affairs we call the "caste system". Most likely the changes will happen gradually as more white players get more opportunities in college and begin to prove themselves and the culture shifts its views.
As I said the only thing that could make a drastic change rather quickly is if an author like Mitch Alblum who is already famous wrote a best selling researched book on the topic. Coaches and scouts could then cite Mitch's book to legitimize a "fair recruiting class" to "leftist media outlets" like ESPN, "Rivals" (who are so wacko they may never change), ignorant fans and the college administrative boards. Blacks would then begin to feel "less insulted" about playing behind a white RB and the last obstacle of "locker room disenchantment" affecting morale will be solved.
Look at some of Tom Lemming's comments. Lemming knows there is a caste system: "Remember when no one wanted to recruit or sign a black quarterback? And if they did, he was shifted to cornerback or wide receiver. Now we have the same problem with extremely productive white running backs."
Lemming also made another comment for another investigative newspaper article; something along the lines that a talented white RB being talked about by the article most likely would have gotten a Div. I scholarship if he were black. He mentioned the stereotyping white RBs face. To paraphrase his quote it was something like "white RBs, CBs and WRs definitely in my opinion have to do more than their black peers to earn the respect of coaches, the media and fans."
But will Lemming ever go out of his way to be fair and risk being chastised by the mainstream media for having 60-70 white players in his top 100? He'd probably lose his job, be branded a fool or worse a racist. Lemming is not going to sacrifice his career by sticking to his beliefs.
I see "two ways out" of the caste system: The way that would change things the fastest would be if an already famous author like Mitch Alblum, who is very well respected as a creative writer of heart warming stories and also as a sports journalist would write a very well researched book on "the myth of black superiority in sports." He could call the book "Debunking Sports Racial Myths" and this book would have to be well researched, entertaining and not anti-black or overly taboo.
The second way is for whites to wake up to the caste system starting with the white H.S players themselves. If white RBs, WRs and CBs begin to more aggressively market themselves on Youtube it might help to wake more of the general public up. The information is out there in this information age for smart people to wake up as I have. White H.S RBs themselves, like Sam McGuffie, certainly are aware of the obstacles they face.
As blacks move up the ladder in society and reach complete equality and my generation begins to be in charge politically people may begin to question the over representation of blacks in sports as another type of affirmative action. "Is this really legitimate or necessary?" they may ask. This "societal awakening" would be accentuated if geneticists come out with studies indicating they find no clear genetic differences along racial lines that would account for the black dominance in running and in the NFL.
Lastly, the extremely talented white players such as Sam McGuffie "who actually get a shot in college" are going to have to rise above the obstacles they face and go on to dominate college football. "They are going to have to do more than their black peers at first to get a shot in the NFL; that's just the way it is."
This may wake the masses up to the clear bias in "radical black power sites" like Rival's rankings; who didn't even have Sam in the top 250, but had black nobodies such as Cameron Saddler in the top 250.
Then when a player such as Sam goes on to win the Heisman, the player himself, some journalists and maybe even famous scouts who are "a little more fair minded" like Tom Lemming after he retires may come out and make remarks about the ridiculousness of Rivals rankings and the tide may turn a little.
There is no doubt in my mind; that if Sam McGuffie goes on to win the Heisman for a huge program like Michigan with his athletic measurements that he will become the first white NFL tailback selected in the first round who will get a chance to start.
Then it will just be luck of the draw of whether he goes to a team with a good offense and o-line where a player like him could inevitably with his talent go on to make some Pro Bowls. Some fans may begin to question "if a white RB can win the Heisman and make the Pro Bowl, there must be some others that could at least contribute on the NFL level."
There are some ways out my friends of this unfortunate state of affairs we call the "caste system". Most likely the changes will happen gradually as more white players get more opportunities in college and begin to prove themselves and the culture shifts its views.
As I said the only thing that could make a drastic change rather quickly is if an author like Mitch Alblum who is already famous wrote a best selling researched book on the topic. Coaches and scouts could then cite Mitch's book to legitimize a "fair recruiting class" to "leftist media outlets" like ESPN, "Rivals" (who are so wacko they may never change), ignorant fans and the college administrative boards. Blacks would then begin to feel "less insulted" about playing behind a white RB and the last obstacle of "locker room disenchantment" affecting morale will be solved.
I can remember listening to a radio show here in the Washington DC area called "The Sports Reporters" probably about 5-6 years ago that featured John Riggins. At the time, Riggins would come on the show just one day each week for two hours and answer questions from the show's hosts as well as from listeners who called in.
Anyway, on the particular show that I remember, host Steve Zaban (who now can be heard across the nation on Fox Radio) made a comment along the lines of "John, you wouldn't be a running back in today's NFL". Riggins definitely was surprised by the statement, and was silent, allowing Zaban to make the follow up comment of "I mean, how many white feature backs are in the NFL now?". The usually extremely talkative and opinionated Riggins made no attempt at a meaningful response.
That incident sticks in my memory to this day and is a poignant example of how much fear whites have of talking about any topic even remotely related to race.
I mean, for Riggins to not speak up for other white athletes is one thing. But, to sit quietly by while a member of the media takes a personal shot at you is a whole different story.
This situation really epitomizes the difference between how white and black athletes portray themselves. I mean, just last fall on ESPN either Keyshawn Johnson or Michael Irvin (I forgot which one) was so outraged by critical comments made about him by another black NFL receiver (I forgot who that was as well), that he literally called the player in for an interview that was shown on ESPN's Sunday Countdown show.
Joe Flacco is a man that other whites in the NFL need to learn from. Prior to the draft, Flacco unabashedly claimed that he "was the best quarterback entering the draft". He said this a number of times. And, we know what happened. Flacco went from being considered a 2nd or 3rd round pick to actually being selected number 18 overall. In fact the Ravens were so worried that he'd be taken by another team, that they traded up from pick number 26 to get him.
Tom Z exuded a similar type of confidence (recall his Combine experience) and ended up being drafted well ahead of Thorpe finalist Craig Steltz.
To elaborate on this topic, a perfect scenario this year would have been for Jordy Nelson to say "Hey, I'm the best wide receiver in this draft. I had 122 catches last season in a very good conference. Heck, check out the Kansas game film when I went head-to-head against Talib". This would have been the perfect year for him to do this, with so much confusion by the "experts" regarding who the top receivers were. Heck, Jordy very well could have been a first round pick. I even read in a column from this week's USA Today's Sports Weekly that Green Bay's pick of Jordy may turn out to be a "steal". Just last week, the pre-draft edition of the same publication listed Nelson as the 13th best receiver in the draft. Further evidence that the media has little idea of what they are discussing, they are simply sheep following the flavor of the day.
Jacob Hester could have been bolder, but I give him credit for being more vocal regarding his abilities as draft day approached. He kept saying "I'm a football player. Watch the game tape, not some time from the Combine". He wasn't even listed in USA Today's Weekly pre-draft edition last week (not even as a fullback), and ended up going number 69.
Like others on this forum, I'm really looking to Sam McGuffie to put a major dent in the Caste System. Aside from his superior skill set, he brings a confident swagger to the table that even the most ardent Caste System follower cannot ignore.
Bottom line: White players need to learn how to better promote themselves, and not be afraid to state facts. After all, Tre Smith and Kevin Harris (now at Wake Forest) both articulated their views to the media that race played a role in each player's lack of scholarship offers following each man's star-studded high school career in football-rich Florida. Neither was castigated by the media, neither had their scholarships revoked. I understand that neither player has ever been particularly well known nationwide, but my point and view here is that many whites who are afraid to speak out do so because they fear negative repercussions that ultimately will not transpire.
Last point: I even heard Michael Wilbon in an interview with Bob Costas on HBO last night say that he was tired of Tyler Hansbrough being labeled as a "hustling, overachiever instead of the athlete that he really is".
Anyway, on the particular show that I remember, host Steve Zaban (who now can be heard across the nation on Fox Radio) made a comment along the lines of "John, you wouldn't be a running back in today's NFL". Riggins definitely was surprised by the statement, and was silent, allowing Zaban to make the follow up comment of "I mean, how many white feature backs are in the NFL now?". The usually extremely talkative and opinionated Riggins made no attempt at a meaningful response.
That incident sticks in my memory to this day and is a poignant example of how much fear whites have of talking about any topic even remotely related to race.
I mean, for Riggins to not speak up for other white athletes is one thing. But, to sit quietly by while a member of the media takes a personal shot at you is a whole different story.
This situation really epitomizes the difference between how white and black athletes portray themselves. I mean, just last fall on ESPN either Keyshawn Johnson or Michael Irvin (I forgot which one) was so outraged by critical comments made about him by another black NFL receiver (I forgot who that was as well), that he literally called the player in for an interview that was shown on ESPN's Sunday Countdown show.
Joe Flacco is a man that other whites in the NFL need to learn from. Prior to the draft, Flacco unabashedly claimed that he "was the best quarterback entering the draft". He said this a number of times. And, we know what happened. Flacco went from being considered a 2nd or 3rd round pick to actually being selected number 18 overall. In fact the Ravens were so worried that he'd be taken by another team, that they traded up from pick number 26 to get him.
Tom Z exuded a similar type of confidence (recall his Combine experience) and ended up being drafted well ahead of Thorpe finalist Craig Steltz.
To elaborate on this topic, a perfect scenario this year would have been for Jordy Nelson to say "Hey, I'm the best wide receiver in this draft. I had 122 catches last season in a very good conference. Heck, check out the Kansas game film when I went head-to-head against Talib". This would have been the perfect year for him to do this, with so much confusion by the "experts" regarding who the top receivers were. Heck, Jordy very well could have been a first round pick. I even read in a column from this week's USA Today's Sports Weekly that Green Bay's pick of Jordy may turn out to be a "steal". Just last week, the pre-draft edition of the same publication listed Nelson as the 13th best receiver in the draft. Further evidence that the media has little idea of what they are discussing, they are simply sheep following the flavor of the day.
Jacob Hester could have been bolder, but I give him credit for being more vocal regarding his abilities as draft day approached. He kept saying "I'm a football player. Watch the game tape, not some time from the Combine". He wasn't even listed in USA Today's Weekly pre-draft edition last week (not even as a fullback), and ended up going number 69.
Like others on this forum, I'm really looking to Sam McGuffie to put a major dent in the Caste System. Aside from his superior skill set, he brings a confident swagger to the table that even the most ardent Caste System follower cannot ignore.
Bottom line: White players need to learn how to better promote themselves, and not be afraid to state facts. After all, Tre Smith and Kevin Harris (now at Wake Forest) both articulated their views to the media that race played a role in each player's lack of scholarship offers following each man's star-studded high school career in football-rich Florida. Neither was castigated by the media, neither had their scholarships revoked. I understand that neither player has ever been particularly well known nationwide, but my point and view here is that many whites who are afraid to speak out do so because they fear negative repercussions that ultimately will not transpire.
Last point: I even heard Michael Wilbon in an interview with Bob Costas on HBO last night say that he was tired of Tyler Hansbrough being labeled as a "hustling, overachiever instead of the athlete that he really is".
While I understand how difficult it would be for young, unproven white players to speak out about the discrimination they face, there is no excuse for extremely wealthy white ex-NFL stars to remain silent. Mike Ditka, for instance, is universally respected (and feared) by the other jock-sniffers in the media, including the black ones. If he brought this subject up, I can't see anyone labeling him a racist, at least not to his face. He certainly doesn't need any more money, even if it cost him his job.
Players who were unfairly snubbed by the system, like Luke Staley, Brock Forsey and so many others, have nothing to fear about speaking up now, either. What can they take away from them? Their presumably modest paying jobs? The career they've already been denied?
Sure, it's easy for someone like me to urge others to be bold. However, I feel that the only way to ever break the Caste System is for a well recognized figure in the field to finally provide us with a true profile in courage.
Players who were unfairly snubbed by the system, like Luke Staley, Brock Forsey and so many others, have nothing to fear about speaking up now, either. What can they take away from them? Their presumably modest paying jobs? The career they've already been denied?
Sure, it's easy for someone like me to urge others to be bold. However, I feel that the only way to ever break the Caste System is for a well recognized figure in the field to finally provide us with a true profile in courage.
FieldThrower
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Institutional insanity is the norm for today's world. On one hand, you'll see some article claiming "all human 'populations' have 99% the same DNA, so race is an more of an illusion than reality". On the other hand, literally the same people go counter to this by saying that 100m dash dominance in world track and field is justification for the NFL being 70%+ black overall, and probably over 90% on defense -- where speed is valued more than offense.
But what is the fastest (chemically-aided) black 100M time? about 9.8 seconds. The fastest by a white is 10 flat. They can use the "only 1% different" to raise blacks up in social self-esteem, but they make 2% seem like a huge margin when it comes to top-flight speed (10.00 being 102% the 9.79 WR). It's not like any NFL player runs below 10.4 anyway.
I think the people in power are well-aware of their ludicrous doctrines, but also laughing because no one can contest their monopolized media and indoc...I mean 'education' system.
Also, addressing the original poster more directly:
If players "bite the hand that feeds them", the media will destroy them and put 5 players in their place. Don't expect Brett Favre, Tom Brady, etc. to speak ill of the system that provided them with millions. It may be corrupt and unfair for white athletes as a whole, but it worked for them.
Even if they do already have millions, I doubt they'd want to risk losing opportunities to make more for a rainy day.Edited by: FieldThrower
But what is the fastest (chemically-aided) black 100M time? about 9.8 seconds. The fastest by a white is 10 flat. They can use the "only 1% different" to raise blacks up in social self-esteem, but they make 2% seem like a huge margin when it comes to top-flight speed (10.00 being 102% the 9.79 WR). It's not like any NFL player runs below 10.4 anyway.
I think the people in power are well-aware of their ludicrous doctrines, but also laughing because no one can contest their monopolized media and indoc...I mean 'education' system.
Also, addressing the original poster more directly:
If players "bite the hand that feeds them", the media will destroy them and put 5 players in their place. Don't expect Brett Favre, Tom Brady, etc. to speak ill of the system that provided them with millions. It may be corrupt and unfair for white athletes as a whole, but it worked for them.
Even if they do already have millions, I doubt they'd want to risk losing opportunities to make more for a rainy day.Edited by: FieldThrower
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LabMan
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You guys are the best!!!
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I don't see a way out of the caste system. In fact I think it is getting worse. I see and hear more and more that the average person thinks football is a black sport that only blacks can play.
InfamousOne
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I disagree Nevada. Look at basketball for what happens when a sport becomes all black (or nearly so). Ratings are down by a large margin. Its noticable by all the ads for the 76ers in philly that the NBA is losing money. They keep looking for the next Jordan (LeBron James anyone?), but what really sold Michael Jordan was that he was an opposite to whiny thugs like Allen Iverson that now represent the NBA.
The same thing will happen with football eventually. As the football players continually end up in the news for bad behavior and more reports come out that that overrated black athlete makes 18 million while joe sixpack can barely get by - it will have an affect eventually.
I also believe whites have a subconscious side to them about this, again reflected by the NBAs numbers. They are brainwashed and cant admit it, but its still there in thier reptile brain.
The same thing will happen with football eventually. As the football players continually end up in the news for bad behavior and more reports come out that that overrated black athlete makes 18 million while joe sixpack can barely get by - it will have an affect eventually.
I also believe whites have a subconscious side to them about this, again reflected by the NBAs numbers. They are brainwashed and cant admit it, but its still there in thier reptile brain.
Basketball is propped up big time by television and the newspapers. Andcorporations buy up lots of the seats to keep many arenas filled or close to it, otherwise the lack of interest in the NBA would be more noticeable than it is.
The same is true with baseball. Hype and fantasy baseball keep interest among those that would otherwise have little or no interest.
Football has been immune so far to the general decline of interest in the major sports, but how much longer? But unfortunately this is for the most part a different issue than that of the Caste System itself. The power structure is not going to voluntarily end the contrived black domination of basketball and football (and the non-white domination of baseball) any time soon. It's an integral part and parcel of the ruling system, just as much as are the anti-white policies that govern all other aspects of life in thisstricken country.
If the racial configuration of the NFL were remotely related to actual color-blind opportunity, there would be natural ebbs and flows to the racial numbers over time. There would be periods with an influx of white cornerbacks, running backs, defensive tackles, etc., and periods with more black quarterbacks, centers, kickers, etc., along with fluxations in the overall racial percentages of the players. But the NFL stays remarkably consistent year after year. The only real change is a very slight increase overa number of yearsof the percentageof black players, mostly because of more black o-linemen.Other than the o-line, the average NFL team in 2008 varies little from the average NFL team of 1998 and 1988 -- but it varies considerably from the average team from 1978, which varied from the average team from1968, which varied from the average team from 1958.
It's all so scripted and phony, but because it's totalitarian in nature (i.e.,the NFLhas no competition, whether from other football leagues or from media which aren't part of the status quo), few realize there's the same racial agenda at workin sports as there is when it comes toaffirmative action, non-white immigration policies, the systematic demeaning of white men in the media, and on and on.
Of course, we're the only"media outlet" putting two and two together, pointing out the obvious reality that "corporate sports" is part of the bigger picture of control and manipulation on behalf of globalist interests. Sports has been exempt from the scrutiny that so manyaware peoplehave given to everything else until now.Edited by: Don Wassall
The same is true with baseball. Hype and fantasy baseball keep interest among those that would otherwise have little or no interest.
Football has been immune so far to the general decline of interest in the major sports, but how much longer? But unfortunately this is for the most part a different issue than that of the Caste System itself. The power structure is not going to voluntarily end the contrived black domination of basketball and football (and the non-white domination of baseball) any time soon. It's an integral part and parcel of the ruling system, just as much as are the anti-white policies that govern all other aspects of life in thisstricken country.
If the racial configuration of the NFL were remotely related to actual color-blind opportunity, there would be natural ebbs and flows to the racial numbers over time. There would be periods with an influx of white cornerbacks, running backs, defensive tackles, etc., and periods with more black quarterbacks, centers, kickers, etc., along with fluxations in the overall racial percentages of the players. But the NFL stays remarkably consistent year after year. The only real change is a very slight increase overa number of yearsof the percentageof black players, mostly because of more black o-linemen.Other than the o-line, the average NFL team in 2008 varies little from the average NFL team of 1998 and 1988 -- but it varies considerably from the average team from 1978, which varied from the average team from1968, which varied from the average team from 1958.
It's all so scripted and phony, but because it's totalitarian in nature (i.e.,the NFLhas no competition, whether from other football leagues or from media which aren't part of the status quo), few realize there's the same racial agenda at workin sports as there is when it comes toaffirmative action, non-white immigration policies, the systematic demeaning of white men in the media, and on and on.
Of course, we're the only"media outlet" putting two and two together, pointing out the obvious reality that "corporate sports" is part of the bigger picture of control and manipulation on behalf of globalist interests. Sports has been exempt from the scrutiny that so manyaware peoplehave given to everything else until now.Edited by: Don Wassall
lumsdenpower
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the good news is that Hockey is gaining some popularity in the USA I think no?
Hockey is a great sport, with elite athlete, but elite person in first place. They are great models.
Hockey is a great sport, with elite athlete, but elite person in first place. They are great models.
Deadlift
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Don,
Those last three paragraphs are DYNAMITE!! The wording is incredible. I mean, it's tailor-fitted for a blog entry. I don't have a blog, BTW.
Those last three paragraphs are DYNAMITE!! The wording is incredible. I mean, it's tailor-fitted for a blog entry. I don't have a blog, BTW.
Field Thrower wrote: "It's not like any NFL player runs below 10.4 anyway."
I heard that Chris Johnson runs a 10.2, but that's an extreme rarity. I also heard that way back when Don Hudson ran a 9.5, 100 yard dash on the football field, though ESPN has this at 9.7. Either way, that's a 10.5 100 meter, certainly fast enough to put up HOF numbers TODAY!
Another thing, corners can't tackle. They do these gay little shoulder checks and get thrown aside. Or they won't hold their zones. Either way, a 4.5 forty guy that can tackle and play in different defenses is better than a 4.3 guy who misses tackles and goes out of position.Edited by: Freedom
I heard that Chris Johnson runs a 10.2, but that's an extreme rarity. I also heard that way back when Don Hudson ran a 9.5, 100 yard dash on the football field, though ESPN has this at 9.7. Either way, that's a 10.5 100 meter, certainly fast enough to put up HOF numbers TODAY!
Another thing, corners can't tackle. They do these gay little shoulder checks and get thrown aside. Or they won't hold their zones. Either way, a 4.5 forty guy that can tackle and play in different defenses is better than a 4.3 guy who misses tackles and goes out of position.Edited by: Freedom