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Mccain would be a disaster as president.
jaxvid said:It's not that I want to really knock the guy, I'm not a paranoid that thinks his whole campaign was a feint to draw away the hard core element, and I'll always support him because I think he is the genuine deal, however when you look at who's there now it's easy to say "WTF happened?"
jaxvid said:I feel a little cheated by the Paul campaign. I didn't send him money so he could do what's right by his Texas constituents. I wanted him to raise some hell all the way to the convention with all that cash he raked in. Great now he's going to use it to win another term as a marginalized fringe House of Representative member in Congress.
What's more irritating is his campaign effectively tied up all of the true conservative and anti-big government emotion and deflected it from working for more mainstream semi-conservatives like Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter (not that those guys are so great but would you trade them for McCain right now?).
It's not that I want to really knock the guy, I'm not a paranoid that thinks his whole campaign was a feint to draw away the hard core element, and I'll always support him because I think he is the genuine deal, however when you look at who's there now it's easy to say "WTF happened?"
Menelik said:jaxvid said:I feel a little cheated by the Paul campaign. I didn't send him money so he could do what's right by his Texas constituents. I wanted him to raise some hell all the way to the convention with all that cash he raked in. Great now he's going to use it to win another term as a marginalized fringe House of Representative member in Congress.
What's more irritating is his campaign effectively tied up all of the true conservative and anti-big government emotion and deflected it from working for more mainstream semi-conservatives like Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter (not that those guys are so great but would you trade them for McCain right now?).
It's not that I want to really knock the guy, I'm not a paranoid that thinks his whole campaign was a feint to draw away the hard core element, and I'll always support him because I think he is the genuine deal, however when you look at who's there now it's easy to say "WTF happened?"
Why Ron Lost
IMHO the best and shortest explanation on why the Ron Paul campaign shot its wadd.
White Shogun said:Menelik said:jaxvid said:I feel a little cheated by the Paul campaign. I didn't send him money so he could do what's right by his Texas constituents. I wanted him to raise some hell all the way to the convention with all that cash he raked in. Great now he's going to use it to win another term as a marginalized fringe House of Representative member in Congress.
What's more irritating is his campaign effectively tied up all of the true conservative and anti-big government emotion and deflected it from working for more mainstream semi-conservatives like Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter (not that those guys are so great but would you trade them for McCain right now?).
It's not that I want to really knock the guy, I'm not a paranoid that thinks his whole campaign was a feint to draw away the hard core element, and I'll always support him because I think he is the genuine deal, however when you look at who's there now it's easy to say "WTF happened?"
Why Ron Lost
IMHO the best and shortest explanation on why the Ron Paul campaign shot its wadd.
I disagree with the author of that commentary. There are a host of factors that prevented Paul from winning the nomination, including marginalization by the mainstream media; his age and lack of commanding demeanor; branding of Paul himself as a 'kook,' and labeling his ideas as 'fringe' and far-right or far-left wing by the media; the inability of the people at this point in the nation's history to grasp the idea of a true Constitutional form of government, including abolishment of the IRS, restoration of the gold standard, and state's rights, etc. Blaming supporters who set fund raising records is also a bit off the mark.
White Shogun said:I did not use the word 'sheeple' in my post. Straw man? It is not an insult to describe people as not having an understanding of something, if they in fact do not understand it.
However, are we talking about the same group of people? The 'sheeple' as you describe them? The people who buy a book merely because Oprah recommends it? The people who follow the every move of Britney Spears, et al?
How many of your acquaintances have ever heard of the 10th Amendment? How many people do you know that understand McCain-Feingold is a violation of the 1st Amendment?
How many know that our country actually used to have an economy based on the gold standard? How many know that *gasp* once upon a time there was no such thing as an income tax?
How many people are aware that the executive and judicial branches of our government have usurped the powers delineated to the legislative?
I know from my own experience (anecdotal evidence, yes but there it is) that many of the college educated people that I spoke with during this election cycle were unaware of many of even the most basic principles that Dr. Paul outlined in his platform. Gold standard? Fiat currency? State's rights? Whaaa....
And it isn't just the 'educated' that are allowed to vote. Every U.S. citizen is allowed to vote, regardless of their ability to understand even the most, basic, fundamental issues facing the nation.
These are the people to whom I am referring.
What's patronizing about refuting a simplistic commentary on what is obviously a multi-faceted issue? If anything, such a simplistic notion as that posted by the commenter is more patronizing than one that examines some of the relevant problems the Paul campaign faced in the primaries.
I apologize if you viewed my rebuttal of the post as a personal attack. I specifically stated in my post that my disagreement was with the viewpoints of the commenter, and not even the commenter personally.
I recommend that you listen to the Glenn Beck radio program on Friday mornings. They have a show called 'Moron Trivia' that you may find enlightening. By the way, I am not calling YOU a moron. On that show you will find examples of the kind of people I'm referring to in my post, who cannot grasp the Constitutional form of government.
It is not an insult to say people do not understand something when they do not understand it.
Menelik said:White Shogun said:So "We the people" or sheeple in your opinion can't grasp the idea of constitutional government?I'm always amazed at the patronizing comments one gets by posting an opionion on the net.
I'll be patronizing. Yes the "sheeple" DO NOT grasp constitutional government, NOT AT ALL. Apparently neither do you if you think a court decision such as McConnell vs FCC. is any kind of a true reflection of the rights of free speech as understood by the founding fathers (and common sense), when Justices Breyer, Stevens, O'Connor, Souter, and Ginsburg, join togther to pass a decision it's never good. Justice Thomas, as usual, issued a scathing and proper dissent.
jaxvid said:Menelik said:White Shogun said:So "We the people" or sheeple in your opinion can't grasp the idea of constitutional government?I'm always amazed at the patronizing comments one gets by posting an opinion on the net.
I'll be patronizing. Yes the "sheeple" DO NOT grasp constitutional government, NOT AT ALL. Apparently neither do you if you think a court decision such as McConnell vs FCC. is any kind of a true reflection of the rights of free speech as understood by the founding fathers (and common sense), when Justices Breyer, Stevens, O'Connor, Souter, and Ginsburg, join togther to pass a decision it's never good. Justice Thomas, as usual, issued a scathing and proper dissent.
So we can disregard court decisions? Take the advice you once gave a poster; "grown men don't like to be lectured to."Edited by: Menelik
Menelik said:So we can disregard court decisions? Take the advice you once gave a poster; "grown men don't like to be lectured to."
jaxvid said:What I mean is that not every decision passed down by the courts is good or "right". And those that are not should be opposed, I would imagine you agree.
jaxvid said:Menelik said:So we can disregard court decisions? Take the advice you once gave a poster; "grown men don't like to be lectured to."
....lectured to (not too) I'm sure I spelled it rightI didn't say to disregard the decision, if you do nice federal employees with guns will come and get you. What I mean is that not every decision passed down by the courts is good or "right". And those that are not should be opposed, I would imagine you agree.
Ron Paul has made the defense of the Constitution, understood strictly and as the Founders intended, the hallmark of his campaign. Several supporters have written to me to ask for suggestions on books they might read to deepen their own knowledge of our founding charter. I relayed their inquiries to Matt Hawes, our policy analyst, to see what titles he would recommend. He suggested the classics: the Federalist, by Hamilton, Jay, and Madison, and also the Anti-Federalist Papers, an anthology of those Revolutionary patriots who insisted that the Constitution should have even stronger protections for liberty and who helped to inspire the Bill of Rights. Both books are available in several editions: I particularly recommend the Signet Classics edition of the Anti-Federalist Papers, which includes material from the state ratifying debates as well as an outstanding introduction to the collection by Madison biographer Ralph Ketcham.
Matt also recommends as a primer Thomas E. Woods's Politically Incorrect Guide to American History, to which I might add Kevin R.C. Gutzman's Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution. These books are aimed at the college-student market, but they're excellent introductions for anyone.
Jimmy Chitwood said:A Constitutional Primer
Ron Paul has made the defense of the Constitution, understood strictly and as the Founders intended, the hallmark of his campaign. Several supporters have written to me to ask for suggestions on books they might read to deepen their own knowledge of our founding charter. I relayed their inquiries to Matt Hawes, our policy analyst, to see what titles he would recommend. He suggested the classics: the Federalist, by Hamilton, Jay, and Madison, and also the Anti-Federalist Papers, an anthology of those Revolutionary patriots who insisted that the Constitution should have even stronger protections for liberty and who helped to inspire the Bill of Rights. Both books are available in several editions: I particularly recommend the Signet Classics edition of the Anti-Federalist Papers, which includes material from the state ratifying debates as well as an outstanding introduction to the collection by Madison biographer Ralph Ketcham.
Matt also recommends as a primer Thomas E. Woods's Politically Incorrect Guide to American History, to which I might add Kevin R.C. Gutzman's Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution. These books are aimed at the college-student market, but they're excellent introductions for anyone.
i have no problem with calling the majority of the US population "sheeple," because they are. the truth hurts, sometimes.
i am well educated, and somewhat of a history buff, though certainly no expert. but i can tell you that "i" certainly don't know nearly enough about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and i make TREMENDOUS effort to stay abreast of political info.
i spend a good portion of each day discussing politics with a wide array of the US demographic that i come in contact with, and 9 out of 10 people can't mention all 5 remaining candidates in the two main parties of the Presidential race, much less who stands for which issues. so how can they possibly know about the issues and who stands for their beliefs when they don't even know who is running. and the Constitution?!? give me a break! ask as many people as you want and see how many can list the 10 amendments that make up the Bill of Rights.
the American citizen has become lazy, ignorant, and apathetic. and if that doesn't change, America as we know it will.
the sheeple are being led to the slaughter of their civil liberties, along with this nation.
Edited to add: my quote above is a list of several good books on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as provided by Ron Paul, the nation's only Constitutionally-grounded Presidential candidate. please, check them out.