Romney vs. Obama

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I wouldn't say that I am a fan of, or follow US politics.

But having casually watched the first debate between Romney and Obama, one thing with was clear to me is that Romney appeared to have won the debate. Romney seemed much more intelligent, articulate, well-spoken, confident, and masculine than Obama did.

I will admit that I'm not evaluating the quality of their answers and comments.

But in terms of appearance, body language, and confidence, without question I thought Romney outperformed Obama.
 

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I trust nothing about modern politics. I will always assume that it is nothing but a big fake show to manipulate people into some desired outcomes. But even the business of people manipulation is messy stuff so I'm sure surprises and accidents happen. This Romney performance in the debate has really become a meme, his poll ratings are shooting up and there are supposedly large swings in voter sentiment in his favor.

Seems a bit too convenient to me though. I almost suspect something bigger behind it all. Maybe it's calculated to increase interest in this horse race where no one is going to win no matter who wins. Perhaps the PTB realize Romney is going to win and want to move the numbers to his favor so their absurd cheer leading for Obama for the last few months won't show just how farcical the whole media enterprise is. Or perhaps they have it in the bag for Obama and just want to jerk the White middle class around some more.

I'm often tempted to vote for Romney. While I hate much of the man's politics I believe him to be the best candidate for President in my lifetime (except perhaps Ronald Reagan.) And I say that because I admire his background as a devout Mormon, what seems to be an impeccable moral background, business experience, years spent as an executive - in and out of government, and a very strong family tree in politics (his father was a governor of my home state of Michigan). Not to mention his impressive contribution to the White race (all those healthy kids). If I was interviewing someone for this important position I would give it to him over nearly anybody else.

But I feel like I'm being jerked around by this. I fully expect Obama to rout him in the next debate or some silly media created circus to pop up in an attempt to deflate the expectations. This reminds me of the second Bush election of 2000. I hated the man but really wanted him to win instead of the other guy.
 

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I trust nothing about modern politics. I will always assume that it is nothing but a big fake show to manipulate people into some desired outcomes. But even the business of people manipulation is messy stuff so I'm sure surprises and accidents happen. This Romney performance in the debate has really become a meme, his poll ratings are shooting up and there are supposedly large swings in voter sentiment in his favor.

Seems a bit too convenient to me though. I almost suspect something bigger behind it all. Maybe it's calculated to increase interest in this horse race where no one is going to win no matter who wins. Perhaps the PTB realize Romney is going to win and want to move the numbers to his favor so their absurd cheer leading for Obama for the last few months won't show just how farcical the whole media enterprise is. Or perhaps they have it in the bag for Obama and just want to jerk the White middle class around some more.

I'm often tempted to vote for Romney. While I hate much of the man's politics I believe him to be the best candidate for President in my lifetime (except perhaps Ronald Reagan.) And I say that because I admire his background as a devout Mormon, what seems to be an impeccable moral background, business experience, years spent as an executive - in and out of government, and a very strong family tree in politics (his father was a governor of my home state of Michigan). Not to mention his impressive contribution to the White race (all those healthy kids). If I was interviewing someone for this important position I would give it to him over nearly anybody else.

But I feel like I'm being jerked around by this. I fully expect Obama to rout him in the next debate or some silly media created circus to pop up in an attempt to deflate the expectations. This reminds me of the second Bush election of 2000. I hated the man but really wanted him to win instead of the other guy.
Meanwhile, the embassy debacle ball and chain grows bigger around Obummer's ankle. Tommorrow will be great display of a smart and articulate young man in Ryan against a political clown who lied about his standing in law school. His plagurism. The chickens are coming home to roost for Clown Biden.
 

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For those who care or feel good about saying "I am staying home or neither one deserves my vote" mantra. Ryan came out on top against a derranged / disshevled / 5150 loser uncle in the attic that most would stay away from, unless of course you hammered and want a good laugh.

Biden uttered 3 overt lies. 1. Adminstration was not informed of the terrorist attacks in Libya. 2 & 3. He did not voted against the 2 most recent wars.
 
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I guess Biden went to the "Don't speak while I'm interupting" school of debate.

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Phony election between two Israhelli-Wall Street puppets. Phony election, phony democracy. George Orwell saw it coming.

How can anybody believe this crap is for real?
 
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Mencken saw it happening in his own day and wrote a book about it. He wasn't even the first.
 

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An article entitled "George Soros and Obama"

Soros and his liberal billionaire friends are still collecting on the money they put up that helped put Obama into power back in 2008. Thanks to new campaign laws, men like Soros don’t even have to hide their donations through various money laundering schemes. They just set up a PAC that creates propaganda commercials for Obama, put several hundred million dollars into that PAC and then when it comes time for the next budget, they get billions or even tens of billions in government contracts as a thinly disguised pay off. Obama doesn’t care how much he has to pay back to Soros. After all, it’s just taxpayers’ money.

One problem with the American economy (in addition to the malice and incompetence of Barack Hussein Obama) is that an assortment of crooks are looting it with the complicity of “ourâ€￾ politicians, draining America like leeches in the form of “green energyâ€￾ contracts that produce no energy, green or otherwise.

http://www.whitecivilrights.com/?p=10406


It has been said that a Republic becomes a democracy when the people discover that they can vote themselves money from the treasury, but I said it is not the common productive people but the politicians and the rich, the overclass and the underclass who loot the productive citizens. It seem to start out innocently enough with legitimate contracts to do needed work, but then the businessmen start pushing other projects just to get paid and using "bribes" rather legal or illegal to get the politicians to go along. When war comes the money available zooms and the businesses become addict and if looting is involved even more so. Somewhere along the way the underclass, the petty criminals, drunks, drug addicts, perverts real bums and other dregs of society ally to the overclass to loot the productive class (working and middle class). The overclass pushes bread and circuses at first supposedly to help members of the productive class who are in trouble but often starts or becomes as a way to pay their workers and servants less by having the taxpayers pay for most of their expensive so the overclass can pay them far less. In time, the overclass and the underclass forum a patron client relationship where the patron (overclass) gives some of their looting of productive class to the client (underclass). Interesting twist on the looting is turning money "creation" over too private businesses where can "legally" "counterfeit" money thereby stealing money by lessening the value from the productive class. Also, selectedly enforced regulations to limit competition to the overclass and outright bailouts and grants to the overclass are very overt looting of the taxpayers even if disguised as helping the "workers".

The productive class allows the situation to develop as long as they have enough to survive but the point is being reach when something must give. In the West today, the underclass is made-up primarily of nonwhites, who are being imported at and every growing pace to keep the overclass in power, but the money is running out either cuts are going to have to be made which will send the underclass into riots, because the overclass won't cut themselves, or hyperinflation that will destroy the economy.

The reason society collapse is so simple the overclass starts taking money from the productive class and splitting it between themselves and the underclass who assist them and to keep them under control, but in the end the lifestyle of the overclass and the underclass requires more and more money, and does more and more damage to society, that the productive class can not provide and since the over and underclass refuse to cut back the system falls apart.
 

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I hear ya, Tom.

Besides, demographics are too far gone for the GOP.

"We" live in BRA and we will get who "we" deserve. That is 4 more years of Obama incompetence, black racism and buffoonery.

Come Nov. 6 it will be fun to see the blank expressions on the faces of the Republicans geeks and neocon dorks who all are so sure of a Romney victory.
 
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I'm not American, and I'm also not a supporter in the type of democracy that exists in the US, but here's some thoughts I have on watching the debates and my overall feeling of the election:

- First of all, I don't really think it matters who wins the election. Things are going to go the way they go, and to a large extent, I don't think whether Romney or Obama is elected will change that. I don't see a president as really having much power for radical change in the country.

- One thing I do like about Obama is he seems more peaceful than Romney does. At the debate last night, Romney seemed as though he thought that USA was the world's "policeman". US does not need to get involved in more wars overseas, those end badly for everyone involved, dead US soldiers and dead locals. Peace is the rule of thumb here and USA has no place "policing" the world. So with regard to foreign policy, and probable military non action, I would favour Obama's position.

- One thing I do like about Romney is he appears, in my estimation to have a stronger economic plan than Obama. Many reports indicate that today US economy is in a worse position as it has been in a very long time. The US economy is in shambles, unemployment and underemployment are rampant. US is not strong at the home front and Obama has done absolutely nothing to improve that. So, in regards to economy, jobs, stability at home I would prefer Romney's position.

- Something that bothered me about the debate last night, from both men, is their unwavering support of Israel. It's almost like these 2 men were auditioning to be a Prime Minister of Israel, not the President of USA. It almost seemed at times that Israel's safety was of more concern than the safety of the USA. That really shows you where the power lies in the US, and how much control, influence, and power Jews carry in the USA. Obama's holocaust speech was disgusting and Romney's support of Israel was also distasteful (I never understand why white Christians support Jews even above themselves, truly bizarre).

- The 2 party system is outdated and it doesn't give nearly enough choice to the voter. I find that Romney and Obama are remarkably similar. There is no opportunity for radical change. This is not democracy in practice. What would be more fair, is if you had 20 presidential candidates, all with different ideas, who were afforded equal time (1 hour) to lay their platform on national television. Additionally, advertising for the 20 candidates was done equally and through a non involved party. Campaigns should be moderated and held equal across the board.

- I have strong doubts about the accuracy of counting votes. I firmly believe that some people with money in the USA, can say who they want to win the election, and fraud the election results to do so.

- Lastly, its a bit insulting to call Romney conservative. His ideas are not right wing, he is a very moderate conservative, in fact he's essentially middle on the political spectrum. If he is a conservative that's a very poor example of right wing politics.
 

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Looks like the blacks are preparing for riots if Obama loses...

http://www.infowars.com/obama-supporters-continue-threats-to-riot-assassinate-romney/

I hope all my fellow caste football members are prepared for what may happen on Nov.6 but I have a feeling we all can handle anything that comes our way :rockon:

I don't see large scale rioting if Obamy loses. Maybe I'm wrong but from what I know about blacks and rioting you need a couple of things in order for that to happen. First you need hot weather, blacks don't riot in the cold and it will be November, plus you need a bunch of them in one spot getting drunk or high. Where's that going to be? The day after the election? They will be too lazy to go out in the cold to meet somewhere just to riot. Now if the election results drag out like Bush-Gore did maybe there will be time to set up "protests" which will create enough of a critical mass of black people in an area with stores that have something to steal.....

I also don't think there is much to worry about if you live in a suburb or even a neighborhood, I was a kid 5 blocks from the Detroit riots in 1967 and there was no trouble in the neighborhoods, it was all concentrated on the busy streets with storefronts and stuff to steal. What is a black mob going to steal from your house? A plasma TV? They already have one. And they know White people are armed, hell they think all White people have an arsenal in their house. Night time break in's in White area's are almost non-existent. But yeah, I'm buying ammo.
 

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Debate Summary: Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel

You can file this in the "there isn't a dime's worth of difference between Obama and Romney" archive, which at this point could fill a library. Justin Raimondo over at antiwar.com has a good summary of the 3rd debate. I don't understand how anyone with an IQ of a functioning human can't see that Israel directs America's foreign policy and that all politicians with high aspirations must pander accordingly.

Debate Summary: Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel

And, oh yeah, America
by Justin Raimondo, October 24, 2012
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One striking impression of this debate was that out of some 17,000 words uttered by both candidates and the moderator, about half of them were about domestic policy. Neither candidate wanted to talk about foreign policy — because the differences between them are negligible. Out of this half, about 1500 words were devoted to the subject of Israel — around 20 percent. And it’s not as if the candidates disagreed: indeed, they competed for the role of Israel’s Best Friend. Obama was first to pledge allegiance to Tel Aviv, less than ten minutes after the starting bell. Outlining the foundations of his foreign policy, he averred:

What I’ve done throughout my presidency and will continue to do, is, number one, make sure that these countries are supporting our counterterrorism efforts; number two, make sure that they are standing by our interests in Israel’s security, because it is a true friend and our greatest ally in the region.”

According to the President, Israel’s security is our number two priority not only in the region, but also in a much broader sense, second only to going after our own enemies. That’s an odd way to define our hierarchy of foreign policy values: what about the security and prosperity of the region as a whole? The Israel-pandering was obsessive and I’m not the only one who noticed it.

No aspect of our Middle Eastern policy was discussed without reference to how it might play in Israel. When Syria came up, Obama made a point of saying that although “Syrians are going to have to determine their own future,” our efforts to aid the rebels are being carried out “in consultation with our partners in the region, including Israel, which obviously has a huge interest in seeing what happens in Syria.” Romney chimed in:

Secondly, Syria’s an opportunity for us because Syria plays an important role in the Middle East, particularly right now. Syria is Iran’s only ally in the Arab world. It’s their route to the sea. It’s the route for them to arm Hezbollah in Lebanon, which threatens, of course, our ally Israel… We need to make sure as well that we coordinate this effort with our allies and particularly with — with — with Israel.”

Never mind what the people of Syria want: it’s all about what Israel wants. This duet was sung in many variations. On Egypt, the President warned:

They have to abide by their treaty with Israel. That is a red line for us, because not only is Israel’s security at stake, but our security is at stake if that unravels.”

This wasn’t enough for Romney, however, who came back with:

We have to also stand by our allies. I think the tension that existed between Israel and the United States was very unfortunate.”

Not to be out-Israeled, the President struck back:

Our alliances have never been stronger. In Asia, in Europe, in Africa, with Israel where we have unprecedented military and intelligence cooperation, including dealing with the Iranian threat.”

After all that, Bob Schieffer decided it was time to “move on to the next segment: red lines, Israel, and Iran.” A visitor from Mars might be forgiven for being confused at this point: didn’t the last segment cover that territory? Us earthlings understand, however, that when it comes to foreign policy, one can never kowtow too long or too low in the direction of Tel Aviv, and so Schieffer gave the candidates yet another opportunity to prostrate themselves before King Bibi:

Would either of you be willing to declare that an attack on Israel is an attack on the United States, which of course is the same promise that we give to our close allies like Japan? And if you made such a declaration, would not that deter Iran? It’s certainly deterred the Soviet Union for a long, long time when we made that — when we made that promise to our allies.”

(continue to the full article)http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/10/23/debate-summary-israel-israel-israel-israel/
 

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An article entitled "Mitt Romney 52 percent 342 electoral votes projected at UnSkewedPolls.com"

http://www.examiner.com/article/mit...s-projected-at-unskewedpolls-com?CID=obinsite

In an honest election between Romney and Obama, Romney would win in a landslide, but we don't have honest election if we did neither one of those two would have gotten their party's nomination.

Exactly. That's what I've been saying for a while. Although they're 2 sides of the same coin, there's NO way Romney is "just" at 50-52% against 0b0ng0. The real percentages are probably 70-75% vs. 20-25%.
 

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The Republican will have a interesting future....
Whites are the only that vote in majority for them( except when there is half non white candidate for dem.)
Whites are declining in % as everywhere.Now it won't even help to come up for whites becuase whites think ( learnt) it's nazi and but if in the future white guilt and selfhate will become less and I think it is already becoming slighly microscopic under boiling point it will be benefitical for republicans to come up for whites or they have to wait all the way till whites are minority and then totally switch from minority right to mayority rights which always happens where whites are minority becuase whites automatically come in lot of top positions when you don't make anti white policies( south african malesyia).So it will be intersting how Republicans will react to a more and more changing population.
 

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The one good thing about Hurricane Sandy (which I was right in the path of) is that it got their phony election off their phony news for a while.

I think the fix is in and the long legged mack daddy Kenyan mulatto, Malcolm X Jr, or whoever the hell she really is, is already programmed into the Diebold voting machines as the winner, or maybe they've got the ostensibly white zio-puppet Romney programmed to win, so maybe they can get the negroes rioting so maybe they can declare martial law Patriot Act X. I don't know. All I know is the whole thing is as phony as a 3 dollar bill and what's going on behind the scenes has zero to do with the blithering platitudes of these two wall street zio-puppets reading off their zio-teleprompters with their zio-smirks and zio-****-eating grins and ten thousand dollar suits pretending to debate each other.

Don't vote in their sham election. It only encourages them.



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I've read all the posts in this thread as well as many others from similar circles. The general tone is the same: a mix of apathy, discouragement, and nihilism. There is very little to be hopeful for regarding this outcome, in my opinion. My campaign issues of concern are anti-immigration, fiscal austerity, and in distant third, a subsidized manufacturing sector. There is no hope any of these being delivered next week. As far as I can tell, I have five options.

1. a vote for Romney

He might repeal Obamacare, and he might not work to legalize millions of mestizos aggressively. Also, he restores an Anglo countenance to the pulpit. It's the "lesser of two evils" choice, but the GOP has little "conservatism" left past the concepts of lower taxes for millionaires and endless wars for Israel.

2. a vote for Obama

This would be the d'Anconia option, that worse is better because we cannot rebuild until we've been destroyed. Depending how you're hedged, it might seem preferable to get it over with. It might help some whites awaken if they attach the coming collapse to such an alien figurehead, but then again these people have been doubling down on their hypocrisy for quite awhile, and there is no guarantee they would ever stop doing so.

3. a "pointless" vote for Virgil Goode

The Constitution Party is better than the Republican Party on most issues, but it's not perfect. Ex-member Pat Buchanan is even endorsing Romney this time around. I took a goofy political quiz that matched me up with Virgil Goode at a steady clip, but I could probably still nitpick with him across the board. Astounding how much better that seems that the Republican platform.

4. a "token" vote for Merlin Miller

A vote for the good guys, even though Miller is not on my state's ballot. My cowardly concern is that this would put me on some "list", although I really appreciate how eloquent and open all the party leaders come across.

5. staying home

There are any number of reasons to do this: statistical pointlessness, belief in a rigged system, general frustration with blanket democracy, not living in a swing state, or just plain old acedia.

I'm likely to stay put this year for the first time, but I'm curious to hear anyone's cases to do otherwise. I voted for McCain last cycle for the same few positives that Romney has this time around, and that simply no longer seems like enough.
 

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Very informative post Phall. Close to my view of things.

As for the presidential vote here in California I'm just a helpless bystander as any vote for other than Obama will have no impact whatsoever anyway. But we do have several interesting initiatives in which my vote will count (however minutely) so I'll try to make it to polling place, even thought they've moved it several miles further away than it was.

So I'll go play the game and participate in some "democracy" Tuesday. Just out of habit.
 

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I've read all the posts in this thread as well as many others from similar circles. The general tone is the same: a mix of apathy, discouragement, and nihilism. There is very little to be hopeful for regarding this outcome, in my opinion. My campaign issues of concern are anti-immigration, fiscal austerity, and in distant third, a subsidized manufacturing sector. There is no hope any of these being delivered next week. As far as I can tell, I have five options.

1. a vote for Romney

He might repeal Obamacare, and he might not work to legalize millions of mestizos aggressively. Also, he restores an Anglo countenance to the pulpit. It's the "lesser of two evils" choice, but the GOP has little "conservatism" left past the concepts of lower taxes for millionaires and endless wars for Israel.

2. a vote for Obama

This would be the d'Anconia option, that worse is better because we cannot rebuild until we've been destroyed. Depending how you're hedged, it might seem preferable to get it over with. It might help some whites awaken if they attach the coming collapse to such an alien figurehead, but then again these people have been doubling down on their hypocrisy for quite awhile, and there is no guarantee they would ever stop doing so.

3. a "pointless" vote for Virgil Goode

The Constitution Party is better than the Republican Party on most issues, but it's not perfect. Ex-member Pat Buchanan is even endorsing Romney this time around. I took a goofy political quiz that matched me up with Virgil Goode at a steady clip, but I could probably still nitpick with him across the board. Astounding how much better that seems that the Republican platform.

4. a "token" vote for Merlin Miller

A vote for the good guys, even though Miller is not on my state's ballot. My cowardly concern is that this would put me on some "list", although I really appreciate how eloquent and open all the party leaders come across.

5. staying home

There are any number of reasons to do this: statistical pointlessness, belief in a rigged system, general frustration with blanket democracy, not living in a swing state, or just plain old acedia.

I'm likely to stay put this year for the first time, but I'm curious to hear anyone's cases to do otherwise. I voted for McCain last cycle for the same few positives that Romney has this time around, and that simply no longer seems like enough.

Outstanding analysis, I agree completely. My own situation is unique in that I will be out of town on business next week and cannot vote as I had no chance to arrange for an absentee ballot. It will be the first election I've ever missed. I'm not too upset about it. I have been having trouble deciding who to vote for along the lines presented in the above post. The only candidate on the ballot I could marginally support would have been Johnson, and not by much. If Miller had been on the ballot I would have for sure cast a vote for him but I don't think the rules allow him as a write in candidate where I'm at and it doesn't make a difference now.

Of the two people who are going to win I would like to see Romney win as it would at least give the appearance of sanity to a majority of the voters. Romney presents himself as a nice competent White man with good values and an unblemished personal history. That may not be who he is but it is at least the image he tries to present. If Romney loses then it is clear that any hope of expecting some kind of decent future is over. The brainwashing that cultmarxists have been doing can finally be declared a unanimous victory.

I understand how Obama could win last time, the Bush presidency seemed a disaster and John McCain was physically, mentally, and politically, disgusting. But Obama's term has been horrible, he is a miserable leader, and appears incompetent. If a decent looking, competent White man with no skeletons in his closet cannot win that election then there is really nothing else to say. It's game over.

Not that a Romney win will mean much. Maybe some marginal advantage in the Supreme Court, a lesser emphasis on the multi-cult, an end to the minority occupation government, but otherwise business as usual. I sympathize with the guys who want Obama to win with the thinking: let it burn down and start over, but unfortunately that way of thinking is to me very misguided. First of all it's not going to burn down, it's going to fester painfully, and even if it does burn down I have been in situations like that and you realize that--oops--that whole burning down thing is a lot better in theory then in practice. Things actually can get WORSE and maybe it wasn't so bad before.

Also since the polls are so close zealots on both sides are going to be expecting to win and when they don't there is going to be a lot of crap hitting the fan. I can foresee lawsuits, protests, riots, and a protracted waiting period like with Bush-Gore. I would prefer a landslide so one side can walk away with their tales between their legs and forget about it in a couple of weeks.

I think it's odd that the two years ago the Tea Party thing and associated groups basically took the Demo's to the woodshed and now just 24 months later and with no real improvement in situation the match is a dead heat? Seems fishy to me. I think there might be a surprise in the election results.
 

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To preach for a moment, if the racially aware and concerned White men on this board would join American Third Position -- now -- at the end of the young Party's first presidential election campaign, and four full years before the next one, then it might be on a lot more state ballots by 2016, maybe even most states.

But if you sit back and "observe" it, or "wish it well," then most likely four years from now it'll be on only a few state ballots again, if it even still exists.

American Third Position is a direct challenge to all racially aware Whites. Is our remnant of this multi-culti madhouse of a society going to support a political vehicle that wants to represent our interests, or are the vast majority of racially aware Whites going to continue to sit on their collective asses and do little but complain as anonymous keyboard philosphers on the internet?

A3P is made for the members of this board, and the many lurkers who don't post. Not everyone, as we have a fairly wide range of political opinions, but I think you know what I mean and who I'm talking to. If 99% of aware Whites continue in their current state of apathy and their attitude of "let someone else do it, I'll be glad to join when you take over" then four years from now we'll be having the same ridiculous "lesser of two evils" discussions that we had on this board in 2004 and 2008 and again this year, as we weigh the pros and cons of the "conservative" Republican who is running against the "liberal" Democrat in what's left of this country in 2016.

The Republican Party is anti-White. How can any aware American not support American Third Position when it wants a future for our people rather than extinction, which is the logical outcome of not only the agenda supported by the Republicrat monopoly parties but all other third parties? Support the only pro-White party in America! Help it grow, be a part of it.
 
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