Riots in Wisconsin?

[Kaptain]

43,000 dollars in benefits? That's one heck of healthcare plan. Must include weekly massages by Jen Steger. The numbers sound fishy and so does the organization.

No, the numbers and organization are not fishy. If you lived in Wisconsin you would understand why we are bankrupt.

Would you accept figures from the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction?

Type a name into the search engine and see for yourself.

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/dataondemand/33534649.html


Below is a very small sample of the bigger wheels in the data base.

Gregory Maass for example has a salary of $184,000.00. In addition to his salary he receives $55,700.00 in benefits.

Year Prorated Salary Full Name Position Title District (Hire Agency)

2010 $198,500 Daniel Nerad District Administrator Madison Metropolitan Sch Dist
2010 $184,000 Gregory Maass District Administrator Green Bay Area Sch Dist
2010 $180,000 James Shaw District Administrator Racine Sch Dist
2010 $175,062 William Andrekopoulos District Administrator Milwaukee Sch Dist
2010 $170,850 James Rickabaugh District Administrator Whitefish Bay Sch Dist
2010 $166,089 Paul Kreutzer District Administrator New Berlin Sch Dist
2010 $165,626 Thomas Westerhaus District Administrator River Falls Sch Dist
2010 $164,779 Karen Petric District Administrator Whitnall Sch Dist
2010 $163,256 William Hughes District Administrator Greendale Sch Dist
2010 $162,000 Ronald Heilmann District Administrator Eau Claire Area Sch Dist
2010 $159,299 Eric Hartwig Director of Special Education Marathon Co CDEB

These are all administration figures - not teachers. Superintendents negotiate individually. You just posted the salaries of the group that is opposed to the teacher's union. Most teachers agree that they are over-paid. Has absolutely nothing to do with the current bill and once again is not what I specifically asked for. Just more of the same circular arguement.

 

[Kaptain]

I know people want to demonize teachers by connecting this issue with Jesse Jackson or some other garbage. I know some would like to think they are conservative as they support our foreign wars and Mr. Amnesty John McCain. Here's the words of a real conservative on teacher's salaries at the 8 min. mark:



David Duke on teachers salaries

Here's David Duke debating a recent college C average student drop-out named Scott Walker (the current Gov. of Wisconsin):


David Duke vs. Scott WalkerEdited by: Kaptain

 

[Westside]

Looking forward to an epic battle over there in the Badger state. Those repubs if they hold the line, not back down and demand that those cowardly democratic state senator partying in another state show up, will show what the voters wanted. Especially when these voters are paying the "lavish packages" they receive. Hey, if these private sector citizens have to cut back now, so shall the union members in all occupations sucking the state tit should as well. The milk running is at a trickle.

 

[Bart]

These are all administration figures - not teachers. Superintendents negotiate individually. You just posted the salaries of the group that is opposed to the teacher's union. Most teachers agree that they are over-paid. Has absolutely nothing to do with the current bill and once again is not what I specifically asked for. Just more of the same circular arguement.

Kaptain, I provided the link of the videos showing the Superintendent of Schools in Milwaukee and the School Board member stating the salaries and benefits of the average teacher at 100K. You said it sounded fishy.

I've listening to talk shows discussing these matters for days and that figure is oten used.Charlie Sykes, Jeff Wagner and Mark Belling are local talk show hosts. They use those figures. It is not disputed by those advocating for the teachers.

I heard Hannity and even Savage use the same numbers yesterday.

I told you about my niece and her comp. You don't believe it? I don't care. It's true.

Wisconsin is very generous to it's State employees. The data base shows how well the public servants (sic) are compensated.

 

[Kaptain]

I asked for a breakdown and you STILL haven't provided it. A superintendent or a school board member who are probably anti-teacher spouting out a number means NOTHING! Again provide the breakdown of benefits. I believe this is the fourth time I've asked. Pathetic.

 

[Observer]

Selected "All" for a random school district "Audubon (simply because it began with "A" and was near the top of the alphabetic listing), using Bart's link above:
Last NameTitleSalaryFringe payFull-time equivalencySchoolSchool District
MonicaBeitzelSchool Social Worker$75,964$29,19050Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
CynthiaDeanSpeech/Language Pathologist$72,913$45,08950Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
RichardDridaTeacher$72,913$44,964100Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
MichelleMuellerTeacher$72,913$29,26033Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
TamiPerezTeacher$72,913$44,981100Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
BettyBanksGuidance Counselor$68,093$27,86033Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
KarenAmbroshTeacher$64,165$42,800100Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
KatherineVannoyTeacher$60,927$42,123100Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
LoisCallowayTeacher$60,134$41,72733Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
JamesHronTeacher$56,594$31,45050Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
CelindaDyerTeacher$55,696$39,943100Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
BrianCoffeyTeacher$43,636$23,18633Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
MarvinWilliamsTeacher$39,056$36,79633Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
AlexKuxhauseTeacher$37,391$20,980100Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
MichelePriceProgram Aide$0$075Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
KelleyWerra BuechnerSupport Staff$0$0100Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
RachaelAdrianProgram Aide$0$075Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
TinaFunkProgram Aide$0$075Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist
DebraHermannProgram Aide$0$075Audubon HighMilwaukee Sch Dist

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NOTE: This database was compiled by the Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction from information provided by individual school districts. WDPI does not collect salary data for employees listed solely as support staff, program aides or substitute teachers, though their names are included in this database as earning $0 in salary and $0 fringe benefits. Some employees with multiple assignments may be listed more than once, and thus may have prorated assignments and salaries. Salaries listed may include supplemental pay for additional duties such as coaching or extracurricular clubs, depending on district. Fringe benefits include retirement pay, health insurance and life insurance.



Source: Wisconsin Department of Public Instruction



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[Kaptain]

Ok, that tells us nothing new. It's not a breakdown of benefits. I was hoping somebody would at least post what I asked for, but I guess it's not being posted because it would expose this "Cadillac benefits" talking points scam.

Basically what is refered to as "fringe benefits" include things that even a unemployed welfare recipient Mexican immigrant already gets for free. In fact, there benefits are better because they never have to pay a dime.

Here's a breakdown of my "lavish" "parasite" teacher pay taken directly from my pay stub (rounded numbers) and remember Milwaukee teachers have a higher cost of living and a more difficult diverse student population:

Salary 64,000 step 13 (14 years experience) master's plus 45 college credits.

additional pay from working summer and hospital bound tutor etc. = about 8,000. Note: the gross pay list from Observers list probably includes additional duties like these or coaching etc. in the Salary column.

Total gross pay of about 72,000. Net pay per monthly check is about 3,400 - so a net pay of about 41,000.

I'm at the high end.
average teacher salary in Minnesota is about 51,000

average in Wisconsin is about 49,000

Now for those "Cadillac" benefits figures are district paid monthly. multiply by 12 if you want yearly benefits.

Social Security - something everybody pays and nobody my age will collect = 323

Medicare - again everybody pays and even non-payers collect just like SS.= 75

Dental = 73
Health = 1,030 - I believe that's 500 dollar deductable and 80-20 pay up until 10,000 dollars then full coverage - I think it's something like that. Clearly not anything unusual or "Cadillac."

TRA pension = 296

Little did I know that I make about 92,000 a year. I'm wealthy! Heck, we're all wealthy! Happy days are here again!

I think the arguement is over. Have a nice day.



Edited by: Kaptain

 

[Bart]

A superintendent or a school board member who are probably anti-teacher spouting out a number means NOTHING!

Are you serious? Do you think the Superintendent of Schools should be ignored? His numbers mean nothing? That's just silly.

If he was fudging the numbers the Journal-Sentinel(liberal rag) reporters and Teachers and Union Officials would have ripped him a new one so fast he'd be in intensive care for a month!

That video has been out for quite some time. If anything was FISHY the world would know about it by now. Trust me on that!

Again provide the breakdown of benefits. I believe this is the fourth time I've asked. Pathetic.

What do you mean by breakdown? If a teacher's salary is listed as 70K and benefits as 35K is that not enough for you? Do you want to know where every dollar is allocated in their benefit packages?

I don't know where to find that information. Other than their medical, dental, health/family plans and pensions I do not know what else it entails. I've read Viagra is included.

If you want to know more ... search for it yourself!

I really love that search engine of state employees. Never knew it existed till a couple of days ago.

I checked one of my neighbors who lives two doors to the north.

When I first moved in to this neighborhood I caught the woman of the house snatching political yard signs from my lawn at night. I supported conservative judges, school board candidates and so forth. She was a teacher at the time.

Well, she is a principal at a middle school now.

Her combined comp -- almost 140 K. per year.

Slave wages? She probably thinks so.

Edit: I didn't see Kaptain's latest post until after I posted this. Edited by: Bart

 

[Westside]

Bart that was a great post and
informative as well as funny! Thanks for good humour.

Everyone is suffering under this regime. BO has made things worse. The public unions who finance him and his party should suffer just like rest of us. Especially when the common folk are paying their salary. Time to breakout the Top Ramen and generic franks. Also cut out the dinners at Applibees for staters.They will manage.

 

[snow]

How about cutting the money to the politicians first? You think teachers are living better than they are? or even close? I don't know why Teachers have become the target.

 

[screamingeagle]

Stop bellyaching about the teachers. At least they are in the room with the little monsters. It is the administrators who run up the cost of education. They sit in their nice offices doing whatever it is they are doing. Probably sleeping.

 

[Mr. Lutefisk]

The repubs are making a big mistake going after the working people. Go after welfare or the 16 indian casinos that rake in millions of dollars. Go after illegal aliens and their children that are filling up the schools. Why the mostly White working teachers? I have seen the numbers, $60,000 does not get you very far these days. Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan just got a $17 million dollar bonus, plenty of money out there, go after the thieves.

The repubs had a huge chance to unite the over-worked White people, instead they attacked them.Hitler grew his power by uniting the working people first, he got rid of the real parasites. The workers loved Hitler and he turned their country around to become the envy of the world. Scott Walker just ended the sliver of hope White people had by pitting them once again against each other instead of the real enemy that is wrecking America.

 

[Tom Iron]

Mr. Lutefisk,

Sir, respectfully, your argument comes apart by referring to state/municipal employees as "working people." They are many things in the world, but working people is not one of them. The concept of "work" is anathama to the vast majority of such people. That's why they gravitate to such "jobs." in the first place.

Tom Iron...

 

[Kaptain]

So Tom, I don't work? I don't what work is? But you do? What do you do for a living?

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Compared to politicians, teachers are very hard workers. Many non-union teachers make a lot of sacrifices just to try to be a positive influence in the lives of young people. I find it very interesting that union people (no matter their occupation) often make support of unions their only reason for supporting or opposing a politician. I know many who didn't like Reagan just because he fired all the air traffic controllers. There are many things that I didn't like about Reagan, but that isn't one of them. Yes, there are way too many one issue voters (of all stripes) in Amerika, but since we're discussing unions, I figured I'd chime in with that example.

 

[Kaptain]

Colonel, thats exactly how that status quo of two unpopular parties is maintained with 50% holding their noses and voting Democrat and 50% holding their noses and voting Republican. The Republicans, just like Reagan, had a chance to do some great conservative things and instead they decided to just attack the working people. Thus, they chased working people back to the welcoming arms of the liberal Democrat Party. With Obama's popularity clearly collasping, the Republicans have found a way to get him re-elected. They (those who control both parties) are playing you all like the Devil's violin. I'm sure it gives them great joy to see posters on websites like this one dance to their tune. Edited by: Kaptain

 

[jaxvid]

Colonel, thats exactly how that status quo of two unpopular parties is maintained with 50% holding their noses and voting Democrat and 50% holding their noses and voting Republican.

Your attitude of wanting some kind of 100% purity on issues is just as bad. You can't see the good in anything being done by a party if you insist that they legislate 100% the way you want. Surely you must feel their are SOME good things that the Wisconin Repubs are doing?

It's the same as your attitude on Ron Paul. SOME of the things (many, in fact) that he supports are good. Yes he's bad on white issues in specific but a guy that wants to end foreign wars, end welfare and limit govt power is a big step above nearly everyone else. You should be able to acknowledge that.

You should also be able to acknowledge that the Repubs in Wisc. are at least trying to reduce the budget. And the fact that it is your own personal bull that is getting gored makes your attitude seem self serving.

 

[Kaptain]

What on Earth are you talking about? I've been one of the biggest supporters of Ron Paul while you touted voting for John McCain.

100% purity? Doesn't that describe your attitude with Republicans? I oppose what they are doing with this law against teachers and their unions whereas you can't find single thing they are doing wrong. I'm not so dumb to think the Republicans have my interest in my mind. No, I don't have the "ahh, chucks at least mean well" stupid outlook on the Republican Party that you seem to have. In fact, you seem to be more upset that I disagree with the precious Republican party that has served us so well rather than the actual facts on this issue. I won't sell-out my own race and my own people to serve the Republican parties agenda which is no different than the Democrats agenda in the end.



Edited by: Kaptain

 

[Mr. Lutefisk]

Mr. Lutefisk,

Sir, respectfully, your argument comes apart by referring to state/municipal employees as "working people." They are many things in the world, but working people is not one of them. The concept of "work" is anathama to the vast majority of such people. That's why they gravitate to such "jobs." in the first place.

Tom Iron...

You are wrong Tom, tell Kaptain P to his face he doesn't work I dare you. You just might find yourself in the hospital LOL. Sure some state/municipal employees might have easy jobs but the majority work just as hard as you or anyone else in the private sector.The repubs had a chance to go after welfare or the truely lazy indians and their casinos that never work a day in their lives but they wanted to pick on working people. People who work 8 hours a day five days a week. The repubs had bigger fish to fry than union workers but ignored the real problems like welfare and illegal aliens. Scott Walker made unions not welfare or illegals his top priority that is what I have a real problem with. And no I do not work for a union.

 

[jaxvid]

What on Earth are you talking about? I've been one of the biggest supporters of Ron Paul while you touted voting for John McCain.

100% purity? Doesn't that describe your attitude with Republicans? I oppose what they are doing with this law against teachers and their unions whereas you can't find single thing they are doing wrong. I'm not so dumb to think the Republicans have my interest in my mind. No, I don't have the "ahh, chucks at least mean well" stupid outlook on the Republican Party that you seem to have. In fact, you seem to be more upset that I disagree with the precious Republican party that has served us so well rather than the actual facts on this issue. I won't sell-out my own race and my own people to serve the Republican parties agenda which is no different than the Democrats agenda in the end.

I don't keep track of who supports who on here, and in case you didn't realize it if Ron Paul's ideas were fully implemented then collective bargaining would be impossible because it can only survive with govt collusion.

I don't know where you got I supported that POS John McCain other then saying he'd be better then the halfrican in there now. I have voted Libertarian most of my adult life including for Ron Paul for President in 1988. And in case you missed it the Paul revolution spawned the Tea Party, another group that is miles better then the status quo but apparently not good enough for you as they are not 100% in agreement with your views.

I am not supporting "Republicans" but trying to encourage somebody to try to acheive some fiscal sanity. Honestly what I really would like is for them to put you out of a job, the govt. shouldn't run education, it should be paid for exclusively by the parents. Let you (and other teachers) compete in the private sector-like I have to. But that is not going to happen so I support any move in that direction.

 

[Bart]

I've changed my position on the Republican Party. Because of past disappointments I jumped ship, so to speak. I've been swimming back to the boat.

I owe my change of thinking to Hunter Wallace at Occidental Dissent. He has written that those of us interested in White Nationalism have accomplished virtually nothing over the years. WE have no power. Nuthin! Can't do a thing outside the system.

He has sold me on the Tea Party and it's amazing effect on the political stucture in this country.

At first I was critical, but after time I found myself in agreement.

I've often written of my disgust towards the Pubbies and detailed many reasons why I couldn't support them.

However, I truly despise the Demorats with a passion far exceeding anything I have for the GOP.

For the first time in my life in my home state of Wisconsin the stranglehold on our legilative bodies has been broken.

Russ Feingold for one has been defeated. The Madison-Milwaukee axis of evil has been quashed... at least temporarily.

Legislative bodies controlled by conservatives all over the country are FINALLY attempting to do something about our borders. I'm ecstatic!!!

I could go on and on.

The state unions always sided with the Negros, illegal invaders, feminists, commies, homo-sexuals etc.

Saul Alinsky, Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Sharpton, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid owe their success to the Donkeys. Hell, they are the Democratic party.

 

[Tom Iron]

Well, I really put my foot in my mouth that time. I've done that on a few occasions in my life. So, I apologize.

But I will say this. For some reason, people seem to have a hazy idea of money and where it stems from. For example. The actual source of money is labor. Whether it be labor of capatalist variety (wherein a person or persons put up money to start and keep a business going or labor to the end of making a business succeed, done not by the owners ie-capatalist, but by the employee, employed by the capitalist.

Then there is another area where money is earned. That is the area of governmental work. The money earned in this area is totally dependent on the money earned in the private sector. It takes many privately earned tax dollars to make the publicly earned dallar possible.

People who work for governmental agencies aren't members of the "productive" work force. They produce nothing (production isn't their job). That's the difference in dollars. Sometimes I don't explain things well and this time is obviously one of those times.

A little further if I may. At one point, nobody had anything bad to say about governmental workers. Because they weren't paid much and their benefits were reasonable. Then John V. Linday came along and won election to mayor of NYC in the sixties. This man was way, way ahead of his time. He was the first complete absolute moron. He "negotiated" an absurd contract with the city transit workers that snowballed over the length and breath of this country. Now, all these years later, the states are being strangled by these contracts and pensions. Of course, since then, being a complete absolute moron is tantamout to election in our country. Obviously, when a man like the Governor of Wisconsin comes along and wants to try and roll things back a bit, he's greeted with absolute hystria as we see.

As far as my ideas on Unionism go, the state workers stood by during that time when unionists were beaten, jailed and even shot and did nothing to aid the cause of unionism. Only after unionism was accepted did these people come aboard, so to speak. I consider myself a Union Man down to the marrow of my bones, but I will not support such people.

Hopefully, I've made myself lear this time. But unfortuneately, I think we must disagree. I don't like to disagree with you men, but I guess I must this time.

Tom Iron...

 

[Kaptain]

I don't keep track of who supports who on here, and in case you didn't realize it if Ron Paul's ideas were fully implemented then collective bargaining would be impossible because it can only survive with govt collusion.

Ron Paul supports worker's rights to unionize. Workers uniting for their rights is no different than Freedom of Association rights of white nationalists to unite for their common interests. Collective bargaining has been around since the 19th Century. When it first came about it didn't have anything to do with the government and in many instances doesn't today.Edited by: Kaptain

 

[Kaptain]

I don't know where you got I supported that POS John McCain other then saying he'd be better then the halfrican in there now. I have voted Libertarian most of my adult life including for Ron Paul for President in 1988. And in case you missed it the Paul revolution spawned the Tea Party, another group that is miles better then the status quo but apparently not good enough for you as they are not 100% in agreement with your views.

I may be mistaken on you voting for John McCain. I thought you were one of those that said voting third party (Balwin) is like voting for Obama. If I was wrong, I apologize.

But, if you're so naive as to believe that the media's current pro-war anti-union tea party (not Ron Paul's) has any ideals similar to Ron Paul, then their is little hope typing these words to you. It's not 100% in agreement with Ron Paul it's in 0% agreement. That's why I oppose it 100%. This is George Bush's Tea Party, not Ron Paul's. What does my support of the tea party have to do with issue anyway? Are you telling me we can't look at individual issues. Should I just close my eyes and nod my head to everything the neoconned tea party says simply because they hate Democrats?

 

[Kaptain]

I am not supporting "Republicans" but trying to encourage somebody to try to acheive some fiscal sanity. Honestly what I really would like is for them to put you out of a job, the govt. shouldn't run education, it should be paid for exclusively by the parents. Let you (and other teachers) compete in the private sector-like I have to. But that is not going to happen so I support any move in that direction.

What is it you do in the private sector?

I have a friend that works construction who I had the same arguement with. He works about 6 months a year and draws unemployment the rest. Otherwise he has worked on roads and government subsidized windmills. And he didn't think his job was a government job. I beg to differ.

I'd like the government to get out of more things too; schools, farm subsidizes, income tax, social security, illegal wars, minority rights, tax breaks to special interests, collect bargaining rights, forced wage freezes, price fixing, various business subsidies etc. But that's not reality. Unions are a collection of workers - not governement. I don't blame individual working people for the acts of government. I doubt whatever your job is that it is completely independent of government. I'm pretty sure you pay social security and medicare and would be upset if somebody told you that despite you working and paying all these years we decided that people doing your job don't deserve benefits. You've fallen for the trap of working class warfare. Pitting one worker against the other for tiniest details while the real robber barons loot our country and laugh at you. Edited by: Kaptain