Colonel_Reb
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I hope Peyton is somehow able to run the ball more this year. That may mean injuries to others, but so be it. That kid has been screwed over, royally.
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mrjohnnynofear
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Peyton deserves more carries. There is only so many footballs to go around. Even I have to admit that it would be a dang tough thing to take carries away from McFadden and Jones, but I think that all 3 could get at least 5-7 carries a game. Each time either one of the 3 would be fresh and they could open up holes for each other. That would be only fair. Again, not taking anything away from McFadden or Jones, but Hillis can help the team shine and would thrive also if given a chance.
Colonel_Reb
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Yeah jaxvid, I'm just a heartless piece o'.... for thinking that.
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If Hillis has a productive season as a FB because lets face it Houston Nutt won't give him a chance to run unless injuries occur and puts up good numbers at the combine I am sure he will get drafted. If he runs in the 4.4 range at his size he will open some eyes just like Matt Jones did a few years ago.
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In alot of the pre season publications the trio of Arkansas RBs have been highly touted so I think this is some good exposure for Hillis. Also playing at a high level as a white in what the MSM and idiot white fans everywhere think the best conference in football is will help him to, just like it will with Jacob Hester.
Don Wassall said:
I know Don your right but some of these white high school stars have got to realize something is going on when they see white players flourish at RB, WR, DB in high school and then see none in college. I know I was first awakened to this racist b.s. years ago when i found out a area star h.s. DB whet on a recruting visit to Pitt and the coaches told him "Oh we didn't know you were white". Obviously that was the last time Scotty heard from Pitt.
ToughJ.Riggins
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Hillis's 40 at the Nike H.S Camp (from Scout.com) was 4.78, so he will not be looked at as a prospect at HB by the
NFL. That's slow enough that even if he was black he would be nothing more than a part time running FB or get the occasional short yardage carry from the NFL. Plus he has put on weight since H.S. Jacob Hester ran a 4.6 at the Nike H.S combine.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
NFL. That's slow enough that even if he was black he would be nothing more than a part time running FB or get the occasional short yardage carry from the NFL. Plus he has put on weight since H.S. Jacob Hester ran a 4.6 at the Nike H.S combine.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
lumsdenpower
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40 times dont mean sh*t sometime f**kToughJ.Riggins said:
look at this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI8jgpz_K_g
This guy can be a top RB in the NFL and he isnt slow, not at all
ToughJ.Riggins
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Lumsden Power I do agree that 40 times are way overvalued. Other drills like shuttles, L-Drills and 3-cones which are areas white's normally perform better in should be factered in just as much. Whites are also on par with blacks in 10 yard dashes which shows our accelleration is just as good. A RB or WR almost never runs straight ahead 40 yards. But that withstanding I judge a white player by the same standards a black player is judged. At some point when you are "extremly slow" for the position it does matter.
Looking at NFLdraftscout.com this is what I've noticed as far as the double standard between black and white athletes:
Looking at the NFL:
There are a several big name black WR's under 6'3 who run in the high 4.6's so a guy with as steller a college career as Mike Hass who ran a 4.59 (4.56 Pro Day) was absolutley being discriminated against. Anquan Bolden (6'1) ran a 4.71 but supposedly had a nagging injury. There are tall black possession receivers as slow as 4.76 (6'4 Ernest Wilford). That is slower than all the top pass catching TE's
At RB small blacks have to be no slower than the low 4.6's and big black Power RB's ie. Tony Hunt, Mike Anderson and Ron Dayne (the guy tries to run like a scat back though and sucks) have to be no slower than 4.7 flat.
At CB virtually all the "stars" run 4.45 or faster with 4.55 being about the slowest a player makes a roster. CB by far has the fastest average 40 times of any positon b/c you need to have recovery speed when you bite on a slower players fakes. Also corners occasionally have to run straight down the feild to cover the deep fly pattern on speed burners like Chris Chambers, Santana Moss or Matt Jones.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
Looking at NFLdraftscout.com this is what I've noticed as far as the double standard between black and white athletes:
Looking at the NFL:
There are a several big name black WR's under 6'3 who run in the high 4.6's so a guy with as steller a college career as Mike Hass who ran a 4.59 (4.56 Pro Day) was absolutley being discriminated against. Anquan Bolden (6'1) ran a 4.71 but supposedly had a nagging injury. There are tall black possession receivers as slow as 4.76 (6'4 Ernest Wilford). That is slower than all the top pass catching TE's
At RB small blacks have to be no slower than the low 4.6's and big black Power RB's ie. Tony Hunt, Mike Anderson and Ron Dayne (the guy tries to run like a scat back though and sucks) have to be no slower than 4.7 flat.
At CB virtually all the "stars" run 4.45 or faster with 4.55 being about the slowest a player makes a roster. CB by far has the fastest average 40 times of any positon b/c you need to have recovery speed when you bite on a slower players fakes. Also corners occasionally have to run straight down the feild to cover the deep fly pattern on speed burners like Chris Chambers, Santana Moss or Matt Jones.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
Jimmy Chitwood
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TJR,
i am not going to dispute you have noted the correct 40 time Rivals has listed for Hillis, however i am going to vehemently oppose the accuracy of that time. this certainly wouldn't be the first instance of Rivals posting a less-than-accurate 40 time, as i'm sure you're well aware of. as has been reported NUMEROUS times by DraftDaddy, and even from the mouth of Houston Nutt himself, Peyton Hillis has measured out favorably to Ronnie Brown.
you remember Ronnie Brown, right? he was the #2 OVERALL pick on the '05 NFL Draft.
at Arkansas' Pro Day after Hillis' sophomore year, he posted a faster 40 time than Brown. Hillis is bigger than Brown. Hillis has better hands than Brown. And the fact that Hillis is Arkansas' best punt returner should tell you something about his athletic ability.
i don't know if he will ever fully recover the explosiveness he had as a freshman and sophomore after the devastating bone bruise he suffered last year (although it has been reported that such is the case), but Hillis was a do-it-all combo back until being forced to play the fullback role for Darren McFadden, who is in my opinion the best pure tailback in the country. that being said, the case can easily be made that Hillis is the most complete and versatile running back in the nation, and i personally think that he has the talent (if he is back to normal) to be a featured tailback in the NFL.
feel free to disagree if you wish, but if Hillis was too slow to tote the rock as a sophomore, then the Miami Dolphins made a HUGE mistake drafting Brown.
i am not going to dispute you have noted the correct 40 time Rivals has listed for Hillis, however i am going to vehemently oppose the accuracy of that time. this certainly wouldn't be the first instance of Rivals posting a less-than-accurate 40 time, as i'm sure you're well aware of. as has been reported NUMEROUS times by DraftDaddy, and even from the mouth of Houston Nutt himself, Peyton Hillis has measured out favorably to Ronnie Brown.
you remember Ronnie Brown, right? he was the #2 OVERALL pick on the '05 NFL Draft.
at Arkansas' Pro Day after Hillis' sophomore year, he posted a faster 40 time than Brown. Hillis is bigger than Brown. Hillis has better hands than Brown. And the fact that Hillis is Arkansas' best punt returner should tell you something about his athletic ability.
i don't know if he will ever fully recover the explosiveness he had as a freshman and sophomore after the devastating bone bruise he suffered last year (although it has been reported that such is the case), but Hillis was a do-it-all combo back until being forced to play the fullback role for Darren McFadden, who is in my opinion the best pure tailback in the country. that being said, the case can easily be made that Hillis is the most complete and versatile running back in the nation, and i personally think that he has the talent (if he is back to normal) to be a featured tailback in the NFL.
feel free to disagree if you wish, but if Hillis was too slow to tote the rock as a sophomore, then the Miami Dolphins made a HUGE mistake drafting Brown.
ToughJ.Riggins
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Accidentally double postedEdited by: ToughJ.Riggins
ToughJ.Riggins
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Yeah it is perplexing that Hillis would be returning punts if he ran a 4.78, so you are probably right. He probably has at least 4.6 speed. I have never watched Hillis play and Scout.com could have misquoted his 40 time. They certainly misqoute the player rankings as we all know.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
Here's another Hillis update, replete with a quote from Hillis affirming in so many words that he knows his place even though he doesn't like it.
<H2>Like it is : Healed Hillis plows ahead with new attitude </H2>
Wally Hall
FAYETTEVILLE  He's back.
All the way back.
Last year, a deep thigh bruise forced Peyton Hillis to miss Arkansas' final three games.
A large calcium deposit developed, and there was concern that his playing days might be in jeopardy.
Hillis, who is tougher than a claw hammer on a peanut, sucked it up, and by the spring the always muscled player was back on the field.
Listed by some as the NFL's No. 1 prospect at fullback, Hillis admits he still misses the touchdowns, which is natural.
He was a touchdown machine his senior year at Conway High, scoring 29.
He scored eight times as a freshman and seven times as a sophomore.
Last year, he had one.
"It seemed like I was in the game plan on Mondays and not Saturday," he said.
Hillis shrugged his shoulders at that and added: "I just want to prove I'm as good as everyone thought when I got here. I know I'm blessed with talent. Now, I just need to use it for the better of the team.
" I sit and think about what have I done here at the University of Arkansas, and I don't feel like I've done much. Not enough."
Hillis said sitting out those three games was extremely diff icult, especially since Arkansas lost.
"I'm not saying I would have made the difference, but I would like to have been there," he said.
Hillis, like all the backs, is going through the transition from Danny Nutt to Tim Horton as running backs coach, and the senior fullback saw positives in both of them.
"Coach D. Nutt was laidback and Coach Horton, well, he's a little more tense," he said, smiling. "Coach Horton is always running around and firing you up.
" He also gives us written tests at night."
Written tests ?
"Yeah, about where you should be against this coverage or that coverage. He wants to get you mentally prepared for every situation."
Hillis, who is a big-time threat as a receiver out of the backfield, is still working at returning punts, a place the Hogs hurt after his injury last season.
For some reason, Darren McFadden is working there, too, but the sure-handed Hillis isn't worried about competition.
"Whatever it takes, we need to be focused on getting back to the SEC Championship Game," he said.
Something that really hit him recently.
He had a wake-up call.
"A couple of days it hit me really hard," he said. "This is my senior season, my final year of football."
Uh, Peyton, he was told, you are rated the No. 1 NFL fullback prospect in the country.
He laughed.
"I know, but I'm not thinking about that until after this season," he said. "This season means a lot to me because I'm a senior."
Hillis also sees this as a new beginning.
"We have a new coach, a new season, a new goal," he said. "I'm really excited about the season and ready to do whatever it takes to help the team."
The 240-pound battering ram is being counted on heavily to help open holes for Heisman hopeful McFadden and Felix Jones.
It's a role he admits he did not come to the UA to play, but one that he has adjusted to.
"I like to block, but it was not a priority with me until now," he said. "There is a reason that I am playing this role on this team at this time, and I'm not going to question that. You don't get as much pub for blocking as scoring touchdowns, but it is still satisfying."
These days, Hillis' attitude about playing fullback is better, and he takes to the field with something else on his mind.
"It is my chance to hit the linebackers rather than them hit me," he said, another smile crossing his face.
Peyton Hillis is back  all the way back.
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Sports/197979/
<H2>Like it is : Healed Hillis plows ahead with new attitude </H2>
Wally Hall
FAYETTEVILLE  He's back.
All the way back.
Last year, a deep thigh bruise forced Peyton Hillis to miss Arkansas' final three games.
A large calcium deposit developed, and there was concern that his playing days might be in jeopardy.
Hillis, who is tougher than a claw hammer on a peanut, sucked it up, and by the spring the always muscled player was back on the field.
Listed by some as the NFL's No. 1 prospect at fullback, Hillis admits he still misses the touchdowns, which is natural.
He was a touchdown machine his senior year at Conway High, scoring 29.
He scored eight times as a freshman and seven times as a sophomore.
Last year, he had one.
"It seemed like I was in the game plan on Mondays and not Saturday," he said.
Hillis shrugged his shoulders at that and added: "I just want to prove I'm as good as everyone thought when I got here. I know I'm blessed with talent. Now, I just need to use it for the better of the team.
" I sit and think about what have I done here at the University of Arkansas, and I don't feel like I've done much. Not enough."
Hillis said sitting out those three games was extremely diff icult, especially since Arkansas lost.
"I'm not saying I would have made the difference, but I would like to have been there," he said.
Hillis, like all the backs, is going through the transition from Danny Nutt to Tim Horton as running backs coach, and the senior fullback saw positives in both of them.
"Coach D. Nutt was laidback and Coach Horton, well, he's a little more tense," he said, smiling. "Coach Horton is always running around and firing you up.
" He also gives us written tests at night."
Written tests ?
"Yeah, about where you should be against this coverage or that coverage. He wants to get you mentally prepared for every situation."
Hillis, who is a big-time threat as a receiver out of the backfield, is still working at returning punts, a place the Hogs hurt after his injury last season.
For some reason, Darren McFadden is working there, too, but the sure-handed Hillis isn't worried about competition.
"Whatever it takes, we need to be focused on getting back to the SEC Championship Game," he said.
Something that really hit him recently.
He had a wake-up call.
"A couple of days it hit me really hard," he said. "This is my senior season, my final year of football."
Uh, Peyton, he was told, you are rated the No. 1 NFL fullback prospect in the country.
He laughed.
"I know, but I'm not thinking about that until after this season," he said. "This season means a lot to me because I'm a senior."
Hillis also sees this as a new beginning.
"We have a new coach, a new season, a new goal," he said. "I'm really excited about the season and ready to do whatever it takes to help the team."
The 240-pound battering ram is being counted on heavily to help open holes for Heisman hopeful McFadden and Felix Jones.
It's a role he admits he did not come to the UA to play, but one that he has adjusted to.
"I like to block, but it was not a priority with me until now," he said. "There is a reason that I am playing this role on this team at this time, and I'm not going to question that. You don't get as much pub for blocking as scoring touchdowns, but it is still satisfying."
These days, Hillis' attitude about playing fullback is better, and he takes to the field with something else on his mind.
"It is my chance to hit the linebackers rather than them hit me," he said, another smile crossing his face.
Peyton Hillis is back  all the way back.
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Sports/197979/
Jimmy Chitwood
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this is an opinion column written bythe stoogeof Arkansas sports, Wally Hall, but it does accidentally uncover some of the things we here at Caste Footballtry to expose.
Peyton Hillis came to Arkansas as a tailback andwas referred to as purely a tailback as a freshman. it was toward the end of his sophomore year when "fullback" began creeping into the equation. even after he tested out faster than Auburn's Ronnie Brown he was still a "talented, intriguingprospect at fullback."
you can imagine his frustration at his new role!
he has been gradually forced to add ever more weight andget ever fewer touches of the ball. his pure athleticism should be unquestioned! i mean he is a 240-pound "fullback" who is the best punt returner on the team!
Peyton is versatile to the extreme. it is his versatility, unselfishness, and white skin (but i said the same thing 3 times there didn't i!) that have caused his role to be shifted completely to one more fitting for a white "boy."
Peyton Hillis came to Arkansas as a tailback andwas referred to as purely a tailback as a freshman. it was toward the end of his sophomore year when "fullback" began creeping into the equation. even after he tested out faster than Auburn's Ronnie Brown he was still a "talented, intriguingprospect at fullback."
you can imagine his frustration at his new role!
he has been gradually forced to add ever more weight andget ever fewer touches of the ball. his pure athleticism should be unquestioned! i mean he is a 240-pound "fullback" who is the best punt returner on the team!
Peyton is versatile to the extreme. it is his versatility, unselfishness, and white skin (but i said the same thing 3 times there didn't i!) that have caused his role to be shifted completely to one more fitting for a white "boy."
from latest Kiper's analysis:
"A consistent and valuable member of the Razorbacks' offense all year has been versatile fullback Peyton Hillis. He proved his worth once again, leading the Razorbacks with six receptions for 77 yards. Whether it's running with the football, catching it, blocking or even returning punts, Hillis qualifies as one of the most impressive jack-of-all-trade players in college football. For the year, Hillis is averaging nearly five yards a carry, while hauling in 32 receptions for an 11.7-yard average and three touchdowns."
"A consistent and valuable member of the Razorbacks' offense all year has been versatile fullback Peyton Hillis. He proved his worth once again, leading the Razorbacks with six receptions for 77 yards. Whether it's running with the football, catching it, blocking or even returning punts, Hillis qualifies as one of the most impressive jack-of-all-trade players in college football. For the year, Hillis is averaging nearly five yards a carry, while hauling in 32 receptions for an 11.7-yard average and three touchdowns."
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Great article on Peyton he will be a high draft pick and a major contributor at the next level no one can hide the fact that he can play this game when given the chance very very well. I see him being an all purpose back in the NFL with the ability to line up many places on the feild at least I hope he gets the chance any way.
Jimmy Chitwood
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i mentioned this on another thread, but i've spoken with Chris Bahn, the author of this article, several times in the past. and i have pointed out the double standard that faces white athletes on most every occasion, using Peyton Hillis as a prime example often times.
maybe Chris is a sports writer who is starting to see the light...
maybe Chris is a sports writer who is starting to see the light...