I don't understand why someone the fans love so much, and creates a lot of interest and following for the team, and does well, is expected to fight for a roster spot. Isn't the point of a football team to make money? And don't teams make money when fans are interested? And why do these questions even have to be asked?
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Because there are some people who look white and speak English in the head offices and the media that tell them to screw whites over and vault the myth of the "black superman" into the everyday vernacular.
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Even Hillis' Wikipedia article (written and edited by whomever on planet earth) states that "racial discrimination"Â may have been the primary cause of his limited playing time in Denver. The zeitgeist, little by little, is shifting in our favor.
Hillis' devastating run against the Rams this pre-season was but a taste of the excitement and intensity this man can bring to any team, let alone the always-dreadful Cleveland Browns. His reaction after that skillfully bruising 9-yard run, as well as other runs (in the 2010 pre-season and in Denver), prove that Hillis is certainly not a "boy scout type."Â He seems loud, tough, proud, strong, and aggressive (yet not "flashy"Â in any way). Hardesty's injury may just be the catalyst of a miniature revolution....like when Wes Welker was traded to New England.
The cultural awakening draws ever closer each time this electrifying athlete touches a football.
Hillis' devastating run against the Rams this pre-season was but a taste of the excitement and intensity this man can bring to any team, let alone the always-dreadful Cleveland Browns. His reaction after that skillfully bruising 9-yard run, as well as other runs (in the 2010 pre-season and in Denver), prove that Hillis is certainly not a "boy scout type."Â He seems loud, tough, proud, strong, and aggressive (yet not "flashy"Â in any way). Hardesty's injury may just be the catalyst of a miniature revolution....like when Wes Welker was traded to New England.
The cultural awakening draws ever closer each time this electrifying athlete touches a football.
ToughJ.Riggins
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Good post Thrashen! I also don't get why the above article calls Hillis' 3.8 YPC average this pre-season "pedestrian". The league average isn't much better than that (supposedly about 4 YPC). The biggest argument however, if I recall- is that Hillis had a better YPC than Jerome Harrison late in the pre-season when Hillis was playing the most. Shouldn't Hillis' performance be put in the context of the blocking he is getting and how it compares to his fellow Cleveland RBs? The media rarely fairly evaluates white skill players though.
Sunny start turns into a cloudy finish for Peyton Hillis after costly fumble: Browns Insider
TAMPA, Fla. -- Peyton Hillis was thrilled to get the start at running back Sunday and fired up when he ran for a 10-yard TD to put the Browns up, 14-3, in the second quarter. But the elation turned to disappointment when he committed a costly fumble in the third quarter that cost the Browns at least a field goal.
On first and 10 from the Bucs' 15, Hillis ran for a yard and then coughed up the ball.
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"I guess it was a lack of concentration," said Hillis. "It doesn't need to happen. Especially a close game like it was today. It was my mistake and I need to get that fixed. I lost the ball and I've to fix that."
Hillis couldn't remember if the ball was ripped out or if he just lost it. He said the exchange with Jake Delhomme was fine.
"No matter if it was hit, or ripped out or I was falling down, that's my fault and I have to take care of that," he said. "Either way, I have to hold onto the ball and I've got to correct those mistakes. They trust me to put the ball in my hands and I didn't live up to what I needed to do on that play."
Hillis was overjoyed when he found out he was starting, getting the nod ahead of 2009 starter Jerome Harrison, who had 561 yards the final three games of last season. Hillis earned the starting nod after finishing second in both rushing (80) and receiving yards (86) in preseason.
"It's everything you've always wanted," said Hillis. "But you've got to go out there and respond better than what I did. You've got to convert better than what I did. I've got to get that stuff fixed coming into Kansas City next week."
Hillis is known for protecting the football. In 88 career carries, he's fumbled once. He was fumble-free in preseason.
"I guess this was my day where bad things happen," he said. "But good days will come."
Hillis caught a 16-yard pass on the opening play and caught four passes overall for 24 yards. He rushed for 41 yards on nine carries. Cashing in on great blocking by Eric Steinbach, who pulled left, Hillis skated in easily for his score.
"I just tried to do what I could do on that play," he said. "We had tremendous blocking. I don't think I got touched at the goal-line. But that was a great converted play and I need to respond and play like that more often."
Harrison, who gained 52 yards on nine carries -- including a 39-yard blast on the Hillis TD drive -- was diplomatic about not getting the start.
"No, it didn't bother me at all," he said. "I'll just keep working when my number's called and try to make plays."
Cribbs says Browns beat Browns: Josh Cribbs said the Browns are better than Bucs, just not Sunday.
"It was us," he said. "We did it to ourselves. I don't think they did anything spectacular. The Browns beat the Browns. I'd love to give them fuller credit for being a good team -- for being a better team -- but it just wasn't so. We're better than that team. They were just better than us today."
Cribbs admitted he couldn't get it going, especially on returns. He averaged 9.7 yards on punt returns and 15.3 on kickoffs and fumbled on a punt return.
"I almost turned it over, too," he said. "We just beat ourselves completely and we can't do that in front of our home crowd because they won't accept that. We won't bring that to our home fans at Cleveland Browns Stadium."
But the loss hasn't dampened the enthusiasm, he said.
"It's still high," he said. "We just got to give our fans something better than what we did today."
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TAMPA, Fla. -- Peyton Hillis was thrilled to get the start at running back Sunday and fired up when he ran for a 10-yard TD to put the Browns up, 14-3, in the second quarter. But the elation turned to disappointment when he committed a costly fumble in the third quarter that cost the Browns at least a field goal.
On first and 10 from the Bucs' 15, Hillis ran for a yard and then coughed up the ball.
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"I guess it was a lack of concentration," said Hillis. "It doesn't need to happen. Especially a close game like it was today. It was my mistake and I need to get that fixed. I lost the ball and I've to fix that."
Hillis couldn't remember if the ball was ripped out or if he just lost it. He said the exchange with Jake Delhomme was fine.
"No matter if it was hit, or ripped out or I was falling down, that's my fault and I have to take care of that," he said. "Either way, I have to hold onto the ball and I've got to correct those mistakes. They trust me to put the ball in my hands and I didn't live up to what I needed to do on that play."
Hillis was overjoyed when he found out he was starting, getting the nod ahead of 2009 starter Jerome Harrison, who had 561 yards the final three games of last season. Hillis earned the starting nod after finishing second in both rushing (80) and receiving yards (86) in preseason.
"It's everything you've always wanted," said Hillis. "But you've got to go out there and respond better than what I did. You've got to convert better than what I did. I've got to get that stuff fixed coming into Kansas City next week."
Hillis is known for protecting the football. In 88 career carries, he's fumbled once. He was fumble-free in preseason.
"I guess this was my day where bad things happen," he said. "But good days will come."
Hillis caught a 16-yard pass on the opening play and caught four passes overall for 24 yards. He rushed for 41 yards on nine carries. Cashing in on great blocking by Eric Steinbach, who pulled left, Hillis skated in easily for his score.
"I just tried to do what I could do on that play," he said. "We had tremendous blocking. I don't think I got touched at the goal-line. But that was a great converted play and I need to respond and play like that more often."
Harrison, who gained 52 yards on nine carries -- including a 39-yard blast on the Hillis TD drive -- was diplomatic about not getting the start.
"No, it didn't bother me at all," he said. "I'll just keep working when my number's called and try to make plays."
Cribbs says Browns beat Browns: Josh Cribbs said the Browns are better than Bucs, just not Sunday.
"It was us," he said. "We did it to ourselves. I don't think they did anything spectacular. The Browns beat the Browns. I'd love to give them fuller credit for being a good team -- for being a better team -- but it just wasn't so. We're better than that team. They were just better than us today."
Cribbs admitted he couldn't get it going, especially on returns. He averaged 9.7 yards on punt returns and 15.3 on kickoffs and fumbled on a punt return.
"I almost turned it over, too," he said. "We just beat ourselves completely and we can't do that in front of our home crowd because they won't accept that. We won't bring that to our home fans at Cleveland Browns Stadium."
But the loss hasn't dampened the enthusiasm, he said.
"It's still high," he said. "We just got to give our fans something better than what we did today."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/09/sunny_start_turns_into_a_cloud.html
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a great season by Peyton Hillis!
"Hillis caught a 16-yard pass on the opening play and caught four passes overall for 24 yards. He rushed for 41 yards on nine carries. Cashing in on great blocking by Eric Steinbach, who pulled left, Hillis skated in easily for his score."
I have never seen a lineman get credit for blocking for someone who scored a TD. I guess Hillis needs someone to block the other players unlike those black runners that do it on their own.
I have never seen a lineman get credit for blocking for someone who scored a TD. I guess Hillis needs someone to block the other players unlike those black runners that do it on their own.
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jaxvid said:
Yep. In 50 years of observing football, I can't recall ever seeing an individual lineman credited by name for blocking on a TD run.
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Let's just hope the fumble was one of those fluke things for Hillis. He still scored 6 points for the team, and if the coach was willing to start him in the season opener, that puts him above 99% of NFL coaches in the past 15 years. I still have high expectations for Hillis and expect him to reach the endzone nearly every game this season, sometimes two or three times a game!
whiteathlete33
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The only problem is that Hillis actually had two fumbles yesterday. That's surprising for him since he had 0 fumbles in 2008 when he started six games.
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Gentlemen,
I don't think Hillis will be benched. He's an integral part of the offense. If they hadn't pulled him out of the game when they did and let TB come back, they'd have won that game. I think the coaches learned an important lesson when they brought him back into the game too late to pull their chestnuts out of the fire. He'll get his share of carries in my opinion.
Also, I just sent Hillis a letter complimenting him on his play and cautioning him on that display after his TD. Nothing good comes from baloney like that I told him.
Tom Iron...
I don't think Hillis will be benched. He's an integral part of the offense. If they hadn't pulled him out of the game when they did and let TB come back, they'd have won that game. I think the coaches learned an important lesson when they brought him back into the game too late to pull their chestnuts out of the fire. He'll get his share of carries in my opinion.
Also, I just sent Hillis a letter complimenting him on his play and cautioning him on that display after his TD. Nothing good comes from baloney like that I told him.
Tom Iron...
whiteathlete33
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One thing is for sure, it's a better situation for Hillis in Cleveland than in Denver. At least here they see his talent and will give him opportunities he would never have had in Denver.
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Tell him to watch Holmgren, that puke thinks he is an acolyte of Martin Luther King so self absorbed he is with his liberal image.
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What kind of fumbles were they? Flukey helmet to ball stuff? Or was he stretched out and the ball was a target. Or the worst case scenario and he was carrying the ball like the proverbial loaf of bread?
ToughJ.Riggins
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Yeah, I have the same question white is right. And also, was his lost fumble on a run or reception? Hillis did some great stuff for the Browns early, but his one lost fumble was costly- and his other- that was recovered didn't make him look good. If he loses a fumble next week again, even a completely fair coach may think about reducing his role (but not phasing him out completely) and make him earn back the same amount of playing time. But the bottom line is Hillis deserves a shot to redeem himself after looking great all pre-season and stay the starter this week. This was only week one.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
A fair coach wouldn't give a crap about a fumble from a guy that hardly ever fumbles. They Tampa coach, nor fans, nor media gave a crap about Cadillac Williams much worse fumble inside the five in the exact same game. Everybody blamed Tony Romo and the coach for the Dallas affrolete having a much much worse fumble. Joe McNight made the Jets team fumbling a remarkable 4 times in his limited carries in the preseason. The coach didn't care. The fact is black affletes fumble all the time without hardly a whisper or care from anybody. They don't lose their job, there are no rumors of replacing them, and the fumble is usually forgotten by Monday morning.
I remember the fumble just being a good play by Ruud, he was running through a bunch of traffic and Ruud came in low and came up and popped it out of his hands, it was hard to see a good angle, they replayed it from behind. It didn't look like anything to worry about, it is not like Hillis is prone to fumbles.
The caste media is on a full out campaign to minimize Peyton Hillis. I've seen the one fumble highlighted ad nausem, unprecidented credit given to blockers on Hillis' runs, and the pumping up of James Harrison from rotoworld. Since when does a RB who averaged 4.6 yards per carry have to worry about his back-up averaging slightly more in one game and described inaccurately as "more productive." Last time I checked TDs and recieving yards are part of production, but of course are ignored with Hillis. Only highlight the negative.
rotoroter:
"Harrison was more productive in terms of yards per carry, though most of his yardage came on a gain of 39 that set up Hillis' 10-yard score in the second quarter. Hillis got more touches and will be the primary red-zone back, so he appears to be a stronger fantasy bet than Harrison heading to Week 2 against Kansas City. If Hillis is on the waiver wire, pick him up"
rotoroter:
"Harrison was more productive in terms of yards per carry, though most of his yardage came on a gain of 39 that set up Hillis' 10-yard score in the second quarter. Hillis got more touches and will be the primary red-zone back, so he appears to be a stronger fantasy bet than Harrison heading to Week 2 against Kansas City. If Hillis is on the waiver wire, pick him up"
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This article talks about the much-discussed fumble, which was supposedly caused by the elbow of Browns TE Robert Royal (yeah, that loser is still playing football) who was attempting to block for Hillis. As others have mentioned, black fumbles (nearly 100% of all NFL fumbles) are instantly forgotten...
"After watching the replay the first time, at regular speed, I figured Hillis was at fault. The ball was in his hands, then it wasn't. He was hit by Tampa Bay linebacker Barrett Ruud, who must have jarred it loose. (The camera angle was from behind the Browns' backfield).
But when I routinely watched the play in slow motion, I was bothered by the fact that Ruud did not appear to hit Hillis near the ball. Ruud went low, and neither arm nor his lead shoulder was in the vicinity of the ball. So I kept rewinding. Eventually, I saw an elbow. It did not belong to Ruud or Hillis, but to Browns tight end Robert Royal. I started the play over and followed Royal scraping along the line from right to left. At the last instant, Royal attempted to squeeze into a tight space between the linebacker and Hillis. Ruud appeared to push Royal slightly and into Hillis. Royal's left elbow disappeared into Hillis. Two frames later, the ball was out."Â
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http://www.cleveland.com/dman/index.ssf/2010/09/dmans_world_upon_further_revie.html
"After watching the replay the first time, at regular speed, I figured Hillis was at fault. The ball was in his hands, then it wasn't. He was hit by Tampa Bay linebacker Barrett Ruud, who must have jarred it loose. (The camera angle was from behind the Browns' backfield).
But when I routinely watched the play in slow motion, I was bothered by the fact that Ruud did not appear to hit Hillis near the ball. Ruud went low, and neither arm nor his lead shoulder was in the vicinity of the ball. So I kept rewinding. Eventually, I saw an elbow. It did not belong to Ruud or Hillis, but to Browns tight end Robert Royal. I started the play over and followed Royal scraping along the line from right to left. At the last instant, Royal attempted to squeeze into a tight space between the linebacker and Hillis. Ruud appeared to push Royal slightly and into Hillis. Royal's left elbow disappeared into Hillis. Two frames later, the ball was out."Â
Link:
http://www.cleveland.com/dman/index.ssf/2010/09/dmans_world_upon_further_revie.html
ToughJ.Riggins
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Kaptain Poop said:
Yeah, I hear what you're saying. Adrian Peterson LOST 2 or 3 fumbles in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME last year, didn't he? He is still considered a top 3 or top 4 back in the league by Minnesota fans (they still love him). Hillis lost one fumble- and had one other that he recovered in just one game last week. Past history is the best indicator of a problem- and this is the first time Hillis has displayed a fumbling issue while running the ball (and he only fumbled once as a RUNNER). My point is if he loses another fumble next week- that would be two games in a row and I might be apt to reduce his role to 1/3 of carries if I were coach and make him earn back my trust. And also, I'd probably be more apt if this happens to trust Harrison to carry the ball to run out the clock.
Bruthas aren't held even close to the same standard. The Jets don't trust Joe McKnight yet, but the brutha still has the job over productive athletic freak Danny Woodhead...Yeah, cut a guy who has made the record books in the NCAA "AND" NFL, has better measurables overall, and is tougher with more upside and is more trust worthy etc. than McKnight. Only in the National Farce League.
Bottom line: Hillis is more of a first down machine than Harrison, displays elite receiving skills and is the better short yardage runner. Harrison is the better big play threat as a runner, but not as good at consistently making positive plays. In a fair world Hillis would still start next week and Harrison would only get 1/3-1/2 of the carries. Let's hope for the best result we can get in the NQL (National Quotas League).
an article about RB situation. here's the link
most of the comments are in favor of Harrison starting, few are reasonable ("39 on one carry means 13 yds on the other 8. He looked great on that one carry but got nowhere on the others.")
for example this gem by a DWF: Why would you even put Hillis in the mix? He might me a goal-line guy, but hasn't shown much more than that.
most of the comments are in favor of Harrison starting, few are reasonable ("39 on one carry means 13 yds on the other 8. He looked great on that one carry but got nowhere on the others.")
for example this gem by a DWF: Why would you even put Hillis in the mix? He might me a goal-line guy, but hasn't shown much more than that.
whiteathlete33
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backrow said:
That DWF probably has never even seen Hillis play. He just sees a white running back and automatically assumes he's just a goal line back.