Sean Carlisle
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I saw this guy run a sub 10sec 100 on you tube from 1996. Any one know if that was legit?
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albinosprint
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it was wind aided.
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albinosprint
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Vitally Savin of Kazakhstan ran (if I remember right)9.91 w/ 2.1 mps wind pushing him. he also had some low wind legal 10.0x and 10.1x. then he just disappeared. he was 5'10" and 198 lbs, would have made a nice running back.
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T&FN racked him in the top ten 100m sprinters in 1992. Savin not Karlsson.
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Nic Macrozonaris ran two sub 10 races in one day but they will both wind aided. As far as I know, he is the only white man to accomplish this twice although the wind made the times not recordable. Nic also ran a wind legal 10.03 so he is capable of running a wind legal sub 10 or at least he used to be. Injuries, lack of funding, etc, have plagued his career. It's probably too late for him at this point.
ToughJ.Riggins
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albinosprint said:
That right there proves a white man will do it one day. Too bad this was .1 MPS wind too much, so close. I think a white man like Pickering could run a legal 9.9 flat one day, but I'm not holding my breath for a white man to ever break Asafa Powell's 9.73 record, that just might be too fast for the white man. But is Asafa on the roids? I think he very well might be.
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It's a virtual certainty. He ran a crazy series of sub 9.8's back in 05'. The way he was popping those times off a clean athlete would have broken down. I think later in the season he had a groin strain from the over straining.
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Asafa on steroids? he was only dropping 9.XX like Justin Gatlin. its just a matter of time before him and the rest of them get nailed. I think the only clean elite black sprinter right now is Spearmon. the rest are juicing.
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albinosprint said:
I agree, I've mentioned that here before, I think. Maybe with the
Olympics coming up he might be tempted, but people in the know say
he's just not the kind who wants to do anything to ruin his health. He and
Wariner have that lean, normal looking build - like sprinters from decades
past, while the roid guys have more muscle than even most natural
bodybuilders can pack on.
The sub-10 talent is out there, it's a numbers game. Not a lot of whites
give it a go due to brainwashing and other interests, slotting, etc. and
whites tend to mature more slowly.
ToughJ.Riggins
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I don't mean to sound like a pro-caste pessimist. However, I think that there is about a 0.1 second difference in the top times elite whites and elite blacks can run in the 100 meters.
My theory is that it has to do with blacks having slightly longer legs "on average" for their size than whites and slightly longer calves on average. Whites tend to have stronger quads on average. Whites have an equal if not better initial burst on average b/c of this, but whites tend to have an ever so slightly lower top speed.
I have gotten this sense from watching the legs of black and white runners. The black runners seem to run more springy. I don't buy the loose hip theory of RBs at all, but I do get the sense that blacks run more jittery.
The other evidence that supports my theory is that whites tend to do better in short shuttles and 3 cones where starting and slowing momentum is important, that would indicate stronger quad muscles. I don't know how this would fit into vertical jumping which whites tend to be equally good as blacks at, but for broad jumping and long jumping blacks do tend to excel better than whites.
I agree with you Colonel though that there is a lot of brainwashing of whites that track is a black sport and many become discouraged to try other interests. I think we could see a clean white run a 9.9 one day, but I don't see a white running a 9.73 in my lifetime. I am just trying to be a realist, as to not disappoint myself.
The difference is small enough though that we should be seeing whites make the 100 meter finals occasionally. If a white man in my lifetime ever wins 100 meter Gold, I will be thrilled. That would be a shocker to the caste system. The problem is that most of the top 100 meter and 200 meter guys are juicing. I don't think Pickering is juicing and that puts him at even more a disadvantage. Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
My theory is that it has to do with blacks having slightly longer legs "on average" for their size than whites and slightly longer calves on average. Whites tend to have stronger quads on average. Whites have an equal if not better initial burst on average b/c of this, but whites tend to have an ever so slightly lower top speed.
I have gotten this sense from watching the legs of black and white runners. The black runners seem to run more springy. I don't buy the loose hip theory of RBs at all, but I do get the sense that blacks run more jittery.
The other evidence that supports my theory is that whites tend to do better in short shuttles and 3 cones where starting and slowing momentum is important, that would indicate stronger quad muscles. I don't know how this would fit into vertical jumping which whites tend to be equally good as blacks at, but for broad jumping and long jumping blacks do tend to excel better than whites.
I agree with you Colonel though that there is a lot of brainwashing of whites that track is a black sport and many become discouraged to try other interests. I think we could see a clean white run a 9.9 one day, but I don't see a white running a 9.73 in my lifetime. I am just trying to be a realist, as to not disappoint myself.
The difference is small enough though that we should be seeing whites make the 100 meter finals occasionally. If a white man in my lifetime ever wins 100 meter Gold, I will be thrilled. That would be a shocker to the caste system. The problem is that most of the top 100 meter and 200 meter guys are juicing. I don't think Pickering is juicing and that puts him at even more a disadvantage. Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
