Pete Rose

[Don Wassall]

The persecution of Pete Rose continues as his lifetime ban was once again upheld, this time by MLB's new commissioner Rob Manfred.

Another reason to like Donald Trump: He says Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame. Damn right he does:

http://www.nj.com/flyers/index.ssf/2015/12/donald_trump_rips_mlb_says_pete_rose_belongs_in_ha.html

 

[Riggins44]

The persecution of Pete Rose continues as his lifetime ban was once again upheld, this time by MLB's new commissioner Rob Manfred.

Another reason to like Donald Trump: He says Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame. Damn right he does:

http://www.nj.com/flyers/index.ssf/2015/12/donald_trump_rips_mlb_says_pete_rose_belongs_in_ha.html

This begs the question: Are there any members of the baseball HOF who have committed serious crimes? What's the most serious crime committed by a member of the HOF? With all the people in there surely someone most have been caught doing something pretty bad.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

Charlie Hustle should've been in Coopertown long ago. The pompous commie-shh-ner "Mansdead" is a typical windbag corporate stooge.

 

[Don Wassall]

This begs the question: Are there any members of the baseball HOF who have committed serious crimes? What's the most serious crime committed by a member of the HOF? With all the people in there surely someone most have been caught doing something pretty bad.

Orlando Cepeda was busted in his native Puerto Rico in 1978 trying to deliver five pounds of weed and was sentenced to five years imprisonment yet he still made the Hall of Fame despite having borderline credentials without even taking into account the arrest.

Pete Rose has no more chance of having his lifetime ban lifted by the hypocrites who run baseball than Charlie Manson does of being granted parole.

 

[Carolina Speed]

The persecution of Pete Rose continues as his lifetime ban was once again upheld, this time by MLB's new commissioner Rob Manfred.

Another reason to like Donald Trump: He says Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame. Damn right he does:

http://www.nj.com/flyers/index.ssf/2015/12/donald_trump_rips_mlb_says_pete_rose_belongs_in_ha.html

This is a tough one for me. As a kid I was a huge Cincinnati fan. They were my favorite team and Pete Rose was my favorite player. When I made my first little league team and I got to choose my number, I chose #14, Roses' number!

Rose is a person difficult to understand. I don't think he ever drank or did drugs and played the game the way it should be played. Like every game was his last. However, he was a horrible husband and father. Cheating on his first wife, publicly! It was very demeaning to his first wife. Should these things make him ineligible for the HOF? No, but it's hard to feel bad for him not getting in because he clearly knew that if he got caught gambling he would be ineligible for life. There's a sign in every MLB clubhouse that states this.

Yes, MLB is hypocritical, but MLB being that way didn't force Rose to gamble on baseball. Pete knew the rule and ignored it and got caught.

Should we let everyone who ignores the rules, laws, etc. get away with it?

I think Pete Rose the player should be in the HOF, but it's difficult to get past how stupid he was.

Why couldn't he just obey the rule?

I just don't know. As I said this has always been a tough decision for me, if it were up to me. I'm glad it's not.

 

[werewolf]

What did Rose do that was so bad? If he placed bets on his own team to win I don't see anything wrong with that. If he placed bets on the other team to win that's something else entirely, but as far as I know nobody ever even accused him of throwing a game.

 

[PHillisFan]

Rose should be in HOF. Gambling is no worse than being a coke head and still getting into the HOF. Just ask Lawrence Taylor.

 

[footballenthusiast]

 

[Don Wassall]

Very selective naming of players by Rose when it comes to speed. He names Hank Aaron but Aaron had average speed; he stole 240 bases in a 23 year career, while Ty Cobb, disparaged by Rose as not "athletic" by comparison to the blacks of Rose's day, had 897 in his career.

Stolen bases aren't the only measurement of speed but it's a pretty good one. Roberto Clemente had just 83 stolen bases in 18 years, while Cleon Jones (Cleon Jones?? he was far from a star) had just 91 stolen bases in 13 years, yet both are also cited by Rose along with Aaron. Babe Ruth, often portrayed by the anti-White media as little more than a fat slob, stole 123 bases.

There was also no shortage of slow black players during the '60 and '70s, the heyday of black players in MLB. Willie McCovey, George Scott, Willie Horton and others were among the very slowest players during that time.

But I won't be too hard on Pete, who looks and sounds like he's aged quite a bit of late. He was never an intellectual or anything close to it, just a great White jock who lived to play baseball. He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame but it still looks like he's not going to get in while he's alive, if ever.

 

[sport historian]

Very selective naming of players by Rose when it comes to speed. He names Hank Aaron but Aaron had average speed; he stole 240 bases in a 23 year career, while Ty Cobb, disparaged by Rose as not "athletic" by comparison to the blacks of Rose's day, had 897 in his career.

Stolen bases aren't the only measurement of speed but it's a pretty good one. Roberto Clemente had just 83 stolen bases in 18 years, while Cleon Jones (Cleon Jones?? he was far from a star) had just 91 stolen bases in 13 years, yet both are also cited by Rose along with Aaron. Babe Ruth, often portrayed by the anti-White media as little more than a fat slob, stole 123 bases.

There was also no shortage of slow black players during the '60 and '70s, the heyday of black players in MLB. Willie McCovey, George Scott, Willie Horton and others were among the very slowest players during that time.

But I won't be too hard on Pete, who looks and sounds like he's aged quite a bit of late. He was never an intellectual or anything close to it, just a great White jock who lived to play baseball. He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame but it still looks like he's not going to get in while he's alive, if ever.

This was part of Rose's act: A White guy with limited athleticism who did it with desire and hustle. I've seen Rose quoted, "I have no athletic ability." And "I run pretty good for a White man." He said things like this often, especially late in his career.

One of his biographers noted that Rose was an excellent athlete, lasting a long time in top form and missing few games. Rose also had a home run swing when he wanted to use it. Rose could play second base, third base, first base, left field or right field. This biographer noted that Rose played down his athletic ability. Again, part of his act was "black players have more talent than me."

Rose may have thought this would make the press like him. The writers did favor Rose because he was a good interview.

 

[Don Wassall]

This was part of Rose's act: A White guy with limited athleticism who did it with desire and hustle. I've seen Rose quoted, "I have no athletic ability." And "I run pretty good for a White man." He said things like this often, especially late in his career.

One of his biographers noted that Rose was an excellent athlete, lasting a long time in top form and missing few games. Rose also had a home run swing when he wanted to use it. Rose could play second base, third base, first base, left field or right field. This biographer noted that Rose played down his athletic ability. Again, part of his act was "black players have more talent than me."

Rose may have thought this would make the press like him. The writers did favor Rose because he was a good interview.

Reminiscent of the m.o. of another star athlete in Cincinnati (where Rose played the bulk of his career), namely one Cris Collinsworth, as shuck and jive as it gets when it comes to downplaying his athleticism and career.

 

[SneakyQuick]

It’s true that one good way to get press as a white athlete is to claim you are unathletic.


Too bad Scotty Miller can’t race tyreek hill. He said he was faster, be amazing if he beat him in a race. Course it will never be allowed, but dare to dream.

 

[Leonardfan]

RIP Charlie Hustle

 

[FootballDad]

Saw this from Mike Greenberg at BSPN that echoes my thoughts and has an appropriate photo.... https://x.com/Espngreeny/status/1840894132103102489









Mike Greenberg

@Espngreeny

There has never been another player like Pete Rose in my lifetime. This is the way I will remember him, playing the game harder than anyone else ever did. Few athletes will leave behind more complicated legacies. Today isn’t the day for that. Today, let’s just say thanks to Charlie Hustle, for playing the way we always dreamt we would if given the chance. #RIP




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[Freethinker]

RIP to an all time legend. Shame on Bud Selig, and his lackey Manfred, who denied Pete the honor of The Hall while he lived. Rose was a flawed man, but he more than paid for his “baseball sins”. He should be in among the greats, plain and simple.

 

[Leonardfan]

RIP to an all time legend. Shame on Bud Selig, and his lackey Manfred, who denied Pete the honor of The Hall while he lived. Rose was a flawed man, but he more than paid for his “baseball sins”. He should be in among the greats, plain and simple.

He certainly is among the greats, it's the elitist sports reporters and MLB playing gatekeeper on probably a top 5 all time player. At least most fans appreciate him and recognize that he is the best hitter in MLB history.

 

[white lightning]

Embattled MLB legend Pete Rose dies at 83

Pete Rose, the all-time hits leader who was banned from baseball for betting on the game, has died at age 83.

www.espn.com

No player should have went through what this legend did. Gambling whether people like it or not has always been lurking in the background. To never let this guy into the Baseball Hall of Fame while he was alive is a tragedy. They will probably put him in now but it's too late for him
to get what he deserved many decades ago!

 

[Gator Dad]

RIP Pete Rose. I've consistently said that a fair punishment for betting on the game, for any player, would be a one-year suspension. Banning someone for life for that while affletes who have committed far worse sins have been forgiven is neo-Stalinism at its finest.

Rose IS the hits king. The crown is his and the only one who can take it away is another player who earns it fair and square. No baseball "commissioner" who acts more like an Orwellian political commissar can take it away.

 

[Don Wassall]

"We interrupt this broadcast to bring you a special alert, brought to you by Draft Kings: Pete Rose has died."

This society is saturated with legal gambling, to the point that large corporations like Draft Kings routinely advertise during sports events and broadcasters often give spreads during football games. Total, vengeful, Talmudic type hypocrisy to have kept Rose out of Cooperstown all these years. The only justification would have been if Pete had bet against his teams, and he was never accused of that.

Ty Cobb's hits record used to be considered one of those famous "unbreakable" ones that fans loved to argue about. Well, Rose broke it and now his mark appears unbreakable. Ichiro may have topped it if he had played his entire career in the U.S., but he didn't and there's no one playing now or in the conceivable near future who will. Pete's 4,256 career hits have stood for nearly 40 years and may stand forever. It's a remarkable record if you think about it -- a player could get 200 hits for 20 straight seasons and still be 256 hits short.

Pete Rose personified hustle and effort. He was also a man of the people, beloved by working men around the country, not just in Cincinnati even though he was a bit of an arrogant jerk at times. All men are flawed. He was also one of the greatest players ever, one who lacked power and top shelf athleticism yet still made himself into a legend.

I remember Pete Rose as a presence from my earliest memories as I loved baseball with a passion, until he retired in 1986 after a 24 year career. He was one of a kind, and was treated most unkindly and unfairly by baseball's PTB, and also by the always lockstep corporate media. RIP

 

[Bucky]

RIP Pete!

 

[Freethinker]

"We interrupt this broadcast to bring you a special alert, brought to you by Draft Kings: Pete Rose has died."

This society is saturated with legal gambling, to the point that large corporations like Draft Kings routinely advertise during sports events and broadcasters often give spreads during football games. Total, vengeful, Talmudic type hypocrisy to have kept Rose out of Cooperstown all these years. The only justification would have been if Pete had bet against his teams, and he was never accused of that.

Ty Cobb's hits record used to be considered one of those famous "unbreakable" ones that fans loved to argue about. Well, Rose broke it and now his mark appears unbreakable. Ichiro may have topped it if he had played his entire career in the U.S., but he didn't and there's no one playing now or in the conceivable near future who will. Pete's 4,256 career hits have stood for nearly 40 years and may stand forever. It's a remarkable record if you think about it -- a player could get 200 hits for 20 straight seasons and still be 256 hits short.

Pete Rose personified hustle and effort. He was also a man of the people, beloved by working men around the country, not just in Cincinnati even though he was a bit of an arrogant jerk at times. All men are flawed. He was also one of the greatest players ever, one who lacked power and top shelf athleticism yet still made himself into a legend.

I remember Pete Rose as a presence from my earliest memories as I loved baseball with a passion, until he retired in 1986 after a 24 year career. He was one of a kind, and was treated most unkindly and unfairly by baseball's PTB, and also by the always lockstep corporate media. RIP

Great point about the sports gambling over-saturation everywhere.

I heard that (((Selig))) despised Rose for some reason and made it his life’s work to deny him The Hall. Manfred being a stooge of his, just continued the blacklisting. Did Pete metaphorically pee in Bud’s gefilte fish? Was it Pete’s “blue collar” play and persona that really got under the white collar tribesman’s skin? Maybe there’s more to that story that I am unaware of.

Anyway, I also remember Pete from my childhood as a showman who would appear on WWF shows occasionally. Here he is at a Wrestlemania cutting a “heel promo” on the city of Boston before getting a tombstone pile-driver from the 7 foot Kane.

 

[The Hock]

Great point about the sports gambling over-saturation everywhere.

I heard that (((Selig))) despised Rose for some reason and made it his life’s work to deny him The Hall. Manfred being a stooge of his, just continued the blacklisting. Did Pete metaphorically pee in Bud’s gefilte fish? Was it Pete’s “blue collar” play and persona that really got under the white collar tribesman’s skin? Maybe there’s more to that story that I am unaware of.

Anyway, I also remember Pete from my childhood as a showman who would appear on WWF shows occasionally. Here he is at a Wrestlemania cutting a “heel promo” on the city of Boston before getting a tombstone pile-driver from the 7 foot Kane.

That was great.

Only in America!

 

[The Hock]

 

[sport historian]

First, I have a lifelong disdain for gambling, but I suppose if someone is foolish enough to gamble it's their business. Gambling means ignoring statistical probability. If the House didn't come out way ahead they wouldn't be in business.

Baseball and corporate sports in general know gambling increases fan interest, which means more advertising income. But betting by players on games is forbidden and has to be if the games are to be "honest."

Pete Rose betting on his own team while a manager was not harmless. For example, if he was betting on Tuesday's game and not on Wednesday's, he might use a pitcher he would ordinarily have rested another day or two. Or he might make out his starting lineup differently. This meant he was trying harder to win on Tuesday than he would be on Wednesday. This means the games are not on the up and up.

The 1919 Chicago White Sox betting scandal was the all time worst. They deliberately lost the World Series but the gamblers didn't give them the payoff expected. Their punishment of a lifetime ban was appropriate. Rose insisted he never bet against his team, which I believe.

There was a case for Rose going in the HOF due to his historical importance to the game along with Baseball enmeshing itself in gambling the way it has now. But putting him in now after his death means nothing.

 

[icsept]

Circa 1976, Pete Rose and Bruce Jenner were the ultimate American male athletic icons. The bicentennial Olympic decathlon gold medalist; and the captain of the Big Red Machine, the greatest team of America’s pastime. Good times.