NFL Breeding Program

[Ieroner]

Here's a fun hypothetical. You are put in charge of a breeding program to make some white babies who would have the potential to grow up to be NFL athletes. Such a program isn't totally necessary since there are plenty of talented white guys out there who are free agents, or who went undrafted, or who are backups, but it's a fun thing to think about, isn't it? Plus if we managed to produce a bunch of white men who are running 4.2 40 yard dashes their right to see NFL action would be undeniable.



1. Which men would you ask for sperm from? You aren't limited to only current and former NFL players; you can ask other types of athletes as well.

2. Which women would you ask for eggs from?



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3. What would you say to them to get them to contribute to the project?

4. Maybe you need some more money to fund this project. Which wealthy people do you ask for money and how do you pitch it to them?

5. Would you keep the project a secret or make it public knowledge?

6. How would you raise the kids?

 

[The Hock]

We could start with your mama.

 

[davidholly]

The white talent is already there, the caste just ignores it.

 

[whiteathlete33]

I have no doubt that Iorener will be make another fine caste football member.

 

[white is right]

I have no doubt that Iorener will be make another fine caste football member.

I will take the bait and say if you want a QB then you could take a general like Arminius and a nice Teutonic like Steffi Graf who could be argued as the greatest all around female athlete ever. If it was a wide out or a defensive back I would take Armin Hary combined with Irina Privalova and you could have the greatest short burst athlete ever.

 

[Liverlips]

Jimmy the Greek got fired for it but he was correct. Slave owners did selectively breed their slaves to produce bigger, stronger slaves. How many black Africans do you see that are big and strong? Sure, there are some big guys from Nigeria, but most African blacks are lanky.

 

[Don Wassall]

Jimmy the Greek got fired for it but he was correct. Slave owners did selectively breed their slaves to produce bigger, stronger slaves. How many black Africans do you see that are big and strong? Sure, there are some big guys from Nigeria, but most African blacks are lanky.

If they did then it was a colossal failure. I see very few blacks who look to be what I would call athletic. A small subset yes, but the vast majority are either thin, obese, or small. And few of the averaged sized ones impress as looking to have athletic gifts, certainly no more so than the average White. Black males on average have more health problems than White men, and die much younger.

I don't believe there was any coordinated eugenics breeding program. And even if there was, just a few generations of "breeding" is going to have little overall effect on a race of people that goes back at least hundreds of thousands of years. There might have been a tendency to mate the biggest males with the biggest females, which may account for the many super-sized morbidly obese blacks we see today, but there certainly wasn't any design to bring about blacks that could sprint across the plantation faster, or swivel their hips better when picking cotton. If it was to make them bigger and stronger, blacks still noticeably lag behind Whites in strength and endurance.

 

[Lew]

Jimmy the Greek got fired for it but he was correct. Slave owners did selectively breed their slaves to produce bigger, stronger slaves. How many black Africans do you see that are big and strong? Sure, there are some big guys from Nigeria, but most African blacks are lanky.

I think that's just a CM myth. The reason american blacks are bigger is because of the infusion of white genetics.

 

[davidholly]

The reason American blacks are bigger is because they aren't starving to death. America is the only country on earth with a sizable population of fat blacks.

What's really going to change the racial dynamic of football is the no huddle offense. NFL defenses have been exposed, the overwhelmingly black defenses can't keep up with high tempo offenses. Whites excel at high tempo offenses because they have superior long term stamina and a better grasp of the playbook. To keep up defenses will have to get whiter or we'll continue to see QBs putting up record breaking numbers each week.

I'm being too optimistic though, DWFs will continue to delude themselves into thinking offenses are only getting better because of rule changes. Meanwhile their favorite defensive players are suffering cardiac arrest.

 

[Awake in America]

In the Billy Goats Gruff, what was it that lived under the bridge?

 

[davidholly]

Why do people think you need to be a hulking beast to farm cotton? If I were going to breed slaves for picking cotton I'd make their fingers nimble, their bodies lanky and give them slow metabolism so I wouldn't have to feed them. Most of the heavy lifting on farms back then was done by beasts of burden.

 

[white is right]

Why do people think you need to be a hulking beast to farm cotton? If I were going to breed slaves for picking cotton I'd make their fingers nimble, their bodies lanky and give them slow metabolism so I wouldn't have to feed them. Most of the heavy lifting on farms back then was done by beasts of burden.

Yes a build of the stereotypical Chinese peasant would be the most efficient for planting and picking in a field. In fact at one time when slavery had just ended I found that some Chinese were brought into the south to plant and pick cotton and rice and maybe tobacco. I know in the Caribbean this happened when slavery ended, Indians and Chinese were brought in to plant and harvest sugar cane, bananas and cocoa.

 

[white is right]

I think that's just a CM myth. The reason american blacks are bigger is because of the infusion of white genetics.

Yes on average the American ******* is about 1/5 White. That is the real reason why you see some huge O line and D lineman(even without steroids). Just look at Reggie and his brother Raleigh McKenzie.

 

[Leonardfan]

Not sure how this thread has gained any traction or why it has garnered so many responses. I figured it would of been locked by now.

 

[Ieroner]

I don't understand why anyone thinks this is a troll thread. It was supposed to be fun, not make people angry. As I said right at the top of the first post, such a program isn't necessary to make whites competitive--we already are competitive when given the opportunity. But we all know how much fun it is to root for talented white players and how exciting it is to watch when them outrun/outwit non-white athletes or break tackles and make the big play, so how much fun would it be to see even more of that?

I'd combine Chris Lemaitre and Marybeth Sant. Lemaitre is one of the only whites known to have run below 10.00 in the 100m. I don't know how smart he is but I know he's going to a french university majoring in one of the hard sciences so he's probably of above average intelligence. Marybeth Sant is the fastest high school girl in the U.S. right now and I think she had a decent GPA. Now she's got a scholarship to Oregon I believe. Lemaitre is 6'2" and Sant is 5'1" so the height of the child would be unpredictable. If Sant were a male she'd probably be 5'5" or 5'6". If their son was more towards the 5'6" end, he'd be a speedy, Sproles/Woodhead esque running back. If more towards Lemaitre's height he could be a blazing fast cornerback or wide receiver.

This one's more risky, but I'd combine Matt Jones and Elena Delle Donne. Jones is 6'6" and ran a blazing fast 40 yard dash--he was a quarterback in college but got moved to wide receiver and wasted years with the Jags and then ruined his career with drugs, but I'm hoping in his case the tendency for drug use isn't genetic. Delle Donne is 6'5" and was the WNBA's rookie of the year and also happens to be radiantly beautiful and smarter than average (won some academic awards at UD). Not sure how fast she is but she's an all-around great athlete, and the fact that she's at least somewhat intelligent is important since Jones only scored a 19 on the Wonderlic. Their son would be an enormous, athletic kid of great speed, and hopefully he'd get his mother's brains.

 

[Pie]

Don't take it personally, but when someone first post and thread comes off in a way that suggests we would need selective breeding in order to compete in athletics is going to ruffle some feathers.

That being said, unless something changes, Gronk is going to end up producing an army with a wide selection of women whether he intends to or not, haha. Who knows what's going to come out of that.

 

[Freethinker]

I'll give Ieroner the benefit of the doubt and indulge a bit on this topic. I think pairing 2 great White athletes of opposite sexes and hypothetically breeding them as if we are trying to come up with the next Triple Crown winning thoroughbred is a bit silly.

However we do have real life examples of 2 athletic parents giving birth to a top athlete child. All the sons of former football, baseball, soccer and basketball players is pretty extensive. Did these guys have a genetic advantage? Perhaps, but they really have an advantage in proper healthy upbringing, training, coaching, knowledge, guidance, fitness, etc. Conversely, the Lemaitre / Sant child could be raised to be an obese, lazy, video game addicted, home body who never taps a fraction of his or her athletic potential.

I think nonathletic parents could raise a great athlete if they do the right things. Encourage good fitness, prepare healthy meals, allow the kid to play outdoors, teach the sports fundamentals at a young age, encourage academics, limit video games / tv, etc and you've got a chance. Heck, there are countless White kids across America who fit what I just described. I know there are some dads on CF who do just that, as I plan to do when I have children.

It's funny white is right mention Steffi Graf, as she already has bred with a top athlete, Andre Agassi. They are married and have 2 children (boy and girl) so it'll be interesting to see if either becomes a professional athlete some day.

 

[Truthteller]

This one's more risky, but I'd combine Matt Jones and Elena Delle Donne. Jones is 6'6" and ran a blazing fast 40 yard dash--he was a quarterback in college but got moved to wide receiver and wasted years with the Jags and then ruined his career with drugs, but I'm hoping in his case the tendency for drug use isn't genetic. Delle Donne is 6'5" and was the WNBA's rookie of the year and also happens to be radiantly beautiful and smarter than average (won some academic awards at UD). Not sure how fast she is but she's an all-around great athlete, and the fact that she's at least somewhat intelligent is important since Jones only scored a 19 on the Wonderlic. Their son would be an enormous, athletic kid of great speed, and hopefully he'd get his mother's brains.

By the way, Elena Della Donne, who is likely a lesbian, has an older brother who went to Duke as a highly regarded tight end. He failed to get much playing time there, then went to Middle Tennessee State and was like a third string tight end as a junior and senior? Her father, who she seems to resemble is also very tall, only topped out as an Ivy league basketball star at lowly Columbia.

What makes you think that if she ever had a son, he'd be any more athletic than her own father and brother?

This is a stupid topic. If this is the same troll that posts all the time here, this thread is no doubt inspired by my recent post regarding Jordan Cameron's skanky, older sister. She was a freshman basketball star at USC, until she got pregnant and had a son with Matt Leinert....Recently, she had her second out of wedlock son with freaky looking NBA mulatto Blake Griffin, who is friends with Jordan Cameron.

 

[dwid]

I think sons of former athletes have their main advantage through connections. I mean, would Clay Matthews even be known as a top pass rusher if it wasn't for his family bloodline? He was a late bloomer as in didn't grow into his body mid college, growing 3 inches and putting on massive weight. People can claim steroids all they want but they don't make you grow taller. He walked on to USC and got playing opportunity. I don't think many White kids would have gotten this benefit. He didn't put up amazing stats but lit up the combine. Would he have been invited if it weren't for his family? Then puts up amazing workout numbers with like a 1.43 10 yard split. Would he have been considered anything more than a workout warrior/special teams demon type guy? I don't know, but I think he had help. We have TONS of Whites who probably are in a similar situation and never even heard of, probably on some FCS, d2 or even d3 team, or perhaps given up on football all together. A small amount get lucky and make it to d1 fbs (Welker barely made it), and then an even smaller amount manage to actually get a real chance in the league.

I mean it doesn't even have to be a former athlete, it could be a coach. Brandon Stokley got into ULL because of his father, who also had NFL connections. Would Stokley have been given the shots he has had without that?

You want NFL breeding. Archie Manning and Olivia Manning. Archie had some pretty damn good speed, Olivia was athletic but I am guessing not the type of athletic Archie was. Still they put out Peyton Manning and Eli Manning who are top quarterbacks and more athletic than given credit for. Apparently Cooper was the fastest, running a 4.6 out of high school and probably just a little shorter than Peyton and Eli (he didn't look much different than Peyton in videos so I don't know the size difference, he may be taller). He probably would have gotten down to a 4.5 at least, so that would have been a vey rgood size/speed combo. Without the spinal stenosis we could have seen an awesome hookup with Peyton to Cooper for at least one year (Peyton even said himself he probably would have went to Ole Miss if Cooper was playing football). The Ole Miss coach said himself he wouldn't have gotten Cooper if it weren't for Archie, who actually made it harder because when it was time to put a 40 time down he told Cooper to be honest so he put 4.6 instead a faster time like he wanted, and the coach was thinking he ran a 4.9 or 5 second 40 because most kids lie about how fast they run.

 

[Toby Hillis]

Though its way off this (weird) topic, I feel compelled to make a comment about Elena: I'm actually from Delaware, grew up in the same area she did, ran a restaurant at the time where several of her classmates also worked. Can't say she's a lesbian but she was/is a mudshark, at least in high school, she had a steady black basketball player boyfriend at the time. Maybe they'll make some "affletic" kids one day. Sorry, I know it kills me to think about, too. Probably made her dad even more nuts. He is a SUPER rich real estate developer who owns half of the properties in Northern Delaware. You can't drive a half mile in Delaware without seeing a Delle Donne and Associates sign.

 

[Carolina Speed]

I'll give Ieroner the benefit of the doubt and indulge a bit on this topic. I think pairing 2 great White athletes of opposite sexes and hypothetically breeding them as if we are trying to come up with the next Triple Crown winning thoroughbred is a bit silly.

However we do have real life examples of 2 athletic parents giving birth to a top athlete child. All the sons of former football, baseball, soccer and basketball players is pretty extensive. Did these guys have a genetic advantage? Perhaps, but they really have an advantage in proper healthy upbringing, training, coaching, knowledge, guidance, fitness, etc. Conversely, the Lemaitre / Sant child could be raised to be an obese, lazy, video game addicted, home body who never taps a fraction of his or her athletic potential.

I think nonathletic parents could raise a great athlete if they do the right things. Encourage good fitness, prepare healthy meals, allow the kid to play outdoors, teach the sports fundamentals at a young age, encourage academics, limit video games / tv, etc and you've got a chance. Heck, there are countless White kids across America who fit what I just described. I know there are some dads on CF who do just that, as I plan to do when I have children.

It's funny white is right mention Steffi Graf, as she already has bred with a top athlete, Andre Agassi. They are married and have 2 children (boy and girl) so it'll be interesting to see if either becomes a professional athlete some day.

Agreed,

Jeremy Wariner received no athletic legacy from his parents. His father is a landscaper, his mother a paralegal with no athletic background, not even in high school.