Neocons & Libs

[White Shogun]

I know there are a lot of folks on this site who don't like Bush and the neo-cons. If you're one of those, would you or did you support Kerry in the last election? Any reason why you think he would be any better than the current president?

Just curious.

 

[sport historian]

I don't think Kerry wuld have been any better, but there would have been some differences. For one thing, the Beltway Right would have spent all it's time digging up dirt on Kerry in the same way they did with Clinton. The late Samuel Francis felt that the WSJ, American Spectator, Weekly Standard types did this as a way of avoiding real issues, like immigration.


I don't think Kerry has the emotional commitment that Bush has to bringing in as many Mexicans as possible.

 

[White_Savage]

I used my vote to say "screw you!" as I do every year and voted Libertarian.

 

[Bart]

I know there are a lot of folks on this site who don't like Bush and the neo-cons. If you're one of those, would you or did you support Kerry in the last election? Just curious.

Kerry -Kohn is a pompous snob with a highly embellished war record. Purple Hearts for scratches and slivers? He is another phony baloney weasel of the same order asHillary and Cigar boy.


Bushfooled the conservative lemmings who thought he was one of them. He has done NOTHING about the border situation and still promotes affrirmative action and diversity at the expense of whites. We've invaded Iraq on the LIE of weapons of mass destruction and made up a whole slew of new lies to keep us there. He is AIPAC'S servant.


In the wake of the Katrina fiascohe comes up with another goofy speech. Did he condemn the incredibly vile behavior of the blacks? No, of course not. Did we have a single leader who had the guts to speak the truth? Cowards and traitors all.


I didn't hear his loony speech but snipped a few lines of a news report. What do you know, the problem is racism --always racism. We just never do enough for those Po folks.


Snip:Bush vowed to help rebuild the region with an eye toward wiping out the persistent poverty and racial injustice that exist there.


"As we clear away the debris of a hurricane, let us also clear away the legacy of inequality," he said at a prayer service at Washington National Cathedral in memory of Hurricane Katrina's victims.

 

[Bronk]

Already in the Bush frying pan, why would I opt for the Kerry fire?

Like White Savage, I go the screw all of you route by voting Libertarian whenever I can, but I am reduced to doing so for lack of any kind of third party on the ballot that I can support.

I am looking into dropping out of this mess altogether.

 

[Don Wassall]

Bush iseasy for a lot of people to dislike because he'sintellectually dulland disinterested in the world around him. Such qualities ought to make it obvious to everyone that he's merely a front man for other interests, but alas the American people continue to be amazingly naive and trusting.


It wouldn't make any significant difference if Kerry was president. He'dfollow the imperial interests of the owners of the Empire, as all Democrats and Republicans who run for president have and will continue to do until the two-party monopoly is broken.


My guess three years before the next presidential election is that Hillary Clinton will be elected in 2008. She's the natural choice because the establishment would have a field day with the female/feminist element and use it to try and maintain interest in the corrupt and closed U.S. political system, not to mention maintaining its legitimacy in the eyes of a sufficient number of Middle Americans. It would also be great fuel for the contrived "gender war" which is the most effective weapon the system still has to keep Americans divided and manipulated.

 

[Realgeorge]

I wonder if Rush Limbaugh would attack Saint Hillary if she were President and fully backed by the NWO establishment. Ol' Rush is an oily dude who serves his masters well.

 

[Bart]

My guess three years before the next presidential election is that Hillary Clinton will be elected in 2008.

Bill and Hillary often told us they were a team working as one. Voting for one will also get you the other. If Hillary wins the white house we'll see Bill on the tube every day advising about everything under the sun. They are scum no doubt but they are smart.


Billy boy had no qualms about protesting the Viet Nam war when his lard butt was at stake. Yesiree!Mr.Peacenik led protests against the effort. However, when speaking before a crowd of influencial Jews he morph's into agung-ho Rambo who will fight to the death for---Israel?! The two headed Billary beast knows who to suck up to. Read the quote below but be prepared to vomit.


NEW YORK, Aug 02, 2002 (AP Online via COMTEX) -- Former President Bill Clinton, who avoided the Vietnam War, told Jewish supporters in Toronto that he would fight and die to protect Israel if Iraq ever invaded.


"I would personally get in a ditch, grab a rifle, and fight and die," Clinton said to cheers at a Hadassah children's charity fund-raising dinner this week. His comments were first reported in the Toronto Star.

 

[White Shogun]

I wonder if Rush Limbaugh would attack Saint Hillary if she were President and fully backed by the NWO establishment. Ol' Rush is an oily dude who serves his masters well.

George, do you ever listen to his show? There is no way Rush would ever say anything nice about Hillary. If it happens, I will gladly come here and eat crow, publicly.

 

[Don Wassall]

I agree with White Shogun about Limbaugh. His shtick -- from which he makes around $30 million per year -- is tokeep convincinghis audience of 20 million listeners that there are vast differences between the Democrat and Republican parties, and that liberals represent the personification of evil while conservatives are the good guys who would cut government back to size if only the traitorous liberals would let them. He will never have anything nice to say about Hillary Clinton, eventhough she has become political allies with the likes of Newt Gingrich and other neo-cons.

 

[White Shogun]

Hillary Clinton, even though she has become political allies with the likes of Newt Gingrich and other neo-cons.

Speaking of shtick - this is as much of a con as anything the Clintons have ever pulled off. I don't know if you guys think votes actually determine the outcome of an election, but Hillary IMO is desperately attempting to convince those same 20 million Rush dittoheads that she is actually a "moderate", whatever that is.

 

[Bart]

Do you remember the Gingrich revolution?What happened? We were led to believe that once we wrestled the power away from the Demoncrats we'dwitness major changes. Since then, the Stupid party has has taken the Oval Office and strong armed the House. What do we have to show for it? Bush has yet to veto anything and spends money like a drunken sailor.


Manyof our cities are becoming unlivable, resembling third world countries. We've got Mestizo gangs terrorizing us at all points and Georgie wants to give them more of our money instead of throwing em out and closing the door.The black residents and leaders of New Orleans have totally messed everything up and we're giving them blank checks and high fives. Could Demorats do worse?


Did any government agenciesget reprimanded for 9-11?Who was watching the store? Who has been fired for the so-called faulty intelligence concerning weapons of mass destruction? Any one responsible anywhere? Sandy Burglar gets less than a slap on the wrist for stealing documents when he he should be hanged by the neck! AIPAC is spying on us with impunity and nary a word is spoken. What the hell is going on?


Soldiers are being blown up forcing Democracy on Arabswho have followed Islam almost 1400 years.That's gonna work real well! And we're not content with Iraq; Syria, Iran and Jordan are next.


I filled my gas tank last week at the price of 3.39 per gallon.My energy bills are way up and winter hasn't even arrived. Milk has doubled and my taxes have gone through the roof. The grenade with a bad haircut told us about the wooshing sound of all the jobs going to Mexico, he was right but forgot to tell us about China grinding us to dust. Rush reminds me of people fighting over deck chairs on the Titanicwhile ignoring the iceberg piercing the hull.

 

[Bronk]

Bart, I couldn't have said it better.

 

[White Shogun]

Could Demorats do worse?

Yes.

Lest anyone here be mistaken, I'm no Bush nuthugger. My idea of supporting the troops is to bring them home.

But I definitely believe that things could be / would be worse under Kerry. The Democrats are the party of legalized homosexual unions, abortion, affirmative action, and they support even worse idiots like Rev Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackons. I didn't see either of those two guys running for the Republican party nomination for President.

 

[Southern Knight]

Gentlemen, gentlemen....you are all missing the obvious point. We
don't have a "two-party monopoly," ans Mr. Wassall suggests. We
have a one-party dictatorship, no different from the Soviet
Union. (Remember, there were "elections" in the USSR, where the
people had their choice of 2 or 3 Communist Party members). Our
system is no different; we have the choice of choosing between 2 or 3
members of the Federal Party (regardless of whether they are of the
Democrat or Republican FACTION of the Federal Party).



Don't believe me? Consider this: Dems and Reps -- who publicly
profess to despise each other -- ALWAYS work hand-in-glove to keep
third party and independent candidates off of state and national
ballots. Gee, I wonder why? Is it because they don't want
anyone crashing the Federal Party?



Additional proof that we have a one-party system --- Neither "party",
when rising to power, dismantles ANY of the bureaucratic apparatus
installed by the other "party." Take the federal Department of
Education, for example: it was created by Jimmy Carter. It has no
constitutional basis to support its existence. Yet the Republican
Bushes didn't dissolve it -- in fact, W. has doubled the size of this
monstrosity.



And one more thing --- George H.W. Bush is the "prototypical" Rep and
Bill Clinton is the "prototypical" Dem. You'd think they couldn't
stand the sight of each other. But now they're buddy-buddy,
criss-crossing the country with their "unified" plan to save
America. Just another example of the One-World, One-Party
government the Bushies have envisioned for the planet.



TRUE conservative Joe Sobran (former editor of National Review)
recently wrote that elections serve a very important function in
today's America; they support the blatant fiction that we have a
two-party system. So true, so true.

 

[sport historian]

If (when) Hillary gets in, Limbaugh and Company would just resume their Clinton-bashing of the 1990's. We would revisit Whitewater and the Arkansas State Troopers. The main issue would be Hillary's sexual preferences. This would keep things off important issues which is how our rulers, and the beltway right in particular, want it.

 

[Don Wassall]

Gentlemen, gentlemen....you are all missing the obvious point. We don't have a "two-party monopoly," ans Mr. Wassall suggests. We have a one-party dictatorship, no different from the Soviet Union.

Actually, I don't disagree with you and that's the point I was trying to make, but not in as blunt a manner. Two parties that allow no genuine opposition and which agree on all the important issues are not two parties but one party with two wings.


If you looked at charts showing the growth of government over the past 75 years,the growth of the federal deficit, the growth in taxes, etc., there would be no difference between when a "conservative Republican" administration was in power and a "liberal Democrat" one.


As far as social issues, there can be sharp differences in rhetoric and supposed beliefs between the two (the kind of stuff Limbaugh and Co. love to make a big deal over), but when it comes to actual policy again there is no difference. Affirmative action started at the federal level in earnest under Nixon and has gotten progressively worse ever since. When was the last time the Republicans even talked about affirmative action much less evidenced any intent to stop it?


Same with abortion. The GOP has had most of the Supreme Court nominations for the past 32 years since Roe v. Wade was issued and haven't changed the composition of the Court in a decisively conservative, pro-Constitutiondirection and never will. John Roberts will be yet another one of those "social moderates" that conservatives scratch their heads over and wonder "how did it happen again?" (Personally, I think the only solution to the abortion issue is to make it a states rights issue, as should just about everything else.)


The only issue where there is a real difference between the two is on gun control, but even there it is the overwhelming and active opposition of the people that has prevented gun confiscation. If only Americans were one-tenth as aware when it comes to everything else.Edited by: Don Wassall

 

[Bart]

Dem and Pub leaderspretend to be at opposite extremes of the poitical spectrum but in fact are joined at the hip.Shrubgave a speech honoring the Clinton's at the dedication of Slickster's library.George praised him and his witch wife to the high heavens-- truly sickening. During elections they posture and spout all the slogans party faithfuls want to hear but afterwards get together with the - enemy - and laugh at us while dividing the spoils. If the Bushes truly believed Conservative ideals, could theypal around with and honor one of the most corrupt and dishonestfigures to everdisgrace the presidency? You'd think Bush Sr. would smack BJ Bill with a driver rather thanescort him all over the course.

Hey41! And.. remember when all the blue collarflag waving right-wingers thought they could throw me out ?! Ha haha ! I'm sure glad we nailed em with NAFTA !

 

[White Shogun]

The only issue where there is a real difference between the two is on gun control, but even there it is the overwhelming and active opposition of the people that has prevented gun confiscation. If only Americans were one-tenth as aware when it comes to everything else.

Oddly enough, the Democratic party platform is as anti-gun as they come. But there are plenty of Democratic congressman who vote against varying types of gun legislation all the time. It does seem to be the one true issue (besides the religion of abortion rights) that motivates people at a grass roots level. Would that we could bring the same type of action on behalf of the rights of white Americans.

You all are right about the lack of any real change. They argue and stump on the election trail about this and that, but nothing ever really changes when they get into office. Sometimes I'm glad they don't do what they say they will, and other times I'm shocked and saddened when they do.

 

[Colonel Callan]

There wouldn't be much difference if Kerry had won. The only difference
between the two "parties" is the pace at which different things happen, in
terms of making things worse. They all work for the same masters.

Bart comes off like he lives right out here in Southern California, the
mecca for the majority of mestizo savages wandering across what used to
be our border. The new, politically favored group, politically apathetic,
unintelligent, satisfied with low level jobs and social assistance.

Things have to get worse in order for them to eventually become better.
Whites have to be forced to think along racial lines, they have to lose the
comfort zone most enjoy right now. That day is coming, no matter how
much control the puppeteers think they have over the situation.

Screm 'em all. They despise us. The ones that don't are cowards, afraid
of the controlled media, or just self centered greedy traitors who put
bribes and fun times ahead of serving their own people.

 

[Bronk]

Things have to get worse in order for them to eventually become better.
Whites have to be forced to think along racial lines, they have to lose the comfort zone most enjoy right now.

Yes, this is, sadly, true. Whites are shackled by their own affluence and are happy to wear the golden handcuffs so long as they are loose and comfortable and don't hinder movement too much. I shudder to think how serious a crisis will have to slam us for us to wake up. By then it will probably be too late anyway. Unairconditioned reality

We are in a dictatorship of our own making, we allow it to go on. In most places around the globe, political repression is achieved through fear and force: secret police, gulags, etc. In places like the USA, it is achieved more subtly and indirectly through TV, porn, consumerism, easily available sedatives etc. Instead of forced into line we are seduced into line. I do not believe in some grand conspiracy that is orchestrating this, simply that the first in a consequence of the second.

 

[GWTJ]

To get an idea of how whites will handle blacks in the future, read this:





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All we need is authorities(mayor, police etc.)to support us and we will be fine.

 

[Southern Knight]

Bronk writes: "In most places around the globe, political repression is achieved
through fear and force: secret police, gulags, etc. In places like the
USA, it is achieved more subtly and indirectly through TV, porn</span>,
consumerism, easily available sedatives etc."



Interesting point. This is similar to a comment I once heard from
a Danish man, who said that the Danish government allows liberal access
to the most extreme porn in order to dupe the Danes into believing that
they are somehow "free." Our numerous consumer choices in the US
likewise serve to mask the oppression that we live under.



In other words, you can't speak the truth about race in public (or
complain too loudly if your daughter is raped by a black or mestizo
savage) or buy whatever type of gun you wish to have, but -- by golly
-- you have 45 different types of toothpaste to choose from! This
truly IS the greatest country in the world!

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Yeah, its just like what Alexandr Solzhenitsyn said when he came to America in the 80's. The US has freely accepted what the Soviets forced on their people, that being post-modernism, and all the ills it brings.

 

[White Shogun]

Is this what you all have been talking about? The merging of conservativism with liberalism?

http://www.vdare.com/francis/comp_conservatism.htm