seattlefan
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He's in trouble for being physically abusive to players in his practices.
[video=youtube;Mtf6eWtGWh0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtf6eWtGWh0[/video]
Mike Rice of Rutgers - the mindset of the wigger coach
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He's in trouble for being physically abusive to players in his practices.
[video=youtube;Mtf6eWtGWh0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtf6eWtGWh0[/video]
I don't see the parts in this video as being "physically abusive". I think that term is over used and thrown out too quickly. Every coach I've ever played for has grabbed guys and put them in the right spot. It's a good way to impress upon a player where they should be on a play. I think he'll get in trouble more for saying ****** then for anything else. He might in fact be a whigger coach but I think people coming down on him for this is just more pussyfication of society. My two cents anyway.
I disagree, the guy's a total, one hundred percent a-hole.
knightedsoldier5000
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I was ready to defend this guy for using "gay slurs" but his actions are totally uncalled for. Any player would be justified in physically defending themselves from that wigger. It just shows how mentally unstable these negro sports worshippers are. I've met people who are so completely obsessed with sports and worship the black stars, it's really pathetic and these people bring down our society in a lot of ways.
These coaches makes tons of money too. Our priorities are way out of wack. Education should be the primary concern of colleges, not creating a top notch sports program filled with black thugs.
These coaches makes tons of money too. Our priorities are way out of wack. Education should be the primary concern of colleges, not creating a top notch sports program filled with black thugs.
Thrashen
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I had a football coach at my DII college who was far more “abusive” than this and it made every moment tense and we all loathed him. Then again, he was mostly hitting/shoving/throwing stuff when we were wearing pads and helmets, so I guess it’s a little different than basketball. This was only 5 years ago and nobody, even the black players who weren’t accustomed to ever being physically mistreated or talked to in an aggressive manner (they are mostly all raised by women), “told” the athletic director about his ridiculous antics.
Of course, I also see Jaxvid’s point that female-dominated society is far too sensitive to young men being physically and/or verbally mistreated in situations such as high school and collegiate sports or in the army. This sort of thing should be a normal white father-son relationship (you screw up and he gets on your case)…I know it was with my dad and I’m all the better for it.
Of course, I also see Jaxvid’s point that female-dominated society is far too sensitive to young men being physically and/or verbally mistreated in situations such as high school and collegiate sports or in the army. This sort of thing should be a normal white father-son relationship (you screw up and he gets on your case)…I know it was with my dad and I’m all the better for it.
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Freethinker
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Great post which I whole-hardheadedly agree with.
I read some of the accusations against Rice and one immediately stood out (emphasis are mine):
(Gilvydas) Biruta, who was born in Lithuania but played high school basketball in New Jersey, described his treatment.
"He would throw his cap at me and he would call me many names," he said of Rice. "The adjectives were creative. They were mean words."
Biruta said Rice's insults were often not about his game but about him personally. "If you're going to criticize me as a basketball player, I'm OK with that," he said, "but he would criticize me as a person."
On a 30-minute video (Eric) Murdock said he showed Pernetti and other Rutgers officials in December, Rice is seen hurling a ball from point-blank range just passed Biruta's head, shoving him and repeatedly swearing at him. At another point, Rice hurls a ball that strikes Biruta's knee. He appears momentarily hurt and has to sit out a play.
"The one thing I hated," Murdock said of Rice, "he would always talk about 'Lithuanian this, Lithuanian that,' talk about where he's from, 'soft-ass Lithuanian b-tch,' 'soft-ass Lithuanian p-ssy.' His nickname was basically 'Lithuanian f-ggot.'"
I have no problem with a coach cursing or using homo-slurs against his players. I understand the "tough love" style but Rice seems like a White-hating, wigger, maniac extraordinaire. Why focus on the guy being Lithuanian? Did he refer to his other players as "black ******" or "African pussy"? I'm quite sure he did not. I'm sure he thought he could get away with abusing a White player like this and knew the "boundaries" of his verbal abuse to his players.
As Don said, this guy is an a-hole. F him and I stand behind Rutger's decision to fire him.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/story/_...h-mike-rice-berated-pushed-used-slurs-players
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He seems to target the white players specifically in the video. I doubt Rutgers has many white players yet at least half of the incidents in the video are against the white player.
Freethinker
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Yes, many of them were against Gilvydas Biruta, their only White player of note the year the video is from. My earlier post highlights this. Biruta transferred to Rhode Island after the 11-12 season.
I think you guys are all enablers of the pussyfication of society by backing the pussies that got this guy fired for calling players "******". All coaches do what he did in those isolated cherry picked clips, and to insinuate otherwise is to not be aware of what goes on or to conveniently forget what it's like. Regardless of his racial favoritism, which is another issue completely and not germane to this subject (especially because it did not enter into the decision to fire him or not).
This is just another situation that will have a chilling effect on coaching methods. It will only ramp up the agenda to castrate the kind of tough coaching that has always been effective in building tough teams and tough players. I bet every coach you guys idolize, like Bobby Knight, Woody Hayes, Vince Lombardi, Adoph Rupp, acted like this coach did (in isolated incidents) and thus would have to have been fired just like this guy.
The quotes from the Lithuanian player drip with culturally marxist BS, he used "mean words" --oh how horrible!! He threw a ball that just missed him-oh how terrifying!! He called him a ******-so what, it's just a generic insult that does not rise to the value of super insult that the faggo-philiacs would want everyone to believe.
Congratulations, you are on the same side with the same complaints as the cultural marxist caste media.
This is just another situation that will have a chilling effect on coaching methods. It will only ramp up the agenda to castrate the kind of tough coaching that has always been effective in building tough teams and tough players. I bet every coach you guys idolize, like Bobby Knight, Woody Hayes, Vince Lombardi, Adoph Rupp, acted like this coach did (in isolated incidents) and thus would have to have been fired just like this guy.
The quotes from the Lithuanian player drip with culturally marxist BS, he used "mean words" --oh how horrible!! He threw a ball that just missed him-oh how terrifying!! He called him a ******-so what, it's just a generic insult that does not rise to the value of super insult that the faggo-philiacs would want everyone to believe.
Congratulations, you are on the same side with the same complaints as the cultural marxist caste media.
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I disagree, this guy is a lunatic. I'm all for tough love, discipline, and hard-nosed coaching, but from the available video evidence, his actions do not fall into any of those categories. I've played sports throughout HS, had many different coaches, good and bad, but nothing like this. If I (or I had a son who) was playing for him, I'd beat his ass if he kept throwing balls at me and constantly pushing me around, and then quit the team. The verbal stuff doesn't bother me, I'm very thick skinned and almost impossible to offend. Once you start putting your hands on me in an aggressive manner, over and over, then I'm not going to take that crap.
If there any pussies on those videos, it's the players, IMO. Not one of them appears to have stood up for themselves.
Thrashen
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Freethinker said:
Nice find on Rice’s anti-Lithuanian nicknames, Freethinker. It doesn’t seem like Rice favored his black players, but as you said, he knew the limits of his verbal insults. In the cherry-picked footage contained it the “abuse compilation” video, he “attacks” a white player 7 times and a black player 6 times.
Jaxvid said:
I know what you mean. I do appreciate that Rice had enough guts to so haphazardly shriek America’s newfangled “F word,” and the NewzJewz unanimously agreeing that Rice’s behavior went “way too far” and “crossed the line” makes me want to involuntarily disagree with their hive-like, Marxist-contrived judgment (because it always reeks of anti-white, anti-male, anti-heterosexual depravity). I was watching “NFL Live” today and Trey Wingo, Chris Carter, and Teddy Bruschi were nearly weeping whilst discussing this topic. They all thought it was a terrible injustice and agreed that the only reason these players didn’t speak up is because “they didn’t want to lose their scholarships.” Of course, they omitted a pertinent detail…the fact that the video was supposedly compiled over the course of three seasons of practice session footage.
When my college coaches treated me this way (they were much worse than Rice, and unlike the Rutgers players, I was only on a partial athletic scholarship), I certainly didn’t enjoy it…but it was an effective method to get young guys to respect their authority and promote focus during practices.
To be honest with you I played for a good high school wrestling team in Central Bucks West and a good college wrestling team in Kutztown, and my coaches were great and never had to resort to that. I find from my own experiences that guy like this usually are coaches on bad teams. While the conditioning could be grueling at times, the coaches always tried to motivate us not intimidate us.
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The name calling and gay slurs are borderline but the ball throwing at players that might not be looking is borderline criminal behaviour. If a player turned suddenly the could get knocked out or loose teeth or have a broken nose. If he threw that ball at me he would have been eating the floor and I played basketball at 165.
Name calling and gay slurs are borderline? Borderline what? Hate speech? Thought crime? Isn't yelling at players and trying to motivate them by calling them objectionable things part of coaching sports? Guess not. I'm sure addressing all players politely and in a calm manner is the only legal way to speak to athletes.
Throwing balls? I have never played for a coach who didn't toss the ball at a guy once in a while to make a point. I think the idea is that kids that play a sport that involves a ball should be able to catch or dodge one thrown at them. Kinda the point. I guess you object to dodgeball too, you can put an eye out with a dodge ball you know.
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No borderline behaviour that is crossing the line. If it was just that I could put up with it if I was his player. When was the last time you tasted a basketball in the mouth whipped at you when you weren't looking? It's painful and potentially dangerous. Also this is Rutgers a doormat of college basketball that never makes the tournament(I looked it up and they made a Final Four in 76', but then so did Penn around then). Where is the pressure to win and have a deep tournament run?
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In today's climate I would think calling them ******* alone would be a capital offence.
Whipping a pass to a guy to make a point is one thing, but throwing the ball at his head when he isnt looking? Any coach did that to me his head would be finding out just how hard that hardwood is.
And just look at the guy. He looks like a type-A a$$hole. But then again, most of those primped up big time basketball coaches do. Probably helps them win games. Most just don't overdo it as this maniac did.
Stray thought: Has baseball ever had a violent coaching style scandal? I can't think of any.
Whipping a pass to a guy to make a point is one thing, but throwing the ball at his head when he isnt looking? Any coach did that to me his head would be finding out just how hard that hardwood is.
And just look at the guy. He looks like a type-A a$$hole. But then again, most of those primped up big time basketball coaches do. Probably helps them win games. Most just don't overdo it as this maniac did.
Stray thought: Has baseball ever had a violent coaching style scandal? I can't think of any.
FootballDad
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My reaction to the story was the same as many of our posters in that I looked at it in suspicion because of the sources and the MSM making a big deal out of it. In my opinion, Rice is just an over-the-top a-hole. I've had some hard-ass coaches, heck, I've been a hard-ass coach, but I would never resort to childish fits of shoving and throwing like him.
That said, I honestly think that the throwing and shoving would be handled with an admonishment (and it was, apparently), but the utterance of cult-Marx verbotim terms is ultimately what got him canned. All of the stuff that we find excessive is simply window dressing.
That said, I honestly think that the throwing and shoving would be handled with an admonishment (and it was, apparently), but the utterance of cult-Marx verbotim terms is ultimately what got him canned. All of the stuff that we find excessive is simply window dressing.
Phall
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The *** brigade is out in full force. It's not enough that the coach was fired - more heads need to roll over this grand Shoah.
I'm inclined to agree with jaxvid that if a tough coach is hurting your precious feelings, you are free to take your ball, go home, and start writing tuition checks.
Note the critical distinction between the ball-throwing and the name-calling. The objections from the normal crowd are a reaction to the "hands-on" coaching style. The outrage from the ivory tower is solely over the words "******" and "p-ssy". In their eyes, Rice could have beaten his players with canes just so long as he didn't discourage sexual diversity on his roster.
The press makes sure to keep both the ball-throwing and the name-calling paired together at all times, reminding us that while beating helpless young children is wrong, calling someone bad words is just as damaging. It's a way to condition the same visceral response from "slurs" as actual violence. Rutgers has a bit of a precedent with this, as that dorky Indian kid Dharun Ravi practically pulled the trigger himself for raising an eyebrow at his homo roommate's anonymous sexual trysts in their shared dorm room. Next, some mentally-unstable disease vector from Lithuania will end his life of unprotected orgies and intravenous drug use, and Mike Rice will be on trial for murder.
I'm inclined to agree with jaxvid that if a tough coach is hurting your precious feelings, you are free to take your ball, go home, and start writing tuition checks.
Note the critical distinction between the ball-throwing and the name-calling. The objections from the normal crowd are a reaction to the "hands-on" coaching style. The outrage from the ivory tower is solely over the words "******" and "p-ssy". In their eyes, Rice could have beaten his players with canes just so long as he didn't discourage sexual diversity on his roster.
The press makes sure to keep both the ball-throwing and the name-calling paired together at all times, reminding us that while beating helpless young children is wrong, calling someone bad words is just as damaging. It's a way to condition the same visceral response from "slurs" as actual violence. Rutgers has a bit of a precedent with this, as that dorky Indian kid Dharun Ravi practically pulled the trigger himself for raising an eyebrow at his homo roommate's anonymous sexual trysts in their shared dorm room. Next, some mentally-unstable disease vector from Lithuania will end his life of unprotected orgies and intravenous drug use, and Mike Rice will be on trial for murder.
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Yes Billy Martin he called a known homosexual player a ****** in front of the whole team and he attacked Ed Whitson in a bar brawl Whitson was rumoured to have bitten Martin in the bar fight. So that's the daily double, there.
DixieDestroyer
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I'm not 'offended' by his antics, but Rice seem like a wanna-be, 'poor man's' Bobby Knight...without the coaching skill or accomplishments. While some of these thugs need hard@$$, D.I. type discipline, Rice seems like a raving d0uchebag. There's ways to be hardnose and motivate without kicking & shoving players. For starters, run them into the ground....brutal, old school conditioning/PT (...gassers, 'suicides', stadium runs, squat thrusts, etc.). Crack down on their execution, discipline and academics. Make conditioning the 'go to' punishment, and for those who won't give 100%/measure up...suspend them or boot 'em off the team & pull their scholarships.
whiteathlete33
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I am surprised none of da bruthas pulled a Latrell Sprewell on Rice.
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lol, this just got a lot funnier. Eric Murdoch was just butthurt that the school chose not to continue his employment so he tried to extort them for 12 years worth of salary. Now we know why he knew about these abuses for 2 years but did nothing.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...rs-eric-murdock-settlement-mike-rice/2055901/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...rs-eric-murdock-settlement-mike-rice/2055901/
Butthurt? You mean extorsion. Rutgers didn't pay and so they released the video and probably marketed it. You all may agree that the coach should have been fired, but the AD too? How about the University President or the govenor of New Jersey?