Marciano-Louis 1951 on ESPN Classic

[White_Savage]

You know what I REALLY believe? You possess psychic powers?

Nothing I have said is untrue.

It is true that whites cut somewhat easier than blacks on average, that victory or defeat in many matches has hung on whether or not the ref decides to stop it on this basis, and that one advantage whites have in NHB, particularly in the early days, is the somewhat greater willingness to let a bleeding fighter go on. Nothing ridiculous here.

It is also true that great powers had a vested interest in the outcome of the Louis-Schmelling fight, and I speculated on one possibility. I did not entitle the thread "The fight was riggedROOF", now did I? You in turn have never given me proof of your near-religious faith that this is the one fight in history that absolutely, positively, was not rigged.

Ashworth vrs. Ward? It's a stain on the name of boxing some of what passes for matchups these days, nothing but stubborness can make you refuse to admit it. And it IS embarassing to whites to see the rare white man who will comport himself as such a bum shown on telivision over and over again. It's a system of image inudation. Lenin said the moving picture is the greatest tool ever devised for shaping the mind of man, and it's a tool that's used copiously. I don't expect you to be honest and admit the anti-white thrust of the media of course, since their slant is to your distinct benefit.

So really all your objections are meaningless uses of verbosity, based on twisting my words out of context.

 

[bigman]

to answer your question I suspect that there is a subtle bias in the media against white athletes.. but certainly part of the fault lies in middle class white culture itself. That culture is not as motivated to succeed as it was 40 years ago.. there is a complacency that has existed since the end of WW2 and it has been a slow slide downward.. sports is not what it used to be in american culture and blacks still take ita bit moreseriously. ..

 

[White_Savage]

Subtle it ain't. What's the real difference between a movie titled "White Men Can't Jump" and "Black Men can't Think", except that one is "funny" and the other would be the Most Monstrous Sentence Ever Uttered. (tm) The list for this sort of thing goes on and on.

It ain't accidental either.

And it works at least 80% of average whites believe they are physically inferior to ********.

Fortunately, theres starting to be some inklings of a backlash. And the best tools for battering down the wall of lies are right in our hands, the racial makeup of the realistic fighting competitions and increasingly boxing.

You've a point about White upward mobility vrs. sports success. Especially boxing. Even though whites are historically first and foremost the world's fiercest fighting men, from a strictly logical standpoint it's hard to decry the economic success that makes most whites want to make a living that doesn't involve being punched in the head. Of course the blacks are slowly growing softer as well. A new racial awareness that motivates whites to compete more for honor than economics could be just the key to the rennaisance I speak of.

 

[white lightning]

Great post White_Savage.I think that the Europeans coming
over here in basketball,boxing and other sports are
helping to lead the way.They are showing that we can
compete and be champions.Too many white american kids
had no one to look up to for decades.Now they have some
white athletes/role models to look up to & emulate.This
is very exciting.They also see how hard these guys work
and practice.Even though there are white kids that are
wiggers,there are alot that are proud of who they are and
will not be want to be's.These kids need sports figures
that look like Dad to help to get them off that couch.As
you said,we are starting to see a rebellion.I believe it
will grow in the coming years.I can't wait!!

 

[Guest]

You know what I REALLY believe? You possess psychic powers?

Nothing I have said is untrue.

It is true that whites cut somewhat easier than blacks on average, that victory or defeat in many matches has hung on whether or not the ref decides to stop it on this basis, and that one advantage whites have in NHB, particularly in the early days, is the somewhat greater willingness to let a bleeding fighter go on. Nothing ridiculous here.

It is also true that great powers had a vested interest in the outcome of the Louis-Schmelling fight, and I speculated on one possibility. I did not entitle the thread "The fight was riggedROOF", now did I? You in turn have never given me proof of your near-religious faith that this is the one fight in history that absolutely, positively, was not rigged.

Ashworth vrs. Ward? It's a stain on the name of boxing some of what passes for matchups these days, nothing but stubborness can make you refuse to admit it. And it IS embarassing to whites to see the rare white man who will comport himself as such a bum shown on telivision over and over again. It's a system of image inudation. Lenin said the moving picture is the greatest tool ever devised for shaping the mind of man, and it's a tool that's used copiously. I don't expect you to be honest and admit the anti-white thrust of the media of course, since their slant is to your distinct benefit.

So really all your objections are meaningless uses of verbosity, based on twisting my words out of context.

Boxing rules that that if a cut is deemed dangerous then a ref has the right to stop the fight. And rightly so cuts that obscure vision are Dangerous.


You have never shown any proof about Joe vs Max except your own whacko theories. There is more evidence that the fight was not rigged then there is otherwise but you will never believe it.


Ashworth vs Ward was simply a bum vs an upcoming prospect nothing more nothing less the difference is that this fight wason tvfor exposure of Ward not to humiliate some bum for your crackpot conspiracy theories.Edited by: fistfighter

 

[bigman]

Louis beat Schmelling just as convincingly as Schmelling beat Louis... questioning the outcome of either of these fights more or less than any other fights is odd.

 

[White_Savage]

bigman:
Frankly I mostly brought it up to give numbnuts there an appoplexy. Since he is NEVER going to catch on apparently, might as well let the cat out of the bag.

It's all based on something Tony Galento said, he accused Joe Louis of putting a piece of iron or something in his glove before the fight. But you know Galento, he said alot of things. The REAL conspiracy lies in the fact that Joe Louis tends to be remembered as a great boxer and a great human being, while the man who once proved more than his match in the ring and if anything a greater human being in life is not. But hell, even Joe Louis is unfairly low-rated if remembered at all in comparison to the over-rated black boxers who came after his time.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Good posts guys; I know I would rank Louis above Clay, and several others after his time, if for no other reason than he held the title for so long.

 

[Guest]

bigman:
Frankly I mostly brought it up to give numbnuts there an appoplexy. Since he is NEVER going to catch on apparently, might as well let the cat out of the bag.

It's all based on something Tony Galento said, he accused Joe Louis of putting a piece of iron or something in his glove before the fight. But you know Galento, he said alot of things. The REAL conspiracy lies in the fact that Joe Louis tends to be remembered as a great boxer and a great human being, while the man who once proved more than his match in the ring and if anything a greater human being in life is not. But hell, even Joe Louis is unfairly low-rated if remembered at all in comparison to the over-rated black boxers who came after his time.

What Galento said does'nt mean sh*t he said alot of stupid things . So after 60 years we only have the word of anotorious liar mafia legbreaker Tony Galento ?

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And Schmelling is for the most part remembered as a Good human being and a Good fighter. Louis however proved he was the better fighter when they met again in the ring. And Louis in not unfairly low rated he is usually hovering around 1 or 2 all time.


And even though you never outright said that the fight was fixed you implied it hoping that other dumbasses would start believing it .

 

[White_Savage]

Really? I see young skulls full of mush rating Ali and even sorry old Tyson ahead of Louis alot. #2 is very debatable in a world that has Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, and Jim Jeffries in it, but he was the greatest black boxer IMO, upon that we can agree.

 

[sport historian]

This thread has certainly gone in a direction I didn't intend. I just thought members would be interested in seeing the 1951 Marciano-Louis bout. I will make a comment on the Louis-Schmeling fights.


The late sports editor of the Nashville Banner, Fred Russell, followed sports from the 1920s to the 1990s. He once wrote that the first bout between Louis and Schmeling was the biggest shock in sports that he ever experienced. In June 1936, Schmeling was over 30 and hadn't looked impressive recently. Baer hadkayoed him in 1933. Then, Joe Louis had stopped Baer in 4 rounds in September 1935, in as one-sided a fight as there has ever been between two big-name heavyweights. You should see the film of that one.


Schmeling beating Louis was a monumental upset, for which Max deserves credit. In 1938, Louis was well-trained and had seen his mistakes in the 1936 fight. His one-round KO of Scmeling was not a surprise at the time.


There WERE some fixed fights in the 1930s, especiallypertaining to Primo Carnera. He was controlled by the mob. His opponents had to go down or else, and his 1933 title win over Jack Sharkey has always been a matter of suspicion. You can see that one on ESPN Classic on Friday July 22 at 10:30 pm ET.

 

[bigman]

Schmeling was a great fighter... getting beat by Louis in 1938 was not a shame .. heck Schmeling was really a LHW... hemoved up asanyone would tomake the money... Louis was just a much bigger fellow and was very well trained. ...


I watch the Sharkey Carnera fight and Sharkey looked great... Carnera was just a huge fellow and not nearly as awkeward as folks have made him out to be...

 

[Poacher]

Louis was a 3-1 favorite before the fight with Rocky.