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[Gary]

Michael Spinks was a BUM

If your going for a best black LHW go with Bob Foster or Archie Moore of course these two clowns couldn't beat Billy Conn,Tommy Loughran or Gene Tunney-but Spinks couldn't even beat Mike Rossman. Who did Spinks ever beat? A Cooney who had become a dope addict and a washed up Holmes, Spinks couldn't make it past 1 round with Tyson!! You say SRR was the best but that's your opinion only which means nothing because your an anti-white bigot. Robinson lost to many fights to be the best. Fitzsimmons beat Corbett and gave Jeffries a good fight.SRR lost to Joey Maxim!! Tunney would have no problem with a weakling like Spinks and Leon was a bigger BUM then Michael!!

 

[bigman]

I would rate bob fitzsimmons as probably the greatest p4p fighter of all time.. total domination all the way up to the HW div. at under 170.. just amazing... he had all the offense of a Thomas Hearns coupled with a great chin... ... no wonder Nat Fleicher ranked him so high.

 

[White_Savage]

Hmmmm...
Interesting you bring up Fitzsimmons, you may have a point there.

Spent his youth doing blacksmith work. Yet in the many photographs of hims he has the sort of physique that many would dismiss as skinny and weak because he fails to display cartoonish bulges, revealing the folly of judging athletcism on subjective aesthetic observations.

 

[Guest]

Michael Spinks was a BUM

If your going for a best black LHW go with Bob Foster or Archie Moore of course these two clowns couldn't beat Billy Conn,Tommy Loughran or Gene Tunney-but Spinks couldn't even beat Mike Rossman. Who did Spinks ever beat? A Cooney who had become a dope addict and a washed up Holmes, Spinks couldn't make it past 1 round with Tyson!! You say SRR was the best but that's your opinion only which means nothing because your an anti-white bigot. Robinson lost to many fights to be the best. Fitzsimmons beat Corbett and gave Jeffries a good fight.SRR lost to Joey Maxim!! Tunney would have no problem with a weakling like Spinks and Leon was a bigger BUM then Michael!!

Did Spinks or did Spinks not DOMINATE the best LWH era ever and note that Spinks was undefeated at LHW unlike some other lesser champions.Tunney was'nt even the world champion at LHW. Tunney would have made past 1 round with Tyson either and Spinks better a better fighter in Holmes then Tunney did in Dempsey.

 

[bigman]

Dempsey when he fought Tunney was not the Dempsey that tore throughevery whitehope and JessWillard too...... That Dempsey was quick as a cat, elusive and could hit like few could.


Id agreee that Spinks was a great LHW for sure and a P4P great.... Tunney was clearly a great P4P fighter as well.. no need to disparge these lions of the past.

 

[Guest]

Dempsey when he fought Tunney was not the Dempsey that tore throughevery whitehope and JessWillard too...... That Dempsey was quick as a cat, elusive and could hit like few could.


Id agreee that Spinks was a great LHW for sure and a P4P great.... Tunney was clearly a great P4P fighter as well.. no need to disparge these lions of the past.

True Tunney was great but i disagree that he did enough at HW to be a top 10 guy Neither did Spinks for that matter . At LHW Tunney was top 3 but Spinks deserves top 1 because he practically cleaned out the LHW division . Tunney and Spinks did exactly the same thing at HW beat a former past his prime champion twice and make 1 or2 defenses.


Stylistically Tunney would always have been difficult for Dempsey good outside boxers where Dempseys achilles heel.

 

[bigman]

agreed .. I would not put Tunney as a great HW.... though as P4P boxers go he has got to be considered a great, below Fitzsimmons for sure but a great nontheless.

 

[Kaptain]

There is no way the 70's and 80's could be considered the greatest boxing era for any division. As standards of living increased white american participation in the sport practically disappeared. At the same time the Soviet Union was still intact and as a result many of the world's most dominate boxers never turned pro. That's how bum's like the Spinks were able to be champions. The 70's may have been the television heyday for boxing but nothing else. Hence, we have greatly overrated boxers - like Ali touted as the greatest. Gimme a break. After the fall of the Soviet Union, it didn't take long for the Russians to dominate boxing did it?

 

[Gary]

I could be wrong but I think fistfarter and bigman are the same guy! Who did Spinks beat and that era was very weak at LWH. Now go talk to yourself some more.

 

[Guest]

There is no way the 70's and 80's could be considered the greatest boxing era for any division. As standards of living increased white american participation in the sport practically disappeared. At the same time the Soviet Union was still intact and as a result many of the world's most dominate boxers never turned pro. That's how bum's like the Spinks were able to be champions. The 70's may have been the television heyday for boxing but nothing else. Hence, we have greatly overrated boxers - like Ali touted as the greatest. Gimme a break. After the fall of the Soviet Union, it didn't take long for the Russians to dominate boxing did it?

Russians dont dominate boxing now so whats your point Vitali is the only titlejholder at the moment at HW and he has a loss to another titleholder and P4P the best fighters are still mostly black or latino.

 

[Gary]

Russians dominated the World Cup of Boxing!! Only losers mention P4P because they can't trade blows with the big boys. Most latin fighters are the same size as a 6th grade American school girl and blacks did nothing but LOSE at the World Cup of Boxing. Vitali beat Danny Williams so bad I thought they would jail for a hate crime! Negro's duck Russians all they can,it's like asking Lou Rawls to fight Wlad!!

 

[Kaptain]

P4P??? Why don't we talk about midget boxing too?


There is an article on the home page about another Russian winning a title. If boxing were an honest sport all four heavyweight titles would be held by whites - three of them Russian. As it is the only real heavyweight champion is Vitali.

 

[bigman]

bigman is bigman and no one else... goodness sheww the conspiracy gobblins out of your head.... ok... I do think that the following were great LHWs.. MSpinks, MatSaudMahamad and Dwight Braxton... all great LHWs from the 80s....



P4P is a great measure across weight classes... otherwise there would only be the HW division..... here are3 of thegreat P4Pers


FItzsimmons


Marciano (also the p4p hardest hitter of all time)


Frazier





yes it is true that whites fled the cities and the boxing ranks..in the 60s...depleting these sports of alot of talent... but thatdoes not mean that the guysthat did fight were not that good... remember fighting isabout much more than talent.. it is more about heart, desire and good training....

 

[Gary]

I am not Sherlock Holmes but I think bigman is pugnus. I am thinking about going on a black site as Uncle Ben and try to sale rice!!

 

[Guest]

P4P??? Why don't we talk about midget boxing too?


There is an article on the home page about another Russian winning a title. If boxing were an honest sport all four heavyweight titles would be held by whites - three of them Russian. As it is the only real heavyweight champion is Vitali.

You do know that there are other divisions then HW ?. I forgot your just a casual fan who does'nt really follow boxing.


Vitali is a titleholder nothing more . Nobody is the real champ till the belts are unified.

 

[bigman]

who is pugnus..?... nevermind I dont care Gary , ... I am bigman!.. please get over it... my thoughts on these matters are not extraordinary.

 

[White_Savage]

yes it is true that whites fled the cities and the boxing ranks..in the 60s... depleting these sports of alot of talent ... but that does not mean that the guys that did fight were not that good... remember fighting is about much more than talent.. it is more about heart, desire and good training....

You do understand that the racial makeup of boxing, which is largely societal, caused, as you mention, essentially by white upward mobility throughout the 20th century, is used both by individual ******* supremacists like pugnuts/faux-fighter (who I do not think is you btw) and the mass media to promote their anti-white bias, don't you? It doesn't work on those of us who remember the greats from when whites actually did live hard lives and participate in boxing in anything other than token numbers of course, but others have shorter memories.

There is probably no worse things you can do to the healthy young males of a given people then convince them they are generally inferior in athletics/combat and other physical arenas. It is probably worse for the morale of a people than even propagnadizing them as stupid would be. This is why the seeming trivialities of sport, the dismissal of anti-white myths, and the Rennaisance of the white athlete, especially in the combat sports, are actually important to white racial survival and the preservation of Western culture.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Vitali is a titleholder nothing more . Nobody is the real champ till the belts are unified.


Which Vitali will do if the other "titleholders" are man enough to face him. Even if they aren't I think they'll be forced to fight him.

 

[Gary]

Who is Gary? Man don't you know I'am Booker T. Washington!!

 

[Kaptain]

Fits, nobody is the real champ until the belts are unified? So in all of the divisions of boxing, how many boxers are real champs?2?,1?, 0??? Don King will never let Vitali unify the belts - but who cares? I don't. There is only one real champ in my book.


BTW fits, me referring to myself as a casual fan is much different than you referring to yourself as an expert. My standards for being a boxing expert are much higher than your standards. I wouldn't even call you a casual fan of boxing as you have been factual wrong time and time again and have only contributed your hatered toward white fighters to this site.

 

[Guest]

Fits, nobody is the real champ until the belts are unified? So in all of the divisions of boxing, how many boxers are real champs?2?,1?, 0??? Don King will never let Vitali unify the belts - but who cares? I don't. There is only one real champ in my book.


BTW fits, me referring to myself as a casual fan is much different than you referring to yourself as an expert. My standards for being a boxing expert are much higher than your standards. I wouldn't even call you a casual fan of boxing as you have been factual wrong time and time again and have only contributed your hatered toward white fighters to this site.

Yes there are only 2 or 3 guys who can cliam that they are the unified champion of their division. In other division one of the alphabethchamps stands above the otherIf he clearly proves it in the ring and fight on a regular basis.


And Vitali does not clearly stand above the other titleholders since he does has a loss to one of them.
And no i dont consider myself an expert i do consider myself someoen who is a fan of the sport instead of a fan of of a race like some people.

 

[Guest]

yes it is true that whites fled the cities and the boxing ranks..in the 60s... depleting these sports of alot of talent ... but that does not mean that the guys that did fight were not that good... remember fighting is about much more than talent.. it is more about heart, desire and good training....

You do understand that the racial makeup of boxing, which is largely societal, caused, as you mention, essentially by white upward mobility throughout the 20th century, is used both by individual ******* supremacists like pugnuts/faux-fighter (who I do not think is you btw) and the mass media to promote their anti-white bias, don't you? It doesn't work on those of us who remember the greats from when whites actually did live hard lives and participate in boxing in anything other than token numbers of course, but others have shorter memories.

There is probably no worse things you can do to the healthy young males of a given people then convince them they are generally inferior in athletics/combat and other physical arenas. It is probably worse for the morale of a people than even propagnadizing them as stupid would be. This is why the seeming trivialities of sport, the dismissal of anti-white myths, and the Rennaisance of the white athlete, especially in the combat sports, are actually important to white racial survival and the preservation of Western culture.

This from a man who believes that white fighters only lose to black boxers because of cuts ?. Who smells a conspiracy theory behind every black victory ? any luck finding evindence on Max vs Joe 2 ?.

 

[White_Savage]

faux-fighter:
Lacking solid reasoning ability, you do display a certain crude verbal agility and ability to twist words while ignoring their real meaning common to ********.

While whites who were beating down ******** have often been stopped because their cuts were deemed too bad, and whites generally do better in NHB partly because they are much more reluctant to stop on cuts, and while boxing is a dirty game and many fights have been suspicious, I have NEVER made those two statements you mention (That ALL whites lose to blacks because of cuts, that ALL fights in question are rigged, etc.) Therefore, you are a liar.

And your claimed "non-racialness" is absurd in the face of the fact that you frequent a a forum devoted to white athletes, specifically to annoy and incite, and always attempt to "prove" that '****** are the best at every activity known to man. Once again, a fine example of the ******* talent for bullsh*t Edited by: White_Savage

 

[Kaptain]

Fits,


Your denial of Vitali as the class of the HW division exposes you as a simple minded white hater. Bringing up his two loses repeatedly is a joke when he clearly was easily winning both fights but was forced to quit because of a cut and a bad shoulder - which was operated on after the fight. You give the same arguements all the time and there all BS. Answer this - Who is the class of the HW division?????


Answer it - Dummy!!!!Edited by: Kaptain Poop

 

[Guest]

faux-fighter:
Lacking solid reasoning ability, you do display a certain crude verbal agility and ability to twist words while ignoring their real meaning common to ********.

While whites who were beating down ******** have often been stopped because their cuts were deemed too bad, and whites generally do better in NHB partly because they are much more reluctant to stop on cuts, and while boxing is a dirty game and many fights have been suspicious, I have NEVER made those two statements you mention (That ALL whites lose to blacks because of cuts, that ALL fights in question are rigged, etc.) Therefore, you are a liar.

And your claimed "non-racialness" is absurd in the face of the fact that you frequent a a forum devoted to white athletes, specifically to annoy and incite, and always attempt to "prove" that '****** are the best at every activity known to man. Once again, a fine example of the ******* talent for bullsh*t

True you Never said it in those words but we all know that that is what you really believe and that you would go out of your way to prove that someone was keeping the white man down every time a white man loses a match. Hence your ridiculous thread on cuts and the Lous vs Schmelling ''fix'' and Ashworth vs Ward.