Isreal is bombing South Lebanon to f**k!

[screamingeagle]

There is a difference between the Isrealis and Hezbolla. Isreal keeps their military base away from their civilian population. Hezbolla knows that they are firing on civilians and they have chosen to target civilians.
Isreal targets the missile launchers. Since Hezbo places the launchers in the middle of civilian populations. Isreal hopes they do not kill too many non-combatants.
The problem is not the weapons but the cause. The Hezbos are fighting an unjust war for conquest called the Jihad. All Jihads are are unprovoked and unjust. I believe that the Hezbos started this war because the Sunnis of Hamas were getting more publicity. Hezbo had to show they were still fighting against the infidel.
Isreal is just fighting a defensive war for survival.
I note that all news media call the Lebanese "Civilians" but the Isrealis are all Isrealis. This implies that there are no civilians in Isreal. I am not sure if the media is aware of this bias. Even Fox news says this.
Robert Fisk is Arafat's whore. Fisk developed a career of getting exclusives from the mideast since 1975. His secret is to repeat whatever his Jihadists handlers tell him. The Jihadists do not want a few press, they want an obedient press. They have used violence on anyone who does not strictly follow their line. Fisk is alleged to be married to a Moslem woman. (He won't say) If true, that makes him a moslem. Only Moslems can marry Moslem women.
What's a neocon. I have never been given a good definition.

 

[White Shogun]

screamingeagle,
you have to broaden your search for news, my friend. Your post reads like a neo-con Israeli propaganda piece.

The Israeli's DO place their military units in or near civilian populations.

The ISRAELI'S took out the U.N. post and killed four U.N. peacekeepers, not the Hezbollah.

The Hezbollah did NOT capture (kidnap for the neo-cons) Israeli civilians, they took Israeli soldiers.

Take a look at this quote:

One pointer to a shift in the tactical balance is the comparative casualty counts. According to the Associated Press, as of this writing Lebanese dead total at least 642, of whom 558 are civilians, 29 Lebanese soldiers (who, at least officially, are not in the fight) and only 55 Hezbollah fighters. So Israel, with its American-style hi-tech "precision weaponry," has killed ten times as many innocents as enemies. In contrast, of 97 Israeli dead, 61 are soldiers and only 36 civilians, despite the fact that Hezbollah's rockets are anything but precise (think Congreves). Israel can hit anything it can target, but against a Fourth Generation enemy, it can target very little. The result not only points to a battlefield change of some significance, it also raises the question of who is the real "terrorist." Terror bombing by aircraft is still terror.

And this, from Reuters:

Israel pursues Lebanon assault
Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:27am ET168

By Tom Perry

BEIRUT (Reuters) - The Israeli army pushed deeper into Lebanon and air strikes killed up to 20 people on Saturday, despite a U.N. Security Council demand for a "full cessation of hostilities" in the month-old war with Hizbollah guerrillas...

Hizbollah fired at least 30 rockets into Israel and medics said three people were lightly wounded...

Israeli troops pushed west toward Ghandouriyeh, a village 11 km (7 miles) inside Lebanon, their furthest penetration yet, security sources said. Hizbollah said it had destroyed 16 tanks in the fighting and inflicted heavy Israeli casualties.

The Israeli army said more than 30 soldiers had been wounded. It said it had killed more than 40 Hizbollah fighters in the last 24 hours and destroyed several rocket launchers.

Air strikes in the south killed up to 15 people in the village of Rshaf and four civilians in Kharayeb, security sources said. Raids in the Bekaa Valley killed one civilian...

Israeli bombs also hit Beirut's suburbs, roads in the north, electricity pylons near Sidon, the Beirut-Damascus highway and the southern city of Tyre, witnesses and security sources said...

At least 1,061 people in Lebanon and 124 Israelis have been killed in the war that began after Hizbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on July 12...(DISPUTED: Hezbollah says they captured these soldiers on the Lebanese side of the border)..

Civilians on both sides are the main casualties...

All jihads are unprovoked and unjust?

Was the jihad against the Soviets by the mujahideen unjust? I hope not, because the U.S. heavily bankrolled the mujahideen and supplied them with munitions.

Is the jihad of the Palestinians against the occupying forces of Israel unjust? The British decide to carve up their country and give it to another people, and they are supposed to shut up, sit down, and accept it? Do you have any idea of the number of Palestinians killed vs the number of Israelis killed in that conflict?

I am left here defending Hezbolla and the PLO, when in reality I don't support either of them. But I'm not a supported of Israel, either, and can readily admit that the Israelis are as horrible in their mistreatment of civilians as much as the 'terrorists.'

Don't forget, there were Israelis apprehended on 9/11 who were cheering the attacks on the WTC, too. They've spied on the U.S., attacked one of our ships, and are sucking $3,000,000,000 billion out of the treasury, not to mention the influence AIPAC has on Congress.

If you are content to think Israel is our ally, be my guest. Our alliance with Israel is not symbiotic, it is parasitic.

Guess which of the two is the parasite?


Edited by: White Shogun

 

[Bart]

screamingeagle,
you have to broaden your search for news, my friend. Your post reads like a neo-con Israeli propaganda piece.

It is impossibleto discern what motivates posters. Some are sincere, others like to argue for the fun of it and yet there is a segment who are disingenuous to put it mildly. In the immortal words of Inspector Clouseau whoreplied to a question concerningprobable culprits, " I suspect no one, yet I suspect everyone." Ha ha.


This news item reveals a network which in actuality has been using these methods long before the dateline.


[url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-2289232-3, 00.html[/url]


WHILE Israel fights Hezbollah with tanks and aircraft, its supporters are campaigning on the internet.


Israel's Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists can place supportive messages.


In the past week nearly 5,000 members of the World Union of Jewish Students (WUJS) have downloaded special "megaphone" software that alerts them to anti-Israeli chatrooms or internet polls to enable them to post contrary viewpoints. A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate.


Jonny Cline, of the international student group, said that Jewish students and youth groups with their understanding of the web environment were ideally placed to present another side to the debate.


"We're saying to these people that if Israel is being bashed, don't ignore it, change it," Mr Cline said. "A poll like CNN's takes just a few seconds to vote in, but if thousands take part the outcome will be changed. What's vital is that the international face of the conflict is balanced."


Doron Barkat, 29, in Jerusalem, spends long nights trawling the web to try to swing the debate Israel's way. "When I see internet polls for or against Israel I send out a mailing list to vote for Israel," he said. "It can be that after 15 minutes there will be 400 votes for Israel.

 

[White Shogun]

Very interesting and informative post, Bart.

 

[Triad]

Very interesting and informative post, Bart.

I agree. You can say that about your previous post as well. Nice job.

 

[Kaptain]

Screamingeagle, when people start making arguements that is just basically a repeat of soundbits from Fox News, before discussing any issues with them I ask them if they know the following:

The King of David Hotel bombing
The Lavon Affair
The USS Liberty attack
Who Jonathan Pollard is
The Rosenbergs
Israeli art students
9/11 Israeli moving van
The Irgun

Just to name a few. Do you know the background to all of these stories? Most people who hold your opinion do not have a clue. Do you?
Edited by: Kaptain Poop

 

[Jofreidr_1488]

After this fornication of a Soverign Nation Israel has lost the moral high ground (if they ever had it to begin with) and also the Right to Exist IMO. Don't forget the 'Israel Lobbies' role in helping to arm these war criminals either.

 

[screamingeagle]

Am I the only one who remembers that the Hezbos murdered 250 American Marines in their sleep. Many Americans long for the day that we will be allowed to run bayonets into the bellies of the Hezbos. Until then, we will watch the Isrealis kill them.

 

[White Shogun]

Am I the only one who remembers that the Hezbos murdered 250 American Marines in their sleep. Many Americans long for the day that we will be allowed to run bayonets into the bellies of the Hezbos. Until then, we will watch the Isrealis kill them.

Maybe if we hadn't had the idiotic policy of leaving the Marines on guard duty with empty weapons, they'd have had a means to defend themselves against that attack.

More importantly,maybe we shouldn't have been in Lebanon in the first place?

We keep going around invading other countries, we can't expect them not to fight back. Even if we're 'peace keepers.'

I don't know about you, but if a civil war broke out in the United States, I for damn sure don't want the Chinese army sent in to keep the peace. Edited by: White Shogun

 

[Charlie]

But gosh, what about the Druse? Do 'we Americans' want to run bayonets through their bellies also?

 

[white is right]

Did Hezbollah bomb the marines in Beirut? I thought it was a PLO faction? Maybe I am wrong as that was over 20 years ago? As for Isreal it's the only state formed by terrorism that won't negotiate with terrorists. If I was a major world leader or the president I would cut off the tap to Isreal. Negotiations with Palestinians would be begin within weeks.........

 

[Bart]

Fisk is alleged to be married to a Moslem woman. (He won't say) If true, that makes him a moslem.

So then, if Fisk is married to a Moslem woman I guess his impartiallity must be in question. How can he be unbiasedand objective when reporting or writing about the situation?That is what you are implying of course. An interesting observation, glad you brought it up.


Now, I willin turn ask of you.What about the credibility of the many reporters, journalists, commentators, radio hosts, media figuresand politicians who not only have Jewish spouses but are in factJews themselves, having family in Israel? Should we trustthem to be totally honest and objective?Arethey above scrutiny?Can we listento Wolf Blitzer who enjoys dual citizenship with Israel and America and not be suspicious of his veracity and allegiances when reporting on events in the middle-east? Do we trust him to be 100% fair? Yeah, sure.


You use the term Hezbo as does Rush Limbaugh. How impartial is he? His latest gal pal was Jewish as was hisex - wifeMarta.Shouldn'this sympathies and motivations also be in question?Or is it only Mr. Fisk who can be compromised?

 

[Don Wassall]

Fisk is a courageous, independent, unbiased reporter, which is why no "mainstream" media outlet in the U.S., all of which are pro-Zionist, will run his work.

 

[devans]

The israeli bombing is making a mess of the eastern Mediterranean Sea

Sea Pollution story

Unfortunately the slick is pretty stationary off the Lebanese cost and shows no sign of drifting south

 

[screamingeagle]

To Kaptain Poop:
I'm ready to take on your challenge. I will explain about the King David hotel and other matters. Except...Jesse Jackson is in the Mideast. You just know everlasting peace is just around the corner. When that happens, answering your questions will be irrelevant.
This will another one of the Jester's great accomplishments, just like .... I can't think of any.
I also trying to figure out what his accupation is. He is not a minister.
See you in a few days.

 

[white is right]

To Kaptain Poop:
I'm ready to take on your challenge. I will explain about the King David hotel and other matters. Except...Jesse Jackson is in the Mideast. You just know everlasting peace is just around the corner. When that happens, answering your questions will be irrelevant.
This will another one of the Jester's great accomplishments, just like .... I can't think of any.
I also trying to figure out what his accupation is. He is not a minister.
See you in a few days.

His occupation is to be a professional bs artist. Sometimes I wonder when foreign people of colour listen to Jackson I wonder if they listen to his overtures so that they can stick it to the presenditial aides that have already been dispatched to work for peace. We all know Jackson loves a good photo op as he always embraces the most hated villian in US at the time. Who can forget his embracing Arafat in the late 70's or his embracing of Castro in the 80's. I bet if Hoover were still alive the internet would have his loving embraces of his mistress floating around and photos of love child........

 

[screamingeagle]

I note that Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbullocks (as I like to called them) had a "victory" celebration.

If your troops were goosestepping through Jerusalem after killing all Jews, Christians, and Sunnis, I would agree with you.

You just fought an indecisive skirmish.

 

[White Shogun]

I note that Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbullocks (as I like to called them) had a "victory" celebration.

If your troops were goosestepping through Jerusalem after killing all Jews, Christians, and Sunnis, I would agree with you.

You just fought an indecisive skirmish.

Considering that Israel has the most powerful army in the region, I'd say fighting them to a standstill is a victory, whether the fight was won on the ground or through diplomacy. Anything less than a 'knockout' by Israel is a victory for the Hezbo's.

 

[devans]

About the time that the state of Israel was imposed in the Middle east in 1956, a Lebanese census calculated a total population of 1,411,416. Christians accounted for 54 percent and Muslims, 44 percent. This was disputed and teh actual figure is thought to be closer to 50/50. See Source
The Christian community has since dwindled to about 32% due to emigration, a lower birth rate, and moslem immigration, much of it from palestinians displaced from what is now Israel. The formation of Israel has been disasterous for the Lebanese, even before they started being indescriminately bombarded with high explosives.

 

[devans]

"Every night off Gaza beach you can see the lights of fishing boats rising and falling in the swell.
But they are defying an Israeli ban on all Palestinian fishing, and Rami al-Habeel knows how dangerous that can be.
Last week, he saw his friend, Hani al-Najaar, shot dead on the deck of their trawler."

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