How do you confront DWF's?

[Lance Alworth]

I don't really post much on football message boards (except for this one) Just too many DWF's that don't have a clue of what they are talking about. I was on a Miami Dolphins board and some DWF was talking about wanting to bring in some scrub like Deion Branch to replace Brian Hartline as the #2 receiver. This particular DWF also has a "Garbage List" in his sig consisting of:

Joe Berger
Chad Henne
Brian Hartline
Bobby Carpenter
Tim Dobbins
Patrick Cobbs
Yeremiah Bell
Sean Smith
Benny Sapp
Jason Allen
Phillip Merling
Richie Incognito
Anthony Fasano

Notice how many of these players in his "garbage list" are white. Not only that but none of these white players truly suck either. Chad Henne is a pretty good up and coming QB (already has several 300 yard games to his credit) and Richie Incognito is a damn good O-linesman. You should see how badly the DWF's on the Dolphins boards are lynching Henne after one game where he threw a couple of picks.

Anyway, I guess the point I am trying to make is that how do you deal with idiots with this kind of mindset? Do you try to talk sense into them or do you not even bother? I hate reading message boards (other than Caste Football of course) where I feel like my IQ goes down just by reading their moronic posts. Argggghhh, this makes me so mad! What do you do about it?

 

[Wolfman82]

Some people are so brainwashed that there is nothing that can be done for them. That clown seems like one of them. His garbage list shows that he has garbage brains!

 

[Lance Alworth]

I imagine that the Jets DWF's are much like Dolphins DWF's. I agree that it is probably an exercise in futility to try to reason with them. Plus, I hate trolling message boards. I don't like it when people troll Caste Football so I'm not about to stoop to their level. It just burns my a$$ that this level of stupidity is permitted. As I write this, I just noticed a thread on that very same message board that I'm a lurker of calling to bench Brian Hartline. What an absolute joke these DWF's are! The guy (Hartline) has a pedestrian first couple of games (mainly because of the vanilla playcalling by the OC) and these stupid fans are calling for him to be given his walking papers.

What have others experiences with DWF's been like?

 

[Toby Hillis]

Ive found a formula that works more than half the time: hit them with the Peyton Hillis article thats become famous oninternetmessage boards, then, hit them with the Furr is Murder(ed) article, both written by Jimmy Chitwood. You dont even have to say anything, just respond with those twolinks (sprinkle in a 3rd if you feel like it). After you get a few responses throw stats at them: why are half of the white WRs in the NFL D1 walk ons/ had to play lower division in college (theyre good enough for the NFL but not D1)? Why are the 26 white RBs (out of 50 states) that lead their respective states in rushing last year getting zero love from D1 @ the RB position? Why did Hillis, Woodhead, Welker et al (you can find literally a hundred recent cases) have to jump through hoops to get a look when others (Mike Hart, Khalil Bell, Garcon, etc) just need to be black?

I use real stats like 40 times, short shuttle, the fact that players like Toby re-wrote the record books in high school and got nothing but HATE, etc....It usually works to change some minds

I wish there were some way to focus everybody's energy into changing the Caste system, like signing a referendum or email campaigns to the NFL and D1....Football season has become very frustratingfor me!! I just think "there has to be a way to change this?!"...I feel your frustration!!!!

 

[C Darwin]

DWFs will fight to the death to prove that they are not racist.

and by racist i mean the willingness to fight for their own people.

 

[GiovaniMarcon]

I find that I don't really have much to say to self-hating White men. They're not very bright. They're not going to change their opinion no matter how logical and well-constructed your arguments are.

It's a lot like trying to argue with the "Black leadership". You're disgusted with them and choose not to discuss anything with them because you acknowledge that they're so single-minded, ignorant and intransigent that the whole effort would be like throwing away part of your life.

A lot of the time you find yourself shaking your head, thinking, "This must be an act on their part -- no one is this stupid..."

The buffoons see that you don't wish to debate them and they see it as a victory.

DWFs will shout you down and ban you from their messageboard or whatever (curiously, they will NEVER step up to you in a bar, to your face if you make a pro-White comment, whether DWFs or blacks unless they roll ten deep).

Accepting the existence of DWFs is a lot like accepting that much of the American (and world) population is scarcely above mentally retarded status.

A truly intelligent person is willing and able to debate.

WE here at Castefootball (I'm assuming, sorry) are willing to face facts, when they are facts, and not willing to blind ourselves and declare something a fact, simply because we want it to be one, and it aligns with our views.

Meaning, we accept it if a Black athlete is talented.

But, we call to question the idea that sports opportunities are truly colorblind as the media wishes us to believe.

We are willing to accept arguments against us -- and are prepared to supply counterarguments.

That's debate. You accept the possibility of being proven wrong.

The trouble with DWFs and any and all of these racist minority advancement groups is that they utterly ignore any counterarguments given against their flawed premises.

Ignore them, you'll have less stress in your life.

DWFs are worthless scum and not worth your time. Why play a Beethoven concerto for a deaf mute?

Your arguments are best saved for fence-sitting, even minded souls who are reasonably intelligent.

That's the demographic we should aim to sway.

 

[Wristshot]

"Accepting the existence of DWFs is a lot like accepting that much of the American (and world) population is scarcely above mentally retarded status."
In a similar vein I remember when most university professor's were in love with the early Soviet Union even though it was common knowledge that the soviets had most of the gentile professor's killed. It's like if you are a plumber or whatever and one of your co-workers wants to vote for a political party that has a known reputation for killing plumbers. Of course you would think he was the stupidest person you've ever known. Even a mosquito has more common sense, they try to avoid being killed. Yet we refer to these professor's as intellectuals and they're the ones who are teaching our teachers. No wonder the west is sinking fast. By the way the commies in China and Cambodia killed most of their academics as well. Then again maybe we should go communist for a short while so as to improve our education system.

 

[JReb1]

You'll NEVER convert a DWF but with an intelligent argument that doesn't boil down to a flame war (insults and racial epithets will make make any potential convert tune you out as just another ignorant,biased racist so don't stoop to the DWF or ethnics level) you can win over some fence sitters that can see we are right and the DWFs are the ignorant bigots.
Edited by: JReb1

 

[whiteathlete33]

You'll NEVER convert a DWF but with an intelligent argument that doesn't boil down to a flame war (insults and racial epithets will make make any potential convert tune you out as just another ignorant,biased racist so don't stoop to the DWF or ethnics level) you can win over some fence sitters that can see we are right and the DWFs are the ignorant bigots.

Not true JReb. I was a semi-DWF not too long ago. I was somewhat racially aware but never understood the the way the system is set up in sports. I changed my mind thanks to this site but I do agree it's almost impossible to wake the full DWF up.

 

[Don Wassall]

You'll NEVER convert a DWF but with an intelligent argument that doesn't boil down to a flame war (insults and racial epithets will make make any potential convert tune you out as just another ignorant,biased racist so don't stoop to the DWF or ethnics level) you can win over some fence sitters that can see we are right and the DWFs are the ignorant bigots.

Not true JReb. I was a semi-DWF not too long ago. I was somewhat racially aware but never understood the the way the system is set up in sports. I changed my mind thanks to this site but I do agree it's almost impossible to wake the full DWF up.

So you were a fence sitter that was won over by this site. Seems to me that's the exact point he is making.

 

[NCromwell]

I agree, Don.

These views can be turned around through education and just the "facts". Keep in mind we are painfully aware of the misinformation being put out by those with a social reengineering agenda & belief system.

Unfortunately this is continually reinforced by virtually all TV & Print media and if it is all that you are exposed to the logical conclusion is "DWF". Some of them, justdon't know any better. We need to continue to reeducate and fight the good fight.

We have many potential "caste busters" this year!!!

 

[JReb1]

I used to post a lot at all types of message boards and when a DWF or self hating white stooped to insults and the poor PC black propaganda I could always get many poster to agree, side and even defend my positions as long as I stayed rational and to the facts which are on our side. I've converted people to agree about the Caste system with the help of the ignorance of DWFs counter-arguments. To avoid the "racist" label I'd just say I was also against the Caste system when it was blocking black QB's and coaches from an opportunity and they have NO counter argument except that you can't (for some unknown reason) compare black QB's to White RB's or athletes which just show their double standard and biases for blacks.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

...How do I "confront" them you ask? With a right hook!

I'm very perceptive, so I can quickly assess their mental prowess (or lack there of). If they seem appear to have some degree of logic, I'll convey some of the well known facts we discuss here at CF (on White athletes like Hillis, Woodhead, etc.). If they're complete obliviot sheeple...then I'll whoop their (candy) @$$.

 

[Electric Slide]

As some may know about me I see no value in hopelessness. Obviously people are influenced through various means, we just need to increase the amount of attention that is paid to our argument. We convert DWFs to get them to stop assuming whites are slow when someone like Marc Mariani returns a TD or Hillis outruns a LB. We compliment receivers who make great catches like Wes Welker. If someone is overestimating a black players ability, we use actual facts to show them how the player isn't as great as they're making them seem. If they are putting down a white player like Wes Welker, we let them know he's in elite company with the number of receptions, and this doesn't happen by luck.

We also let them know that guys like Welker, Hillis, Woodhead just as easily could never have gotten a shot and that we'd have heard of them if they didn't.

As someone else mentioned, the Jimmy Chitwood articles are great.

I'm also a believe in infiltration, as the Rules for Radicals have done to our country. We should post on every message board, forum, video and article as we can. We do a great job of posting articles here, we just need to keep doing it as well as posting out in cyberspace. Believe it or not, it does influence how people perceive things.

As strange as this may sound, all the Toby Gerhart articles out last year that mentioned race were influenced by this site and its members. We just need to keep it up and we will convert DWFs who I honestly think would enjoy seeing a lot more white guys out there, they're just afraid to admit it.

 

[chris371]

I like to use this argument : "If the NFL is based on merit, then why are all 64 kickers and punters in the NFL white? Surely there are a few black guys in the US that are able to kick a ball. But the NFL casts certain people in certain positions."

 

[whiteathlete33]

Chris, I've mentioned before that it probably won't be long before blacks start complaining about the lack of black NFL kickers and punters. It's just bound to happen one day. BTW, all the kickers and punters in the league aren't black. I know Reggie Hodges is black and plays for the Browns.

 

[chris371]

I know, every now and then one of the 64 kicking positions is black, but still its pretty indicative of the caste system.
Blacks cant complain about the lack of black kickers without the lack of white corners becoming glaringly obvious.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Every now and then you get a black kicker but it's rare. Reggie Roby was another one who played for 16 years.

 

[jaxvid]

I know, every now and then one of the 64 kicking positions is black, but still its pretty indicative of the caste system.
Blacks cant complain about the lack of black kickers without the lack of white corners becoming glaringly obvious.

You have to consider the mentality. The way the DWF sees it, is that there are no black kickers because the job is so easy and lacking in physical skill that a 50 year old, a tiny foreigner, or a woman, could do it. So white guys are used because of the "predjudice" that GM's and coaches have in favor of white guys at a position where physcial skill is not necessary. In other words blacks would be all of the kickers if they wanted to be and weren't held back because of racial predjudice against them.

I don't think you score any points in proving the caste system to a DWF by pointing out there are no black kickers. It just reinforces their assumptions on White/black abilities.

 

[FootballDad]

I agree with jaxvid on this one. I never bring up "kickers" when arguing with DWFs, as that just brings up a few hearty guffaws by the DWF. In spite of their importance in the game, kickers are ridiculed as the least athletic, scrawny, weak players on the field (although we know differently). The DWFs comeback being along the lines of "well, it's the only position that a white guy is qualified for, they don't have the 'fast twitch' muscles, speed and athleticism to be a corner or a running back".

 

[Don Wassall]

I agree about the kickers, but it is bizarre that the continual Whiteness of the position is never discussed. Since almost all black QBs are said to have "rocket arms," common sense would tell us that there should be a huge pool of blacks with "rocket legs" to dominate the kicking positions.

The few black punters I've seen in the NFL have been as erratic in their kicking as black QBs are with their accuracy, leaving aside the ridiculous "rocket" and "cannon" adjectives given to their arms (and presumably legs). Reggie Roby was the only consistent black punter, just as Warren Moon still remains the only consistently accurate black passer.

But of course the stereotype of the weakling White kicker runs strong, which is why the Caste System and its supporting media seem content to leave the position that way. When you think about, it's one of the few jobs, sports or non-sports related, where near complete White dominance isn't criticized or challenged in some way.

 

[sport historian]

I agree about the kickers, but it is bizarre that the continual Whiteness of the position is never discussed.  Since almost all black QBs are said to have "rocket arms," common sense would tell us that there should be a huge pool of blacks with "rocket legs" to dominate the kicking positions. 
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<div>The few black punters I've seen in the NFL have been as erratic in their kicking as black QBs are with their accuracy, leaving aside the ridiculous "rocket" and "cannon" adjectives given to their arms (and presumably legs).  Reggie Roby was the only consistent black punter, just as Warren Moon still remains the only consistently accurate black passer.  </div>
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<div>But of course the stereotype of the weakling White kicker runs strong, which is why the Caste System and its supporting media seem content to leave the position that way.  When you think about, it's one of the few jobs, sports or non-sports related, where near complete White dominance isn't criticized or challenged in some way.  </div>

Yes, I have never heard complaints about punters and especially placekickers being all white, and I have read and heard a lot of complaints by blacks and white sportswriters regarding sports over 50 years. The black schools have kickers, of course, but they aren't drafted, and nobody says anything.

Howard Cosell and other media types campaigned for decades for black QBs and coaches. I have never, and I mean never, seen a writer or announcer demand black field goal kickers.

Here is a theory-a FG kicker either does it or does not. It's VERY obvious if your kicker misses the last-second field goal. The black FG kickers never appear good enough and you can't force them in the way you can someone like Michael Vick.

 

[jaxvid]

I have mentioned on this site that when I played football back in the Detroit Public School league many moons ago there were a lot of nearly all black teams and very few of them had black kickers. An occasional punter or two once in a while but they always seemed to find the white guy for kickoffs. The kicking game was so erratic at those black schools that extra points and field goals were almost NEVER attempted except when there was almost no time left and it was too far to go for it.

I wonder what it's like today? I think a lot of schools have hispanics or african blacks that have played a lot of soccer and they do the kicking for them.

 

[snow]

The movie Friday Night Lights, thats based on a true story right? I was watching it with an relative. When they played the all black team they always went for two, he thought they were just trying to rub it in. I made a joke about how they might just be doing that because they don't have anyone that can kick.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Many message board DWFs are VERY ignorant and too lazy to simply look up stats or are incapable of accurately evaluating a white players superior performance compared to their black supermen. Here are some examples. The following is why I find it difficult to hang around long on these type of boards:

fftodayforums.com:
On Danny Woodhead- FF (ignorant) Geek wrote:
I think on Monday Night they listed him at 170. That's Dexter McCluster minus the homerun speed. No Thanks
Moron spews garbage about Woodhead

My take: This lame brain has no desire (or intelligence?) to look up the fact that McCluster ran a 4.58 at the NFL combine and Danny Woodhead ran a 4.33/4.38 at his Pro Day. Anyone care to inform this loser of his ignorance?

On footballsfuture (which is probably the biggest cultural Marxist thought policeman sports board on the web)- some Patriot DWFs were talking about the need to draft a RB- even with how Woody has played. Here are some comments:

briz("brain") wrote: i have no doubt the Pats will draft Ingram now. We got very lucky to win this game and we had no run game besides some wriggly squirmy runs by Woodhead that surprised them. It should not be this hard to win.

"McMoron" sort of stands up for Woodhead, by saying this, but would go on to insult Hillis later:

McMoron wrote: The Pats had 127 on 26 carries. You can't just dismiss the "wriggly squirmy runs" as well as the end-arounds (which you don't mention) because they don't fit your narrative. The Ravens have a pretty stout defense and the Pats were able to run well enough to win.

Green-Ellis didn't do much, but they didn't use him for almost 2 quarters when they were down 2 scores.

briz("brain") wrote: love woodhead but lets be realistic hes a 3rd down change of pace back and a great replacement for Faulk. He cannot carry the load he would get injured in a millisecond as a starting RB. We need a big bruising durable franchise powerback and thats pretty much Ingram. Todays game proved that to me, like i said we had no running game besides some reverses and so runs by woodhead that surprised the ravens. This was a playoff calibur team we played today and it took every ounce of our dink and dunk passing offense to pull out a win in overtime. It should not be like this, this is not how we should play, this is not how we won championships. We did it with the ground game and great defense.

Red(smells like a)sox2004 wrote:
We need a better RB, but I doubt it's Ingram.

(un)Grachuus(to Woodhead) wrote:
I believe what you mean to say is that its obviously a position where improvement is possible. Need is not the word.

The Patriots have not at all required greatness at the running back position over the years for a successful offense. As completely mundane and unimpressive as Lawfirm is he's able to fulfill the role we have for him adequately.

Tizimisce wrote: Power runners like LawFirm don't generally do well against the Ravens front 7 anyway. Peyton Hillis was an exception obviously, but he's generally a monster.

Then McMoron writes:
9-41-1
8-35-1
22-144-1
27-102-1
10-28-0
12-41-0

He's had one really good game as a full time back (vs. Baltimore) and a bunch of limited use and/or mediocre games. Hillis is hardly a monster, if anything he is becoming one of the most overrated backs in the league.
Footballsblackfuture.com

My take: Woodhead leads the league in YPC for RBs with over 20 carries. How is that not greatness idiot! Why would Woodhead get injured, but Jones-Drew and Barry Sanders hold up- they are all basically the same size and Woodhead's moves are better than Jones-Drew and almost on par with Sanders. On Hillis that's a lie- He plays in the toughest division to run in- in the NFL and even had an above average YPC against the best rushing defense in the league in Pittsburgh with an injured quad muscle. His YPC of 4.4 is above the league average of 4 YPC. Both these guys are among the better receiving tailbacks in the league I'd say.

Now take a look at the inability to analyze the brilliance of Nile Knapp- who had the best highlight tape in all of H.S football last year- from Scout.com:
Nile Knapp detractors
More Garbage about Nile Knapp

My take: Get real, Nile Knapp has MUCH better moves and highlights than Tony Zenon (who played one level up from Knapp in the GISA). Knapp had poor blocking, but consistently made big plays with virtually nothing there. Knapp has better measuruables overall than Zenon (other than 3rd gear/ long speed- Knapp is above Zenon in every athletic measurement). Knapp had overall better production. Yeah, but you can guess who got the scholarship to Georgia Tech from black power Paul Johnson.

Bottom line guys- is we need to sign up for these sites and argue just as I did in the "my takes" without the name calling of course! Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins