Hitler and the invasion of Poland

[DixieDestroyer]

It's very probable that within the next 20 years we will have "hate speech" laws in the USA and won't even be able to discuss any of this anymore, except to repeat the official narrative.

I'd say within 5-10 years we'll see such Orwellian tyranny.

 

[referendum]

Thrashen, excellent post. The culpability for starting the war is something that I think about alot, as its impact has been so tragic. I have much sympathy for many of Hitler's moves in the late 1930's, namely the Anschluss with Austria, the incorporation of the Sudetenland, and then Memel in March 1939. On the other hand his takeover of the Czech lands in March 1939, and his invasion of Poland were in my mind, two grievous errors and injustices. The Czech takeover was a true debacle, as President Hacha, when he met with Hitler on March 14 pleaded with Hitler to allow an independent Czechia, to stand side by side along with the semi-independent Slovakia that was being midwifed by Germany that week. Such a small new country, Czechia, would have had to become a German ally, much as Slovakia did, due to geography and economics, and Hitler's failure to allow this was his first step toward leading Germany into the abyss.
Concerning Hogans' Heroes I recall my best friends mother who is kind of an Amish liberal type being horrified that German soldiers could be portrayed in so positive a light. Perhaps at the start of each episode of the show there could have been a statement mentioned just how high a survival rate western ally POW's had in German captivity.

 

[tuKoji]

He wanted to ally with Poland against the USSR. The Polish military junta wouldn't have it, and preferred a war with Germany, with Poland being backed by the UK. They tried to goad Germany into attacking them, planning to hold out long enough so that Britain could attack Germany. The only evidence of the Gleiwitz incident being "staged" comes from the Nuremberg trials which utilized torture to obtain their confessions, before that it was never questioned as an authentic attack. The Polish also legitimately attacked Germans living within the Polish borders. They didn't foresee Germany making an alliance with USSR.

 

[Rebajlo]

But good lord you are such a windbag. It takes you 20 paragraphs to belabor what could be said in 2 sentences.

I will leave you with two quotes:
"Brevity is the essence of wit."

"Gratiano speaks an infinite deal of nothing, more
than any man in all Venice. His reasons are as two
grains of wheat hid in two bushels of chaff: you
shall seek all day ere you find them, and when you
have them, they are not worth the search."

Old Scratch -

You'll find that it's actually "Brevity is the soul of wit" (Hamlet II, II). :icon_wink: Perhaps You meant to say "Brevity is the essence of wisdom"? Sorry for coming across as a stickler. 'Tis not my intention to cast aspersions - let's just say that Shakespeare is one of my areas of expertise. Look at it this way: the slight discrepancy conclusively proves that You didn't google it up. :icon_wink: :thumb:

I generally explain things in minute detail for the express benefit of those lurkers and first-time visitors I spoke of in my last post. Everything I write here is intended as an "advertisement" for the pro-White school of thought. After all, not everyone who reads our materials views them as self-evident truths and the site's overall aim is to "convert" brainwashed and ambivalent Whites...

In such a context, a more fastidious explanation may facilitate comprehension of the pith. Brevis esse laboro, obscurus fio can be quite apt, you know...

Anything, and anybody that Hollywood demonizes is probably righteous.

Hollywood demonizes White men, particularly southern men. Hollywood demonizes heterosexuals. Hollywood demonizes blonde, and red haired people. Hollywood demonizes Christianity. More than ALL those things Hollywood demonizes Nazis.

Based on this alone any free thinking person must at least consider looking into the issue with an open mind.

Ive observed that the people who immediately write Hitler off as evil are usually just the kind of idiots that cant think for themselves.

Woodhead -

How about adding something to the discussion by outlining a few facts because statements such as "Anything, and anybody that Hollywood demonizes is probably righteous" aren't too independently compelling, are they? But what would an idiot like me know anyway...

I don't think Hitler talk is counter productive.It really only scares away two kinds of people ; closed minded conservative types who are strong believers in holocaustianity and WW2 propaganda, and also people who live in countries like the UK and Australia. And neither group matters much to our cause, especially the older closed minded types. We should be appealing to young, open minded people. They're the kind of people who start revolutions.

I say, this chap must surely be in the running for some sort of Post Of The Thread award (sponsored by ACME - Purveyors Of Shockingly Substandard Bovine Manure, By Special Appointment To The Guild Of Dill Pickers, Third Class)...

Please elaborate upon the highlighted portion of your gold-medal winning post. Go ahead, don't be shy - I'm genuinely ****ing fascinated...

I assume that you’re referring to the NSDAP, as opposed to merely “Nationalism†(the root of “Nazi†being in the pronunciation of the word “nationalâ€)? If so, would you agree that it takes absolutely no courage whatsoever to make such a statement or to harbor such an opinion? Every citizen of every nation, of every age, every gender, every race, every ethnicity, every sexual orientation, and every religious creed has fully subscribed to this very same totalitarian commandment from “on high.†Essentially, there is only “one opinion†on the matter.

Thrashen -

Come now, You are well aware that Your assumption is correct. Do You truly believe I'm exhibiting four feathers' worth of intellectual cowardice and merely subscribing to a "totalitarian commandment from on high"?

There are possibly more myths - both positive and negative, depending on viewpoint - surrounding "Nazi Germany" than any other subject. It's also safe to say that quite a substantial segment of the pro-White "subculture" has inverted society's anathematisation of Hitler and the NSDAP. Such pro-Whites have placed both the man and the party upon a dais of veneration and consequently view criticism of Nazi Germany as a form of ideological blasphemy which betokens either perniciously intransigent national prejudice (which, I'm sure, a number of our members doubtlessly ascribe to me... :icon_wink , woeful gullibility, or plain stupidity. In other words, the so-called "closed minds" certain posters have delighted in mocking within this very thread.

I've been pro-White for my entire life. I was repeatedly disciplined in both primary and high school for using the N word and other "inappropriate and racist" terms (in secondary school, I was commonly referred to as "The KKK Man") in addition to constantly drawing attention to the intellectual inferiority of Negroes, Aboriginals, and the other "non-civilised" peoples; I've been expelled from a university residential college for evincing "racist attitudes" and my initial professional career was - in part - derailed for similar reasons. Nevertheless, almost every time I have put in an appearance at a "White Nationalist" organisation or posted on a "White Nationalist" forum and revealed that I'm not a fan of Hitler or Nazism my pro-White "credentials" (and, quite often, my racial pedigree itself) has immediately been impugned by many who believe that Hitler is the be all and end all of pro-White thought.

During the course of the Second World War my Polish family experienced the "humanity" of both the German and Soviet occupations. Hailing from Wolyn (that's Volhynia to English speakers) they were also on the receiving end of a "bonus" which remains virtually unknown in the west: the Rzez wolynska, or "Volhynian Slaughter" of 1943-1944 during which Ukrainian "nationalists" savagely butchered a minimum of 60,000-80,000 civilians. And when I say "savagely", that's an eiderdown euphemism. But, of course, as the victims weren't Jews, Germans, or Russians such trifling details are immaterial to academia or to anyone else - apart from the Poles themselves, that is...

I don't wish to appear presumptuous but unlike the families of probably all of our other members - to whom these events are dispassionately distant subjects of speculation and amateur study - my family actually experienced the "excesses" of both the Nazis and the Soviets first hand. In fact, my family experienced those "excesses" to such a degree that it was eventually reduced to just two people, viz. my mother and uncle, who were but children at the time. Sure, a number of my erstwhile kin were professional military men who perished on the battlefield. But can You or anyone else reading this hazard a guess as to why I definitely know the Germans systematically murdered unarmed Polish civilians? :lightbulb:

Pro-Whites enthusiastically remind everyone that the Soviets committed atrocities en masse yet most refuse to admit (or, more accurately, believe) that the Germans were unleashing a similar kind of terror in occupied Poland. The evidence in both cases is equally abundant yet only the Soviet actions are ever spoken of.

I've raised the subject of Generalplan Ost, the Intelligenzaktion and its constituent Sonderaktion operations twice already in this thread but have yet to hear anyone's opinion. Nobody has even bothered to attempt to deny that the likes of Operation Tannenberg took place. Plenty of courage on show there...

The narratives of "revisionist" encomiasts are characterised by a scrupulous avoidance of any admission of German wrongdoing - however minor. Hitler embodied unalloyed selfless good and anyone who opposed him is painted as either evil or stupidly shortsighted (generally both) and directly responsible for scuppering the birdsong-filled utopia which a German victory would have ushered in.

In much of the White Nationalist world Poles are often as besmirched as the "Nazis" are in the "mainstream". Why? Because they failed to acquiesce to Hitler's every demand and had the temerity to defend their land. No, that's not quite correct: the Poles attacked Germany in what must have been a continuation of their age-old policy of western expansion - a Drang nach Westen, maybe...

At this juncture, I may as well ask everyone a few questions: how much "German" territory (please refer to my initial post) should Poland have "returned" to "the Reich"? In fact, should an independent Poland have even been permitted to exist at all? If so, where exactly should the Polish-German borders have been demarcated?

Following a notional formal incorporation of Gdansk (Danzig) into Germany, what was to come next? An extraterritorial railway and highway through the "Polish Corridor" (complete with conspicuously convenient conflict triggers)? A plebiscite to determine the future of the "Corridor", the proposed terms of which Hitler blatantly skewed to ensure an artificially high German vote? Even if the "Corridor" had been surrendered to Germany do You honestly believe Hitler would have stopped there? After all, he was concurrently demanding a revision of frontiers in Upper Silesia. The pre-1914 German state had included the Province of Poznan, so should the Poles have shrugged their shoulders and also meekly relinquished the whole of Greater Poland, which included the cradle of their nation-state (yet again, please refer to my original post)? Most importantly, should the Poles of all of these areas have willingly returned to German rule under which they had always been officially treated as second-class citizens - or, more precisely, an alien people whose limited civic rights were tied to the acceptance of compulsory Germanisation? Perhaps they should have simply abandoned those lands - which their people had continuously inhabited for approximately one and a half millennia - thus sparing Germany the time and effort of the post-September 1939 mass expulsions?

Look, at this point I've bloody well had enough of all of this. :frusty: As I've said countless times before, I don't wish to argue with fellow White Nationalists. Everyone is here for the same broad reasons, which are infinitely more important than endless bickering over a past being rapidly overshadowed by the looming threats of the present.

Let's face it: I'm fairly certain that I won't convince Thrashen, Old Scratch, werewolf, Kaptain or anyone else who is pro-Hitler / pro-Nazi of my point of view - nor are they going to change my mind on the subject. That's just how it goes. Everyone states their arguments, (hopefully) reads the counter-arguments and (hopefully) increases their overall knowledge of the topic at hand. I'd like to believe that what we have in common as "racially aware" White men far outweighs our differences.

Just as a final little aside, some here may be surprised to learn that my two best friends are half-Ukrainian and sport an unambiguously German surname. Life sure is interesting, is it not... :icon_wink:

 

[werewolf]

They did the same thing to National Socialist Germany when Hitler opted out of their international banking usury racket - and then the German economy boomed while the rest of the world was mired in the depression.

History is Written by the Victors: Adolf Hitler – The Greatest Story Never Told (Full Version)

http://undergrounddocumentaries.com...r-the-greatest-story-never-told-full-version/

 

[Kaptain]

That's another lengthy post that I don't care to copy in reply. So what I gathered is that it is Germany's fault that Ukrainian nationalists, who you currently support in present day, slaughtered Polish people during mostly Soviet occupation. I think a WTF is in order.

Not to mention that just a few years earlier the "League of Nations" yes the "League of Nations" condemned Poland for what they were doing to Ukrainians. Were the evil Nazis supposed to fight Ukraine to defend Poles who clearly agitated for war with Germany? Would you and Hollywood consider the Nazis hero's for slaughtering Ukrainians in defense of Poles? I doubt it.

I'll skip to your questions about what should have Poland been - a country as it was, a smaller country, or a non-existent country. My answer would be anything that could defend it's own borders against it's immediate neighbors without our involvement. I would answer that the same way I would answer the question of how much should land should we give to the American Indians. None if we don't want to. They were unable to defend their sparsely populated land and maintain their archaic uncivilized society. If it were the other way around no white man would be alive today in America.

War was coming to Germany no matter what - that was clear. Poland and the Polish people played the stooge (like we all eventually did) that finally got Germany into a war that the rest of the controlled world desperately wanted. Could you imagine a white nationalist state like Germany existing without war being brought on them? Not a chance. If little Iceland today declared to be a white's only or even an Icelandic only country, tomorrow the hell hounds of the world would be released on them.

 

[werewolf]

March 1933.

 

[werewolf]

... Could you imagine a white nationalist state like Germany existing without war being brought on them? Not a chance. If little Iceland today declared to be a white's only or even an Icelandic only country, tomorrow the hell hounds of the world would be released on them.

Little Iceland is already playing with fire, standing up to the international bankers.

You see what the allegedly white nations of the world did to South Africa, a great first world nation. Every day their propaganda machine would run phony stories about the supposed evils of "apartheid". Now that they have handed it, as well as Rhodesia, over to the cannibals - and Harry Openheimer, and the country degenerates into the bestial savagery of the african jungle, they have completely lost interest.

That's also what they did to Germany when Germany freed itself from the international bankers, and that's what they're doing to Iran now. Iran, by the way, means Aryan.

 

[Kaptain]

Poland had a healthy Jewish population of at least 10%. In the U.S. we are told that less than 2% of the population are from the tribe. And yet we are unarguable under Jewish dominated control - the extent of which only can be argued. Imagine what Poland was like in 1939.

Every time an unproven atrocity is proposed to be the fault of Germans - all I have to say is Remember the Katyn Forest. The largest proved prison massacre of World War 2. Scientists around the world evaluated and concluded that the Russians did it. Jewish Journalists and historians throughout the world made us believe it was the evil Nazis for 50 years! That is until the Soviet empire finally fell in the 90's and the truth was revealed.

Remember the lessons of the Katyn Forest.

 

[sport historian]

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Old Scratch -

You'll find that it's actually "Brevity is the soul of wit" (Hamlet II, II). :icon_wink: Perhaps You meant to say "Brevity is the essence of wisdom"? Sorry for coming across as a stickler. 'Tis not my intention to cast aspersions - let's just say that Shakespeare is one of my areas of expertise. Look at it this way: the slight discrepancy conclusively proves that You didn't google it up. :icon_wink: :thumb:

I generally explain things in minute detail for the express benefit of those lurkers and first-time visitors I spoke of in my last post. Everything I write here is intended as an "advertisement" for the pro-White school of thought. After all, not everyone who reads our materials views them as self-evident truths and the site's overall aim is to "convert" brainwashed and ambivalent Whites...

In such a context, a more fastidious explanation may facilitate comprehension of the pith. Brevis esse laboro, obscurus fio can be quite apt, you know...


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Woodhead -

How about adding something to the discussion by outlining a few facts because statements such as "Anything, and anybody that Hollywood demonizes is probably righteous" aren't too independently compelling, are they? But what would an idiot like me know anyway...


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I say, this chap must surely be in the running for some sort of Post Of The Thread award (sponsored by ACME - Purveyors Of Shockingly Substandard Bovine Manure, By Special Appointment To The Guild Of Dill Pickers, Third Class)...

Please elaborate upon the highlighted portion of your gold-medal winning post. Go ahead, don't be shy - I'm genuinely ****ing fascinated...


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Thrashen -

Come now, You are well aware that Your assumption is correct. Do You truly believe I'm exhibiting four feathers' worth of intellectual cowardice and merely subscribing to a "totalitarian commandment from on high"?

There are possibly more myths - both positive and negative, depending on viewpoint - surrounding "Nazi Germany" than any other subject. It's also safe to say that quite a substantial segment of the pro-White "subculture" has inverted society's anathematisation of Hitler and the NSDAP. Such pro-Whites have placed both the man and the party upon a dais of veneration and consequently view criticism of Nazi Germany as a form of ideological blasphemy which betokens either perniciously intransigent national prejudice (which, I'm sure, a number of our members doubtlessly ascribe to me... :icon_wink , woeful gullibility, or plain stupidity. In other words, the so-called "closed minds" certain posters have delighted in mocking within this very thread.

I've been pro-White for my entire life. I was repeatedly disciplined in both primary and high school for using the N word and other "inappropriate and racist" terms (in secondary school, I was commonly referred to as "The KKK Man") in addition to constantly drawing attention to the intellectual inferiority of Negroes, Aboriginals, and the other "non-civilised" peoples; I've been expelled from a university residential college for evincing "racist attitudes" and my initial professional career was - in part - derailed for similar reasons. Nevertheless, almost every time I have put in an appearance at a "White Nationalist" organisation or posted on a "White Nationalist" forum and revealed that I'm not a fan of Hitler or Nazism my pro-White "credentials" (and, quite often, my racial pedigree itself) has immediately been impugned by many who believe that Hitler is the be all and end all of pro-White thought.

During the course of the Second World War my Polish family experienced the "humanity" of both the German and Soviet occupations. Hailing from Wolyn (that's Volhynia to English speakers) they were also on the receiving end of a "bonus" which remains virtually unknown in the west: the Rzez wolynska, or "Volhynian Slaughter" of 1943-1944 during which Ukrainian "nationalists" savagely butchered a minimum of 60,000-80,000 civilians. And when I say "savagely", that's an eiderdown euphemism. But, of course, as the victims weren't Jews, Germans, or Russians such trifling details are immaterial to academia or to anyone else - apart from the Poles themselves, that is...

I don't wish to appear presumptuous but unlike the families of probably all of our other members - to whom these events are dispassionately distant subjects of speculation and amateur study - my family actually experienced the "excesses" of both the Nazis and the Soviets first hand. In fact, my family experienced those "excesses" to such a degree that it was eventually reduced to just two people, viz. my mother and uncle, who were but children at the time. Sure, a number of my erstwhile kin were professional military men who perished on the battlefield. But can You or anyone else reading this hazard a guess as to why I definitely know the Germans systematically murdered unarmed Polish civilians? :lightbulb:

Pro-Whites enthusiastically remind everyone that the Soviets committed atrocities en masse yet most refuse to admit (or, more accurately, believe) that the Germans were unleashing a similar kind of terror in occupied Poland. The evidence in both cases is equally abundant yet only the Soviet actions are ever spoken of.

I've raised the subject of Generalplan Ost, the Intelligenzaktion and its constituent Sonderaktion operations twice already in this thread but have yet to hear anyone's opinion. Nobody has even bothered to attempt to deny that the likes of Operation Tannenberg took place. Plenty of courage on show there...

The narratives of "revisionist" encomiasts are characterised by a scrupulous avoidance of any admission of German wrongdoing - however minor. Hitler embodied unalloyed selfless good and anyone who opposed him is painted as either evil or stupidly shortsighted (generally both) and directly responsible for scuppering the birdsong-filled utopia which a German victory would have ushered in.

In much of the White Nationalist world Poles are often as besmirched as the "Nazis" are in the "mainstream". Why? Because they failed to acquiesce to Hitler's every demand and had the temerity to defend their land. No, that's not quite correct: the Poles attacked Germany in what must have been a continuation of their age-old policy of western expansion - a Drang nach Westen, maybe...

At this juncture, I may as well ask everyone a few questions: how much "German" territory (please refer to my initial post) should Poland have "returned" to "the Reich"? In fact, should an independent Poland have even been permitted to exist at all? If so, where exactly should the Polish-German borders have been demarcated?

Following a notional formal incorporation of Gdansk (Danzig) into Germany, what was to come next? An extraterritorial railway and highway through the "Polish Corridor" (complete with conspicuously convenient conflict triggers)? A plebiscite to determine the future of the "Corridor", the proposed terms of which Hitler blatantly skewed to ensure an artificially high German vote? Even if the "Corridor" had been surrendered to Germany do You honestly believe Hitler would have stopped there? After all, he was concurrently demanding a revision of frontiers in Upper Silesia. The pre-1914 German state had included the Province of Poznan, so should the Poles have shrugged their shoulders and also meekly relinquished the whole of Greater Poland, which included the cradle of their nation-state (yet again, please refer to my original post)? Most importantly, should the Poles of all of these areas have willingly returned to German rule under which they had always been officially treated as second-class citizens - or, more precisely, an alien people whose limited civic rights were tied to the acceptance of compulsory Germanisation? Perhaps they should have simply abandoned those lands - which their people had continuously inhabited for approximately one and a half millennia - thus sparing Germany the time and effort of the post-September 1939 mass expulsions?

Look, at this point I've bloody well had enough of all of this. :frusty: As I've said countless times before, I don't wish to argue with fellow White Nationalists. Everyone is here for the same broad reasons, which are infinitely more important than endless bickering over a past being rapidly overshadowed by the looming threats of the present.

Let's face it: I'm fairly certain that I won't convince Thrashen, Old Scratch, werewolf, Kaptain or anyone else who is pro-Hitler / pro-Nazi of my point of view - nor are they going to change my mind on the subject. That's just how it goes. Everyone states their arguments, (hopefully) reads the counter-arguments and (hopefully) increases their overall knowledge of the topic at hand. I'd like to believe that what we have in common as "racially aware" White men far outweighs our differences.

Just as a final little aside, some here may be surprised to learn that my two best friends are half-Ukrainian and sport an unambiguously German surname. Life sure is interesting, is it not... :icon_wink:

Very well said. I have corresponded with a man born in Vienna in 1925. He experienced the Anschluss and two years in the German army (was a Panther tank crewman in Hungary 1944-45). He didn't find the Third Reich to be a paradise.

 

[Matra2]

It's also safe to say that quite a substantial segment of the pro-White "subculture" has inverted society's anathematisation of Hitler and the NSDAP. Such pro-Whites have placed both the man and the party upon a dais of veneration and consequently view criticism of Nazi Germany as a form of ideological blasphemy which betokens either perniciously intransigent national prejudice (which, I'm sure, a number of our members doubtlessly ascribe to me... :icon_wink , woeful gullibility, or plain stupidity. In other words, the so-called "closed minds" certain posters have delighted in mocking within this very thread.

Unfortunately the entire political right is made up of people who react to the left or mainstream society instead of thinking for themselves. The mostly small town Middle American Nazi fetishists are just a more knee-jerk version of right wingers throughout the world. As the Left is busy inventing new causes the Right reacts then realises that the Leftists have not only moved the goalposts on each issue they've invented new ones that the Right will have to catch up on.

A perfect example of the knee-jerk mentality was post 9/11 America. I was in Middle America (Indiana) a few weeks after 9/11. I had numerous conversations about the events and how to respond but the conservative type people I spoke too were so obsessed with liberal criticisms of George W Bush they couldn't think straight. The "blame America liberals" didn't like Bush therefore these conservatives defended everything Bush said or did. It's the same with the pro-Putin and pro-Hitler wings of the Right: Emotional reaction trumps logic and facts.

However, having said all that, there appears to be an ethnic German thing happening here and all American-based WNist websites. I've noticed that the same Americans who say Hitler was a poor innocent victim also believe the Germans bear no responsibility for starting WW1 - so it is not an ideological or Jew thing as that government was radically different from Hitler's. German atrocities in neutral Belgium like rounding up and shooting 612 men, women, and children in Dinant in August 1914 are ignored by American WNists eager to defend German actions no matter what, and in the process of doing so they are establishing a white hierarchy with Germans on top and I guess Belgians, Poles, Anglo-Saxons and others near the bottom. Yet in Germany itself they will tell you Kaiser Wilhelm was an irresponsible chauvinist and an incompetent boob. A great man like Bismarck would never have started a war that resulted in most of Europe uniting against Germany.

So WNism appears to be a vicarious form of nationalism that appeals mostly to German-Americans. It will never appeal to the white race as most of us have complicated - not necessarily hostile - relationships with Germany: That is, the actual Germany that exists, not some imaginary one from the past.

 

[Matra2]

I don't think Hitler talk is counter productive. It really only scares away two kinds of people ; closed minded conservative types who are strong believers in holocaustianity and WW2 propaganda, and also people who live in countries like the UK and Australia. And neither group matters much to our cause.

If I'm not mistaken this poster used to have a Bashir Assad avatar. Yes - to swarthy Middle Easterners. No - to the Anglo-Saxons!

 

[werewolf]

Me, I'm just interested in the truth about everything, and let the chips fall where they may. I know their propaganda machine distorts and lies about almost everything - race, history, crime, sex perverts and morality, their mock democracy with its mock elections, their false flags and setups that they start all their wars with - pearl harbor, gulf of tonkin, the maine, ft sumpter, 911, etc etc - even sports, which is what this place is all about - and the phony tripe that they hand out to the canon fodders in order to get them waving their flags and killing the designated enemy du jour for them. And WW2 was the most seminal event of all, the last time that the white race and western civilization - including , by the way, tens of thousands of righteous Jews, stood up on its hind legs and defied them. Now, since 1945, the year zero, they are basically just mopping up, reducing the "victor" nations to multiracial hell holes.

 

[werewolf]

If I'm not mistaken this poster used to have a Bashir Assad avatar. Yes - to swarthy Middle Easterners. No - to the Anglo-Saxons!

Bashar el-Assad (a medical doctor) and his wife look a hell of a lot whiter than the rulers of Zog-USSA!

All I gotta do is look at the rulers of the Syrian government and then look at John McCain's "ISIS" buddies and I can tell who the good guys are. Same with the Viet Cong vs the slimy dragon lady **** they supported in Vietnam. Same with just about all their bulls**** wars.

 

[werewolf]

And like I said, I like Polish people, I like all white people, and I like Asian people, and I even like Negroes if they were put back where they belong in the African jungle, and I like righteous Jewish people, and righteous Islamic people. I like everybody, and they call me a "hater"! What I don't like is when they get people to kill each other and destroy their works. I don't believe in murdering people just because of the uniform he's wearing or the language or accent he speaks in or what religion he has or lies they invent.

I can understand race war, because conflict amongst the races and species is part of nature, and right now there is a race war going on, only it's a one way war against the white race.

 

[Kaptain]

Unfortunately the entire political right is made up of people who react to the left or mainstream society instead of thinking for themselves. The mostly small town Middle American Nazi fetishists are just a more knee-jerk version of right wingers throughout the world. As the Left is busy inventing new causes the Right reacts then realises that the Leftists have not only moved the goalposts on each issue they've invented new ones that the Right will have to catch up on.

A perfect example of the knee-jerk mentality was post 9/11 America. I was in Middle America (Indiana) a few weeks after 9/11. I had numerous conversations about the events and how to respond but the conservative type people I spoke too were so obsessed with liberal criticisms of George W Bush they couldn't think straight. The "blame America liberals" didn't like Bush therefore these conservatives defended everything Bush said or did. It's the same with the pro-Putin and pro-Hitler wings of the Right: Emotional reaction trumps logic and facts.

However, having said all that, there appears to be an ethnic German thing happening here and all American-based WNist websites. I've noticed that the same Americans who say Hitler was a poor innocent victim also believe the Germans bear no responsibility for starting WW1 - so it is not an ideological or Jew thing as that government was radically different from Hitler's. German atrocities in neutral Belgium like rounding up and shooting 612 men, women, and children in Dinant in August 1914 are ignored by American WNists eager to defend German actions no matter what, and in the process of doing so they are establishing a white hierarchy with Germans on top and I guess Belgians, Poles, Anglo-Saxons and others near the bottom. Yet in Germany itself they will tell you Kaiser Wilhelm was an irresponsible chauvinist and an incompetent boob. A great man like Bismarck would never have started a war that resulted in most of Europe uniting against Germany.

So WNism appears to be a vicarious form of nationalism that appeals mostly to German-Americans. It will never appeal to the white race as most of us have complicated - not necessarily hostile - relationships with Germany: That is, the actual Germany that exists, not some imaginary one from the past.

Katyn Forest

 

[Kaptain]

Very well said. I have corresponded with a man born in Vienna in 1925. He experienced the Anschluss and two years in the German army (was a Panther tank crewman in Hungary 1944-45). He didn't find the Third Reich to be a paradise.

My dad personally worked with two German soldiers who survived and made it to America after the war. Despite decades of Americanism, they fully believed in their cause and believed they were the good guys until their dying day. It's not an unusual story as you can watch many former Germans interviewed and find the same result.

 

[werewolf]

Katyn Forest

The Allies committed the Holocaust in the Katyn Forest - The Allies! - in their so called "good war"! The Allies,the Judeo-Bolsheviks. Then after the war was over they tortured the Germans they had in their clutches and the forced them to confess to doing it, and then they killed them. They tortured the Germans and their allies into confessing to anything their sick minds could think of, like turning 6 million Jews into bars of soap and lamp shades or putting them on homicidal gas chambers disguised as showers.


A Jewish man wrote a book called, I think, An Eye For An Eye, in which he describes the post war Allied torture chambers
and real deathcamps they set up in post-war occupied Europe, mostly staffed by Jews dressed up in US. Army uniforms.

Then there was Eisenhower's post war death camps in which more German soldiers (average age 17) were exterminated than died on the western front throughout the war.

 

[werewolf]

And what the Bolshevik Allies did in the Katyn Forest was systematically exterminate the upper classes of Poland - every Polish officer that they had captured was murdered, as well as intellectuals, and churchmen, the best and bravest and most handsome and beautiful people...same thing the Bolsheviks did in Russia, and they're still doing it today in the middle east. The Jewish monster Lavrenti Beria was in charge.

 

[ThePhilosopher]

If I'm not mistaken this poster used to have a Bashir Assad avatar. Yes - to swarthy Middle Easterners. No - to the Anglo-Saxons!

Yes,Muslims are fine you know:yuck:,but not us lesser Europeans.We're whores for the jew anyway.I someday wonder if,what with the falling standards of what is considered "white" by WN,we'll soon consider anyone who isn't a Negro "white".Anyways sickly wogs who are incidentally anti-semites,get to be a honorary whites even now.

That's also what they did to Germany when Germany freed itself from the international bankers, and that's what they're doing to Iran now. Iran, by the way, means Aryan.

A few aeons ago,they might as well have been "Aryan",but now?Hell no,what with the highest number of Rhinoplasties in the world being conducted there:spit:.If that doesn't scream "definitely not Aryan",I'll give up for now.

Bashar el-Assad (a medical doctor) and his wife look a hell of a lot whiter than the rulers of Zog-USSA!

Jew's cousins....but then you once stated something to the effect of "Jews are white":sick:

 

[ThePhilosopher]

Now that we're going towards this discussion about who're the greater/lesser whites,I say let's have it!
It must be said,that most people Rebaljo is dealing with seem to be native English,yet,boy is he teaching you'll a lesson or two in English,along with proving to be more than a handful?Who's the Untermensch now?:eyebrows:

You'll fight to the death to call a Muslims white,you'll defend Christianity blindly and call me a jew for pointing out the obvious - that Christianity is a jew run enterprise and that your God is dead.......and on the other hand you'll say that the Poles asked for their own extermination and indeed deserved it?:der:

Its shameful how Rebaljo has to defend himself alone(he's doing more than a good job,of course),with his backs to the wall,while being accused of being biased,and having his commitment to this cause called into question.Its clear the rest of you hold the view that the Poles were a lesser people who should have just made way for "The Master Race".


"Damn!If these dumb Poles hadn't got in the way in the way,The Fuhrer would have pulled off Operation Barbarossa successfully!":icon_rolleyes:
Please,he is my Fuhrer as well,but can we not acknowledge his faults?The Dunkirk Obduracy?The aforementioned Operation Barbarossa,in that it could've been timed a bit better at the very least?Being so naive as to send Rudolf Hess to the Jews to try and negotiate peace?

But no,clearly not.Oh if only,we'd have been in that bunker that fateful day!


.....but then again,of course,the Poles deserved it for letting the Jews thrive in their nation,as "Kaptain" indirectly alluded to.


And Don Wassall,Moderators,please don't accuse me of flaming.Rebaljo warned in his first post that this is counter-productive,and won't end well.I can't just sit there and watch when certain accusations,statements are made!


Off topic:

By the way,Rebaljo congrats on Australia winning the Cricket World Cup.It was great to see a team comprised only of whites win it!The final was a great all-white affair!'d have liked to bring the World Cup earlier,but I'm English,so I can't speak.

Also,check out the Music Videos thread.Hoping you'll put up an obscure gem up next!:becky:

 

[Don Wassall]

I'm not accusing anyone of trolling. What concerns me is that a thread like this one is still going strong weeks after it was started, while many of the sports forums are quiet as can be. To me it's misplaced passion and direction and not helpful to growing the site.