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Fascinating stats on penalties and race by a Vox Day reader:

Your posts about the Euro final and black players not being composed under pressure got me thinking about historical penalty results for England. I went back to the 1996 Euro and compiled the data for their eight shootouts since that tournament.
  • 1996 Euro vs Spain (W)- whites 4/4, blacks N/A
  • 1996 Euro vs Germany (L)- whites 5/6, blacks N/A
  • 1998 WC vs Argentina (L)- whites 3/4, blacks 0/1
  • 2004 Euro vs Portugal (L)- whites 4/5, blacks 1/2
  • 2006 WC vs Portugal (L)- whites 1/4, blacks N/A
  • 2012 Euro vs Italy (L)- whites 2/2, blacks 0/2
  • 2018 WC vs Colombia (W)- whites 3/4, blacks 1/1
  • 2021 Euro vs Italy (L)- whites 2/2, blacks 0/3
Total: whites 24/31 (77%) vs blacks 2/9 (22%)

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2021/07/mailvox-statistics-are-racist.html

Not much of a sample size, but still interesting.

Ha, yep, the numbers don't look good. They didn't look good *before* Sunday's debacle (a couple of weeks ago I posted them at the bottom of page three of this thread) and now they look awful.

A first thing I'll say is that the samples, as you acknowledge, are tiny. With such scant information as is available it'd be possible to 'prove' all sorts of patently nonsensical theories, such as 'England in general miss often, but Gazza and Merson had perfect England shootout records - so we should only let alcoholics take penalties', etc etc.

An interesting aspect is that, even if black (English) players in truth aren't really worse at penalties, after this the pressure on them is going to be that bit worse, arguably much worse, meaning that history probably will repeat itself, if only for this (rather silly) reason.

A third point, I'm partly joking but only partly, how soon will it be before the first hot take from some well-meaning liberal type that penalty shootouts are inherently racist etc (like Wonderlic, etc etc) and that the only non-discriminatory means of deciding drawn matches would be something fairer such as, say, a length-of-pitch relay race to be run by each team's four fastest players? Spotter's badge for the first poster to find such an opinion.
 
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Haha, well, with 5 posts in 9 years of membership, 4 of them about Euro 2020, I at least could hardly be accused of 'agenda pushing'!

I suppose I saw this site as somewhere I could very occasionally speak a few race-related truths that are uncomfortable to the mainstream.

Examples might be along the lines of, say, 'black English footballers are bad at penalty kicks', or 'the MSM sometimes goes too far in hyping black quarterbacks', or maybe even something like 'I'm always a little embarrassed by the liberal rush to praise black people for very basic acts of decent citizenship', or 'BLM isn't really applicable to the UK'. I'm increasingly surprised by how few places there are nowadays where you can say this kind of stuff.

Hopefully this site is somewhere where this kind of debate is possible from someone who (hopefully politely) disagrees with the more extreme views on here.

Anyway, I'll crawl back under my stone for now, maybe resurface during the Olympics if there are any particularly interesting racial dynamics at play...

I didn't accuse you of "agenda pushing" - on the contrary, I said that you were the victim of media brainwashing just like so many other regular white people these days.

To be clear, I welcome debate - but on a level playing field. I don't accept the idea that whoever's position is more "moderate" automatically gets to claim the moral high ground. There have been debates here where I was the "moderate" and I neither needed nor asked for any "moderate" brownie points, I just stated my case and let people's opinions fall where they may.

Things here can get heated occasionally - we're a group of men with strong opinions. Best advice is to have a thick skin and not take things personally. Welcome to Caste Football.

P.S. BLM isn't applicable to the U.S. either, as it's based on a lie. The idea that police are evil racists going around killing black people for no reason is a myth. Unarmed white people are killed by the police at about the same rate as black people. People just don't realize it because police killings of white people never make the (((news))).
 

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P.S. BLM isn't applicable to the U.S. either, as it's based on a lie. The idea that police are evil racists going around killing black people for no reason is a myth. Unarmed white people are killed by the police at about the same rate as black people. People just don't realize it because police killings of white people never make the (((news))).

just a small note regarding the emphasized portion ... based on number of interactions, Whites are shot and killed at a MUCH higher rate (because blacks interact with police at a much higher rate due to their overall higher crime rates). based on total overall number of deaths, unarmed Whites are also shot and killed at a noticeably higher rate. but you are totally correct regarding the TOTAL myth of innocent blacks being hunted and killed by racist cops.
 

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Fascinating stats on penalties and race by a Vox Day reader:

Your posts about the Euro final and black players not being composed under pressure got me thinking about historical penalty results for England. I went back to the 1996 Euro and compiled the data for their eight shootouts since that tournament.
  • 1996 Euro vs Spain (W)- whites 4/4, blacks N/A
  • 1996 Euro vs Germany (L)- whites 5/6, blacks N/A
  • 1998 WC vs Argentina (L)- whites 3/4, blacks 0/1
  • 2004 Euro vs Portugal (L)- whites 4/5, blacks 1/2
  • 2006 WC vs Portugal (L)- whites 1/4, blacks N/A
  • 2012 Euro vs Italy (L)- whites 2/2, blacks 0/2
  • 2018 WC vs Colombia (W)- whites 3/4, blacks 1/1
  • 2021 Euro vs Italy (L)- whites 2/2, blacks 0/3
Total: whites 24/31 (77%) vs blacks 2/9 (22%)

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2021/07/mailvox-statistics-are-racist.html

Not much of a sample size, but still interesting.

trippier is counted as white here
and a black player has never missed a penalty against england from those stats

i think regardless of who was going to miss on england side italy was going to win, they are more experienced and seem to be more prepared for the penalty shootouts
we got the better outcome because england could have lost with whites missing their penalties
in fact kane missed a penalty just the game before the final, but got a second chance after the rebound
 

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as for southgate, i think that this may be a case where the manager tries to get more protagonism than needed
we already posted in the past about the trend of coaches always standing on the side of the field instead of sitting down, and always making gestures and looking busy, dressed like their are attending a wedding

southgate seems to be one of those coaches, and he seems to do excentric things to get attention
for example he likes to use all available substitutions, and i think on many occasions he subbed the same player 2 times during the same match
 

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...a black player has never missed a penalty against england from those stats...

The article also mentions a high conversion rate in one or more ANC matches.

As I said on page 3 of this thread, and it's only a personal theory, not in any way statistically tested, is that there's a specific problem with 'Black British' takers. There have been loads of (well, some) very good black takers in the EPL over the years, guys like Yaya Toure, Mario Balotelli (for all his many faults, he is quite good at taking penalties, possibly because all the other nonsense that's swirling round his head at any given time is so ridiculous that the pressure of a penalty kick pales in comparison), Yakubu (ex Everton, Portsmouth, etc), Adebayor wasn't bad, I think Thierry Henry also had a reasonably good record.

But there are relatively few good black English penalty takers to speak of, even prolific goalscorers like Andy Cole, Les Ferdinand, Emile Heskey (only joking), Theo Walcott, Raheem Sterling. Jermaine Defoe was below average, even with his stats padded by late career spells in MLS and Scotland. Ian Wright is literally the only really excellent taker I can think of. Maybe Darren Bent wasn't bad?

I do wonder whether there's potentially some element of mollycoddling, some cultural element, that encourages black Britons (especially boys?) to shy away from/to not engage with intellectually or emotionally difficult situations. Who knows.
 

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4 have been arrested for making racial slurs online targeted at the three black players who missed the penalty shots. It’s unreal how protected blacks are. Just goes to show once again how sports mirror society.
 
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4 have been arrested for making racial slurs online targeted at the three black players who missed the penalty shots. It’s unreal how protected blacks are. Just goes to show once again how sports mirror society.

If white players had missed those shots and hooligans were making death threats - not mere slurs like is happening with the black players, but actual death threats against the white players - the government's reaction would be far less. White players who have made mistakes in crucial situations in fact have received death threats and more, and essentially nothing was done against the knuckleheads who made those threats. Bill Buckner, a great baseball player, had his life ruined over one error. Steve Bartman, who wasn't even a player, received thousands of death threats because he tried to catch a foul ball and "messed up" a play that wouldn't even have resulted in an out. But somehow, black players getting called mean names is way worse than any of that.

However, I should add that I have zero sympathy for those four idiots who were arrested. If those black players had made those shots, those four would be the first to worship and slobber all over them. They're DWFs through and through, who go from blind worship to blind hatred and back in the blink of an eye.
 

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4 have been arrested for making racial slurs online targeted at the three black players who missed the penalty shots. It’s unreal how protected blacks are. Just goes to show once again how sports mirror society.

No one needs to worry about getting arrested or charged with anything from something written on the internet -if they know how to play. I know the law well. If anyone wants to know how to handle themselves, contact me here: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/werewolfsboxingforum53765/. I don't write it publicly because I don't want to help our enemies.
 

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I've no idea what the online abuse said, but the police seem to have reached the (unavoidable, once you've seen it) conclusion that the Rashford graffiti, the grafitti which inspired the kneeling (all white) BLM vigil, wasn't racist.

The unfortunate fact is that some foolish people do go over the top in scapegoating players who've messed up in a tournament. Think of the David Beckham effigy. Or, on an incomparibly more serious level, poor old Andres Escobar
 
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a good thing about the england team during this tournament has been the great impact by kane, he was always good but now he's in the best of the world tier and i'm glad that he wasn't one of those that missed his penalty as it would have unfairly diminished the public perception of his tournament
people expect him to move to a club with better chances of winning titles

to me he seems like the most complete forward
i just don't like the fact he has an irish name while playing for england
 

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If white players had missed those shots and hooligans were making death threats - not mere slurs like is happening with the black players, but actual death threats against the white players - the government's reaction would be far less. White players who have made mistakes in crucial situations in fact have received death threats and more, and essentially nothing was done against the knuckleheads who made those threats. Bill Buckner, a great baseball player, had his life ruined over one error. Steve Bartman, who wasn't even a player, received thousands of death threats because he tried to catch a foul ball and "messed up" a play that wouldn't even have resulted in an out. But somehow, black players getting called mean names is way worse than any of that.

However, I should add that I have zero sympathy for those four idiots who were arrested. If those black players had made those shots, those four would be the first to worship and slobber all over them. They're DWFs through and through, who go from blind worship to blind hatred and back in the blink of an eye.
Good post and comparisons. There is a two tier system in western society for Whites and The Other. At the moment, The Other is privileged and advantaged.
 

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a good thing about the england team during this tournament has been the great impact by kane, he was always good but now he's in the best of the world tier and i'm glad that he wasn't one of those that missed his penalty as it would have unfairly diminished the public perception of his tournament
people expect him to move to a club with better chances of winning titles

to me he seems like the most complete forward
i just don't like the fact he has an irish name while playing for england

Kane was poor in the final, though it wasn't entirely his fault as his midfield were completely outclassed by the Italians. I think he's overrated in general. As for his name, the people of the British Isles are so intermixed it doesn't matter to me. What I don't like is when people who haven't lived in England, Ireland, or wherever, play for that nation. I hated the English-accented Irish Republic team of the 1990s even if they did have Irish ancestors.
 

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Kane was poor in the final, though it wasn't entirely his fault as his midfield were completely outclassed by the Italians. I think he's overrated in general. As for his name, the people of the British Isles are so intermixed it doesn't matter to me. What I don't like is when people who haven't lived in England, Ireland, or wherever, play for that nation. I hated the English-accented Irish Republic team of the 1990s even if they did have Irish ancestors.

yes, that's because england stopped playing after their goal, so at the 2nd minute of the game, they thought it was going to be enough to win
good english players are always somewhat overrated
 

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So
If they had received abuse which didn't mention race, would that have made it okay? How about if white players had received abuse? Would that have been fine? Why is abuse only an issue when it's "rayciss"? And who gets to define what is and isn't racist? The leftists, whose definition of "racist" is "anyone who disagrees with me"?

I doubt there was any actual "rayciss" abuse. What probably happened was a bunch of DWF English football hooligans made abusive but non race-related online comments about the players who missed their shots, and the black players turned it into a racism thing, when none actually existed. Do you really think those DWF hooligans wouldn't have made abusive and hateful comments to white players who missed? If anything, it would have been even worse.

You're falling for the (((media))) propaganda and the myth of perpetual black victimhood. It's similar to the situations where a leftist makes hateful and violent comments about conservatives, then the liberal media reports that the leftist has received "death threats," and suddenly the perpetrator who started the whole mess gets to play the victim, while the real victims get the blame.

Also, if you have "no problem" with England's team being full of non-whites, then, and I mean this in the politest possible manner, perhaps this isn't the site for you. Europe is the indigenous homeland of the white race, and European teams should be white, just like African teams should be black and Asian teams should be Asian. espn.com or blackathlete.com may be more to your liking.
So strange if he has no problem with blacks why is he on this site
 

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4 have been arrested for making racial slurs online targeted at the three black players who missed the penalty shots. It’s unreal how protected blacks are. Just goes to show once again how sports mirror society.
Absolutely farcical disgusting
 

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If users on this site are fine with blacks being in overwhelming numbers in European nationl teams, then perhaps it's best to quit this site now instead of seeing it turned into another civic nat circlejerk.
 
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If users on this site are fine with blacks being in overwhelming numbers in European national teams, then perhaps it's best to quit this site now instead of seeing it turned into another civic nat circlejerk.

So far, this thread has included:

- A poster saying he has no problem with England's "national" team being majority black/non-white, and that poster being defended by the mods

- Another poster grousing about players with "Irish sounding" names playing for England

Apparently, WHITE Irish "sounding" people playing for England is a bigger issue than black Africans playing for England on a site that claims to be pro-white.
 

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So far, this thread has included:

- A poster saying he has no problem with England's "national" team being majority black/non-white, and that poster being defended by the mods

- Another poster grousing about players with "Irish sounding" names playing for England

Apparently, WHITE Irish "sounding" people playing for England is a bigger issue than black Africans playing for England on a site that claims to be pro-white.
It's last thing i expected from this site before i joined, Germany has few black players that media hype ups non stop ,but truth is they'll never be German neither those turk leeches. Imagine if i started praising those savages and at same time start attacking Germany players with polish descent. How repulsive it'll look ffs.
 

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It's last thing i expected from this site before i joined, Germany has few black players that media hype ups non stop ,but truth is they'll never be German neither those turk leeches. Imagine if i started praising those savages and at same time start attacking Germany players with polish descent. How repulsive it'll look ffs.

I've had to edit a number of your posts to delete racial slurs. Each time I've done that I've (privately) asked you not to write any more racial slurs, but you keep on doing it. It's obvious that you're here because you hate Blacks a lot more than you support Whites. You're also semi-literate and pretty stupid, as your "reasoning" in the above posts illustrates. But you are right that this isn't the site for you. Buh-bye. And btw, it's interesting that the only IP address you've used since signing up is located in Pakistan. Doesn't conclusively prove you live in Pakistan, but you probably do.

And then there's Dwight Mansburden, another newbie who disappears for years at a time only to resurface to lecture another newbie and advise him that this isn't the site for him. The word "chutzpah" comes to mind.

It's clear that some posters, both new and not-so-new, either don't read the posting guidelines, or they just ignore them. So let's review them. They're found at the top of the homepage and are titled "Keep Posts Productive." They were written in 2005 and have remained unchanged since then. The title "Keep Posts Productive" reflects the spirit of Caste Football, or at least what it aspires to be. Note in particular the paragraph I've emphasized in bold:

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And to those written rules a couple of unwritten ones have been added, primarily that White athletes are not to be attacked for the way they dress or talk, or for what their political views are perceived to be, or "should be," except in egregious cases. Johnny Manziel comes to mind along with a few openly far-left athletes. We cheer for them as athletes, we don't expect them to be Philosopher Kings.

The vast majority of posters have always operated within these guidelines and have been a credit to the site. But there's always been a small minority who take it upon themselves to test the guidelines, to stretch and push them to see how much they can get away with. Others decide they don't like the way the site is administered and want things done their way. These are the ones I clash with at times.

Let me explain something: This is my site, my vision. I've moderated it the same way for almost 17 years now and I'm not about to change. If you don't like it here, don't post here, it ain't complicated. The idea that Caste Football is somehow "suffering" because mindless haters of Blacks and Jews can't curse and hurl around racial epithets left and right is exactly backwards. If I could go back and do anything differently, I would have dealt with those who don't understand what the site is about more strongly from the beginning. People like this clown (or troll) from Pakistan taint and drag down everything they touch. It's a primary reason why a pro-White movement can't gain traction and never will -- because these losers (and a certain amount of them undoubtedly are professional trolls) wittingly or unwittingly validate every negative stereotype about racially conscious Whites and make it easy for the media to smear and marginalize those opposed to the rapid racial makeover of the U.S. and all Western countries along with our traditional values and ways of life.

Caste Football is the only site or group that has actually pointed out, discussed, and raised awareness of the long-standing discrimination that exists against White athletes and how the media reinforces negative attitudes toward them. It can't be measured of course, but there's no question in my mind that there's significantly less overt anti-White stereotyping in the media than there used to be along with at least some progress in raising awareness among DWFs. Sadly, many of the great posters we've had here over the years lacked the stamina and dedication to continue to post, but we still have great posters, and the progress that has been made was and is because of them. It's those posters who have done research, made comparisons, cited evidence, who shared their knowledge and wisdom, who made Caste Football a great site. On the other hand, the mindless haters have done nothing but scare away potential posters while making it easy for Caste Football to be negatively labeled.

So good riddance to those who don't agree with the purpose and style of Caste Football. You're not wanted here and I don't want to be associated with you, even indirectly. I happen to be a real person, not an anonymous username. Go start your own free-for-all forum. First of all, no one will, because it involves a lot of work rather than spending one's time constantly moaning and bitching. And secondly, even if one was started and it began to catch on, the identity of the person or persons behind it would become public, and every single one of the "keyboard tough guys" would be terrified if it did.

I'm going to spend the rest of my days doing exactly what I want to do, within the constraints of this highly over-regulated society of course. How many more days Caste Football has is unknown but those who respect my vision for this site are always welcome, even if we don't always agree. What's important is handling those occasions like the civilized White gentlemen (and occasional lady) we should all try to be.
 
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So far, this thread has included:

- A poster saying he has no problem with England's "national" team being majority black/non-white, and that poster being defended by the mods

- Another poster grousing about players with "Irish sounding" names playing for England

Apparently, WHITE Irish "sounding" people playing for England is a bigger issue than black Africans playing for England on a site that claims to be pro-white.

kane is used as an example of how immigration made the english team:

Seven of #England's starting XI against #Denmark in the #Euro2020 semi final have parents or grandparents born overseas. And if you trace the families of almost all the #ThreeLions squad back, you'll find migration stories

https://twitter.com/MigrationUK/status/1412839872784707584
 
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