Colonel_Reb
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Hey backrow, where's your Week 18 thread?
C Darwin said:I think it might be better if the Colts loose. If the Colts won, Tony Dungy would then become the "prototype" for head coaches. I can hear the media crying for more coaches like the SB champ Dungy.
It's hard to deny that wouldn't happen. I understand Dungy plays whites more than most white coaches, I just don't want to hear the overflow of Dungy worship that would inevitably follow.
devans said:I prefer Dungy to Mike Holmgren. Dungy gives white players a chance at positions normally closed to them. Who else in the NFL would have had the balls to bring Proehl back at age 38, or whatever he is?
What if he is considered the prototype NFL head coach. If we has more like Dungy we would have more white players getting to touch the ball.
Don Wassall said:devans said:I prefer Dungy to Mike Holmgren. Dungy gives white players a chance at positions normally closed to them. Who else in the NFL would have had the balls to bring Proehl back at age 38, or whatever he is? What if he is considered the prototype NFL head coach. If we has more like Dungy we would have more white players getting to touch the ball.
I wonder how much control over player personnel Dungy actually has. The pattern of the Colts, of being one of the least black teams, was established years before Dungy became the head coach. Player personnel decisions would seem to come more from the GM and ownership, maybe even some assistant coaches such as long-time Offensive Coordinator Tom Moore, than from Dungy. Colts team president Bill Polian was the GM of the Bills when they went to four straight Super Bowls and had the most whites of any team in the league during that time. Dungy doesn't impress me as having a great coaching or strategical mind. He appears to be more of a "feel-good" coach that the black players will play hard for as white players play hard for any coach.
And not to just single out Dungy. Head coaches are often given way too much credit for personnel decisions. Holmgren does have such power as he is also the Seahawk's general manager, but the trend in the NFL has been to move away from giving head coaches so much power.<!-- Message ''"" -->
Don Wassall said:devans said:I prefer Dungy to Mike Holmgren. Dungy gives white players a chance at positions normally closed to them. Who else in the NFL would have had the balls to bring Proehl back at age 38, or whatever he is? What if he is considered the prototype NFL head coach. If we has more like Dungy we would have more white players getting to touch the ball.
I wonder how much control over player personnel Dungy actually has. The pattern of the Colts, of being one of the least black teams, was established years before Dungy became the head coach. Player personnel decisions would seem to come more from the GM and ownership, maybe even some assistant coaches such as long-time Offensive Coordinator Tom Moore, than from Dungy. Colts team president Bill Polian was the GM of the Bills when they went to four straight Super Bowls and had the most whites of any team in the league during that time. Dungy doesn't impress me as having a great coaching or strategical mind. He appears to be more of a "feel-good" coach that the black players will play hard for as white players play hard for any coach.
And not to just single out Dungy. Head coaches are often given way too much credit for personnel decisions. Holmgren does have such power as he is also the Seahawk's general manager, but the trend in the NFL has been to move away from giving head coaches so much power.<!-- Message ''"" -->
devans said:I still prefer Dungy to Holmgren though. I saw Holmgren amlost physically attack Bill Schroeder once after he was penalised in a special teams play. He looked like he was going to explode. I think Schroeder was cut that year and brought back some time later.
Poacher said:I found it disconcerting to say the least that three of the NFLs black coaches (Lovie Smith, Herm Edwards and Tony Dungy) are so buddy-buddy all the time. WTF? To me that kind of "friendship," being so obviously racially motivated, raises serious credibility/ integrity issues with the on-field product for these two teams.
I've always wondered about so many players, primarily black, hanging out together during the off-season. I mean really doesn't anyone see an issue here? God knows what kind of team secrets they are giving away to each other or what kind of deals they are making with each other. I don't like to think about it but odds are that what we are seeing on the field is in large part a fraud, a dishonest , insulting fraud.
yeah, Trent ended the first half 2 for 7 for 9 yards. the announcers couldn't wait to repeatedly blast him, saying things like "He's not seeing the field well today" blah blah blah.The NBC crew was harsh on Trent Green, also. They were actually wondering if he should be yanked at halftime. I supposed they wanted him to catch the ball after he threw it. The receivers dropped four balls in the first half.
Jimmy Chitwood said:they must have "forgotten" to mention, that if his superior afaletes hadn't dropped more balls than a one-handed juggler he would have been 6 for 7 in the first half... and even though i'm no mathematician, that seems like a pretty high percentage.
I don't mind Dungy. He is well spoken and seems to play the best players. Dungy is known as a defensive "genuis"C Darwin said:I think it might be better if the Colts loose. If the Colts won, Tony
Dungy would then become the "prototype" for head coaches. I can
hear the media crying for more coaches like the SB champ Dungy.