Chuck v Rampage

[Freedom]

Will that be enough to caste the sport?

 

[Zrazys]

The great thing about MMA is that a fighter can lose almost anytime. If they had more Chuck/Rampage fights, Chuck(if he rally wanted it) would have his share of wins over Rampage. That probably won't happen.

Chuck, I think, could have beaten Rampage if he would have used more kicks, clinches and, takedowns. He, along with many other Americans, seems to equate toughness with punching. I've seen a number of youtube street fight videos and, when one fighter would use grappling to gain an advantage, onlookers voiced their displeasure.
At one point in the fight, Rampage showed his displeasure with Chucks lack of aggressiveness. Chuck seemed to take that to heart and, went in with a more aggressive approach with his strikes. That may have been his problem
This is Mixed Martial Arts, where a fighter has many options available. If you want punching only, go watch boxing.
Rampage will have a tougher time keeping his title. Shogun Rua, Dan Henderson and, many others will be coming for Rampage. I don't think they'll make the same mistake as Chuck.Edited by: Zrazys

 

[White Shogun]

Zrazys,
I agree with you that any fighter can lose at any time. We've seen that time and again this year, that's for sure.

Rampage wasn't going to pursue Chuck and get KO'd. That's how Chuck has beaten all of his recent opponents, including Couture and Babalu. Despite having some wrestling background, Chuck doesn't seem to like to go for the takedown or ground and pound, and frankly, so far he hasn't had to. I don't know if Chuck is older or what, but if you watch the first fight between Chuck and Rampage, Chuck took way more, and gave out a lot more, punishment than he did in this one. But Jackson is a good fighter in his own right; Chuck didn't lose to a scrub.

I just wonder what the UFC will do with him now. They still haven't given Rich Franklin a shot at Anderson Silva, and Franklin is now going to fight Yushin Okami. I wonder if they will give Chuck a warm fight in an eliminator style match up, or if he is going to be relegated to fighting up and comers for a few fights before he gets another shot.

 

[white is right]

It's apparent Chuck has declined. He gave Rampage a good fight in their first go. He's had a good run.

I'm not too sure about that. He got clipped with a temple type shot(shot to his unguarded jaw). I'm not sure if Rampage has his number or got lucky. The fight was over before it really began. I know that Lidell was having problems gauging his punching distance with Rampage. Walking into the ring I was near certain it would be a quick night the other way Rampage looked more unsure of himself than any recent fighter in a big stakes fight.

 

[White Shogun]

Yup, he caught Chuck flush on the jaw with a hard right, while Chuck was backing out. Hard to stay on your feet after that. Chuck wasn't KO'd at that point, he actually fell back to the mat conscious and alert. But Jackson jumped on him and KO'd him with the next shot. It looked like Chuck had recovered and was pissed off, trying to get up, right when McCarthy stopped the fight. I'm not saying the fight was stopped early, because at one point Chuck actually lost consciousness. But it would have been interesting to see what happened if Chuck could have regained his feet. He always seemed to get angry after being tagged...

 

[Zrazys]

Chuck's trainer said on a Sherdog interview that Chuck made a risky move by going for the body from the outside. He saw an opening, but it was too risky.

He said that they have discussed that in training and, that going to the body is only what one must do from the inside, after a flurry of jabs and, straights, then in, and back out.

Here is the link: http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1176

 

[Guest]

In a couple years we'll know for sure. It's highly likely Chuck had a torn quad last nite.

 

[JD074]

Yeah, when I saw the highlight on ESPN, I was like, "Why did he go to the body?!" Like I wrote in the other thread, he needs to be a significantly better striker than his opponent. Part of being a striker is not making mistakes like this, not getting countered, etc. He made a mental mistake and it cost him the fight.Jackson has been the one guy in the last eight fights who was able to capitalize on a mistake like this one. Maybe it's true that MMA fighters need to work on their boxing skills, regardless of differences in footwork.
Edited by: JD074

 

[white is right]

Yeah, when I saw the highlight on ESPN, I was like, "Why did he go to the body?!" Like I wrote in the other thread, he needs to be a significantly better striker than his opponent. Part of being a striker is not making mistakes like this, not getting countered, etc. He made a mental mistake and it cost him the fight.Jackson has been the one guy in the last eight fights who was able to capitalize on a mistake like this one. Maybe it's true that MMA fighters need to work on their boxing skills, regardless of differences in footwork.

That is classic mistake in boxing. I think Razor Ruddock did this against Lennox Lewis and Lewis came over the top with a huge right to his temple and basically finished with that shot.

 

[michiganblkman]

Even if Chuck loses to Rampage, he should be considered one of the greatest NHB fighter of all time.

I still stand by this post that I made a few weeks ago.

 

[White Shogun]

Even if Chuck loses to Rampage, he should be considered one of the greatest NHB fighter of all time.

I still stand by this post that I made a few weeks ago.

I agree with you, MBM. I don't think losing to Rampage is the same as losing to say, Matt Serra for example, by no means. Chuck is a great fighter and losing to Rampage doesn't mean he is done for good, either. Lots of people who watch MMA think a guy is the greatest fighter ever til he loses, then suddenly he is washed up or never-was. The truth is it's usually neither, just as it is in this case.