Caste matchups for the bowls

[dwid]

oh man I am so pissed off. I watched this game at a bar in Louisiana...LSU fans who supposely hate Nick Saban rooting at the top of their lungs for Alabama because "you gotta root for the sec" Yelling "ROLL TIDE" clapping at every thing Bama did, even small stuff like 3 yards rushing.

Inexperienced quarterback comes in for Texas and still keeps the game close until the last few minutes, even with all the help that the refs gave Alabama, questionable calls against Texas, questionable non calls for Alabama like PI.

F**K the SEC. Boise St should have a legitimate claim to being number 1, undefeated.

I guess on a positive note, Shipley had a good game, man were those dwfs pissed when he kept catching passes, since they were being obnoxious I made sure to yell and clap every time he caught a pass saying "I guess Alabama's defense just isnt athletic enough to stop him"Edited by: dwid

 

[Thrashen]

Other than Shipley's 10 catches for 122 yards and two TDs, this game was boring as hell. The 1st and 2nd quarter were like taking a sleeping pill.

"Shipley the slot WR," yeah, right. His only similarity to Welker is race, superior productivity, and flying past unaffletic DBs. Their body types, speed, and on-field functionality are polar opposites. The rest of Texas' WRs are typical hands-of-stone scrubs. I wonder if Herbstreit and Mussburger think they're #1 and #2 WRs at the NFL level. Judging by their inability to catch, run routes, and their lack of speed, that would actually make some sense.

Shipley's body type is more similar to Santonio Holmes. Accept Jordan has more speed, is more athletic, can actually catch, make plays, and isnt a wimpy wanna-be thug.

If this guy is a #3 WR, then what white WR could possibly break through the system?

 

[guest301]

how about the "proud son" and the "proud father" that the announcers blessed us with? they were referring, of course, to Ingram and his felonious father who's currently in the Big House.
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<div>then they had the audacity to speak of how great an example it is for all the rest of us ... really?

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<div>Yeah, the imprisoned father was treated almost as a heroic figure.  Sickening.</div>
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<div>And I'm more than tired of the sadistic Gatorade bath for the victorious coach ritual, but it won't end until some poor bastard has a heart attack from the shock of the ice cold liquid on his system.  </div>

I hope I am remembering this right, wasn't there some famous old NFL and college coach in California who died of pneumonia after being doused with that stupid, disrespectful and dangerous ice cold Gatorade bath? I think it was George Allen but I remember we had a thread on it a few years ago. I hate this tradition and wish it would disappear or be replaced with a simple handshake, hugs and carrying the coach off the field on your shoulders. I remember Coach Tom Landry(favorite all time) being carried off the field after a Super bowl victory and couldn't imagine him being doused on the head with Gatorade in the hat, suit and tie he always wore.Edited by: guest301

 

[jaxvid]

If I were a coach I would let the players know that a suspension would follow for any players dumping gatorade on me. It's a stupid habit and no matter the situation it looks uncomfortable for the coach, getting doused with sticky cold fluid at the end of a football game usually in cold weather. I even felt a little (no not really) for Saban in his lilly white outfit getting dunked.

 

[WASP]

-Edited by: WASP

 

[Thousand Okie]

My wife taped the Texas-Alabama football game for me and I just now had a chance to watch it, which means, of course, that I could fast forward through all the timeouts and commercials. I honestly don't know how anyone sits through a televised football game today. I must compliment everyone on this thread because I read all the comments here before I watched the game. Nearly every comment was perceptive, honest, and accurate. I have a question for everyone: Why do you think that blacks have such bad hands? One of my old football coaches had a saying when a receiver dropped a pass, "It hit him in a bad place--his hands." Until the tenth grade in high school (we had three year schools) and my first season of interscholastic football, I didn't realize that ironic line applied particularly to blacks. I got an education in our first game, a non-league contest with the Jordan Bulldogs. David Starr Jordan High School is on 103rd Street and immediately west of Alemeda Blvd. in the heart of Watts in South Central Los Angeles. Back then, the very early 60s, Jordan was virtually 100% black--and not just black but blue-black, as we used to describe the purebreds, unlike the many cafe-au-lait types who went to uptown Jefferson High, also virtually 100% black. Watts in those days . . . well, we almost could have been in the Belgian Congo. There is an entire story about our arrival and departure as well as the game itself but for this thread I shall confine my comments to black hands. We got ahead 20-0 and the coach pulled the first string off the field. Although I had scored one of our touchdowns, I was still hungry for more football and only grudingly accepted that it was good for the second string to get game time. Then a Jordan receiver sprinted past one of our second-string defensive backs and was a good ten yards in the clear. I uttered an audible, "Oh, sh--!" Our head coach was nearby and instantaneously said, "Don't worry, Mac. He'll drop it." And that's exactly what happened. The ball was well thrown and arched right into the receiver's hands. I couldn't believe it. Ever since that day I've seen blacks drop passes and fumble the football at a rate far, far greater than whites. I remember when a dropped pass or a fumble in a football game was thought of as an egregious error and often considered a turning point in a game. Now, with so many blacks playing, dropped passes are part of nearly every series and fumbles part of nearly every quarter. I've observed the greatly disproportionate number of black players with terrible hands--even though they all use gloves now (do you suppose it was by accident that the use of gloves in football was approved!)--ever since that day on the Jordan football field. Any theories why?

 

[Deadlift]

Because the football isn't a banana or watermelon or a can of grape soda.. or a bucket of KFC!

 

[Don Wassall]

Many blacks don't have good hand-eye coordination. They are poor at not only receiving objects, but throwing them accurately as well. Whites are disproportionately represented in free throw, field goal and three-point accuracy in basketball, pitching in baseball, and quarterbacking in football. It's also a major factor whyblacks are, let's face it, terrible in sports like golf, tennis, hockey and just about any other sport where hand-eye coordination is important in mastering the basics of the sport.
Many blacks also are deficientwhen it comes tobalance.Notice how often ball carriers slip and fall in football without being touched.

Straight line speed over short distances is the only athletic advantage on average that black athletes have over white ones.

 

[Westside]

Deadlift you can add a white girl's ass to your list. Thousand Okie, I know your school very well. I lived near Century Blvd and Normandie Ave. Oh, and welcome to CF!!!

Regarding the Gatorade bath, the Coach should just tell the team not to do it. Simple.

 

[bigunreal]

One thing I noticed early on, in regards to the Gatorade bath ritual, is that only black players seem to be allowed to particpate. I think that the coaches would react quite differenly if mere "white boys" caused them such discomfort, instead of magnificent affletes.

I agree that the entire thing is ridiculous.

 

[Borussia]

Alabama-Texas turned out to be interesting in illustrating what hacks and scum the media truly are. Announcers were doing their best to go with whatever human interest story they could depending on what was transpiring on the field.
They like to shape the interpretation of the game and its personalities to the millions of viewing DWFs. The Ingram love fest is annoying as hell.
I'm sick of this story...so his Mom and some family drive from Michigan for every home game. His former NFL playing dad is in jail...yes, we know all this. Are we supposed to know fall in love with the great and future HOF Mark Ingram because of these amazing 'challenges'??

Shipley was the hero to root for in this game and he did not disappoint. We can only fathom how many catches this man would have had if McCoy did not get injured.
Texas fought back valiantly, yet the better overall team won. If McCoy didn't get injured? Well, we'll never now but we can speculate.

Saban is such a used car salesman. It's funny seeing the Bama faithful worship this guy. Dolphin fans know all too well what he's about.
Saban is a great college recruiter of black players, puts out a good team on the field and is adept at the coach speak of 'sacrifice', and 'hard work' and all that. Other then this, he's not a real tactical or strategic genius.
Did you see how PO'd Saban got after the gatorade bath? That was funny.

Gilbert will be a fine player for Texas. And we have to hope McCoy's shoulder will be ok because he will have an NFL future. McCoy is a class act and seems sincere with his beliefs unlike the baby boy Tebow.
As for the game, how many dropped balls did Texas have? Wow!
Penalties? Too many to give yourself a chance to win.
I thought the refs were calling on Texas beyond the pal. Bama committed two pass interference penalties in the 2nd half that were not called.
And yes, Cody did false start on that first TD.

I think Iowa will be a good team to support next year.

 

[jaxvid]

Thousand Oakie that was a good story. I like it when posters write of their experienced like that. You make a very good point about how it used to be a dropped pass or fumble was a BIG BIG turning point in a game. Now it's something that happens on nearly every possesion. The poor hands of black athletes is incredible. Back in the day it was acknowledged that there were fast black guys but the understanding that they would not be able to catch limited their playability. Now it does not make a difference, they play and play and play despite mistake after mistake after mistake.

 

[WHITE NOISE]

There was a time in our culture and country when one would rather the media not talk about an incarcerated parent out of shame, and generally, the story would be suppressed in the interests of taste.

Fast forward to the Championship game where Mushberger was practically glowing with pride and praise when talking about thief Engram being in prison. Today, the media speaks about malfeasance as if it is a virtue. Come to think of it, with negros, it is.

 

[sport historian]

My wife taped the Texas-Alabama football game for me and I just now had a chance to watch it, which means, of course, that I could fast forward through all the timeouts and commercials.  I honestly don't know how anyone sits through a televised football game today.  I must compliment everyone on this thread because I read all the comments here before I watched the game.  Nearly every comment was perceptive, honest, and accurate.  I have a question for everyone: Why do you think that blacks have such bad hands?  One of my old football coaches had a saying when a receiver dropped a pass, "It hit him in a bad place--his hands."  Until the tenth grade in high school (we had three year schools) and my first season of interscholastic football, I didn't realize that ironic line applied particularly to blacks.  I got an education in our first game, a non-league contest with the Jordan Bulldogs.  David Starr Jordan High School is on 103rd Street and immediately west of Alemeda Blvd. in the heart of Watts in South Central Los Angeles.  Back then, the very early 60s, Jordan was virtually 100% black--and not just black but blue-black, as we used to describe the purebreds, unlike the many cafe-au-lait types who went to uptown Jefferson High, also virtually 100% black.  Watts in those days . . . well, we almost could have been in the Belgian Congo.  There is an entire story about our arrival and departure as well as the game itself but for this thread I shall confine my comments to black hands.  We got ahead 20-0 and the coach pulled the first string off the field.  Although I had scored one of our touchdowns, I was still hungry for more football and only grudingly accepted that it was good for the second string to get game time.  Then a Jordan receiver sprinted past one of our second-string defensive backs and was a good ten yards in the clear.  I uttered an audible, "Oh, sh--!"  Our head coach was nearby and instantaneously said, "Don't worry, Mac.  He'll drop it."  And that's exactly what happened.  The ball was well thrown and arched right into the receiver's hands.  I couldn't believe it.  Ever since that day I've seen blacks drop passes and fumble the football at a rate far, far greater than whites.  I remember when a dropped pass or a fumble in a football game was thought of as an egregious error and often considered a turning point in a game.  Now, with so many blacks playing, dropped passes are part of nearly every series and fumbles part of nearly every quarter.  I've observed the greatly disproportionate number of black players with terrible hands--even though they all use gloves now (do you suppose it was by accident that the use of gloves in football was approved!)--ever since that day on the Jordan football field.  Any theories why? 

Thousand Okie puts into words something I too have noticed in the over 50 years that I have observed football. Yes, it doesn't seem to be as big a negative now as it used to be. Like many other things, it is accepted.

As an old-line Big Orange fan, I can't begin to tell you how many passes I've seen Tennessee wide receivers drop in the last 30-odd years. Notice the drops in this year's Chick-Fila Bowl? On one, the WR was wide open headed for the end zone and the perfectly thrown ball landed right in his hands. While the ball was coming down, I thought to myself, "He'll drop it." Sure enough, he did.

Barry Switzer's Oklahoma backfields in the 70's and 80's were notorious for fumbling. Since they won, it was part of the offense and acceptable.

In a way, the coaches adjusted their strategy to this factor. Since Earl Campbell didn't catch the ball well, Bum Phillips took Earl out on passing situations for the Houston Oilers in the late 70's.

Speaking of gloves, does anybody know the year they were first allowed?

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Interesting stories, Thousand Okie and sport historian! Like nearly every other area of our society, standards have fallen to help downplay the weaknesses of non-whites in sports. I'm not sure when gloves were first allowed, but I'll look and see what I can find out about it.