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Very interesting Don. I had never heard of the Populist Party.
You were right on the money 30 years ago.
I wonder where we will be in another 30 years?
 

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You younguns are likely not aware of how American sports fans were for many years forced to suffer the ubiquitous presence on their TV sets of the pompous, insufferable ass Howard Cosell. He was one of the three announcers in the booth for a long time on Monday Night Football -- though it was entertaining the way Don Meredith would slyly play off him for laughs -- and appeared on countless other media vehicles. Cosell almost single-handedly enhanced Muhammad Ali's stature through his many interviews with him, and was the first sports figure to start calling him by his Muslim name after he changed it from Cassius Clay. Clay/Ali was a widely disliked figure in the America 1.0 of the 1960s, because of his name and religion change, his aggressive self-admiring personality, and because he wouldn't enlist to fight in Vietnam. Cosell was likewise widely disliked for his entire career, but DWFs still had to see his homely face and hear his annoying voice for what seemed forever. Thankfully there's no one like him today.

 

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You younguns are likely not aware of how American sports fans were for many years forced to suffer the ubiquitous presence on their TV sets of the pompous, insufferable ass Howard Cosell. He was one of the three announcers in the booth for a long time on Monday Night Football -- though it was entertaining the way Don Meredith would slyly play off him for laughs -- and appeared on countless other media vehicles. Cosell almost single-handedly enhanced Muhammad Ali's stature through his many interviews with him, and was the first sports figure to start calling him by his Muslim name after he changed it from Cassius Clay. Clay/Ali was a widely disliked figure in the America 1.0 of the 1960s, because of his name and religion change, his aggressive self-admiring personality, and because he wouldn't enlist to fight in Vietnam. Cosell was likewise widely disliked for his entire career, but DWFs still had to see his homely face and hear his annoying voice for what seemed forever. Thankfully there's no one like him today.

Cosell had become a bit of a cartoon character by the late late 70's with his persona portrayed by various level comedians from Billy Crystal to the class clown in the back of the room in school.

I can still pull off a mediocre Cosell but beyond people in my age range the cornball imitation crashes and burns like the Hindenburg as you said he hasn't been relevant for about 40 years around the time he quit covering professional boxing live on the air when Holmes fought Randall Cobb and he openly questioned why professional boxing existed on national tv.
 

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I didn't watch many Woody Allen movies but one I did like and found quite funny was Bananas (1971) in which Cosell made a cameo. Also remember this scene from Sleepers (1973) which takes place 200 years in the future and was on the mark satirizing Howard Cosell and his nauseating impact on society at the time:

 

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Best Cosell imitation is from the 80s movie "Better Off Dead" by the Asian guy. And Ali for all his faults was totally correct about Vietnam and race mixing.
 

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Best Cosell imitation is from the 80s movie "Better Off Dead" by the Asian guy. And Ali for all his faults was totally correct about Vietnam and race mixing.
Agree with that, I was writing about how he was viewed in the '60s. Over time Ali developed into almost a saint, much like another very controversial and divisive figure from the 1960s, Martin Luther King.
 

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I have had the misfortune of trying to get Cossell's autograph. He was calling the USA VS Cuba boxing matches in Charlotte, N.C. I approached him walking to his seat at ringside and he called the security guards over and they made us leave. The matches hadn't even started. It was 43 years ago and I am still mad about it. Cossell was a much taller man than I thought he was. He walked hunch over, but he still looked like he was 6'2" or better.
 

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Agree with that, I was writing about how he was viewed in the '60s. Over time Ali developed into almost a saint, much like another very controversial and divisive figure from the 1960s, Martin Luther King.
I'd say both "were" developed into secular saints. My WAG going forward few people in a few decades will know who either were, they have their use in the degenerate Liberal/Conservative debate but that is winding down IMO.
 

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I have had the misfortune of trying to get Cossell's autograph. He was calling the USA VS Cuba boxing matches in Charlotte, N.C. I approached him walking to his seat at ringside and he called the security guards over and they made us leave. The matches hadn't even started. It was 43 years ago and I am still mad about it. Cossell was a much taller man than I thought he was. He walked hunch over, but he still looked like he was 6'2" or better.
I attended a Pirates game in Three Rivers Stadium that was nationally televised circa late '70s early '80s. Afterwards, as the fans were walking en masse down the diagonal ramps that led to ground level, we spotted Cosell a level below us, also surprisingly using the public ramps to make his exit. The fans were mostly well lubricated and there were lots of fairly good-natured insults loudly directed his way. And yeah, I remember how unexpectedly tall he seemed.
 
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I first noticed Howard Cosell in the 60s when he wrote a monthly feature in Sport Magazine on famous sporting events. It was pretty good, neutral in fact.

I heard him on the radio doing the 1964 Clay-Liston fight in which Liston quit on his stool after Round 6. Cosell shouted, "HE's NOT COMING OUT! SONNY LISTON IS NOT COMING OUT!"

I first remember him on TV doing highlights of late 60s World Series games for ABC news. Cosell wasn't a household name until fall 1970 when ABC Monday Night Football became a big hit. There wasn't a national Pro and Anti-Cosell thing until he was on Monday Night Football.

Howard Cosell's self-proclaimed trademark was, "I tell it like it is." A big feature was how Don Meredith would slap Cosell down when he said something stupid, which was a frequent occurrence.

I remember when Ali briefly retired in 1979 after winning the rematch with Leon Spinks. I read that Ali was going into doing commercials big time but the corporate sponsors had to back off. Why? It was found Ali had a sky-high NEGATIVE rating among the general public despite being worshipped by the Establishment Media. Opinion Makers, etc.

I specifically recall Toyota was about to sign Ali for Toyota ads but had to cancel. This might account for Ali deciding to fight Larry Holmes for big money in 1980 although he had nothing left.

The result was Ali did TV ads aimed at the black audience. Remember those Roach Spray commercials Ali did? Black folks were the market for Roach Spray.

Howard Cosell was Sugar Ray Leonard's main media booster. This actually made Leonard unpopular to people who loathed Cosell. The anti-Cosell people rooted for Sugar Ray Leonard to get beat.
 

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In honor of MLK Day, just wanted to add some stuff my dad told me. Young people don't realize just how unpopular MLK was back in the 60s. He was widely (and correctly) seen as a divisive, agitating figure rather than the "great uniter" he's worshipped as today. Even some blacks thought MLK was a lot more trouble than he was worth and that he would make things worse for them.
 

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In honor of MLK Day, just wanted to add some stuff my dad told me. Young people don't realize just how unpopular MLK was back in the 60s. He was widely (and correctly) seen as a divisive, agitating figure rather than the "great uniter" he's worshipped as today. Even some blacks thought MLK was a lot more trouble than he was worth and that he would make things worse for them.
My dad simply referred to him as a “rabble rouser.”
 

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Ali's famous line about Vietnam and the draft could be used to inspire a modern-day version should the Soros/Biden administration try to send young conservative white men off to die in a globalist war: "Ain't no Russian ever called me deplorable."
 

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I was told the script with MLK was he showed up somewhere gave the peace and love speech and then when he left the riots would be uncorked, so not every American was fooled by that BS I guess.
 

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Ali's famous line about Vietnam and the draft could be used to inspire a modern-day version should the Soros/Biden administration try to send young conservative white men off to die in a globalist war: "Ain't no Russian ever called me deplorable."
Or equally relevant, “Ain’t no Palestinian ever called me goyim”.

Regarding Cosell, I’m guessing this fella didn’t celebrate Christmas…
 

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^ I went on the authors X feed. Full of fools critical of him for being too hard on Tomlin.
 

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Thanks but I'm no hero, just someone who for a long time tried to awaken folks to what was going on while offering solutions and ways for them to get involved. That to me is the American Way.

I think you certainly deserve some credit. After reading that article you saw it all coming. To be able to see it all coming and essentially foretell the future and the current dystopia in which we live. Did you think it was going to get so bad so fast? The Great Replacement seems to have really picked up steam in the past 15 years. I certainly noticed it growing up in the 90s and seeing a slow burn through the early to mid 2000s. Really seems to have picked up steam around 2010 and then 2015 went into overdrive to overwhelm.
 
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