I agree, these pictures clearly don't look like the same guy. Something is going on. Can you clear up the thinking on this one? Two different guys, both without legs. One apparently a military vet. What exactly do you think happened. Was someone actually injured? And then switched? I don't understand the order of events related to these two guys.
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I agree, these pictures clearly don't look like the same guy. Something is going on. Can you clear up the thinking on this one? Two different guys, both without legs. One apparently a military vet. What exactly do you think happened. Was someone actually injured? And then switched? I don't understand the order of events related to these two guys.
I don't get this as a reason for such a staged event. Chechen affairs are of little importance to Russia right now and anyway I have not seen any shift in Russian support for the opposite side of the US in Syria.
Chechen affairs don't raise a blip on the radar of amerikan sheeple.
This event was a knife in the heart of the immigration amnesty and I cannot under any circumstances see how one single highly placed Repub or Demo could have signed off on this action. That makes no sense. Why not patsy some right wing nut on Tax day and further the anti-white/gun control debate.
Conspiracy? Why?
Odd question since by definition if more than one person was involved it was a "conspiracy." I get from your post that you again believe what the government and corporate media are telling us is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
The U.S. government supports the Chechnian rebels, so what possible reason would there be for the brothers to strike out like they allegedly did?
I highly doubt this was "a knife in the heart of the immigration amnesty." What was striking was the all-out police state reaction, which wasn't criticized at all by the corporate media. Do you think the law enforcement response was proportional?
You're a pretty smart guy, I think you can pick up on the way I was using the word "conspiracy" since we have been hashing over it for a week now.
And as far as agreeing with the government version what I am asking is questions intended to try and understand an alternate version. It's okay to ask questions isn't it? Or is the mere act of trying to understand what alternate theories are about proof that I am a naive pro-government supporter?
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I don't know what you mean by "two different guys". In the link that I posted above, Dr Monteith said that the man whose legs were supposedly blown off in Boston was an actor, and all the other people with medical experience that I have seen commenting on him also say that it is not a realistic scenario, which is what I said when I saw him in his wheel chair instead of a gurney, no blood, facial color and expression normal, and while I have a first responder certification I have never actually used it so I'm certainly not one the medical experts, but I think I'm a pretty good BS detector. I detected the official 911 story as being BS right then and there on day one due to a couple of giveaways, and many many more were to follow. But you don't really have to be a good BS detector to know when a politician is lying. If its lips are moving just assume that it is lying until proven otherwise. Likewise the friendly talking head on your tv set. Anyway, my position on the Boston affair is the same as Dr Monteith's, namely, "I don’t know what happened. But I know that they’re lying to us.". Likewise Sandy Hoax.
Here's the link again:http://fauxcapitalist.com/2013/05/1...s-i-believe-that-this-young-man-was-an-actor/
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I guess we'll have to see how this plays out but I find it strange that the stories of Syria using chemical weapons came out right after the bombing. Of course, later it turns out that it seems it was the US backed rebels (many of whom are Al-Qaeda) whom used the chemical weapons.
This is just the theory of one former FBI contractor. It could be wrong but there is more to the elites agenda than gun control and a new war with Syria (if Russia allows it) would certainly make them very rich and happy.
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THis is pretty much all any of us can really say at this point. We have no idea what actually happened, but its obvious that the mainstream media is ********!ng us. Theres definitely something foul going on, but we just dont know for sure. THats an uncomfortable position to be in. Its much more comfortable to just tell yourself that it can not be as bad as the "conspiracy" nuts make it out to be. :tinfoil3:
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imagine if you put in half the effort on supporting white athletes as you do disputing national tragedy's
imagine if you put in half the effort on supporting white athletes as you do disputing national tragedy's
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To each his own. In werewolf's defense, he is of the opinion that it is all intertwined as a part of the overall Cultural Marxist agenda, and he's simply attacking from a different end. Besides that, boxing is more of his specialty and he is a staunch supporter of white boxers pretty much every day.
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These phony "national tragedies" are engineered by the same Vampires, and run cover by the same Vampire mass media and Vampire politicians, that are screwing white athletes and the white race and western civilization, and in fact everyone and everything on the whole planet.
You don't read your own links? You posted a link saying the guy in the picture that was circulated was an actor. But the guy that was supposed to be in that picture became a celebrity in Boston, showing up at sporting events and etc. However that guy looks significantly different then the one in the picture. I think one of your links was a detailed analysis of his hair and face. I AGREE. He looks different. So two different guys.
So what I was wondering, because the obvious questions were not asked at that site, is who was in the picture? An actor, did he have legs? and also what about the guy at the Bruins games? Another actor this one clearly without legs? So is the thinking that there are two different guys, and are they both without legs? Why two actors, why not use the same no legged guy for both the fake picture AND the celebrity status gathering.
I think this is an important point because here we have a person supposedly at the event, who lost his legs, yet at another time it appears to be someone else. This is a big hole in the official story. Unless I am missing some explanation or further information, it seems a good point to your contention.
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Yeah yeah I read about the various speculations about who he really is, but I don't know about that. I'm commenting on the photos of the carnage from the supposed pressure cooker bomb and how it doesn't look real, including the guy in the wheel chair whoever he is or isn't...and then those guys in those uniforms whoever they are and their backpacks which look identical to the shredded one on the ground they told us was the one with the bomb in it...and how did they find these Chechen guys so fast and why do those guys have all those CIA connections and why did they lie to us about them being armed and robbing a store, and how come they have an ISRAELI doctor treating the surviving one and telling us he'll never speak again etc etc.
Y'know, on that phony honey trap Stormfront, that's what they want everyone to stick with, how much they hate schwartzes. Jews hate schwartzes. Just about everyone with common sense and real life experience hates schwartzes, including decent schwartzes. Only the lowest of the low, like Slick Willy Clinton or the Obamamama, loves them. They don't want you to get into it any deeper, though, like ask who really did 911 and what's up with all these false flags that don't bear any scrutiny and don't hold water and got no answers for the questions we ask. That they don't want you to talk about or think about too much.
Y'know, on that phony honey trap Stormfront, that's what they want everyone to stick with, how much they hate schwartzes. Jews hate schwartzes. Just about everyone with common sense and real life experience hates schwartzes, including decent schwartzes. Only the lowest of the low, like Slick Willy Clinton or the Obamamama, loves them. They don't want you to get into it any deeper, though, like ask who really did 911 and what's up with all these false flags that don't bear any scrutiny and don't hold water and got no answers for the questions we ask. That they don't want you to talk about or think about too much.
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So the FBI in the process of interviewing a friend of the elder brother say said friend admitted to being part of the 2011 triple murder along with said elder brother. What's more right after admitting this bombshell said friend pulled out a knife and tried to attack the FBI agents and was promptly shot.
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USSA police state
Researcher Scotty Walker arrested for exposing Sandy Hook truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4vyXiBKUd0
Researcher Scotty Walker arrested for exposing Sandy Hook truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4vyXiBKUd0
Another long touchdown run by Paul Craig Roberts
Why Disinformation Works
Have you ever wondered how the government’s misinformation gains traction?
What I have noticed is that whenever a stunning episode occurs, such as 9/11 or the Boston Marathon bombing, most everyone whether on the right or left goes along with the government’s explanation, because they can hook their agenda to the government’s account.
The leftwing likes the official stories of Muslims creating terrorist mayhem in America, because it proves their blowback theory and satisfies them that the dispossessed and oppressed can fight back against imperialism.
The patriotic rightwing likes the official story, because it proves America is attacked for its goodness or because terrorists were allowed in by immigration authorities and nurtured by welfare, or because the government, which can’t do anything right, ignored plentiful warnings.
Whatever the government says, no matter how problematical, the official story gets its traction from its compatibility with existing predispositions and agendas.
In such a country, truth has no relevance. Only agendas are important.
A person can see this everywhere. I could write volumes illustrating how agenda-driven writers across the spectrum will support the most improbable government stories despite the absence of any evidence simply because the government’s line can be used to support their agendas.
For example, a conservative writer in the June issue of Chronicles uses the government’s story about the alleged Boston Marathon bombers, Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, to argue against immigration, amnesty for illegals, and political asylum for Muslims. He writes: “Even the most high-tech security systems imaginable will inevitably fail as they are overwhelmed by a flood of often hostile and dangerous immigrants.”
The writer accepts all of the improbable government statements as proof that the brothers were guilty. The wounded brother who was unable to respond to the boat owner who discovered him and had to be put on life support somehow managed to write a confession on the inside of the boat.
As soon as the authorities have the brother locked up in a hospital on life support, “unnamed officials” and “authorities who remain anonymous” are planting the story in the media that the suspect is signing written confessions of his guilt while on life support. No one has seen any of these written confessions. But we know that they exist, because the government and media say so.
The conservative writer knows that Dzhokhar is guilty because he is Muslim and a Chechen. Therefore, it does not occur to the writer to wonder about the agenda of the unnamed sources who are busy at work creating belief in the brothers’ guilt. This insures that no juror would dare vote for acquittal and have to explain it to family and friends. Innocent until proven guilty in a court has been thrown out the window. This should disturb the conservative writer, but doesn’t.
The conservative writer sees Chechen ethnicity as an indication of guilt even though the brothers grew up in the US as normal Americans, because Chechens are “engaged in anti-Russian jihad.” But Chechens have no reason for hostility against the US. As evidence indicates, Washington supports the Chechens in their conflict with Russia. By supporting Chechen terrorism, Washington violates all of the laws that it ruthlessly applies to compassionate Americans who give donations to Palestinian charities that Washington alleges are run by Hamas, a Washington-declared terrorist organization.
It doesn’t occur to the conservative writer that something is amiss when martial law
is established over one of America’s main cities and its metropolitan area, 10,000 heavily armed troops are put on the streets with tanks, and citizens are ordered out of their homes with their hands over their heads, all of this just to search for one wounded 19-year old suspect. Instead the writer blames the “surveillance state” on “the inevitable consequences of suicidal liberalism” which has embraced “the oldest sin in the world: rebellion against authority.” The writer is so pleased to use the government’s story line as a way of indulging the conservative’s romance with authority and striking a blow at liberalism that he does not notice that he has lined up against the Founding Fathers who signed the Declaration of Independence and rebelled against authority.
I could just as easily have used a left-wing writer to illustrate the point that improbable explanations are acceptable if they fit with predispositions and can be employed in behalf of an agenda.
Think about it. Do you not think that it is extraordinary that the only investigations we have of such events as 9/11 and the Boston Marathon bombing are private investigations, such as this investigation of the backpacks: http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/05/20/of...questions-about-the-boston-bombing-backpacks/
There was no investigation of 9/11. Indeed, the White House resisted any inquiry at all for one year despite the insistent demands from the 9/11 families. NIST did not investigate anything. NIST simply constructed a computer model that was consistent with the government’s story. The 9/11 Commission simply sat and listened to the government’s explanation and wrote it down. These are not investigations.
The only investigations have come from a physicist who proved that WTC 7 came down at free fall and was thus the result of controlled demolition, from a team of scientists who examined dust from the WTC towers and found nano-thermite, from high-rise architects and structural engineers with decades of experience, and from first responders and firefighters who were in the towers and experienced explosions throughout the towers, even in the sub-basements.
We have reached the point where evidence is no longer required. The government’s statements suffice. Only conspiracy kooks produce real evidence.
In America, government statements have a unique authority. This authority comes from the white hat that the US wore in World War II and in the subsequent Cold War. It was easy to demonize Nazi Germany, Soviet Communism and Maoist China. Even today when Russian publications interview me about the perilous state of civil liberty in the US and Washington’s endless illegal military attacks abroad, I sometimes receive reports that some Russians believe that it was an impostor who was interviewed, not the real Paul Craig Roberts. There are Russians who believe that it was President Reagan who brought freedom to Russia, and as I served in the Reagan administration these Russians associate me with their vision of America as a light unto the world. Some Russians actually believe that Washington’s wars are truly wars of liberation.
The same illusions reign among Chinese dissidents. Chen Guangcheng is the Chinese dissident who sought refuge in the US Embassy in China. Recently he was interviewed by the BBC World Service. Chen Guangcheng believes that the US protects human rights while China suppresses human rights. He complained to the BBC that in China police can arrest citizens and detain them for as long as six months without accounting for their detainment. He thought that the US and UK should publicly protest this violation of due process, a human right. Apparently, Chen Guangcheng is unaware that US citizens are subject to indefinite detention without due process and even to assassination without due process.
The Chinese government allowed Chen Guangcheng safe passage to leave China and live in the US. Chen Guangcheng is so dazzled by his illusions of America as a human rights beacon that it has never occurred to him that the oppressive, human rights-violating Chinese government gave him safe passage, but that Julian Assange, after being given political asylum by Ecuador is still confined to the Ecuadoran embassy in London, because Washington will not allow its UK puppet state to permit his safe passage to Ecuador.
Perhaps Chen Guangcheng and the Chinese and Russian dissidents who are so enamored of the US could gain some needed perspective if they were to read US soldier Terry Holdbrooks’ book about the treatment given to the Guantanamo prisoners. Holdbrooks was there on the scene, part of the process, and this is what he told RT: “The torture and information extraction methods that we used certainly created a great deal of doubt and questions in my mind to whether or not this was my America. But when I thought about what we were doing there and how we go about doing it, it did not seem like the America I signed up to defend. It did not seem like the America I grew up in. And that in itself was a very disillusioning experience.” http://rt.com/news/guantanamo-guard-islam-torture-608/
In a May 17 Wall Street Journal.com article, Peggy Noonan wrote that President Obama has lost his patina of high-mindedness. What did Obama do that brought this loss upon himself? Is it because he sits in the Oval Office approving lists of US citizens to be assassinated without due process of law? Is it because he detains US citizens indefinitely in violation of habeas corpus? Is it because he has kept open the torture prison at Guantanamo? Is it because he continued the war that the neoconservatives started, despite his promise to end it, and started new wars?
Is it because he attacks with drones people in their homes, medical centers, and work places in countries with which the US is not at war? Is it because his corrupt administration spies on American citizens without warrants and without cause?
No. It is none of these reasons. In Noonan’s view these are not offenses for which presidents, even Democratic ones, lose their high-minded patina. Obama can no longer be trusted, because the IRS hassled some conservative political activists.
Noonan is a Republican, and what Obama did wrong was to use the IRS against some Republicans. Apparently, it has not occurred to Noonan that if Obama–or any president–can use the IRS against opponents, he can use Homeland Security and the police state against them. He can use indefinite detention against them. He can use drones against them.
All of these are much more drastic measures. Why isn’t Peggy Noonan concerned?
Because she thinks these measures will only be used against terrorists, just as the IRS is only supposed to be used against tax evaders.
When a public and the commentators who inform it accept the collapse of the Constitution’s authority and the demise of their civil liberties, to complain about the IRS is pointless.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/05/23/why-disinformation-works-paul-craig-roberts/
Why Disinformation Works
Have you ever wondered how the government’s misinformation gains traction?
What I have noticed is that whenever a stunning episode occurs, such as 9/11 or the Boston Marathon bombing, most everyone whether on the right or left goes along with the government’s explanation, because they can hook their agenda to the government’s account.
The leftwing likes the official stories of Muslims creating terrorist mayhem in America, because it proves their blowback theory and satisfies them that the dispossessed and oppressed can fight back against imperialism.
The patriotic rightwing likes the official story, because it proves America is attacked for its goodness or because terrorists were allowed in by immigration authorities and nurtured by welfare, or because the government, which can’t do anything right, ignored plentiful warnings.
Whatever the government says, no matter how problematical, the official story gets its traction from its compatibility with existing predispositions and agendas.
In such a country, truth has no relevance. Only agendas are important.
A person can see this everywhere. I could write volumes illustrating how agenda-driven writers across the spectrum will support the most improbable government stories despite the absence of any evidence simply because the government’s line can be used to support their agendas.
For example, a conservative writer in the June issue of Chronicles uses the government’s story about the alleged Boston Marathon bombers, Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, to argue against immigration, amnesty for illegals, and political asylum for Muslims. He writes: “Even the most high-tech security systems imaginable will inevitably fail as they are overwhelmed by a flood of often hostile and dangerous immigrants.”
The writer accepts all of the improbable government statements as proof that the brothers were guilty. The wounded brother who was unable to respond to the boat owner who discovered him and had to be put on life support somehow managed to write a confession on the inside of the boat.
As soon as the authorities have the brother locked up in a hospital on life support, “unnamed officials” and “authorities who remain anonymous” are planting the story in the media that the suspect is signing written confessions of his guilt while on life support. No one has seen any of these written confessions. But we know that they exist, because the government and media say so.
The conservative writer knows that Dzhokhar is guilty because he is Muslim and a Chechen. Therefore, it does not occur to the writer to wonder about the agenda of the unnamed sources who are busy at work creating belief in the brothers’ guilt. This insures that no juror would dare vote for acquittal and have to explain it to family and friends. Innocent until proven guilty in a court has been thrown out the window. This should disturb the conservative writer, but doesn’t.
The conservative writer sees Chechen ethnicity as an indication of guilt even though the brothers grew up in the US as normal Americans, because Chechens are “engaged in anti-Russian jihad.” But Chechens have no reason for hostility against the US. As evidence indicates, Washington supports the Chechens in their conflict with Russia. By supporting Chechen terrorism, Washington violates all of the laws that it ruthlessly applies to compassionate Americans who give donations to Palestinian charities that Washington alleges are run by Hamas, a Washington-declared terrorist organization.
It doesn’t occur to the conservative writer that something is amiss when martial law
is established over one of America’s main cities and its metropolitan area, 10,000 heavily armed troops are put on the streets with tanks, and citizens are ordered out of their homes with their hands over their heads, all of this just to search for one wounded 19-year old suspect. Instead the writer blames the “surveillance state” on “the inevitable consequences of suicidal liberalism” which has embraced “the oldest sin in the world: rebellion against authority.” The writer is so pleased to use the government’s story line as a way of indulging the conservative’s romance with authority and striking a blow at liberalism that he does not notice that he has lined up against the Founding Fathers who signed the Declaration of Independence and rebelled against authority.
I could just as easily have used a left-wing writer to illustrate the point that improbable explanations are acceptable if they fit with predispositions and can be employed in behalf of an agenda.
Think about it. Do you not think that it is extraordinary that the only investigations we have of such events as 9/11 and the Boston Marathon bombing are private investigations, such as this investigation of the backpacks: http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/05/20/of...questions-about-the-boston-bombing-backpacks/
There was no investigation of 9/11. Indeed, the White House resisted any inquiry at all for one year despite the insistent demands from the 9/11 families. NIST did not investigate anything. NIST simply constructed a computer model that was consistent with the government’s story. The 9/11 Commission simply sat and listened to the government’s explanation and wrote it down. These are not investigations.
The only investigations have come from a physicist who proved that WTC 7 came down at free fall and was thus the result of controlled demolition, from a team of scientists who examined dust from the WTC towers and found nano-thermite, from high-rise architects and structural engineers with decades of experience, and from first responders and firefighters who were in the towers and experienced explosions throughout the towers, even in the sub-basements.
We have reached the point where evidence is no longer required. The government’s statements suffice. Only conspiracy kooks produce real evidence.
In America, government statements have a unique authority. This authority comes from the white hat that the US wore in World War II and in the subsequent Cold War. It was easy to demonize Nazi Germany, Soviet Communism and Maoist China. Even today when Russian publications interview me about the perilous state of civil liberty in the US and Washington’s endless illegal military attacks abroad, I sometimes receive reports that some Russians believe that it was an impostor who was interviewed, not the real Paul Craig Roberts. There are Russians who believe that it was President Reagan who brought freedom to Russia, and as I served in the Reagan administration these Russians associate me with their vision of America as a light unto the world. Some Russians actually believe that Washington’s wars are truly wars of liberation.
The same illusions reign among Chinese dissidents. Chen Guangcheng is the Chinese dissident who sought refuge in the US Embassy in China. Recently he was interviewed by the BBC World Service. Chen Guangcheng believes that the US protects human rights while China suppresses human rights. He complained to the BBC that in China police can arrest citizens and detain them for as long as six months without accounting for their detainment. He thought that the US and UK should publicly protest this violation of due process, a human right. Apparently, Chen Guangcheng is unaware that US citizens are subject to indefinite detention without due process and even to assassination without due process.
The Chinese government allowed Chen Guangcheng safe passage to leave China and live in the US. Chen Guangcheng is so dazzled by his illusions of America as a human rights beacon that it has never occurred to him that the oppressive, human rights-violating Chinese government gave him safe passage, but that Julian Assange, after being given political asylum by Ecuador is still confined to the Ecuadoran embassy in London, because Washington will not allow its UK puppet state to permit his safe passage to Ecuador.
Perhaps Chen Guangcheng and the Chinese and Russian dissidents who are so enamored of the US could gain some needed perspective if they were to read US soldier Terry Holdbrooks’ book about the treatment given to the Guantanamo prisoners. Holdbrooks was there on the scene, part of the process, and this is what he told RT: “The torture and information extraction methods that we used certainly created a great deal of doubt and questions in my mind to whether or not this was my America. But when I thought about what we were doing there and how we go about doing it, it did not seem like the America I signed up to defend. It did not seem like the America I grew up in. And that in itself was a very disillusioning experience.” http://rt.com/news/guantanamo-guard-islam-torture-608/
In a May 17 Wall Street Journal.com article, Peggy Noonan wrote that President Obama has lost his patina of high-mindedness. What did Obama do that brought this loss upon himself? Is it because he sits in the Oval Office approving lists of US citizens to be assassinated without due process of law? Is it because he detains US citizens indefinitely in violation of habeas corpus? Is it because he has kept open the torture prison at Guantanamo? Is it because he continued the war that the neoconservatives started, despite his promise to end it, and started new wars?
Is it because he attacks with drones people in their homes, medical centers, and work places in countries with which the US is not at war? Is it because his corrupt administration spies on American citizens without warrants and without cause?
No. It is none of these reasons. In Noonan’s view these are not offenses for which presidents, even Democratic ones, lose their high-minded patina. Obama can no longer be trusted, because the IRS hassled some conservative political activists.
Noonan is a Republican, and what Obama did wrong was to use the IRS against some Republicans. Apparently, it has not occurred to Noonan that if Obama–or any president–can use the IRS against opponents, he can use Homeland Security and the police state against them. He can use indefinite detention against them. He can use drones against them.
All of these are much more drastic measures. Why isn’t Peggy Noonan concerned?
Because she thinks these measures will only be used against terrorists, just as the IRS is only supposed to be used against tax evaders.
When a public and the commentators who inform it accept the collapse of the Constitution’s authority and the demise of their civil liberties, to complain about the IRS is pointless.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/05/23/why-disinformation-works-paul-craig-roberts/
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PC Roberts is always great. Here is his link exposing some of the official party line bs about the Boston bombing.
http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/05/20/of...questions-about-the-boston-bombing-backpacks/
Here's video of the actor/victim throwing out the first pitch at a red socks game:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/05...ictim-throws-out-first-pitch-at-red-sox-game/
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/05...ictim-throws-out-first-pitch-at-red-sox-game/
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Zios, like Black Prince here, try to use their stand up comedy routines as a propaganda weapon.
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Im not a zio asswipe. However it's plain as day that your ONLY response/comment to posts you don't agree with is to use ad hominiem attacks like the silly little child you are.
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Are you trying to tell me that you're not something called a "zio asswipe", or are you trying to call me an "asswipe"? If it's the latter, you need to put a comma before the "asswipe". At any rate you're a fool and an obnoxious troll. A zio-troll.
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