Black QB's dropping like flies

[Poacher]

McNabb is hurt, out for season; Culpepper hurt, out
for season; Leftwich hurt, might be back for playoffs
(assuming they make the playoffs); Aaron Brooks just got benched
and super-vick is only one hit away from going down...also, just
read that Culpepper has been charged in that porno-boat scandal,
pfffft what a role model. Combine him with Vick intentionally
giving that woman herpes and you get a real good idea of why neither
one of them will never win a championship. So who's left? Oh
yeah, Mcnair..he's usually only good for a few games at a
time, I'll be surprised if he finishes out the year.



When are these people and their numerous supporters in the media going
to learn that playing quarterback is about DISTRIBUTING THE
FOOTBALL, not carrying it on every play? This season has
been a disaster for caste supporting black QB fans. That knee
injury to Culpepper was the best thing that ever happened to the Vikes
and truth be told, it rescued fumblepepper from what was shaping
up to be a disastorous/ embarrasing season. As for
Mcnabb, I am actually feeling a little sorry for him. The
Eagles subjected him to Terrell Owens and now the NAACP is after him
for not playing "black" i.e., running with the football more. He
actually seems like a nice enough guy but damned if he doesn't have a
bullseye on his back. Saint Vick has had a couple of decent games
throwing the ball but that's about it. Just looking at the
Falcons schedule I think he only beat one team this year that had a
winning record when he played them.



Can't think of anything else to say so......if I've forgotten anything please let me know.






Edited by: Poacher

 

[GWTJ]

You are on the money Poacher. Even worse news for the caste supporting black QB fans is the success of the white QB's. And I am not talking about any aging veterans either. Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Big Ben, Eli Manning, Tom Brady, Jake Delhomme and Marc Bulger are all young and proven leaders. They compliment the group of older QB's like Peyton Manning, Brett Farve, Brad Johnson, Drew Bledsoe, Trent Green and Jake Plummer very nicely and make up a large nucleus of white field generals that will have no problem holding back the tide of up and coming black college QB's who have been led to believe that they have the needed skill sets to play QB in the NFL.

 

[Don Wassall]

Brooks is the classic example of how entrenched blacks become at any position once they are annointed a starter, especially quarterback. He became the starter for the Saints late in the 2000 season. That was the only time they made the playoffs. Since then it has been one failed season after another, even though the Saints are always said to possess great offensive talent.


Brooks' season-ending stats always look good, which only shows how misleading statistics can be sometimes. He is wildly inconsistent -- except in the red zone and other crucial situations, where he is consistently bad. One squandered opportunity after another has been his trademark, and the team's has been to start well and then choke down the stretch.


Yet game after game, season after season, the one thing that could be counted on was that Aaron Brooks was the Saints starting QB. It took six years for him to finally be benched, as Todd Bouman has been announced as this week's starter.


McNair is another obvious example of a quarterback who is now only of backup ability. Jeff Fisher has done a good job in developing Drew Bennett from scratch and bringing in a fair number of talented white defensive players, but the Titans' rebuilding effort will amount to naught and the team will remain a bottom feeder if Fisher lacks the fortitude to end the McNair era in Tennessee and go with a capable quarterback. Edited by: Don Wassall

 

[White_Savage]

So much for injury-prone White players.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Amen to that White_Savage!

 

[White Shogun]

The funny thing is McNabb seems to be the one decent guy among the bunch, and HE is the one targeted by his fellow blacks! I mean, the NAACP character actually said that McNabb was an Uncle Tom BECAUSE he didn't run more with the ball! He said that by trying to become more of a pocket passer, he was supporting the stereotype that athletic black quarterbacks are not as capable field generals as white pocket-passing quarterbacks.

 

[Ta Waki Mumba]

The best type of quarterback is a multi-dimensional composite who can adjust to defences faster than defences can adjust to him.

To hell with this "white pocket passer" "black scrambler" CRAP! Learn to do both and don't let the effing media push you into some kind of a box based on the colour of skin.

Roll out, then pass! Please somebody, anybody try it.

 

[GWTJ]

A lot of the best QB's have been able to scramble successfully. Joe Montana, John Elway, Roger Staubach, Steve Young are among the greatest of all time. They were not classified as scramblers like a Fran Tarkentan but they had excellent speed and when they did decide to run they usually picked up crucial yardage. They also were roll-out QB's. Do we put these QB's ahead of the best drop back passers like Unitas, Marino, Fouts and Manning due to their multi-dimensional skills? Anyone?

 

[speedster]

Ditto,GWTJ.As far as the best type of QB's go I like the drop-back passer who has the ability to escape that initial rush and then find the open man.The run first QB quite often doesn't have enough confindence in his arm so he just does the easy thing and takes off,sandlot football.Randall Cunningham was a fun first QB and although he learned to play the position somewhat his running caught up to him,one year he rushed for nearly 1000 yards.Too much.It caught up with him as he was a dismal failure in the playoffs.

 

[sport historian]

I have written this on the site before, but I can't emphasize too strongly how much sportswriters have wanted to boost black QB's. It has gone on for 40 years now. I remember an article about a Tennessee State QB named Eldridge Dickey in Sport magazine around 1967. Dickey was TSU's QB before Joe Gilliam.


Dickey was taken by the Raiders in the 1968 Draft and was tried at QB, but didn't show much besides a very bad attitude, even by Raider standards. He wouldn't show up at practices for weeks at a time, according to a book by ex-Raider Chip Oliver.


The fact is that the QB who wins is able to drop back, read the coverage, and get the ball downfield. The writers can't change this fact, and so far they haven't been able to change the rules so as to make this invalid.

 

[Bart]

A lot of the best QB's have been able to scramble successfully. Joe Montana, John Elway, Roger Staubach, Steve Young are among the greatest of all time. They were not classified as scramblers like a Fran Tarkentan but they had excellent speed and when they did decide to run they usually picked up crucial yardage.

All of these QB's could throw the ball very well.Steve could run with the best of them but also won six passing titles. If Michael Vick slows down or loses his running ablity through injury, he will be toast. If a Quarterback canrunwell AND throw accurately, he can be a valuable weapon. I would say being elusive in the pocket is more important than downfield running ability. Favre is/was very elusive. There have been many great quarterbacks who were not fleet of foot but could throw well.


Peyton Manning who is not considered mobile RARELY takes a sack and loses yards. Vick on the other hand can make big plays running but gets sacked alot for negative yards.

 

[Bunnyman]

Just saw a fawning segment on ESPN today about the troubles of black QBs. All our fault, of course.

 

[Gary]

I have been watching football for a long time and Peyton Manning is the best QB I have seen since Johnny Unitas-All things taken into consideration.
Brad Johnson should finish out the year with the Vikings and when the season is over, if the Vikings make Culpepper there top QB. Johnson should go some place else. Anyone can see Johnson is a winner-Culpepper is not.
Aaron Brooks is one of the worst QB's I have ever seen-the whole team at New Orleans should pack up and move to San Antonio!!

 

[White Shogun]

A lot of the best QB's have been able to scramble successfully. Joe Montana, John Elway, Roger Staubach, Steve Young are among the greatest of all time. They were not classified as scramblers like a Fran Tarkentan but they had excellent speed and when they did decide to run they usually picked up crucial yardage. They also were roll-out QB's. Do we put these QB's ahead of the best drop back passers like Unitas, Marino, Fouts and Manning due to their multi-dimensional skills? Anyone?

Good examples, but did you notice that everyone in the first group has won at LEAST one Super Bowl, and three have multiple Super Bowl rings, while of the latter four, none do? Manning has a shot this year of course, but he hasn't won it yet.

Where does Tom Brady fit into the equation? Is he one of the greatest pure quarterbacks of all time? What made him great if it wasn't his passing skill? He is the only QB playing today with multiple Super Bowl titles, and in all liklihood, will be the only one for some time to come. And he accomplished this playing in the era of free agency and on a team without any 'superstar' widereceivers or running backs. Edited by: White Shogun

 

[Bart]

I checked on the QB's who had very good running stats to see how they fared. I rounded off the numbers . S. Young , Staubach, Elway, Theismann and Bradshaw won Super Bowls withgood good running numbers.Young scored 43 TD's. Was surprised to see Bart Starr in that list, never really considered him. F. Tarkenton played in 4 SB's which is a feat in itself. I forgot about Bert Jones, he could run and throw a ton.


Yds. per carry: M.Vick 7.1, B. Douglass 6.5, G.Landry 6.2, McNabb 6.0, S. Young 5.9, Bert Jones 5.8, A. Manning 5.7, K. Stuart 5.6, S. McNair 5.6, R.Staubach 5.5, F. Tarkenton 5.4, B.Starr 5.3, T. Bradshaw 5.1, J. Theismann 5.1, D. Fiutie 4.9, S. Grogan 4.9, M. Brunell 4.8, R. Garcia 4.8, R. Gannon 4.7, J.Elway 4.4, A. Books 4.2


Edited by: Bart

 

[castefootballer]

Glad to see The Saints and Coach Hasslet are finaly replacing Aaron brooks with a white QB. ------good luck Todd Bouman

 

[Kaptain]

Bart, one correction: Fran Tarkenton (my all-time favorite) only played in three superbowls as Joe Kapp quarterbacked the first Vikings superbowl.
When you look at some of the best and fleetest of foot white running quarterbacks (Tark, Young, Gannon, Flutie etc.), they all took very few sacks and were prolific passers as well. The fleetest of foot black quarterbacks (Vick, Cunningham, McNabb etc.)were often sacked and have never been prolific passers. Has anyone noticed that they all have long, spagetti armed releases?Edited by: Kaptain Poop

 

[Bart]

Bart, one correction: Fran Tarkenton (my all-time favorite) only played in three superbowls as Joe Capp quarterbacked the first Vikings superbowl.
The fleetest of foot black quarterbacks (Vick, Cunningham, McNabb etc.)were often sacked and have never been prolific passers. Has anyone noticed that they all have long, spagetti armed releases?

You're right about Joe Kapp, we talked about him in on a different thread. Don also mentioned that Byron Leftwich has a very long winduup before tossing the ball.

 

[Spooge]

Good observation with the " Spaghetti armed" analogy. Their
releases seem to take forever. They appear to have to drop their
arms then rotate them in a windmill type arch before throwing.
This may be due to bad coaching or just an inability to take
direction. In any case it makes for inaccurate passes and
multiple sacks.

 

[foreverfree]

Bart, one correction: Fran Tarkenton (my all-time favorite) only played in three superbowls as Joe Kapp quarterbacked the first Vikings superbowl.

Tarkenton was a New York Giant when Kapp took the Vikes to SB IV. E. Manning stole his jersey IYKWIM. (Or did he steal it from Brad Van Pelt [a Giant linebacker of yore who joined Big Blue after the Frantic Fran era]?)

Speaking of #10... being one who doesn't follow college football as closely as pro, I must ask did Eli "grow up" wearing Bo Derek's number? Did he wear #10 at Ole Miss? Colonel Reb, you have to know this one.

Watching Eli tonight against KC, I wondered how many other Giants have worn #10 through the years?

John

 

[foreverfree]

You're right about Joe Kapp, we talked about him in on a different thread. Don also mentioned that Byron Leftwich has a very long winduup before tossing the ball.

Reading about Leftwich's long windup reminded me of an old "NFL Game of the Week" I watched on ESPN Classic a couple of years ago. The Steelers were playing Denver in a 1974 game that ended 35-35 (the first regular season OT NFL game). This was when Chuck Noll was going with Joe Gilliam at QB. Gilliam had the same long windup as Leftwich.

Must be the muscle structure in negro arms (rolls eyes)...

John

 

[Spooge]

Yeah something about running from stores carrying too many stolen items
has lengthen their arms over the course of a few generations
Edited by: Renaissance Man