Asian Ahletes

[athlete888]

Hi All,

I thought I'd give my perspective on where track & Field is heading, more specifically the shorter distances.

IMO no one in the world will topple the domination ever of the West African descent runners, it is impossible. Its possible that a few aboriginal Australians might (if we can find one) one day be competitive, however given the number of aboriginals left in Australia (less than 300,000) it is unlikely.

I like many of you here, would love to see the stereotype broken, to give hope to many young athletes around the world, I couldnt care less which race, just anybody, but it will be tough.

That leaves everyone else.

I had my hopes on Matt SHirvo, however sadly he never realised his potential .

IMO, I believe someone from Asia will be the first person to break 10 seconds. Asians whilst small in stature, I believe have thespeed and agility to break the 10 second mark. I am not sayingAsians are any better athletes than anyne else, but IMO they arewell equiped to break the 10 second mark. The recent strong performance of Japanese sprinters and the rising performances of the Chinese give me reason to believe this.

As the training methodologies improve with better diets and wealth, I am sure 10 seconds will be broken within the next year or two.
My bets are on Naoki Tsukahara (the only non-black athletes in the semi finals of the 100m in Beijing and member of the bronze medal winning 4x100m relay team in Beijing). He has run 10.13 so far this season, not bad.

 

[C Darwin]

I think that I'm going to root for white people anyway. Thanks for posting.

 

[StarWars]

sadly, unless we crack down on steroids West African sprinters will always be the most competitive. Naoki Tsukahara is a nice bet to break ten seconds along with Christophe Lemaitre. Craig Pickering cannot be forgotten, along with Fabio Cerutti.

In my opinion these are the countries that like the steroids lately:
1.Jamaica and other Carribean nations
2.United States
3.Japan (extremely suspicious)
4.Greece
5.United Kingdom

Clean countries usually have white sprinters. There is no denying this. They are:

1.Australia
2.Italy
3.Scotland
4.Ukraine
5.Russia
6.Many of the African countries may be clean in sprinting too, actually. But West Africans in the US and Carribean perform much BETTER. Funny, because in the US white athletes perform WORSE.

 

[waterbed]

east asians are great at sprinting because the fastest east asian has run 10.00 the same as fastest white.only in 110 meter hurdles and marathon they have a better time/record of all the events then whites.no east asian have a WR in track and field at the moment of the men.whites have triple jump,javelin,shot put,pole vault,Discus , hammer and Decathlon 9026 points WR
eats asians are close to the wr 110 meter hurdles and whites to long jump,high jump and 400 and 800 meters.

 

[GoWings]

Hi All,

I thought I'd give my perspective on where track & Field is heading, more specifically the shorter distances.

IMO no one in the world will topple the domination ever of the West African descent runners, it is impossible.

I agree. To take it a step further, off the top of my head, of the 66 sub-10 blacks, only 3 (Frankie Fredericks, Jason Gardener, and Mike Marsh)are light-skinned.Dark-skinned blacks dominate light-skinned blacks inNFL and NBA statistical achievement as well.I think there's something genetically behind that.

 

[StarWars]

Hi All,
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<div>I thought I'd give my perspective on where track & Field is heading, more specifically the shorter distances.</div>
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<div>IMO no one in the world will topple the domination ever of the West African descent runners, it is impossible.

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<div>I agree.  To take it a step further, off the top of my head, of the 66 sub-10 blacks, only 3 (Frankie Fredericks, Jason Gardener, and Mike Marsh) are light-skinned.  Dark-skinned blacks dominate light-skinned blacks in NFL and NBA statistical achievement as well.  I think there's something genetically behind that.</div>

Do you think black men cant jump? Because the best 9 out of the top 10 highest high jumpss are by white athletes and not blacks. And the one who made the list (Sotomayor) tested postive for steroids (nandralone).

 

[JTSmith86]

Hi All,



I thought I'd give my perspective on where track &amp; Field is heading, more specifically the shorter distances.



IMO no one in the world will topple the domination ever of the West African descent runners, it is impossible.

I agree. To take it a step further, off the top of my head, of the 66 sub-10 blacks, only 3 (Frankie Fredericks, Jason Gardener, and Mike Marsh)are light-skinned.Dark-skinned blacks dominate light-skinned blacks inNFL and NBA statistical achievement as well.I think there's something genetically behind that.

Do you think black men cant jump? Because the best 9 out of the top 10 highest high jumpss are by white athletes and not blacks. And the one who made the list (Sotomayor) tested postive for steroids (nandralone).

I'm not exactly sure what that has to do with the darkskin black/lightskin black disparity, but of all the sports I'd venture blacks couldn't care less about, I'm sure the high jump would rank pretty high among them.

 

[StarWars]

Sadly the same goes with whites and the 100 meter. That is exactly my point you numbskull.

 

[white lightning]

First off, you are forgeting Maurice Greene among others. Alot of these guys have some european ancestry in there. Who is to say that the reason other than roids that many americans have dominated has been the history of mixing over the years. The guys from Africa no matter how dark skinned on the average don't run that fast. Hell, many countries in Africa don't even have one sub 10 yet. I know they are poor but running doesn't take money. You just get out there and run. Look at Kenya and how they make a living running distance. From poor to rich in a hurry.

I don't buy your theory. In fact, I predict both Europeans and Asians will go sub 10 on a regular basis someday. I just don't belive in the theory that no one can compete with blacks. Comple b.s.

This board is to support white athletes, not to bash them. Contribute to the board with support or else you will not be welcome here! We do not come here to state that we cannot compete with blacks. You can think that but go somewhere else if that is all you have to say. I suggest that you have an inferiority complex. Whites are the best athletes in the world. We dominate more sports than any race on the planet. Be proud of your heritage.Edited by: white lightning

 

[StarWars]

Nobody kick this guy I want to argue with him to prove a point. Too bad he has google to help him because I would destroy him in a real argument and know much more than him. Im going to make a threda about our debate. Let's go.

 

[StarWars]

Oh well, too late. Nevermind.

 

[albinosprint]

I'm with white lighting on this one. go read my post on Fastest White Man Ever

 

[white is right]

Troll WTF are you talking about? If you know anything about street ball and cred you know hops is an obsession with the dumpiest of ghetto guys to athletic guys that ball like in the movie White Men Can't Jump. Go troll elsewhere and try your Nat X routine somewhere else.......

 

[Maple Leaf]

Hi All,
<div> </div>
<div>I thought I'd give my perspective on where track & Field is heading, more specifically the shorter distances.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>IMO no one in the world will topple the domination ever of the West African descent runners, it is impossible.

</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I agree.  To take it a step further, off the top of my head, of the 66 sub-10 blacks, only 3 (Frankie Fredericks, Jason Gardener, and Mike Marsh) are light-skinned.  Dark-skinned blacks dominate light-skinned blacks in NFL and NBA statistical achievement as well.  I think there's something genetically behind that.</div>

Do you think black men cant jump? Because the best 9 out of the top 10 highest high jumpss are by white athletes and not blacks. And the one who made the list (Sotomayor) tested postive for steroids (nandralone).

Perfect reply. His arguement fell apart like a egg dropped on concrete.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

Starwars, the list I checked most recently says that 8 of the 11 guys to jump 2.40 or higher are white, not 9 of the top 10 white. But keep in mind the black record holder Javier Sotomayor in the high jump was 6'4 tall and tested positive for cocaine and then also steroids at the end of his career.

I believe Stefan Holm is the shortest man (at only 5'10) to record a 2.40 meter jump (tell me if I'm mistaken). Holm has never tested positive for any banned drug. Whose to say if Holm was 6'4 and on steroids that he wouldn't be able to jump 2.45. I think he probably would!

This looks like it will turn into another one of those black vs. Asian vs. white athlete threads. What happened to the original "the black athlete" thread anyway WL? It started off bad, but I thought many good points were made on opinions on many areas where white athletes look to have advantages. It seems to have disappeared all together from the board after the board upgrade.

I think that multiple Japanese/Chinese and European Sprinters will run sub 10 in the next 7-10 years. I'd place a bet right now for $75 with a naysayer that by the end of 2019 that at least 2 white men will have gone sub 10. I'm SLIGHTLY less confident on 2 East Asians doing it because they are approximately 4 inches shorter than Europeans on average, but I would still lean toward yes for them as well. Plus there are about 1.3 billion Chinese people- so with their wealth increasing and better training they should improve in short sprints.

This is not a board for naysayers guys!

 

[StarWars]

Very true Tough J. Riggins. There are so many people tied at 2.40 though that both 9 out of 10 and 8 out of 11 white are both correct. Either way, a black man has never cleared 2.40 meters without steroids (Sotomayor), while several whites have. But you don't hear anything about a 2.40 barrier.

 

[athlete888]

asahara: 10.05

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_gNbTnls6g

ito: 10.00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwF-ukpQGk4&amp;feature=related

shirvington

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOjp8sgZ878

 

[athlete888]

forgot to mention shirvo was 10.03

Suetsugu 10.03

Johnson 9.93

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuTbIbsbyt8&amp;feature=related

 

[StarWars]

I am a little skeptical of these Asian times solely because their 60 meter splits are usually terrible. I don't believe Asahara ever broke 6.60 or even came close many times, and neither did Ito or Suetsugo. Also, they usually only run in Asia and few do well in the Olympics. Maybe they have faster tracks in Asia, but it is hard to believe that these shorter athletes can't break 6.6 but some still challenege ten. And white athletes like Nagel run 6.48 and don't break 10.13. Maybe the problem is white athletes are focusing too much on the indoor season...

 

[mastermulti]

I must say I like the form of the Japanese sprinters... they work on ecoming technically correct and it shows in their relay results recently. And 46 strides for the distance means lots of power from those legs...neither of those two was particularly short either.

As you can see, Patrick Johnson has great hip mobility and is very smooth at top speed. Cathy Freeman had this too. Our Aboriginal speedsters are generally lithe-calved (like many afro-heritage blacks I've watched) and it makes me wonder about the consequence of having to pick up large calves ( that many whites seem to have) as fatigue starts to creep in....just an observation!

For instance: I have 15 inch and very defined body builder-like calves yet I've never worked on them. I realise they probably come from the days of my ancestors pulling carts through the mud tracks in Nottingham Forest centuries ago, and while they are probably good for my starts I think they're just a heavy weight as I near the end of my races.
On the other hand I can generate lots of circle speed for doing Shot or Discus and can take on guys much bigger (I'm 80 kgs)because of this.
It'd be interesting to hear of other posters' perceived strengths and weaknesses. After all, we've all developed in specific ways to cope with what life's challenges held in store for our ancestors over the millenia.

Any one ever heard of or done research on this (the calf thing), guys?
Edited by: mastermulti

 

[StarWars]

I have read that the friction caused when your muscles go back and forth at full speed (watch sprinting in slow motion) actually causes fatigue and energy loss. Mastermulti, I would advise wearing spandex or tights that go all the way to your ankles while you run to reduce this friction. I too have calves that resemble Shirvo's if I had to compare. Craig Pickering's go back and forth a lot when he runs too. Either that or try wearing spandex that just stop above thhe legs and high socks to cover your calves. I have a theory that this helps you run faster. I feel that my knee lift is better with spandex and high socks. I think it feels better because less energy is waisted on the friction i was talking about.

Maybe the explanation for the rising Japenese sprinters with bad 60 meter splits doing well is they train smarter like blacks in America and Jamaica. Many like Bolt just run outdoors (and probably do steroids in the winter). That is why i am suspicious of the Japenese too. Either way, the Europeans should stop focusing on the 60 meter and focus on the 100 meter.

Personally, I prefer the 60 meter. I never pull away from sprinters myself after 60 meters. If I ever start running very elite times by the end of high school I may try to get the 50 meter record of 5.56. By the way a white man is fourth on the all-time 50 meter list with a 5.61 and 10th with a 5.62 (Morne Nagel). So for all you football fans, it is a statistical fact that whites can run just as fast in the 40 yard dash, and if the trend continues (whites top 100 for 100m, top 20 for 60m, top 5 for 50m), then we are probably faster for the first forty yards.

 

[Observer]

Any one ever heard of or done research on this (the calf thing), guys?

There was a study about three years' ago comparing the effect of ankle bones of Danish vs. Ethiopian distance runners, or something like that. The net effect was something like 1-2% more effort; not sure, I didn't read it closely.

 

[SteveB]

There may be something to your calf observation, but what about the white guys that have smaller calves? Every race has a variety of body types and shapes, so I think that it hard to make generalizations like this.

 

[albinosprint]

high calves are due to extra long Achilles tendons which aids in the torque your ankle puts out which aids stride length. though this is a common black trait, many of the top blacks have long calves, for example Carl Lewis. many fast whites do not have high calves which leads me to believe it's not a major factor in speed.

 

[GiovaniMarcon]

I have to say; although I'm certainly for White athletes, I'm happy if any non-black makes waves in the short sprinting world.

Even if some Indian or Native American or Eskimo or Asian guy made a good time in the 100, it would be worth seeing and hearing about. Although, it must be said -- any non-Black who achieves well in sprinting is an automatic druggie or secretly has a black dad (take your pick).