Ahmadinejad Calls 9/11 "Fabricated"

[Kaptain]

A David Duke interview w/Don Black that explains the Jewish control of the financial industry. This is how they control 300 million.

David Duke GS IMF WB Jewish control

 

[Menelik]

Kaptain Poop:

Good posts!

jwhite96:

Edited by: Menelik

 

[Bart]

A David Duke interview w/Don Black that explains the Jewish control of the financial industry. This is how they control 300 million.

David Duke GS IMF WB Jewish control

This Youtube video is even more comprehensive. Double Wow!! Is there any doubt?

The Zionist Matrix of Power in America

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHKGOcUyQ-M

 

[DixieDestroyer]

Palecon, if you doubt 9/11 was an inside job/false-flag, have a gander at the following info-filled documentary...


"Loose Change - The Final Cut"


Edited by: DixieDestroyer

 

[jaxvid]

5.4.3.2.1....

good one!

But I'm glad there are people that hate jews and arabs. No one deserves it more!!

BTW Pat Buchanon wrote a great article on Joe bidens trip to israel. He calls america israel's "poodle" . good stuff.

http://vdare.com/buchanan/100315_israel.htm

 

[screamingeagle]

For argument's sake, lets say everything the iranians said about the USA is true. (Even though it is not) This does not excuse them from taking over our embassy. If they wanted us out, they should have told us to leave. Instead they violate international law, to help the Soviets, to learn our secrets. (We are not sure if the Soviets learned anything, but anyone who knows is not talking.)

 

[jwhite96]

Kaptain Poop:
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Is that a self portrait? You should see a plastic surgeon

 

[StarWars]

In regarding 9/11, the holocaust, Pearl Harbor, etc.; I find that for me it is almost impossible to uncover the truth on my own because there are so many people who just plain lie, regardless of their stance. The caste system is very different though because it happens every day, and is just so plain obvious and WRONG!

For those reasons I tend to not care about 9/11, the holocaust, Pearl Harbor, etc, because I like to try to move forward. I have values such as pride in my race, conservation of my race and heritage, being a paleoconservative, hating globalits and Israel and all things against God, and basically and most importantly being a good person.

I could care less about what actually happened in the holocaust, to be honest. I just care that someday we rid ourselves of this globalist society.

 

[Menelik]

Kaptain Poop:



Good posts!

jwhite96:

Is that a self portrait? You should see a plastic surgeon

No its a symbol for your avoidance of the questions Kaptain Poop posed to you newbie. Do you understand now sugar tits?

 

[Paleocon]

Palecon, if you doubt 9/11 was an inside job/false-flag, have a gander at the following info-filled documentary...





"Loose Change - The Final Cut"

Unfortunately the link took me to a generic YouTube page; was the video taken down?

My own view is that 9/11 was actual blowback which, of course, the neo-con propagandists used dupe the American people into supporting two wars. As far as conspiracies go I think that despite how they publicly ridicule the concept of blowback the neo-cons understand it and seek to create it in order to generate circumstances (like 9/11). This lets them get everything they want while avoiding the enormous risks of manufactured crises. Israel doesn't have to blow up their own cafes or discos; they just have to beat down the Palestinians enough to get them to do it in retaliation. That retaliation will be invariably condemned as terrorism enabling Israel to use excessive force, which will not be condemned. Our neo-cons can do the same thing. Because the American people will never view the U.S. as the aggressor the neo-cons get a blank check to do whatever they want to their enemies with full knowledge that those enemies will receive all of the blame if they retaliate. When you control all the centers of power (government, media, military-industrial complex, education system, etc.) why risk a conspiracy that, if exposed by a credible source, would wreck everything. Much "safer" to keep lying to the people and provoking anger around the world and just wait for events to unfold. Perhaps neglect a few warnings, but nothing too incriminating (after all, that is just bureaucratic incompetence and can easily be fixed with another bureaucracy).

 

[Don Wassall]

Palecon, if you doubt 9/11 was an inside job/false-flag, have a gander at the following info-filled documentary...


"Loose Change - The Final Cut"

Unfortunately the link took me to a generic YouTube page; was the video taken down?

My own view is that 9/11 was actual blowback which, of course, the neo-con propagandists used dupe the American people into supporting two wars. As far as conspiracies go I think that despite how they publicly ridicule the concept of blowback the neo-cons understand it and seek to create it in order to generate circumstances (like 9/11). This lets them get everything they want while avoiding the enormous risks of manufactured crises. Israel doesn't have to blow up their own cafes or discos; they just have to beat down the Palestinians enough to get them to do it in retaliation. That retaliation will be invariably condemned as terrorism enabling Israel to use excessive force, which will not be condemned. Our neo-cons can do the same thing. Because the American people will never view the U.S. as the aggressor the neo-cons get a blank check to do whatever they want to their enemies with full knowledge that those enemies will receive all of the blame if they retaliate. When you control all the centers of power (government, media, military-industrial complex, education system, etc.) why risk a conspiracy that, if exposed by a credible source, would wreck everything. Much "safer" to keep lying to the people and provoking anger around the world and just wait for events to unfold. Perhaps neglect a few warnings, but nothing too incriminating (after all, that is just bureaucratic incompetence and can easily be fixed with another bureaucracy).

Here's a rather compelling column by Paul Craig Roberts, who was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury duing the Reagan administration, former assistant editor of The Wall Street Journal editorial page, and an author of several books, among other (establishment) credentials. At the very least the official government story leads to lots of questions. The close-mindedness of the establishment in the face of them leads to only more questions, and suspicion.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1003/S00005.htm

 

[sport historian]

If the U.S. government had perpetrated 9/11 it wouldn't have worked so well. Is this another one of those conspiracies that would have involved thousands of people, none of whom talk for money or betray their masters? The left-wing media would have LOVED uncovering a plot by the Bush administration to destroy the WTC.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

Paleocon, my apologies for the bad link. I've updated/edited that link, but here it is again. If you've not seen "Loose Change", I strongly advise watching it. Even if you don't believe 9/11 was a false flag, the documentary makes many valid points.

"Loose Change - The Final Cut"


Sports Historian, there are folks out there that believe the Mossad had a hand in the 9/11, and others feel it was just a few "black ops" specialists who got the marching orders from a chosen few (within the PTB). I can't say who specifically orchestrated & executed the false-flag, but if you review the various (non MSM) research...there's far too many open questions (WTC 7, witnesses hearing "popping" (from possible explosives), traces of thermite, WTC owner Larry Silverstein's admission (on PBS) that they decided to "pull" WTC 7 (pull is a demolition term). Prominent Physicist & Archaeometrist Dr.Steven Jones has conducted extensive research on 9/11, and is a founding member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth. WTC 7 housed offices for bank$ters Salomon Smith Barney, AMEX, IRS, the Secret Service, NYC Office of Emergency Management, DOD & CIA. Finally, the MSM is controlled by the Globalist Elite/PTB...who also control the GOP & DNC "leadership". The "Left vs. Right" paradigm is a control mechanism utilized by the PTB to dupe the sheeple in compliance with their (PTB) agenda.

Dr.Jones on Why the WTC Buildings Collapsed

Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice

WTC Owner Silverstein Admits Order to "Pull" WTC 7

BBC Reports WTC 7 Collapse...20 Minutes Before it Happens (You can see WTC 7 still standing behind the reporter)!!!

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[Don Wassall]

There's also the inconvenient fact for those pushing the government's line that there were people who made huge amounts of money in the stock market ahead of 9/11 betting on or against various companies that were either hurt by or benefittedfrom 9/11. http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html
The Warren Report has been almost totally discredited over the years; the official version of 9/11 is going the same route. There's been an interesting m.o. repeated over and over throughout American history of false flag events being used to justify going to war, and/or of actual events being greatly distorted and inflamed in order to demonize an enemy ("Remember the Maine!"). Unfortunately the sheeple fall for it every time, but thanks to the Internet it may not be so easy anymore.

 

[Don Wassall]

Will There Be A False Flag Operation To Implicate Iran?
By Paul Craig Roberts
18 March, 2010
According to news reports, the U.S. military is shipping "bunker-buster" bombs to the U.S. Air Force base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. The Herald Scotland reports that experts say the bombs are being assembled for an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. The newspaper quotes Dan Plesch, director of the Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy at the University of London: "They are gearing up totally for the destruction of Iran." [Final destination Iran?, March 14, 2010]
The next step will be a staged "terrorist attack," a "false flag" operation as per Operation Northwoods, for which Iran will be blamed. As Iran and its leadership have already been demonized, the "false flag" attack will suffice to obtain U.S. and European public support for bombing Iran. The bombing will include more than the nuclear facilities and will continue until the Iranians agree to regime change and the installation of a puppet government. The corrupt American media will present the new puppet as "freedom and democracy."
If the past is a guide, Americans will fall for the deception. In the February issue of "American Behavioral Scientist," a scholarly journal, Professor Lance DeHaven-Smith writes that state crimes against democracy (SCAD) involve government officials, often in combination with private interests, that engage in covert activities in order to implement an agenda. Examples include McCarthyism or the fabrication of evidence of communist infiltration, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution based on false claims of President Johnson and Pentagon chief McNamara that North Vietnam attacked a U.S. naval vessel, the burglary of the office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist in order to discredit Ellsberg ("The Pentagon Papers") as "disturbed," and the falsified "intelligence" that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction in order to justify the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
There are many other examples. I have always regarded the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Office Building in Oklahoma City as a SCAD. Allegedly, a disturbed Tim McVeigh used a fertilizer bomb in a truck parked outside the building. More likely, McVeigh was a patsy, whose fertilizer bomb was a cover for explosives planted inside the building.
A number of experts dismissed the possibility of McVeigh's bomb producing such structural damage. For example, General Benton K. Partin, who was in charge of U.S. Air Force munitions design and testing, produced a thick report on the Murrah building bombing which concluded that the building blew up from the inside out. Gen. Partin concluded that, "the pattern of damage would have been technically impossible without supplementary demolition charges at some of the reinforced concrete bases inside the building, a standard demolition technique. For a simplistic blast truck bomb, of the size and composition reported, to be able to reach out on the order of 60 feet and collapse a reinforced column base the size of column A7 is beyond credulity."
Gen. Partin dismissed the official report as "a massive cover-up of immense proportions."
Of course, the general's unquestionable expertise had no bearing on the outcome. One reason is that his and other expert voices were drowned out by media pumping the official story. Another reason is that public beliefs in a democracy run counter to suspicion of government as a terrorist agent. Professor Laurie Manwell of the University of Guelph says that "false flag" operations have the advantage over truth: "research shows that people are far less willing to examine information that disputes, rather than confirms, their beliefs." Professor Steven Hoffman agrees: "Our data shows substantial support for a cognitive theory known as 'motivated reasoning,' which suggests that rather than search rationally for information that either confirms or disconfirms a particular belief, people actually seek out information that confirms what they already believe. In fact, for the most part people completely ignore contrary information." Even when hard evidence turns up, it can be discredited as a "conspiracy theory."
All that is necessary for success of "false flag" or "black ops" events is for the government to have its story ready and to have a reliable and compliant media. Once an official story is in place, thought and investigation are precluded. Any formal inquiry that is convened serves to buttress the already provided explanation.
An explanation ready-at-hand is almost a give-away that an incident is a "black ops" event. Notice how quickly the U.S. government, allegedly so totally deceived by al-Qaida, provided the explanation for 9/11. When President Kennedy was assassinated, the government produced the culprit immediately. The alleged culprit was conveniently shot inside a jail by a civilian before he could be questioned. But the official story was ready, and it held.
Professors Manwell and Hoffman's research resonates with me. I remember reading in my graduate studies that the Czarist secret police set off bombs in order to create excuses to arrest their targets. My inclination was to dismiss the accounts as anti-Czarist propaganda by pro-communist historians. It was only later when Robert Conquest confirmed to me that this was indeed the practice of the Czarist secret police that the scales fell from my eyes.
Former CIA official Philip Giraldi in his article, "The Rogue Nation," makes it clear that the U.S. government has a hegemonic agenda that it is pursuing without congressional or public awareness. The agenda unfolds piecemeal as a response to "terrorism," and the big picture is not understood by the public or by most in Congress. Giraldi protests that the agenda is illegal under both U.S. and international law, but that the illegality of the agenda does not serve as a barrier. Only a naif could believe that such a government would not employ "false flag" operations that advance the agenda.
The U.S. population, it seems, is comprised of naïfs whose lack of comprehension is bringing ruin to other lands.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan's first term. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. paulcraigroberts@yahoo.com
http://www.countercurrents.org/roberts180310.htm

 

[sport historian]

There's also the inconvenient fact for those pushing the government's line that there were people who made huge amounts of money in the stock market ahead of 9/11 betting on or against various companies that were either hurt by or benefitted from 9/11.  http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html
<div></div>The Warren Report has been almost totally discredited over the years; the official version of 9/11 is going the same route.  There's been an interesting m.o. repeated over and over throughout American history of false flag events being used to justify going to war, and/or of actual events being greatly distorted and inflamed in order to demonize an enemy ("Remember the Maine!").  Unfortunately the sheeple fall for it every time, but thanks to the Internet it may not be so easy anymore.

The problem with the Warren Report was lack of complete information at the time. They didn't know of the Kennedy administration plots to kill Castro. This gave Castro a motive to kill JFK or it may have made anti-Castro Cubans upset with JFK for failing to kill Castro.

Jack Ruby's murder of Oswald more than anything made for the repurcussions that have lasted. If Oswald had gone to trial, the story would have died, at least among serious people.

Oswald, incidentally, was what we now call a cultural marxist. He was described by someone who knew him a "ferocious supporter of integration." Fellow members of that persuasion, such as Mark Lane, have used the JFK assasination for their own purpose.

 

[Highlander]

"The U.S. population, it seems, is comprised of naïfs whose lack of
comprehension is bringing ruin to other lands."

Although a very true statement, it's not only a "lack of
comprehension" but outright brainwashing of the American public that is a bigger reason for that.

The Military Industrial Complex has ultimate control over our MSM. It should be no surprise that CNN (Corporate News Network) put a "Psyops" expert from the military on their payroll in the Spring of 2001.

If you go outside of the United States, it's pretty common knowledge among the citizenry, and much of the press, that 9/11 was an inside job and that the Kennedy Assassination was a conspiracy.

Only brainwashed Americans (with the help of their MSM) could actually believe in something contrived and physics-defying as a "Magic Bullet Theory" to "convict" another "lone nut" assassin and explain away what was an obvious coup d'etat.

 

[PhillyBirds]

Paleocon, my apologies for the bad link. I've updated/edited that link, but here it is again. If you've not seen "Loose Change", I strongly advise watching it. Even if you don't believe 9/11 was a false flag, the documentary makes many valid points.

Dixie, while Loose Change is indeed a startling and influential film, it seems to be more flash than actual substance. While searching for more info on the documentary, I found this thouroughly researched guide to the film pointing out, as the author states:

I'll tell you now that in this hour and twenty-minute video I counted 81 errors of fact (statements like "1+1 = 3"Â￾). In addition, I counted 345 instances of conjecture not supported by evidence, logical fallacies, uses of images that do not support the conclusions being drawn, and other flubs. And that's only counting errors of commission.

It is very lengthy, but draws out, in detail, every bit of the film. I'm not sure where exactly I stand on the issue, as I hardly know all of the facts, especially substantiated ones. I do, however, strive to know all of the truths associated with a subject, which it appears Loose Changes lacks, to a degree.

 

[Observer]

Like Philly, I also cannot claim to know all of the facts. But there are two points very obvious to me; really, truisms: (1) there WAS/IS a conspiracy -- this is something everyone must agree on. The contention is WHO these conspiractors are: could this simply be a plot of a few Al-Qaida Muslims?

The second obvious point is that, at least concerning Building 7, this simply HAD TO BE an inside job. Heat rises, and heat from fire causes warming by transfer (rather than directly agitating molecules as in a microwave). Building 7 falls down in a near-symmetrical collapse. Heat from an adjacent fire does not do this -- unless at least this portion of the 9/11 conspiracy is an inside job.

Maybe there are two separate conspiracies in this 9/11 event, that of the airplanes and that of the rigged Building 7?

Or maybe it is standard practice among all scummy landlords to have their buildings rigged, just in case there is an opportunity to scam the insurance companies?

Paleocon, I think that your earlier post about "blow-back" is very reasonable in a general sense of foreign policy and other events, but I cannot see that it applies very well to the particular data associated with 9/11, even with the little bit of knowledge that I have about it.

I would also be surprised if a little jet fuel and kinetic energy could initiate the melting and then collapse of a structure like an American skyscraper, although I have not sat down to figure this out. I have done calculations on kinetic energy and melting of stone in geological events (meteors and earthquakes).

No matter what the exact truth of the matter is, there must be psychologists sitting at their desks somewhere who are simply watching this with glee, as they see how easily it is to dupe masses of people, even when the evidence is huge and right before their eyes.

 

[Kaptain]

Not all conspiracy theory facts are correct. In fact, none of them have to be in order to support an overall "cover-up" theory. You have it backwards if you think conspiracy theories have to prove themselves - its the officially accepted theory that has to prove itself. I've never seen loose change believe it or not, but I can easily see how at least a couple of things about the official version simply don't add up. In fact, I haven't seen much evidence at all as to exactly who did 911 and how did they do it. It's the biggest crime in American history and yet the average person knows extremely little about it. We know a ton more about the OJ Simpson murder than we do 911. Shouldn't we all know the details of 911 by now?

I think you can start at Tower 7 and work your way backwards. If anybody can supply evidence as to why tower 7 collapsed, then fine - that question will be answered. Then you can explain how a passport of a 911 suspect was found in excellent condition a few blocks from the site and turned over to the FBI before the towers collapsed. DNA evidence after that. Stock market questions after that - etc. If anybody gets passed the first question I will be shocked.

Until the big questions are answered, I find it silly to argue about what Larry Silverstein meant by "pull it", or any other little bitty questions.

If there was a conspiracy to do 911 it was not a large U.S. government conspiracy but a small elite group that could have infiltered certain positions. We all know what small elite group would be the main suspect. Are they capable of it? Absolutely - easily capable. In fact, I think that group could throw together a plan and pull it off within a week with exact same results. Has there been any recent cases of major crimes committed with fake passports??? You know, when they were actually caught in the act. Edited by: Kaptain Poop

 

[Don Wassall]

The neo-cons wrote for years of their intentions. They yearned for a "new Pearl Harbor" in order to rally the American people around their agenda of a totalitarian police state at home (in the name of "protecting freedom" of course) and perpetual war abroad, basically Israel's policies but on a much grander scale. Bush the Moron gets elected in a controversial election, dutifully fills his administration with neo-cons, and golly gee, within months Americaexperiences a"new Pearl Harbor." Again by sheer coincidence, the thousand page Patriot Actjust happens toalready be prepared for approval by Congress, and the neo-cons' agenda promptly takes flight with massive momentum in all directions.

In the eight years since, those same brilliant cave dwellers who outwitted the U.S. government, including all of its intelligence services and those of its allies, even miraculously causing the country's air tight defenses around its two most important targets, Washington D.C. and New York, to stand down, executing their incredibly complicated plans to perfection, haven't come up with anything more credible than a failed solitary shoe bomber and a failed solitary crotch bomber. Interesting too that no one in the federal government paid a price for the failures of 9/11; most received promotions and increased powers, kind of like what happened after Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Oklahoma City (following which another Patriot Act-like piece of legislation was passed).

The assassination of John Kennedy was a coup d'etat, the end of what was left of "Old America" and the institutionalization of Cultural Marxism on a permanent basis; 9/11 was another kind of coup d'etat, by Zionists and the military and its corporate boosters and providers, to overthrow what was left of constitutional restraints on the executive branch of government both here and abroad, and institute a regime of torture, assassination (murder) and multiple endless wars of aggression abroad.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

PhillyBirds, thanks for the feedback. I'm not saying "Loose Change" is error-free, but it does ask a bevy of valid questions. Here's another documentary showing explosions in the buildings (before the collapse), the buildings collapsing directly into their own footprints (violating the laws of inertia, conservation of energy, etc.).

9/11 Eyewitness (Part 1)

9/11 Eyewitness (Part 2)

9/11 Eyewitness (Part 3)

9/11 Eyewitness (Part 4)

9/11 Eyewitness (Part 5)

9/11 Eyewitness (Part 6)

9/11 Eyewitness (Part 7)

Edited by: DixieDestroyer

 

[Freethinker]

The neo-cons wrote for years of their intentions.  They yearned for a "new Pearl Harbor" in order to rally the American people around their agenda of a totalitarian police state at home (in the name of "protecting freedom" of course) and perpetual war abroad, basically Israel's policies but on a much grander scale.  Bush the Moron gets elected in a controversial election, dutifully fills his administration with neo-cons, and golly gee, within months America experiences a "new Pearl Harbor."  Again by sheer coincidence, the thousand page Patriot Act just happens to already be prepared for approval by Congress, and the neo-cons' agenda promptly takes flight with massive momentum in all directions. 
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<div>The assassination of John Kennedy was a coup d'etat, the end of what was left of "Old America" and the institutionalization of Cultural Marxism on a permanent basis; 9/11 was another kind of coup d'etat, by Zionists and the military and its corporate boosters and providers, to overthrow what was left of constitutional restraints on the executive branch of government both here and abroad, and institute a regime of torture, assassination (murder) and multiple endless wars of aggression abroad.  </div>
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Bingo!

 

[olivertejeda]

Okay I don't want to sound like a troll but this is pretty crazy. You all call yourselves nationalists and yet you believe a terrorist holocaust denier when he says that the most devastating domestic attack in our nations history was fabricated be our own government? All of these "9/11 was a hoax" conspiracies have been debunked over and over again. Our reason for going to war is that we got false information from the UN and the clinton administration saying that there were WMDs. 9/11 was caused by a bunch of pissed off terrorists not our own government. 3,000 deaths are not fabricated.

 

[StarWars]

Okay I don't want to sound like a troll but this is pretty crazy.  You all call yourselves nationalists and yet you believe a terrorist holocaust denier when he says that the most devastating domestic attack in our nations history was fabricated be our own government? All of these "9/11 was a hoax" conspiracies have been debunked over and over again. Our reason for going to war is that we got false information from the UN and the clinton administration saying that there were WMDs. 9/11 was caused by a bunch of pissed off terrorists not our own government. 3,000 deaths are not fabricated.

You read this whole thread before responding, right? I don't "believe him," I agree with him. Very different.

Also, I cannot help but admire honesty in today's world. It is very rare, and it's refreshing to see someone call the globalists out for once. They hate him!