30 years ago

[Ben Sharp Arrow]

It really does not seem like that long ago to me but there was a time when white corner backs roamed the playing field at a much greater rate than now.

USC started jason Sehorn and Mike Salmon in the same game. Slamon was a great all around athlete and is the brother of baseball great Tim Slamon.

I was Wisconsin play 2 corners the whole game in Korey Manley and Jeff Messenger. Manley graduated and Messenger was moved to his racially appointed safety position. I saw that duo play twice and no one ever really challenged them.

Colorado State started Ben Mastreapolo and Justin Gilmore. His brother was his twin John Gilmore that started at safety.

Penn State played a really good corner in Derek Bochna. Outside of Ethan Kilmer PSU has not had a white corner since.

Arizona State in the not so distant future played Josh Golden and Brett Hudson together. Hudson moved over from safety and wound up intercepting 4 passes in 1994 I believe.

Iowa had Joe Slattery, Tim Dodge, and the great cover guy in Scott Plate.

Boston College and Utah and BYU used to play white corners through the years. BC had one Irish guy cover great his senior year and he died of Leukemia the next.

San Diego State had Damon Pieri. Nebraska had Pat Ricketts.

With the help of Phil Steels I have found 22 white corners on the 3 or 4 deep this year among the 10 to 11 that should get playing time.

The question remains ..... what the hell happened to the white corner other than a caste system entrenching itself ?

 

[BeyondFedUp]

Your last sentence answered itself. No doubt about it.

 

[SneakyQuick]

The combination of kids getting racially slotted at earlier ages now is probably the biggest part of it I would guess. If you couple that with a general desire to not want to play football among white kids at schools which have a decently large black percentage then that probably takes care of most of the rest. (Thanks forced school integration).

Guys that played college ball in the early to mid 90s were born 70-76 and probably played youth football in around 1986 or so. The mid 1980s are so culturally distant from where we are now it might as well be the 1950s

for a kid to play college ball now means he was born in the early 2000s and started youth football while Barry O was still president.
If you think of that In those terms it makes a lot of sense. Plus let’s face it, are most high school football coaches geniuses looking to uncover talent or are they the kind of guys to take the easy way out and just play a kid where he “looks” like he should play ?

I went to college in the early to mid 90s so I remember most of the guys you just mentioned and all I can think of is that this is a total shame.
I never encouraged my son to play football much, but if you want to see more white players in college I guess being an open minded high school coach is probably the swiftest way to get more guys to break out of this.
If anyone else has any better solutions for this please say so

 

[Rocky B]

Whoever ranks kids while in high school has to take a lot of the blame.....We were talking last year about how many Texas teams that are predominantly white, win state titles.. Where are the kids on those teams ranked???.....Pine Richland in Pittsburgh kicks ass....Are the kids going to Pitt/WVU,etc.....nope...

 

[Leonardfan]

It's really just the combination of everything - kids get racially slotted in high school, the White players who play the black positions at a high level in high school get completely discriminated against by recruiters, college coaches, the recruiting sites, all of the camps and their headcoachs who "have no idea why big schools are not recruiting the White player" do not call out the blatantly obvious discrimination their White players face.

 

[Don Wassall]

It's really just the combination of everything - kids get racially slotted in high school, the White players who play the black positions at a high level in high school get completely discriminated against by recruiters, college coaches, the recruiting sites, all of the camps and their head coaches who "have no idea why big schools are not recruiting the White player" do not call out the blatantly obvious discrimination their White players face.

Spot on. And the corporate media combine with the NFL to create the image of a sport effortlessly dominated by Black "super-athletes," similar to basketball and sprinting. Same with the SEC and college football in general. Coaches also undoubtedly fear negative consequences for recognizing and calling out the obvious. Big-time sports, like big corporations and big government, all march in unison to the same agenda and narratives and those who want to prosper in the current unitary system know what the written and unwritten rules are. And when someone occasionally forgets or otherwise slips up, they're made a national example of and ruined.

 

[SneakyQuick]

In that article on Scotty Miller the author wrote

“football powerhouse Bowling Green”

now while bowling green has not been anywhere near a national title in at least 40 years and probably longer what does that have to do with the fact that Miller is potentially the quickest wideout in the nfl?


Absolutely nothing but is eastern Washington a football powerhouse? Nope. But Cooper Kupp is the best in the business.


An honest reporter would ask why a guy who was as quick as Scotty Miller couldn’t have found his way onto a bigger program? But that is way to much to ask for from the media.

perfect storm indeed

 

[white lightning]

It's really just the combination of everything - kids get racially slotted in high school, the White players who play the black positions at a high level in high school get completely discriminated against by recruiters, college coaches, the recruiting sites, all of the camps and their headcoachs who "have no idea why big schools are not recruiting the White player" do not call out the blatantly obvious discrimination their White players face.

One thing to add is that it starts way before high school. This goes on in Pop Warner all the time. If you don't believe me go investigate. They start young just like with the pedophiles grooming.

 

[Bucky]

It is sad that there are more White Rappers than White Corners/RBs..

 

[Ben Sharp Arrow]

I think when you have teams like Wisconsin who have 5 out of 6 white safeties currently on the 3 deep but 8 out their 4 deep at corner are black says something. I just don't see how its so hard to backpedal and turn and run with a receiver. BYU used to have a lot of black corners that never broke 4.70 in the 40 and they excelled in zone coverage. to me based on years of watching SPARQ combine stats blacks on average have better straight line speed than whites but whites aer quicker in the 3 cone drill which covers burst and change of direction skills. The all time leading 3 cone drill for high school times is still Jets WR , Braxton Berrios. I think most coaches white or black are afraid to play a white corner because of the caste stereotype.
Highly ranked 2023 cb , John Nestor is being moved to safety at Iowa not because of his race but after watching his 9 minute of defensive highlights yesterday the kid is cat quick into the backfield and is an excellent wrap up tackler. He is a dominant cover corner and I hope Iowa realizes it before the conversion takes place.

 

[SneakyQuick]

It’s even Debatable whether or not there is a material distance in speed between whites and blacks in the distances that matter in football.


Even in the vaunted 100m the differences are maybe .3 seconds if u accept that the Jamaicans are as clean as Rohan Browning or whomever.

Most football plays take place over less than 30 yards so that difference would not be material.

it seems like the slotting is quite well ingrained which is why it’s so hard to stomach watching modern football.

it’s also why hip swivel and things like it are invented. It helps distract from the fact that when it comes to playing cornerback whites need not apply.

Don’t forget they always say that being a cornerback requires the most athleticism of all positions. I don’t know if that is actually true or not (anyone here who played legit organized football can comment better) but if you then never let a white kid play corner It helps reinforce the belief in black athletic superiority.

Just imagine if that Jones kid from Cornell a cpl years ago had gotten a sniff at a training camp and done ok. A white Ivy League kid shutting down real athletes? Can’t allow that to happen.

john dockery is probably the last Ivy League corner the league will ever see.