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This mock draft for the Bucs has them taking Shipley late in the second round (57th overall): https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/brs_2024_buccaneers_3_round_mock_draft_30/s1_17135_39918407

This article has him as the fourth best RB in the draft: https://draftwire.usatoday.com/lists/2024-nfl-draft-running-back-top-5-rankings-1-0/
I’m actually shocked the DWFs didn’t destroy Shipley in their mock drafts and rankings because his down year. Let’s hope nfl teams like him and he’s a day 2 pick at worst
 
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I’m actually shocked the DWFs didn’t destroy Shipley in their mock drafts and rankings because his down year. Let’s hope nfl teams like him and he’s a day 2 pick at worst
This shows how high school ratings can follow players, even white players, into the NFL. Not saying Shipley doesn't deserve it, but if he's a 0-2 star like virtually every other white RB he would have no draft stock and stay in school. The problem is, our guys are consistently undervalued by the recruiting services, even more so than the NFL scouts in my opinion. So it usually works against us, and this is the rare exception where it was beneficial.
 

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I’m shocked the ratings for him are this high. Based on his talent alone, it is well-deserved.

But based on his race, I remain skeptical.
However, if he does get drafted in the first 3-4 rounds, even after a down year, I think it is safe to say the McCaffrey Effect is in play.
 

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This shows how high school ratings can follow players, even white players, into the NFL. Not saying Shipley doesn't deserve it, but if he's a 0-2 star like virtually every other white RB he would have no draft stock and stay in school. The problem is, our guys are consistently undervalued by the recruiting services, even more so than the NFL scouts in my opinion. So it usually works against us, and this is the rare exception where it was beneficial.
Completely true, recruiting services are a self perpetuating industry that discriminates against whites and overrates blacks. It’s certainly not about scouting the country for the best football players
 

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I’m actually shocked the DWFs didn’t destroy Shipley in their mock drafts and rankings because his down year. Let’s hope nfl teams like him and he’s a day 2 pick at worst
It probably helps a lot that Mccaffrey lead the league in rushing this year. Makes DWFs and scouts questions the caste process a little bit
 

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This shows how high school ratings can follow players, even white players, into the NFL. Not saying Shipley doesn't deserve it, but if he's a 0-2 star like virtually every other white RB he would have no draft stock and stay in school. The problem is, our guys are consistently undervalued by the recruiting services, even more so than the NFL scouts in my opinion. So it usually works against us, and this is the rare exception where it was beneficial.
Bingo! Great insight.
 

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NFL Combine list is out. I have read this same script for the past 15 years.

321 total invites - 6 specialists = 315 skill position invites. 60 of these players are White so 19% of combine invites are White. Again it does not deviate from the SCRIPT!

The NFL is very much scripted if you ask me! Go back through any draft thread for at least the past 15 years and you will find a very similar number for the % of Combine invites. In late April the number of White athletes drafted will also hover around 20% like it does every year.

QUARTERBACKS - 8/14​

  • Sam Hartman, Notre Dame
  • Devin Leary, Kentucky
  • Drake Maye, North Carolina
  • J.J. McCarthy, Michigan
  • Bo Nix, Oregon
  • Michael Pratt, Tulane
  • Austin Reed, Western Kentucky
  • Kedon Slovis, BYU

RUNNING BACKS - 3/29​

  • Dylan Laube, New Hampshire
  • Cody Schrader, Missouri
  • Will Shipley, Clemson

WIDE RECEIVERS - 3/39​

  • Luke McCaffrey, Rice
  • Ladd McConkey, Georgia
  • Ricky Pearsall, Florida

TIGHT ENDS - 9/16​

  • AJ Barner, Michigan
  • Brock Bowers, Georgia
  • Dallin Holker, Colorado State
  • Tanner McLachlan, Arizona
  • Tip Reiman, Illinois
  • Ben Sinnott, Kansas State
  • Cade Stover, Ohio State
  • Jack Westover, Washington
  • Jared Wiley, TCU

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN - 28/70​

  • Joe Alt, Notre Dame
  • Karsen Barnhart, Michigan
  • Graham Barton, Duke
  • Cooper Beebe, Kansas State
  • Keaton Bills, Utah
  • Tanor Bortolini, Wisconsin
  • Frank Crum, Wyoming
  • Ethan Driskell, Marshall
  • Zach Frazier, West Virginia
  • Nick Gargiulo, South Carolina
  • Matt Goncalves, Pittsburgh
  • Garret Greenfield, South Dakota State
  • C.J. Hanson, Holy Cross
  • Trevor Keegan, Michigan
  • Jarrett Kingston, USC
  • Brady Latham, Arkansas
  • Matt Lee, Miami
  • Beaux Limmer, Arkansas
  • Mason McCormick, South Dakota State
  • Dylan McMahon, N.C. State
  • Hunter Nourzad, Penn State
  • Drake Nugent, Michigan
  • Jackson Powers-Johnson, Oregon
  • Andrew Raym, Oklahoma
  • Roger Rosengarten, Washington
  • Nick Samac, Michigan State
  • Jalen Sundell, North Dakota State
  • Zak Zinter, Michigan

DEFENSIVE LINEMEN - 3/50​

  • Braden Fiske, Florida State
  • Logan Lee, Iowa
  • Braiden McGregor, Michigan

LINEBACKERS - 4/30​

  • JD Bertrand, Notre Dame
  • Tommy Eichenberg, Ohio State
  • Easton Gibbs, Wyoming
  • Payton Wilson, N.C. State

DEFENSIVE BACKS - 2/67​

  • Cole Bishop, Utah
  • Cooper DeJean, Iowa
 

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9/147 Defenders sucks.

We lose ground every year at OL and now it’s below 50 percent there.

On top of that no Steele, though I know 3 honkey RBs invited is already costing black men jobs.
 

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9/16 for te! The nfl must be getting tired of seeing so many white te’s humiliating black defenders. 3/39 wr is a joke and yes the ol is a very sore spot bc we all know a snowplow line is the best line. Ol for me is like qb and te where white players are so much superior we should see 80-90% of our guys playing
 

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Thanks for the depressing list. Where the eff is Carson Steele?!?
There is no way he was going to get an invite. He made a huge mistake, first going to UCLA where he was not the main guy, and again declaring early after an average season.

Who is advising our guys, especially at the positions whites are “not allowed to play,” to declare when they have virtually zero chance of being drafted?
 

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The plus side of this is Cody Schroeder played himself into the combine. He had an elite senior year, the kind that cannot be ignored.

Shipley is likely there because of his versatility and his ranking out of high school, like many of you have said.

Laube is getting very positive press, surprisingly, so he is a great one to watch. McCaffrey-esque in his ability to pressure defenses both on the ground and in the air.

Steele had a sub-par year for a running back. Not due to his own issues but because he split time at UCLA. He stats were down and he didn’t wow anyone who is entrenched in the caste system the way Cody did.
 

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There is no way he was going to get an invite. He made a huge mistake, first going to UCLA where he was not the main guy, and again declaring early after an average season.

Who is advising our guys, especially at the positions whites are “not allowed to play,” to declare when they have virtually zero chance of being drafted?
As I said in an earlier post, UCLA showed the most interest in Steele according to reports. What was he supposed to do? Stay at Ball State? Maybe, but he wanted more exposure and I get it. Guy has a ton of guts to move out to LA.
He was THE feature back in the beginning from the games I watched. He was the starter. He fumbled in one game 2-3 times and @$$hole Kelly demoted him to second string for the rest of the season. He averaged 5.1 yards per carry and 9.5 per reception. He would have easily rushed for 1,000 yards if Kelly hadn't of screwed him.
With that said, I wished he would have stayed another year and beat out Harden for the starting position.
Let's hope Steele has a helluva pro day work out and makes it. I'll be rooting for him.
 

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As I said in an earlier post, UCLA showed the most interest in Steele according to reports. What was he supposed to do? Stay at Ball State? Maybe, but he wanted more exposure and I get it. Guy has a ton of guts to move out to LA.
He was THE feature back in the beginning from the games I watched. He was the starter. He fumbled in one game 2-3 times and @$$hole Kelly demoted him to second string for the rest of the season. He averaged 5.1 yards per carry and 9.5 per reception. He would have easily rushed for 1,000 yards if Kelly hadn't of screwed him.
With that said, I wished he would have stayed another year and beat out Harden for the starting position.
Let's hope Steele has a helluva pro day work out and makes it. I'll be rooting for him.
There is no doubt he would have rushed for over 1,000 yards if he was wasn’t demoted to a timeshare (similar to what happened to Shipley) and it sucks it panned out that way.

I really think he should have stayed at UCLA and you never know how he would have done the following year. He puts up a monster season and he becomes next year’s Cody Schroeder. Too good to ignore.

I think he was absolutely crush his pro day workout as he has ALL the makings of a stud feature back, a true bellcow. I hope it will be enough for a team to take a chance on him. Whoever does will be thoroughly impressed.
 

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There is no doubt he would have rushed for over 1,000 yards if he was wasn’t demoted to a timeshare (similar to what happened to Shipley) and it sucks it panned out that way.

I really think he should have stayed at UCLA and you never know how he would have done the following year. He puts up a monster season and he becomes next year’s Cody Schroeder. Too good to ignore.

I think he was absolutely crush his pro day workout as he has ALL the makings of a stud feature back, a true bellcow. I hope it will be enough for a team to take a chance on him. Whoever does will be thoroughly impressed.
Yeah. My concern is he might get the Ryan Nall treatment.
 

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Yeah. My concern is he might get the Ryan Nall treatment.
I agree. I think his ability to emasculate black defenders is why he was not given an invite while the three smaller backs were.

What made Hillis so special, even though his time was brief, was the way he punished and emasculated black defenses. He made them look like boys.

I think this is the exact reason why Zander Horvath and Ryan Nall were never given a chance. They wpuld have had that ability too.

Carson Steele has that same size and style to show the physical dominance of white men.
 

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NFL Combine list is out. I have read this same script for the past 15 years.

321 total invites - 6 specialists = 315 skill position invites. 60 of these players are White so 19% of combine invites are White. Again it does not deviate from the SCRIPT!

The NFL is very much scripted if you ask me! Go back through any draft thread for at least the past 15 years and you will find a very similar number for the % of Combine invites. In late April the number of White athletes drafted will also hover around 20% like it does every year.

QUARTERBACKS - 8/14​

  • Sam Hartman, Notre Dame
  • Devin Leary, Kentucky
  • Drake Maye, North Carolina
  • J.J. McCarthy, Michigan
  • Bo Nix, Oregon
  • Michael Pratt, Tulane
  • Austin Reed, Western Kentucky
  • Kedon Slovis, BYU

RUNNING BACKS - 3/29​

  • Dylan Laube, New Hampshire
  • Cody Schrader, Missouri
  • Will Shipley, Clemson

WIDE RECEIVERS - 3/39​

  • Luke McCaffrey, Rice
  • Ladd McConkey, Georgia
  • Ricky Pearsall, Florida

TIGHT ENDS - 9/16​

  • AJ Barner, Michigan
  • Brock Bowers, Georgia
  • Dallin Holker, Colorado State
  • Tanner McLachlan, Arizona
  • Tip Reiman, Illinois
  • Ben Sinnott, Kansas State
  • Cade Stover, Ohio State
  • Jack Westover, Washington
  • Jared Wiley, TCU

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN - 28/70​

  • Joe Alt, Notre Dame
  • Karsen Barnhart, Michigan
  • Graham Barton, Duke
  • Cooper Beebe, Kansas State
  • Keaton Bills, Utah
  • Tanor Bortolini, Wisconsin
  • Frank Crum, Wyoming
  • Ethan Driskell, Marshall
  • Zach Frazier, West Virginia
  • Nick Gargiulo, South Carolina
  • Matt Goncalves, Pittsburgh
  • Garret Greenfield, South Dakota State
  • C.J. Hanson, Holy Cross
  • Trevor Keegan, Michigan
  • Jarrett Kingston, USC
  • Brady Latham, Arkansas
  • Matt Lee, Miami
  • Beaux Limmer, Arkansas
  • Mason McCormick, South Dakota State
  • Dylan McMahon, N.C. State
  • Hunter Nourzad, Penn State
  • Drake Nugent, Michigan
  • Jackson Powers-Johnson, Oregon
  • Andrew Raym, Oklahoma
  • Roger Rosengarten, Washington
  • Nick Samac, Michigan State
  • Jalen Sundell, North Dakota State
  • Zak Zinter, Michigan

DEFENSIVE LINEMEN - 3/50​

  • Braden Fiske, Florida State
  • Logan Lee, Iowa
  • Braiden McGregor, Michigan

LINEBACKERS - 4/30​

  • JD Bertrand, Notre Dame
  • Tommy Eichenberg, Ohio State
  • Easton Gibbs, Wyoming
  • Payton Wilson, N.C. State

DEFENSIVE BACKS - 2/67​

  • Cole Bishop, Utah
  • Cooper DeJean, Iowa
Great post brother and appreciate your excellent research as always. They sure are following the Caste script, that the Law of Averages easily disproves since there is never a wide divergence up or down from that settled upon 20% mark.

Everyone here is upset about Steele’s omission and rightfully so. However I believe that pales in comparison to the suppression of White representation at defensive line and linebacker. The case for White linebackers is obvious if you watch the NFL. Nearly 90% or more can be plugged in and will almost always lead the team (or be close) in tackles. They are just naturally the best combo of athleticism, instincts and intelligence needed to excel at the position. The defensive line is another easily observable farce that the NFL manufactures. Whites are strong (evidenced by Worlds Strongest Man and Olympic Weightlifting) and have great short burst (NFL combines). They also “over-perform” on the field given their tiny percentage. In the regular season 3 of the top 6 sack leaders were White (Watt, Hendrickson and Crosby) and in the postseason it was 4 of the top 5 (Hutchinson, Karlaftis, Bosa and Hinish). In no universe are only 3 of the top 50 college Dlinemen White. This is affirmative action on steroids.
 
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I don't use this word often or loosely, but 9 out of 147 defensive players being White is criminal, simply overwhelming evidence on its face of massive, systematic discrimination, the end result of racial discrimination that begins at the Pop Warner level and gets successively worse each step along the way, culminating in the Combine invites and NFL Draft.

And just 28 White o-linemen out of 70 is almost as bad if not just as bad. But it will continue and continue to slowly get worse until there is more exposure and pushback than just Caste Football.
 

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Great post brother and appreciate your excellent research as always. They sure are following the Caste script, that the Law of Averages easily disproves since there is never a wide divergence up or down from that settled upon 20% mark.

Everyone here is upset about Steele’s omission and rightfully so. However I believe that pales in comparison to the suppression of White representation at defensive line and linebacker. The case for White linebackers is obvious if you watch the NFL. Nearly 90% or more can be plugged in and will almost always lead the team (or be close) in tackles. They are just naturally the best combo of athleticism, instincts and intelligence needed to excel at the position. The defensive line is another easily observable farce that the NFL manufactures. Whites are strong (evidenced by Worlds Strongest Man and Olympic Weightlifting) and have great short burst (NFL combines). They also “over-perform” on the field given their tiny percentage. In the regular season 3 of the top 6 sack leaders were White (Watt, Hendrickson and Crosby) and in the postseason it was 4 of the top 5 (Hutchinson, Karlaftis, Bosa and Hinish). In no universe are only 3 of the top 50 college linemen black. This is affirmative action on steroids.
Excellent points. Whites should really be over represented at linebacker, defensive ends and defensive tackles given all their elite marks in diagnostic abilities, strength, quickness and speed. Say nothing for having better motors.
 

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I don't use this word often or loosely, but 9 out of 147 defensive players being White is criminal, simply overwhelming evidence on its face of massive, systematic discrimination, the end result of racial discrimination that begins at the Pop Warner level and gets successively worse each step along the way, culminating in the Combine invites and NFL Draft.

And just 28 White o-linemen out of 70 is almost as bad if not just as bad. But it will continue and continue to slowly get worse until there is more exposure and pushback than just Caste Football.
In favor of a lawsuit yet?
 

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In favor of a lawsuit yet?
I've never been against one, but not as long as one has a .001 percent chance of success. And with the ever increasing weaponization of the legal system I don't see the odds improving yet.
 

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Thanks Leonardfan for the "Breakdown" NFL Combine invites ....
Man that 9/147 on Defense is messed up! Agreed Don with the O-Line! Play has been down at that position too.

Yeah Freethinker ...weird huh? No deviation to speak of what so ever!

Not much to be added that was already said with Carson Steele! One positive he's got fresh legs + should play with a chip-on-his shoulder for being looked over! Even if it means a Rookie season being on a Practice Squad; that's OK. Year 2 wouldn't surprise to see him get plenty carries!

This is an important year at the RB position with 3 invites !
And just saw a Christian McCaffrey commercial on TV...

Arguments could be made for WR's Drake Stoops(Oklahoma) ; Xavier Restrepo (Miami FL) to be invited...and even FCS Hayden Hatten (Idaho) & Jaxon Janke (So.Dakota State)....some of these guys could stick on 53 man rosters Drafted or not!

If Notre Dame D-lineman (6'-5" 296) Rylie Mills were black he would have been invited

I have noticed a bit of backlash on chat boards defending white athletes lately.
 
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For whatever it's worth, SI has the four White RBs we discuss in its top 20, with Steele being 20. Schrader is 7th, Shipley is 10th and Laube is 12th. https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/2...ck-trey-benson-jonathon-brooks-marshawn-lloyd

It's interesting that the corporate sports media is being a bit more respectful of White athleticism at "skill positions" and TV announcers and analysts have notably improved in recent years, yet the same old same old 20% maximum White representation is seemingly as rigidly cemented in place as ever, while slowly getting worse as the push to replace White QBs and o-linemen continues while the obscene "whiteout" of White defensive players also seems to be getting worse even as the miniscule White minority in the NFL shines on defense every season. If more would intelligently and in a fair-minded way point out the NFL's very longstanding DEI policies on public forums and comments after articles and videos, it's possible the dam might break a bit given the widespread awareness and condemmnation of DEI in general. Who knows, maybe even a White athlete or two might say something given the current political atmosphere.
 
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