2024-'25 NBA Team Watchability

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There was some discussion in the main NBA thread about how more and more teams seem to be integrating white contributors into their lineups. I thought I'd take a stab at a "viewer's guide" that gives a rough outline of who we might find enjoyable here.

I've chosen a simple three-tier sorting system. Generally, the "1 vs 1" and "1 vs 2" matchups will be games worth tracking. You might also appreciate a "1" beating a "3" in the right situation. A "2 vs 2" is stretching things a bit too thin. Bear in mind that I personally can't stand to watch a full NBA game at least until the playoffs, sticking instead to highlights and box scores.

By the numbers, roughly half (14/30) of the teams have something worth supporting, so about 25% of all games could be considered palatable, ethnically diverse, or at the very least probably won't immediately make you want to blow your brains out.

Feel free to echo or disagree with my assessments here. If injuries or trades shake up a rotation, please note it here, too! We can keep nightly updates and general roster management discussion to the main thread.

Tier One - Watchable:

Dallas Mavericks
: Doncic is the best player in the league and extremely high-usage: not a single other white on the active roster but still fascinating. Maxi Kleber might eventually get healthy enough to play again.

Denver Nuggets: Jokic will always also be the best player on the court during any game. Christian Braun starts and will see his role and stats fill out as the year progresses.

Miami Heat: Tyler Herro is a consistent scorer although only the 3rd most important player on the team (until Butler is traded). Nikola Jovic is a low-usage starter, Duncan Robinson and White Mexican Jaime Jacquez Jr are regular rotation contributors. Pelle Larsson hasn’t gotten off the bench yet. Spoelstra is probably the “best” coach in the league.

Sacramento Kings: Domantas Sabots is an all-star, Kevin Huerter is still a reliable low-usage starter. The Kings also find minutes for center Alex Len and the ageless Doug McDermott.

Chicago Bulls: Josh Giddey and Nicola Vucevic are featured starters perhaps a half-tier below all-star status. Rookie Matas Buzelis is being phased into minutes very slowly.

Toronto Raptors: This one is a shocker! Gradey Dick’s racial apprenticeship lasted only one year; now, he’s a starter and very quickly one of the best players on the team. Jakob Poetl is a reliable starting center with occasional big nights, especially rebounding. Backup Kelly Olynyk is currently hurt.

Utah Jazz: Lauri Markkanen is an all-star, Walker Kessler is back in the starting lineup as a blocks and rebounds monster, and Kyle Filipowski is being phased into minutes despite sliding into the 2nd round of this summer’s draft. Svi Mykhailiuk and Drew Eubanks are at the end of the bench. The only downside is that the team is pretty lousy.

Tier Two - Mildly Interesting

LA Lakers:
Austin Reaves is the 3rd best player on the team and occasionally goes off for a big night. Rookie Dalton Knecht is already proving hard to keep on the bench. Former career overachiever JJ Redick has a lot of eyes on him as a rookie coach.

Oklahoma City Thunder: Chet Holmgren is a borderline all-star and the 2nd best player on the team, although he still has games with low stat tallies. Alex Caruso is a top defender off the bench but hasn't been featured much this season; Isaiah Hartenstein (impure race) will back up Holmgren. Rookie Nikola Topic is out for the year.

Boston Celtics: Porzingis gives about a half-season of healthy all-star level performance. Peyton Pritchard (a bit Asian!) is a trusted 6th man, Sam Hauser and Luke Kornet are backups with solidified roles. Drew Peterson and Baylor Scheierman are hanging around waiting.

Orlando Magic: Franz Wagner continues to start since receiving a maximum contract extension after his rookie deal. His older brother Moe is a key piece on the second unit. Mac McClung is floating around.

Memphis Grizzliies: Zach Edey (Himalayan!) starts and is the favorite to win RoY by filling the box score. Jake LaRavia is still a fairly young big with an expanding bench role, John Konchar has been around for awhile, Jay Huff just got a full-time promotion from the G-League, and Colin Castleton and 5’6 Japanese guard Yuki Kawamura are on 2-way contracts.

Houston Rockets: Alperen Sengun (Turk!) is approaching all-star status. Steven Adams (partial Maori!) factors in off the bench, and logic dictates that rookie Reed Sheppard simply must play more eventually. Jock Landale and Jack McVeigh round out the roster.

Phoenix Suns: Jusuf Nurkic starts at center, primarily just to rebound. Grayson Allen has been pushed to the bench and is inexplicably being phased out of minutes. He was so important last year! Mason Plumlee is still one of the best rebounding backup bigs in the league. I almost moved the Suns down to the lowest tier since their gameplan seems to be force-feeding shots to their “Big Three” exclusively.

Tier Three - Unimportant

Atlanta Hawks:
Garrison Matthews is now a veteran journeyman bench spark plug.

Washington Wizards: Jonas Valanciunas is better than the younger center he now backs up. Corey Kispert signed a longterm deal at a team-friendly number, so Washington will either green-light his shooting to build up his trade value (great!) or let him carve out a bigger role around their young future stars (yeah, right).

Cleveland Cavaliers: Dean Wade is a low-usage starter, Sam Merrill finally finished a four-year racial apprenticeship and gets a few shots a game off the bench.

LA Clippers: Ivica Zubac is shattering his steady career-best averages early on amidst this doomed roster. He’s the only white player.

Milwaukee Bucks: Brook Lopez still starts and does some things very well, although we’ve never really endorsed him officially here. Pat “the Stat” Connaughton has only been used as a “3 and D” bench guy for years now. The 25 yr old rookie center Liam Robbins is on a 2-way deal.

Minnesota Timberwolves: Donte DiVincenzo isn’t even getting 6th Man minutes after taking the Knicks deep into the playoffs as a starter. Joe Ingles is a part-time player at this point, and Luka Garza still doesn’t play at all.

Golden State Warriors: Brandin Podziemski is the second guy off the bench and will eventually get a promotion somewhere.

Indiana Pacers: TJ McConnell is content to be the backup PG with ever-shrinking minutes. Rookie Johnny Furfy doesn’t play.

Detroit Pistons: Italian swing forward Simone Fontecchio is a rotation player.

NY Knicks: Tyler Kolek is on the deep bench

San Antonio Spurs: Zach Collins and Sandro Mamukelashvili are low-usage backup bigs

Portland Trail Blazers: Israeli jew Deni Avdija is currently starting, and Donovan Clingan is slowly being worked into rotation minutes.

Charlotte Hornets: Vasilije Micic, a Serbian point guard, doesn’t play.

Brooklyn Nets: nothing

New Orleans Pelicans: nothing

Philadelphia 76ers: nothing
 
Great work! The raptors being watchable is incredible, next it’ll be the 2025 ravens
 
Isaiah Hartenstein (impure race), Zach Edey (Himalayan) lmao! Great stuff.
 
Jimmy Butler is a very dedicated and hard-working player. He's also extremely talented and has found a "will to win" during quite a few playoff games and series. He's never been a shoe-in for all-star games like plenty of his equally-recognizable peers.

He's also got some sort of rot in his soul where he can't ever be happy, kinda like the Johnny Ringo character from the movie 'Tombstone.' He is on a literal $50 million contract per year in perhaps the most preferred city of pro athletes from all over the world, and he just declared that he "wants to get his joy back playing basketball elsewhere."



Yeah sure, it's tone-deaf. He's losing shots to Tyler Herro. The upcoming Butler trade should hopefully shake up this boring league.

Also:
Orlando: Mo Wagner out for the season, Franz out for a month, Magic a ZERO

Dallas: with Doncic out for a length, Dallas is a zero

The Kings are floundering a bit with their status. Sabonis is adjusting now to a new coach, Huerter now comes off the bench. I'd downgrade them to Tier 2 for the moment.
 
At this point, if there’s one team that I will watch, it’s Denver. Jokic is a generational talent at the peak of his powers. Also, Braun is finally getting starter minutes, and is fun to watch. I’ll watch Luka when he comes back. That’s about it for me.
 
Jimmy Butler is a very dedicated and hard-working player. He's also extremely talented and has found a "will to win" during quite a few playoff games and series. He's never been a shoe-in for all-star games like plenty of his equally-recognizable peers.

He's also got some sort of rot in his soul where he can't ever be happy, kinda like the Johnny Ringo character from the movie 'Tombstone.' He is on a literal $50 million contract per year in perhaps the most preferred city of pro athletes from all over the world, and he just declared that he "wants to get his joy back playing basketball elsewhere."



Yeah sure, it's tone-deaf. He's losing shots to Tyler Herro. The upcoming Butler trade should hopefully shake up this boring league.

Also:
Orlando: Mo Wagner out for the season, Franz out for a month, Magic a ZERO

Dallas: with Doncic out for a length, Dallas is a zero

The Kings are floundering a bit with their status. Sabonis is adjusting now to a new coach, Huerter now comes off the bench. I'd downgrade them to Tier 2 for the moment.

Good stuff! I’ve been laid up on the couch for a couple weeks looking for things to watch so I tuned into the NBA game time to watch the highlights all of the teams were mainly all black just launching threes or dunking pretty boring to watch.
 
Watching some of The Memphis Grizzlies game from last night they could move up from mildly interesting to watchable! Memphis 27-15 record, handily defeated the unimportant The San Antonio Spurs 140-112. The Grizzlies started Zach Edey, but just 7 minutes into the game Edey was bludgeoned in the nose and did not return. Memphis also started former Duke player Luke Kennard whom I thought was at least in his mid-30's by now, but he is still just 28 years old. Kennard finished with 17 points, 6/9, and 4 assists. Jake LaRavia played 33 minutes scored 4 points and had 8 rebounds, 5 assists. However, the leading scorer Spainard Santi Aldama who came off the bench went 10/19 and scored a game high 29 points/ 8 rebounds! As Phall mentioned in the initial write up, they have reserves Jay Huff, 4 points and 3 rebounds and John Konchar.
But the big surprise is a 5 8' Japanese born player Yuki Kawamura. He only played 2 minutes. I'm not quite sure how he's on an NBA roster and Mac McClung isn't. DEI maybe?
Anyway, Memphis may be a team to watch if Edey and Kennard can continue to start, and somehow Aldama could work his way in, and LaRavia keeps getting plenty of playing time.
 
Watching some of The Memphis Grizzlies game from last night they could move up from mildly interesting to watchable! Memphis 27-15 record, handily defeated the unimportant The San Antonio Spurs 140-112. The Grizzlies started Zach Edey, but just 7 minutes into the game Edey was bludgeoned in the nose and did not return. Memphis also started former Duke player Luke Kennard whom I thought was at least in his mid-30's by now, but he is still just 28 years old. Kennard finished with 17 points, 6/9, and 4 assists. Jake LaRavia played 33 minutes scored 4 points and had 8 rebounds, 5 assists. However, the leading scorer Spainard Santi Aldama who came off the bench went 10/19 and scored a game high 29 points/ 8 rebounds! As Phall mentioned in the initial write up, they have reserves Jay Huff, 4 points and 3 rebounds and John Konchar.
But the big surprise is a 5 8' Japanese born player Yuki Kawamura. He only played 2 minutes. I'm not quite sure how he's on an NBA roster and Mac McClung isn't. DEI maybe?
Anyway, Memphis may be a team to watch if Edey and Kennard can continue to start, and somehow Aldama could work his way in, and LaRavia keeps getting plenty of playing time.
The Grizzlies won their 4th game in row as Luke Kennard and Zach Edey both started. Kennard continues his resurgence scoring 27 points in 27 minutes. While Edey had 13 points and 11 boards. John Konchar got 22 minutes and Jay Huff played some as well. Don't know where Laravia and Aldama were.
Portland's 20 year old rookie Donovan Clingan got the start last night, 13 rebounds, 4 points, 4 assists in only 18 minutes. Israeli Deni Avdija
started and had 18 points, 5 boards and 4 assists leading the Trail Blazers to a win.
 
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The watchable Grizzlies knock off the almost unwatchable Rockets,( no Sheppard, DNP again, no Sengun calf contusion), 120-119. Kennard started again after scoring 27 in 27 minutes a couple of nights ago, he was regulated to come off the bench again, but scored 22 while getting another start. Edey started as well, but only played 17 minutes.
Aldama came off the bench to score 15 and 5 boards. Laravia got some time as well scoring 5 and grabbing 2 rebound in 10 minutes.
 
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