2019 NFL Week 12

[Shadowlight]

There is nothing more hated by the media than an athletic white quarterback.

Another salient point. A fast dynamic white QB is an infringement on the grand message and is looked upon as an enemy idea that needs to be flushed out as quickly as possible.

Daniel Jones and Josh Allen, two young athletic white quarterbacks, were the most derided QBs during and after their draft process the past two seasons. The media hate was palpable. And Taysom Hill is used as gimmick mascot type who had to play exclusively as a Coverage Fetch his entire rookie season. And he wasn't drafted. While I appreciate it when they line Hill up on offense compared to the young black upstart QBs he is nothing but a blip on the radar.

 

[FootballDad]

The Ravens play San Fran next week - the ability to get pressure on eraserhead as well as score points should make for a good game. The Rams look like they are in disarray - totally neglecting Kupp. My guess is they get an RB early in the draft next year and a few o-linemen.

Hell, the Cardinals have a good running back sitting on their bench that the Rams could pick up for a pack of gum and a case of Pabst. But then again every black RB in the league runs for 2,000 yards a season in college, right?

 

[FootballDad]

Link?

Here's one link to the November 15 Burfict interview...

 

[Don Wassall]

Time will tell but the NFL might also have to deal with falling attendance and general lack of interest from an increasing amount of white fans. I suspect if the NFL starts to replicate the SEC in terms of racial outlay then white fans will start to slowly but surely head for the exits. Why should they watch a sport whose main goal is to elevate black players and humiliate white players. And that humiliation would take place in many forms where the only white players are kickers and offensive lineman with a token one or two or so playing outside those lines.

The mere absence of white players of significance in the NFL is the ultimate humiliation for white folk.

Only time will tell where we are heading but last night was one of the ugliest moments of the year.

Realistically that's been the situation for going on 40 years now. The only "wildcard" is if White fans will now also accept black predominance at quarterback. I think they will. They have in the CFL, and White fans in general salivate over Jackson, Mahomes, Murray, et al. just as much as the "scouts" and draft "gurus." To watch television and movies is to see black dominance at everything, every day. The past 50 years have shown there's absolutely nothing Whites won't put up with if not embrace. American Whites are putty in the hands of the cultural commissars.

And I don't really buy the falling attendance mantra. Season ticket sales are just fine. I watch a lot of hockey games, and at the beginning of the games or the beginning of the second and third periods you can often see a lot of empty seats. But by the time there's been a stoppage or three in play most of those seats are filled as fans straggle back in from the restrooms and food stands.

Anyway, the NFL like the other three major pro sports but even more so, is built on a very profitable relationship between the league and corporate advertising along with endless free advertising from sports networks, daily sports sections and sports segments of local news shows, talk radio sports, fantasy football sites and fantasy football TV shows, etc., etc. The NFL would still be profitable if the stands were completely empty; the days of ticket sales being the main economic factor to profitability are long gone. And with the popularity of fantasy football, many fans prefer to watch all the games on TV to going to the expense of traveling to a stadium to watch a game in person.

 

[TomIron361]

Realistically that's been the situation for going on 40 years now. The only "wildcard" is if White fans will now also accept black predominance at quarterback. I think they will. They have in the CFL, and White fans in general salivate over Jackson, Mahomes, Murray, et al. just as much as the "scouts" and draft "gurus." To watch television and movies is to see black dominance at everything, every day. The past 50 years have shown there's absolutely nothing Whites won't put up with if not embrace. American Whites are putty in the hands of the cultural commissars.

And I don't really buy the falling attendance mantra. Season ticket sales are just fine. I watch a lot of hockey games, and at the beginning of the games or the beginning of the second and third periods you can often see a lot of empty seats. But by the time there's been a stoppage or three in play most of those seats are filled as fans straggle back in from the restrooms and food stands.

Anyway, the NFL like the other three major pro sports but even more so, is built on a very profitable relationship between the league and corporate advertising along with endless free advertising from sports networks, daily sports sections and sports segments of local news shows, talk radio sports, fantasy football sites and fantasy football TV shows, etc., etc. The NFL would still be profitable if the stands were completely empty; the days of ticket sales being the main economic factor to profitability are long gone. And with the popularity of fantasy football, many fans prefer to watch all the games on TV to going to the expense of traveling to a stadium to watch a game in person.

This black QB thing is just grasping at straws as far as I'm concerned. The die is cast. Football is on it's last legs. The young people/generally speaking don't care about football, or baseball for that matter (both played outdoors). The only idea they have of "sports" is e-sports. They've never done physical activity. Just look at the vast majority of them. Even the service has big physical fitness problems with them. This is not to say there aren't young people participating in football but for the most part, the reservoir of players and people interested in the NFL is drying up. Not me because I'm old, but most of you will see teams going out of business and possibly the end of the NFL itself.

 

[Don Wassall]

This black QB thing is just grasping at straws as far as I'm concerned. The die is cast. Football is on it's last legs. The young people/generally speaking don't care about football, or baseball for that matter (both played outdoors). The only idea they have of "sports" is e-sports. They've never done physical activity. Just look at the vast majority of them. Even the service has big physical fitness problems with them. This is not to say there aren't young people participating in football but for the most part, the reservoir of players and people interested in the NFL is drying up. Not me because I'm old, but most of you will see teams going out of business and possibly the end of the NFL itself.

Generally speaking that's correct, there's far more emasculated White boys than ever before, but there's still a significant segment that participate in sports. The number of boys playing high school football has declined about 10% over the past decade -- but there's still over one million playing. I live in the suburbs and there's still plenty of jocks around. Saying football is currently on its last legs defies all the evidence that exists to the contrary. If we had one million White Americans who would financially support organizations trying to represent them the country would be turned around overnight. The NFL is "too big to fail" -- hell even the WNBA is "too important to fail" -- and will be around as long as the current system is.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/267955/participation-in-us-high-school-football/

 

[Shadowlight]

Realistically that's been the situation for going on 40 years now. The only "wildcard" is if White fans will now also accept black predominance at quarterback. I think they will. They have in the CFL, and White fans in general salivate over Jackson, Mahomes, Murray, et al. just as much as the "scouts" and draft "gurus." To watch television and movies is to see black dominance at everything, every day. The past 50 years have shown there's absolutely nothing Whites won't put up with if not embrace. American Whites are putty in the hands of the cultural commissars.

And I don't really buy the falling attendance mantra. Season ticket sales are just fine. I watch a lot of hockey games, and at the beginning of the games or the beginning of the second and third periods you can often see a lot of empty seats. But by the time there's been a stoppage or three in play most of those seats are filled as fans straggle back in from the restrooms and food stands.

Anyway, the NFL like the other three major pro sports but even more so, is built on a very profitable relationship between the league and corporate advertising along with endless free advertising from sports networks, daily sports sections and sports segments of local news shows, talk radio sports, fantasy football sites and fantasy football TV shows, etc., etc. The NFL would still be profitable if the stands were completely empty; the days of ticket sales being the main economic factor to profitability are long gone. And with the popularity of fantasy football, many fans prefer to watch all the games on TV to going to the expense of traveling to a stadium to watch a game in person.

I am in such a bleak mood I can't even breath properly. I am currently lost in a fog of darkness don't even ask.

The media is very good at playing the sadomasochistic /sadist game where white athletes are pummeled to death and black athletes are elevated into a spiritual realm. The breathless talk about Lamar Jackson today is outright pagan worship.

It seems to me there has been a major push for years to turn white athletes into a lesser species. Forget the strength factor. That is a 12th century concept that has little bearing on the modern world. Modernity is based on speed and the media is making the average Joe believe that this is only a black domain.

Imagine a future NFL where there really aren't white wide receivers ( perhaps a few back up types) and maybe say 12 white defensive starters spread throughout the entire league and a few white QBs and TEs. Most white players will be willing white OL and kicker/punters.

What do we end up with? A third sex and we are 3/4 of the way there as I post this. White men will be relegated to a third sex which is pitched between women and black men. Black men will embody the masculine man with all the attendant glory that will afford. White men will be seen ( again we are close now to this in the public sphere) as little booty inferior boys that can't compete with what society deems as real men and heroes ala black athletes.

Maybe Don is right and whites will finally fully embrace their status as second class subjects who are openly humiliated because they lack what the black athletes have--speed, athleticism and the definition of what makes a man Expect more articles and books on the subject as well.

Whether alienated whites will turn away from sports watching is still open to debate. My hope is that they don't accept the racial theories and do everything they can to debunk that line of thought. Maybe it won't happen and white athletes will never ever make a mark and thus life as we know it is effectively over in one sense.

 

[BeyondFedUp]

I am in such a bleak mood I can't even breath properly. I am currently lost in a fog of darkness don't even ask.

The media is very good at playing the sadomasochistic /sadist game where white athletes are pummeled to death and black athletes are elevated into a spiritual realm. The breathless talk about Lamar Jackson today is outright pagan worship.

It seems to me there has been a major push for years to turn white athletes into a lesser species. Forget the strength factor. That is a 12th century concept that has little bearing on the modern world. Modernity is based on speed and the media is making the average Joe believe that this is only a black domain.

Imagine a future NFL where there really aren't white wide receivers ( perhaps a few back up types) and maybe say 12 white defensive starters spread throughout the entire league and a few white QBs and TEs. Most white players will be willing white OL and kicker/punters.

What do we end up with? A third sex and we are 3/4 of the way there as I post this. White men will be relegated to a third sex which is pitched between women and black men. Black men will embody the masculine man with all the attendant glory that will afford. White men will be seen ( again we are close now to this in the public sphere) as little booty inferior boys that can't compete with what society deems as real men and heroes ala black athletes.

Maybe Don is right and whites will finally fully embrace their status as second class subjects who are openly humiliated because they lack what the black athletes have--speed, athleticism and the definition of what makes a man Expect more articles and books on the subject as well.

Whether alienated whites will turn away from sports watching is still open to debate. My hope is that they don't accept the racial theories and do everything they can to debunk that line of thought. Maybe it won't happen and white athletes will never ever make a mark and thus life as we know it is effectively over in one sense.

Shadowlight,
Wake up and come out of the coma of depression bro!!! Man, I feel your pain and as Don and some of the long-timers on here can tell you I can be pretty downright freaking negative. However, stop thinking that way because it's what our enemies want exactly to a tee. Don't even give the enemies of our race the time of day to even get a glimpse of you thinking that way. Think positive and think of the camaraderie we have here at caste football. I say this in all due respect of your insights and assessments of your fellow white athletes are admirable. I come to you as a fellow brother and friend here on the forums. Think positive regardless of how you're feeling. Cheers mate!

 

[white lightning]

I am in such a bleak mood I can't even breath properly. I am currently lost in a fog of darkness don't even ask.

The media is very good at playing the sadomasochistic /sadist game where white athletes are pummeled to death and black athletes are elevated into a spiritual realm. The breathless talk about Lamar Jackson today is outright pagan worship.

It seems to me there has been a major push for years to turn white athletes into a lesser species. Forget the strength factor. That is a 12th century concept that has little bearing on the modern world. Modernity is based on speed and the media is making the average Joe believe that this is only a black domain.

Imagine a future NFL where there really aren't white wide receivers ( perhaps a few back up types) and maybe say 12 white defensive starters spread throughout the entire league and a few white QBs and TEs. Most white players will be willing white OL and kicker/punters.

What do we end up with? A third sex and we are 3/4 of the way there as I post this. White men will be relegated to a third sex which is pitched between women and black men. Black men will embody the masculine man with all the attendant glory that will afford. White men will be seen ( again we are close now to this in the public sphere) as little booty inferior boys that can't compete with what society deems as real men and heroes ala black athletes.

Maybe Don is right and whites will finally fully embrace their status as second class subjects who are openly humiliated because they lack what the black athletes have--speed, athleticism and the definition of what makes a man Expect more articles and books on the subject as well.

Whether alienated whites will turn away from sports watching is still open to debate. My hope is that they don't accept the racial theories and do everything they can to debunk that line of thought. Maybe it won't happen and white athletes will never ever make a mark and thus life as we know it is effectively over in one sense.

This is for shadowlight. Bro you need to relax. As a former athlete I've heard all the anti white talk since I was a kid. It actually made me step up my game even more. I love proving people wrong as I'm sure you do to. Let me give you an example of how bad things used to be just in track & field(sprinting).

We had 0 White Guys in the world who had run a sub 10 and only a couple who had went sub 20 in the 200 meters. We basically had Pietro Mennea, and Valery Borzov as far as times go. Alan Wells
won gold in the sprints too but with slower times. So Mennea of Italy has run personal best times of 10.01 and the still european record of 19..72 over 200 meters. Borzov of the Soviet Union was a double gold medal winner at the Olympics and his p.b.'s were 10.07 and 20.00 over the longer sprinter. So over 50 -60 years of sprinting we had 1 white sprinter go sub 20 and none in the world to go sub 10 although many ran 10.00 flat. So it was thought all around the world that white guys could not physically acheive running a sub 10 in the 100 meters or sub 20 in the 200 meters. The brain washing seemed to demoralize the few whites that tried. Fast forward to Christophe Lemaitre becoming the first white sprinter to run a sub 10 second 100 meters in 2010. Lemaitre would end up going sub 10 seven times with the legal wind in his career with a p.b. of 9.92! He also run sub 20 several times with a p.b. of 19.80!

What happened in the 9 years since Christophe became the first white sprinter to break 10 seconds over 100 meters? I'm glad you asked.

We have had several guys come very close to running it. Richard Kilty(England), Emile Erasmus(South Africa),Julian Reus(Germany and John Teeters(USA) have all run 10.00 legal or 10.01 wind legal. We now have 4 white sprinters who have run sub 10's.

Christophe Lemaitre(France)
Ramil Guliyev(Turkey)
Fillipo Tortu(Italy)
Aadm Gemeli(England)

So from no guys to Lemaitre opening the start of the flood gates. Guliyev and Lemaiter have won medals at the Olympics and World Champioships.
Richard Kilty was crowned fastest indoor sprinter in the world back in 2014. Yes you heard me right. Fastest sprinter in the world over 60 meters!

My point is that in 9 years we have seen so much happen just in track and field.

So what Lemaitre did for sprinting, McCaffrey and others can do for football. If you think all of our guys are going to just give up and not fight your dead wrong.
Snap out of it bro. Before the Klitschko Brothers dominated the heavy weight division for over a decade it was said we would never see a white heavyweight world champion.

Dont drink the Koolaid. Turn off the lame stream media and be positive brother. We love you here and need you to stay positive in this fight.

The future belongs to those who fight for it!! I choose to remain an optomist. Better days are coming.

We have a possible MVP in the NFL at running back(McCaffrey) and the NBA at Guard/forward(Doncic). What's not to like.

 

[Westside]

Man, Shawdowlight in meltdown mode? WTF, where is the hope? It's not even the playoffs yet, but we as White men call it a day? That day will NEVER happen. As long we have a Brady, CMAC, Fury or Doncic the fight is never over. Shadowlight you need to get a grip and look at the elite athletes we have in all sports! I hope u can breathe properly and find out your way out of the dark fog after reading this post and what Don and Trump is trying to do for the country?
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[Don Wassall]

The NFL is a lot more watchable than it was in the 1990s. I and others have mentioned that before. There was a stretch of years when Ricky Proehl was the only starting White WR in the league and he never reached a thousand yards and there were very few White backups. We went a dozen years without a White WR or a White TE breaking a thousand receiving yards. That seems inconceivable now. Hillis and McCaffrey both broke a thousand yards rushing in the past decade, not much but better than it was in the '90s and '00s. The White defensive starters on average now are much better than they were in the '90s and '00s.

The big difference is in the surge of black QBs this season, which may or may not continue. We were able to enjoy a prolonged, glorious golden era of White QBs that was incredibly satisfying knowing how long and hard the change agents have been pushing black quarterbacks. History says this year's significant uptick won't be maintained, but when black QBs keep getting recruited and given opportunities and offenses are designed around them, some are going to succeed. That's the crux of the Caste System -- it's tremendously tilted in favor of blacks and against Whites at all positions and in all sports. Roughly half of the states' leading high school rushers are White, but they disappear after that. If they were recruited and given even remotely close to the same opportunities blacks get at QB and all other positions, the NFL would have a bunch of White starting RBs.

My main point above is that Whites put up with everything; there's nothing that's happened in the past 50 years where Whites have come together and fought together as a race. I have a lot of respect for your knowlege of sports, Shadowlight, but I think you're naive when it comes to politics and how society has been changed by the elites in recent generations. The Caste System is just one component of a much bigger picture and racial agenda that has been relentlessly pursued, top-down, for a long time, especially the past 50 years. Only one or two percent of Whites at most understand the big picture, and it's likely even less than that meager amount see what's going on when it comes to sports -- just look at how many White advocates still buy the propaganda of black athletic superiority even after 15 years of Caste Football being in existence and becoming fairly well known. The vast majority of DWFs have simply never thought in terms of intentional discrimination against White athletes and aren't going to buy our arguments because they're so out of tune with the propaganda they're bombarded with every day.

The Cultural Communists have methodically marched through all the institutions and have been successful beyond their wildest dreams. American Whites are effectively deracinated and pacified; that's how it is right now in Amerika 2.0. There is not a single possible outrage that will cause a strong reaction these days other than possibly an attempt at mass gun confiscation. My negativity has a lot more to do with the big picture and the continuing decline of the U.S. in just about every conceivable way. Each day the clown show seems to get worse.

 

[wile]

Hey Don I try to send men especially young men here for informed discussions on sports so please don't view me as a troll. Question, would you allow me to unload on the conservatives (slow losers) that post their endless litany of utter hopelessness?

 

[Don Wassall]

Hey Don I try to send men especially young men here for informed discussions on sports so please don't view me as a troll. Question, would you allow me to unload on the conservatives (slow losers) that post their endless litany of utter hopelessness?

I'm a populist and a nationalist and criticize conservatives all the time in The Nationalist Times for their lack of awareness and growth, so it's certainly fine with me.

 

[backrow]

Even though I'm not an old timer like Sport Historian or even Don ( ) I sure remember a period from mid 90s through 00s where we had so little going on... Mike Alstott with his 900 something yards, Ed McCaffrey, John Lynch and little more... Urlacher, some DEs. No running backs even on NFL squads, people like Luke Staley failing due to injuries, others being phased out (Archuleta). Now we have a leading rusher/scorer/yards from scrimmage holder in McCaffrey who is the best back in NFL in ages, we have tons of talented WRs and TEs. Things are not as gloomy as they used to be, although the push and eventual success of new breed of QB can be worrying since there isn't such a thing for white RBs, WRs and secondary.

 

[wile]

Shadow is a conservative which means he snaps at every bit of troll bait thrown out there, I have no doubt at some crappy click bait sports website the caste clowns are passing around his posts and laughing their tails off. Have fun click bait boys because conservatives are doing the right thing and going away then you will have to deal with people who are actually effective.

Conservatives are like the good natured somewhat slow Billy Budd from Herman Melville's same titled short novel, they stand there jaw out expecting the world to respect them and the truth. Sure. Conservatives never look for the weaknesses, I'm no conservative, the enemy's weaknesses are my priority.

Keeping this short, IMO the weakness I spot right off the bat is the corrupt nature of college recruiting, if we attack that and them on that rhetorically challenging their authority we can make some headway. Obviously whining about a shotgun style college QB having his moment in the sun is not a winner.

I don't want you young men to be conservatives, I'm 50 something years old you will waste your life in that cargo cult and do nothing more than secure the Left on the Moral Level of conflict, and then you will snap.

 

[Shadowlight]

I have no doubt at some crappy click bait sports website the caste clowns are passing around his posts and laughing their tails off.

No doubt? I would find it a bit shocking if my posts were bandied about like that but if you see stuff please provide a link. I would find it a bit amusing that I would receive that sort of notoriety but I suspect outside of CF I am not a topic of "conversations" elsewhere.

The seemingly good natured "Billy Budd" ended up committing murder which is worth noting.

As far as the NFL in the 90s and 2000s I think it is an overstatement to think of those years as the "dark ages" so to speak and to think of our current days as the "golden years." I was just doing some research and was astonished to find some incredible white players who had stunning athleticism. It jogged my memory. One can't deny the obvious issues back then but I think the closer one investigates one realizes hell there were a lot of important white players back then. And keep in mind colleges were generally whiter than they are today. All black college defenses were nowhere near as common as they are today as one example.

More apples and oranges for me when comparing eras but there are certain areas that have improved but I don't think in my mind the contrast is as sharp as one might be led to believe based on stats and such which seem better today but doesn't take into account the exciting white players of that era whose stats might look a bit underwhelming at times. Were there games with ultra caste line ups like the recent Colts-Texans game? Maybe but I can't be totally sure? And white WRs of those years were generally not pigeon holed as dink and dunk artists. I think Wayne Chrebet was a WR who fit that mold and I remember not liking it all that much. If I have some time down the road I would like to post "snap shots" of the great white players from those days. In general big years by white WRs were more fleeting. That said to me the worst thing that has happened this year is the nagging hamstring injury suffered by Adam Thielen who was coming off his best season ever.

One of the players that is obvious is Jason Sehorn (1994-2002 with the Giants). My memory was refreshed when I noticed around his third year he tore his ACL (on a kick return if memory serves). But if CM is the caste buster player supreme of today Sehorn was probably even more of one back then because CB is the most taboo position for white players and I know no one could argue with that.

 

[Don Wassall]

As far as the NFL in the 90s and 2000s I think it is an overstatement to think of those years as the "dark ages" so to speak and to think of our current days as the "golden years."

No one has written or alluded to that that I'm aware of. I've referred to a golden age of White quarterbacks during the past 20 years, which is undeniable, but anyone who thinks the NFL is currently experiencing "golden years" for White players shouldn't be posting here. Saying the 1990s and '00s were worse than the current decade doesn't translate to "golden years," come on now. The reason this site exists and is called Caste Football is because the NFL is anything but "golden" for White players.

 

[sport historian]

This is for shadowlight. Bro you need to relax. As a former athlete I've heard all the anti white talk since I was a kid. It actually made me step up my game even more. I love proving people wrong as I'm sure you do to. Let me give you an example of how bad things used to be just in track & field(sprinting).

We had 0 White Guys in the world who had run a sub 10 and only a couple who had went sub 20 in the 200 meters. We basically had Pietro Mennea, and Valery Borzov as far as times go. Alan Wells
won gold in the sprints too but with slower times. So Mennea of Italy has run personal best times of 10.01 and the still european record of 19..72 over 200 meters. Borzov of the Soviet Union was a double gold medal winner at the Olympics and his p.b.'s were 10.07 and 20.00 over the longer sprinter. So over 50 -60 years of sprinting we had 1 white sprinter go sub 20 and none in the world to go sub 10 although many ran 10.00 flat. So it was thought all around the world that white guys could not physically acheive running a sub 10 in the 100 meters or sub 20 in the 200 meters. The brain washing seemed to demoralize the few whites that tried. Fast forward to Christophe Lemaitre becoming the first white sprinter to run a sub 10 second 100 meters in 2010. Lemaitre would end up going sub 10 seven times with the legal wind in his career with a p.b. of 9.92! He also run sub 20 several times with a p.b. of 19.80!

What happened in the 9 years since Christophe became the first white sprinter to break 10 seconds over 100 meters? I'm glad you asked.

We have had several guys come very close to running it. Richard Kilty(England), Emile Erasmus(South Africa),Julian Reus(Germany and John Teeters(USA) have all run 10.00 legal or 10.01 wind legal. We now have 4 white sprinters who have run sub 10's.

Christophe Lemaitre(France)
Ramil Guliyev(Turkey)
Fillipo Tortu(Italy)
Aadm Gemeli(England)

So from no guys to Lemaitre opening the start of the flood gates. Guliyev and Lemaiter have won medals at the Olympics and World Champioships.
Richard Kilty was crowned fastest indoor sprinter in the world back in 2014. Yes you heard me right. Fastest sprinter in the world over 60 meters!

My point is that in 9 years we have seen so much happen just in track and field.

So what Lemaitre did for sprinting, McCaffrey and others can do for football. If you think all of our guys are going to just give up and not fight your dead wrong.
Snap out of it bro. Before the Klitschko Brothers dominated the heavy weight division for over a decade it was said we would never see a white heavyweight world champion.

Dont drink the Koolaid. Turn off the lame stream media and be positive brother. We love you here and need you to stay positive in this fight.

The future belongs to those who fight for it!! I choose to remain an optomist. Better days are coming.

We have a possible MVP in the NFL at running back(McCaffrey) and the NBA at Guard/forward(Doncic). What's not to like.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen "There will never be another white heavyweight champion." When such a thing did happen, the heavyweight title mysteriously lost its mystique to the MSM and Opinion Makers.

 

[sport historian]

Even though I'm not an old timer like Sport Historian or even Don ( ) I sure remember a period from mid 90s through 00s where we had so little going on... Mike Alstott with his 900 something yards, Ed McCaffrey, John Lynch and little more... Urlacher, some DEs. No running backs even on NFL squads, people like Luke Staley failing due to injuries, others being phased out (Archuleta). Now we have a leading rusher/scorer/yards from scrimmage holder in McCaffrey who is the best back in NFL in ages, we have tons of talented WRs and TEs. Things are not as gloomy as they used to be, although the push and eventual success of new breed of QB can be worrying since there isn't such a thing for white RBs, WRs and secondary.

In the 1990 book, The Pro Football Chronicle, a book of anecdotes and "Lists," on page 246 it was confidently predicted among "Famous Lasts," that one was "White 1000-yard rusher, 1985 (Craig James)"

I've seen gloating in print that there would never be a starting white RB in the NFL.

 

[backrow]

I don't think anyone on CF thinks of (circa) 2019 as Golden Years, let's be honest. Those are long gone, probably forever.

Now that Shadowlight brought up Jason Sehorn it also brings up another point, he was no trailblazer... Powers that be determined that he will be the last white starting CB (outside of Kevin Kaesviharn who started a few there for Bengals and Dustin Fox who never really got a shot), so who's to say that CMac will usher in any noticeable improvement at HB? I guess we already have at least one coming up, Will Shipley but we shall see how that will pan out.

 

[Red Raider]

I don't think anyone on CF thinks of (circa) 2019 as Golden Years, let's be honest. Those are long gone, probably forever.

Now that Shadowlight brought up Jason Sehorn it also brings up another point, he was no trailblazer... Powers that be determined that he will be the last white starting CB (outside of Kevin Kaesviharn who started a few there for Bengals and Dustin Fox who never really got a shot), so who's to say that CMac will usher in any noticeable improvement at HB? I guess we already have at least one coming up, Will Shipley but we shall see how that will pan out.

Looks like CMac and Will Shipley have already started a friendship. That should help Shipley in the long run, I’m excited to see where he goes for college.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.el...tate-target-will-shipley-and-a-comparison?amp

 

[Truthteller]

Realistically that's been the situation for going on 40 years now. The only "wildcard" is if White fans will now also accept black predominance at quarterback. I think they will. They have in the CFL, and White fans in general salivate over Jackson, Mahomes, Murray, et al. just as much as the "scouts" and draft "gurus." To watch television and movies is to see black dominance at everything, every day. The past 50 years have shown there's absolutely nothing Whites won't put up with if not embrace. American Whites are putty in the hands of the cultural commissars.

Don, not to "nitpick", because I think there is a lot of truth to what you write, but there is some very good news on the CFL front: While the "perception" is the league has been loaded with African American quarterbacks for decades, that does not jive with the current reality. On this list of Top Ranked CFL Quarterbacks 17 of the Top 22 are white. That might shock some, but it is true. Of those 17, 12 played at FCS (1-AA) programs or lower (DII, DIII, NAIA) and 3 maxed out at FBS Mid-majors. If the CFL wanted to, they could have accumulated plenty of black quarterbacks from top tier FBS programs that couldn't make it to the NFL over the years. That is not the case. Most of that is due to sheer talent of those white quarterbacks in the CFL. But I think a very small part of that is, they realize they can't field basically all black teams in Canada and expect to fill seats.

And I don't really buy the falling attendance mantra. Season ticket sales are just fine. I watch a lot of hockey games, and at the beginning of the games or the beginning of the second and third periods you can often see a lot of empty seats. But by the time there's been a stoppage or three in play most of those seats are filled as fans straggle back in from the restrooms and food stands.....Anyway, the NFL like the other three major pro sports but even more so, is built on a very profitable relationship between the league and corporate advertising along with endless free advertising from sports networks, daily sports sections and sports segments of local news shows, talk radio sports, fantasy football sites and fantasy football TV shows, etc., etc. The NFL would still be profitable if the stands were completely empty; the days of ticket sales being the main economic factor to profitability are long gone. And with the popularity of fantasy football, many fans prefer to watch all the games on TV to going to the expense of traveling to a stadium to watch a game in person.

Most of what you write here is true. But I honestly believe I'm seeing more empty seats at NFL games than I ever have, and it's not even close -- particularly since the Kaepernick anthem/flag protests started and aroused millions of DWF's in a negative way against the NFL. Even if these unoccupied seats have been sold to corporations, the "optics" of half-to-partially empty stadiums are real bad for the NFL. I know I've turned down "very expensive" free tickets to see my nearest NFL team, even though I was told they were PSL seats near the field. Who wants to spend all day stuck in traffic just to watch these mostly black teams, then pay an "arm and a leg" for parking, gas, food and everything else? Honestly, I would need to be paid several hundred dollars just to attend a NFL game. I know I'm not alone. Yes, Breitbart types might be taking a lot of photos at times when fans are not settled in, but there are still tons of empty seats in a lot of Stadiums from start to finish.

All three Florida teams (Tampa, Miami and Jacksonville) are playing in front of embarrassing crowds each week. Other Southern teams are struggling too. Atlanta might be the worst. Despite a brand new Stadium they are routinely outdrawn by a MLS team. Tennessee is also having a hard time drawing. Carolina and Baltimore have had attendance issues in the Mid-Atlantic region the last couple years and Houston and Arizona similarly have struggled to fill their aging, state-of-the art Stadiums. What's even more stunning, is how poorly both the New York teams (notably the Giants) and Washington have drawn since 2016. At one time, we were told they had decade's long waiting lists for tickets. That might be true, but why so many empty seats? Giants have supposedly even resorted to running commercials (featuring Victor Cruz) trying to draw in ticket buyers. That was unthinkable not too long ago. Jets have been doing this (TV and radio ads) for years, according N.Y. area DWF's.

Even, believe it or not, Cleveland is starting to play in front of tons of empty seats, despite a star-studded (albeit underachieving) team. Perhaps season ticket holders cant give away tickets for the mostly black teams to fellow whites, unless they are contending for a Super Bowl. In the "Rust-Belt", Detroit, Indianapolis and Buffalo are no longer sure sellouts and Cincinnati is struggling as bad as the Florida teams. On the West Coast, the 49ers have struggled real bad with attendance (even with a new stadium), as have the Chargers. Although the 49ers (like Baltimore) might pick up, as they vie for a title.

 

[Don Wassall]

Don, not to "nitpick", because I think there is a lot of truth to what you write, but there is some very good news on the CFL front: While the "perception" is the league has been loaded with African American quarterbacks for decades, that does not jive with the current reality. On this list of Top Ranked CFL Quarterbacks 17 of the Top 22 are white. That might shock some, but it is true. Of those 17, 12 played at FCS (1-AA) programs or lower (DII, DIII, NAIA) and 3 maxed out at FBS Mid-majors. If the CFL wanted to, they could have accumulated plenty of black quarterbacks from top tier FBS programs that couldn't make it to the NFL over the years. That is not the case. Most of that is due to sheer talent of those white quarterbacks in the CFL. But I think a very small part of that is, they realize they can't field basically all black teams in Canada and expect to fill seats.

I'm glad to know the CFL is getting whiter at QB, but that's irrelevant to my statement that the CFL has been black dominated at quarterback and it was accepted by Canadian football fans.

 

[Don Wassall]

Most of what you write here is true. But I honestly believe I'm seeing more empty seats at NFL games than I ever have, and it's not even close -- particularly since the Kaepernick anthem/flag protests started and aroused millions of DWF's in a negative way against the NFL. Even if these unoccupied seats have been sold to corporations, the "optics" of half-to-partially empty stadiums are real bad for the NFL. I know I've turned down "very expensive" free tickets to see my nearest NFL team, even though I was told they were PSL seats near the field. Who wants to spend all day stuck in traffic just to watch these mostly black teams, then pay an "arm and a leg" for parking, gas, food and everything else? Honestly, I would need to be paid several hundred dollars just to attend a NFL game. I know I'm not alone. Yes, Breitbart types might be taking a lot of photos at times when fans are not settled in, but there are still tons of empty seats in a lot of Stadiums from start to finish.

All three Florida teams (Tampa, Miami and Jacksonville) are playing in front of embarrassing crowds each week. Other Southern teams are struggling too. Atlanta might be the worst. Despite a brand new Stadium they are routinely outdrawn by a MLS team. Tennessee is also having a hard time drawing. Carolina and Baltimore have had attendance issues in the Mid-Atlantic region the last couple years and Houston and Arizona similarly have struggled to fill their aging, state-of-the art Stadiums. What's even more stunning, is how poorly both the New York teams (notably the Giants) and Washington have drawn since 2016. At one time, we were told they had decade's long waiting lists for tickets. That might be true, but why so many empty seats? Giants have supposedly even resorted to running commercials (featuring Victor Cruz) trying to draw in ticket buyers. That was unthinkable not too long ago. Jets have been doing this (TV and radio ads) for years, according N.Y. area DWF's.

Even, believe it or not, Cleveland is starting to play in front of tons of empty seats, despite a star-studded (albeit underachieving) team. Perhaps season ticket holders cant give away tickets for the mostly black teams to fellow whites, unless they are contending for a Super Bowl. In the "Rust-Belt", Detroit, Indianapolis and Buffalo are no longer sure sellouts and Cincinnati is struggling as bad as the Florida teams. On the West Coast, the 49ers have struggled real bad with attendance (even with a new stadium), as have the Chargers. Although the 49ers (like Baltimore) might pick up, as they vie for a title.

There may be more empty seats, but I'm not sure about how large the actual drop in season ticket sales is, if any. Most of the "Kapernick effect" went away as soon as the networks quit showing the kneeling militants during the anthem (and as soon as the networks quit showing them, the militants stopped kneeling). Doesn't take much when DWFs have such short attention spans.

But the more important point I was making is that the NFL is still immensely profitable, and that depends much less on ticket sales and individuals actually sitting in stadiums than it used to. Television ratings are the most important factor, and the NFL far and away remains America's secular religion. TV deals, corporate advertising, all the free publicity the league gets from traditional and online media, the popularity of fantasy football and gambling, the popularity of the Sunday Ticket with many millions of fans paying several hundred bucks each to watch all the games, licensing fees, jersey sales, stadium naming rights, etc., the NFL is far, far more popular than any other sports league, so more empty seats at some games means little in the bigger scheme of things. As long as the incestuous relationship between the league, big corporations and big sports media continues to be strong, the NFL is in no immediate danger of losing money or more than a small fraction of overall popularity. Super Bowl ratings may have gone down some, but that also reflects the increasing fragmentation of U.S. society and the drop in TV viewership in general. The NFL is still King of the Realm.

 

[Shadowlight]

The "golden years" phrase isn't literal but it represents a vibe I have been getting from some posters here. I think we might have been on the verge of something special in 2016 which finished with that glorious Patriots Super Bowl comeback against toxic Atlanta.

I want to take a look at the WR situation then and now. In 2016 we saw-----

Jordy came back from his ACL tear with a massive season with a 97-1257-14.

Edelman was great and Adam Thielen finally emerged as a top player albeit he was jilted out of a 1,000 yard season with a 69-967-5 stat line. Slot receivers Cole Beasley (75-833-5) and Adam Humphries (55-622-2) were solid and on the upswing. And Chris Hogan emerged out of the blue with a big play 38-680-4 stat line and led the league per catch with a 17.9 average.

These days CM has been terrific and a huge breath of fresh air but he alone can't mask the slip we have seen in WRs since 2016. I know TE play is at a great level but they aren't wide receivers as much as like a lot of them.