2017 NFL Week 11

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Thursday's here, Titans vs Crawfords is on tap. Just hoping for good showing by our guys, like the criminally under-thrown-to Eric Decker on the Titans and TJ Watt for Pittsburgh. But hey, who needs any of that when you have the pleasure of watching Big Ben throw to "JuJu" o_O
 

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Thursday's here, Titans vs Crawfords is on tap. Just hoping for good showing by our guys, like the criminally under-thrown-to Eric Decker on the Titans and TJ Watt for Pittsburgh. But hey, who needs any of that when you have the pleasure of watching Big Ben throw to "JuJu" o_O

Aside from Decker, who went from a perennial 1,000-yard receiver to completely irrelevant with Mariotta throwing him the ball, the Titans have absolutely nothing to root for on offense or defense. Backup TE, Phillip Supernaw, gets an occasional short reception and backup DT, Karl Klug, plays a few snaps per game. OT Taylor Lewan is a tough-as-nails "enforcer" (probably the nastiest OL since Logan Mankins) who's constantly scrapping with black defenders. In fact, I remember reading this article about Lewan saying he wishes the NFL would allow players to fight like the NHL. Pretty cool...

https://titansized.com/2017/02/10/taylor-lewan-gets-way-nfl-allow-fighting-like-hockey/

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As for the Pittsburgh Kneelers, well, there's Roethlisberger, a few white OL, two TE's (James and McDonald), and TJ Watt on defense. Not enough to keep my interest.
 

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Mariota has been immune from criticism despite having a poor 2017 so far. Through half a season he has only 7 TD passes, a Teddy Bridgewater like pace, to go with almost as many picks (6), and only 1,783 passing yards. The yardage is on par with his career best so far, just 3,426 yards, quite mediocre in today's pass-happy league. And as Thrashen mentioned, he's managed to turn Eric Decker, one of the best and most consistent receivers in the league, into near invisible status. He has running ability and has rushed for 7 TDs through three seasons which offsets his poor passing stats a bit, but overall Mariota is currently no threat to be one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL despite his lofty draft status as the second overall pick in 2015.
 

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Normally I would go the Thrashen route and skip this game tonight but there are no college games of interest although I will keep an eye on the Wisconsin basketball game. Usually running non white QB's have spelled the death of white WR's just see what is happening to Jordy lately. I can't stand Mariota but at least I could tolerate him if Decker was a more integral part of the Titans offense but to date apart from a few plays here and there I see no chemistry between the two players. For the most part it is in the DNA of non white QB's who like to run to totally ignore white skill players. They are so "into" themselves and their "racial" profile ( look at me and my athleticism) they have no desire in helping a white skill player star although they gladly accept white offensive linemen making life easier for them.

The only black "running" QB and white WR that I remember off the top of my head that had good chemistry was Steve McNair and WR Drew Bennett who ironically were Titans. And even that pairing didn't last but a few years. Bennett's standout season was 2004 where he caught 80 passes for 1247 yards and 11 TD's. Big time. Are things really better today with the white WR's? Perhaps but not by as large margin as we like to think. Heck in 2004 speedster WR Kevin Curtis was starting to make some waves with the Rams and in 2007, his banner year, he caught 77 passes for 1110 yards and 6 touchdowns. We are not in any golden era at WR at least not yet that is all I am saying. A bit better that is all. Bennett had two or three more solid but not great seasons then sort of fell off the board. At his best though he was outstanding.

So I will tune in and hold my nose. As Footballdad says I will be watching it for two players, OLB T J Watt and WR Eric Decker. Don't care for either team. WR Antonio Brown makes me sick to my stomach. And Don is right about the way the media treats Mariota.
 
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Drew Bennet's explosion came when Billy Volek replaced McNair for some time due to injury.
 

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Yeah, Bennett never came near his epic '04 numbers with McNair as his QB. He and Volek were unstoppable, but Jeff Fisher went right back to McNair when he was healthy. That marked the end of Fisher's curious short era when he had the relatively White friendliest team in the league, except for McNair at QB of course. Bennett was starting at WR, Eddie Berlin was a backup receiver that played some, the line was 4/5 White, and Frank Wycheck was the TE for a number of years, but not during Bennett's big season in '04. And the Titans defense was 12/25 White in that same time period, likely the closest a team has come to a majority of White players on defense in at least 30 years.

And then it quickly ended and Fisher went back to being his normal Caste clown self. I remember he accused Volek of "betraying" him somehow, though the details of just how were never explained, and Volek left Tennessee after the '05 season. And the obvious superstar Bennett went back to getting his usual 500 to 700 yards from McNair, while when Volek started 8 games in '04, Bennett finished 80/1,247/11, the yardage being tops in the AFC that year, and included a memorable Monday Night game when Drew went 12/233/3, which Uncle Al called in the usual semi-stoic style he does when White players are kicking ass.
 

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I don't remember the specifics Leo and Don but you are both right that McNair missed a bunch of games the year Bennett exploded which I didn't remember. So let me down grade my assessment and say McNair and Bennett had barely OK chemistry but nothing off the charts. I remember Eddie Berlin too. Not a bad little player. But looking up Bennett's stats it got me thinking. Sapient went over this stuff last year. Along with Bennett's great 2004 season Brandon Stokley of the Colts had a terrific year gobbling up 68 passes for 1077 yards. Senior citizens Ricky Proehl and Wayne Chrebet were still vaguely viable and like I mentioned above Kevin Curtis was just bursting onto the scene with the pass happy Rams.

Jump forward to 2007 where Wes Welker caught 112 passes for 1175 yards and Curtis had his career year. Also in the mix was Stokley and Kevin Walter. There was also two year wonder Mike Furrey of the Lions who caught 61 for 664 yards that year. The previous year Furrey caught a whopping 98 passes for 1086 yards. A very good player. With Edelman down and Jordy and Decker being cut out of the loop along with Hogan's mid season injury all of a sudden things aren't as terrific today with the WR's as it seemed going into the season. Let's hope things improve overall but I am getting restless. Apart from Thielen and I will throw in Cupp's solid rookie start who else can we say is doing really well? It feels like we are standing in place.
 
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and included a memorable Monday Night game where Drew went over 200 yards, which Uncle Al called in the usual semi-stoic style he does when White players are kicking ass.

I remember the game. Weird Uncle Al said something to the effect that Bennett had channeled Don Hutson, I believe it was. :rolleye:
 

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I don't remember the specifics Leo and Don but you are both right that McNair missed a bunch of games the year Bennett exploded which I didn't remember. So let me down grade my assessment and say McNair and Bennett had barely OK chemistry but nothing off the charts. I remember Eddie Berlin too. Not a bad little player. But looking up Bennett's stats it got me thinking. Sapient went over this stuff last year. Along with Bennett's great 2004 season Brandon Stokley of the Colts had a terrific year gobbling up 68 passes for 1077 yards. Senior citizens Ricky Proehl and Wayne Chrebet were still vaguely viable and like I mentioned above Kevin Curtis was just bursting onto the scene with the pass happy Rams.

Jump forward to 2007 where Wes Welker caught 112 passes for 1175 yards and Curtis had his career year. Also in the mix was Stokley and Kevin Walter. There was also two year wonder Mike Furrey of the Lions who caught 61 for 664 yards that year. The previous year Furrey caught a whopping 98 passes for 1086 yards. A very good player. With Edelman down and Jordy and Decker being cut out of the loop along with Hogan's mid season injury all of a sudden things aren't as terrific today with the WR's as it seemed going into the season. Let's hope things improve overall but I am getting restless. Apart from Thielen and I will throw in Cupp's solid rookie start who else can we say is doing really well? It feels like we are standing in place.

It's been a disappointing year, but I think a lot of it has to do with Hogan being injured after getting off to a great start, and Jordy being rendered useless because of Aaron Rodgers' injury. And Edelman missing the entire season. Thielen, Hogan, Edelman and Jordy all going over 1,000 yards would have been a lot better than just Adam having a big year. And then you have Decker, who had a hard time even finding a team after being released by the Jets, not doing anything.

So I agree with where you're coming from. Seems like there's an uptick in White receivers every so often, but it's never maintained. The recruiting patterns don't change, and the NFL drafting process doesn't. Same way J.J. Watt and Luke Kuechly haven't changed anything, and Christian McCaffrey and Rex Burkhead won't. The Caste System is very strongly rooted and entrenched. It will take a lot more bottom-up pressure and/or truly collapsing TV ratings for anything to change. As it is, the NFL remains extremely profitable and even though many DWFs are mad at the league, very few of them are angry because of the Caste System.
 

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Only reason I'm tuning in is to checkout the skycam view they're supposed to be using the whole game. Should give you a better idea what's going on down field after the snap.
 

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Only reason I'm tuning in is to checkout the skycam view they're supposed to be using the whole game. Should give you a better idea what's going on down field after the snap.

This view/angle is vividly showing how terrible Black Secondaries are. I think the League is blowing it yet again. This looks really revealing and almost looks like the game is elementary and truly as we've joked on here before, like the NBA on Turf.
Maybe I'm just cynical after that disgusting musical intro with metrosexual fairies and skanks. I had to mute "and" look away.
 

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Glad to see Eric Decker with a couple of early receptions. Hope Marriota continues to give him some
more chances to catch the ball. They are up against a really good defense and they need all hands on deck!
 

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From a CF perspective, wouldn't it be better for Big Ben to win? I'm just asking as I've got no dog in the fight.
 

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So Jurrell Casey whiffs on the sack, and Klug takes Big Ben down; Crissy starts talking about how smart Casey is.... Good times, good times....
 

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Crissy is talking about Mariota's hustle and heart after throwing two INTs because he chased down the DB who intercepted him. Mariota now has more INTs thrown than TDs thrown. The top two QBs of the 2015 class who were supposed to talk the third year leap have both been mediocre.
 

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From a larger perspective, Steelers losses would help the Pats and Chiefs in playoff seeding

I second that. I want the Pats to have the AFC home field advantage. I actually hope they can lock it up with a couple weeks left in the season. I'm not sure that's very likely this year. Pitt would be a tough place to have to go to on the road for anybody.

KC would be my possible other choice for the AFC but it will be a huge letdown if the Pats don't get to the Big Show again and defend their title.
 

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I second that. I want the Pats to have the AFC home field advantage. I actually hope they can lock it up with a couple weeks left in the season. I'm not sure that's very likely this year. Pitt would be a tough place to have to go to on the road for anybody.

KC would be my possible other choice for the AFC but it will be a huge letdown if the Pats don't get to the Big Show again and defend their title.

Unfortunately I think the Steelers will take the #1 seed unless they lose a game like today’s. They have a reasonably easy schedule, and their home game against NE will be a huge deciding factor in playoff seeding, and the Steelers are a very good team at home. I think they and the Chiefs go 13-3 while the Pats go 12-4, losing @ Pittsburgh and one of @ Buffalo, @ Oakland or @ Miami. But even if the pats do go 13-3 as well they would have lost games to the Chiefs and Steelers, making that NE @ Pittsburgh game all that more important.
 

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Quite a bit of empty seats at a Steelers home game. A lot of different angles I'm seeing this with the fancy-smancy cameras. I highly doubt all those are because folks are still at the concession stand or the john...
 
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