elispeedster
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Tsongas will be running the 200m on Thursday in Lausanne Switzerland against a top notch field.
If conditions are right, we may see him run under 20 flat. Fingers crossed.
mastermulti
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just pondering about the white athletes we've been following and how few times they compete.
I noticed a hard worker (but not world beater) like Mike Rodgers has raced on the 4th July for 9.99, 6th July for 10.06 and again on the 9th July for his 10.03. Then when championships come along he no doubt eases off for the week and possibly takes another 0.1 second off.
White athletes we know would not attempt to race 3 times in a month , let alone a week.
Do we have a work ethic problem?
I noticed a hard worker (but not world beater) like Mike Rodgers has raced on the 4th July for 9.99, 6th July for 10.06 and again on the 9th July for his 10.03. Then when championships come along he no doubt eases off for the week and possibly takes another 0.1 second off.
White athletes we know would not attempt to race 3 times in a month , let alone a week.
Do we have a work ethic problem?
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Julian Reus with a double win today in Germany racing on only a couple days of rest. Good show.
200 m world cup standard in 20,49 s and 100 m with 10,19 both wind legal. He has now raced 4 races in the last week so to mastermulti there are some or our guys racing more. Reus got a late start due to a long injury or else he would already be running faster times. I guarantee he will get around 10 seconds or dip under by the world champs if he remains healthy.
200 m world cup standard in 20,49 s and 100 m with 10,19 both wind legal. He has now raced 4 races in the last week so to mastermulti there are some or our guys racing more. Reus got a late start due to a long injury or else he would already be running faster times. I guarantee he will get around 10 seconds or dip under by the world champs if he remains healthy.
A new name, Giovanni Galbieri of Italy, won the European U23 100m Championship today.
Here's the race:
http://www.ilcoach.net/eurounder23-galbieri-campione-europeo/
Here's the race:
http://www.ilcoach.net/eurounder23-galbieri-campione-europeo/
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Thanks for the video. Kid looked good and handled the pressure well. The 2nd place finisher though is who we really need to keep a close eye on. Dennis Dimtriov is in my opinion the real deal. He has run fast the last couple of years and he just has that build. He came on light a freght train but just had too much ground to make up.
Great race from both of them and I really hope both of these guys succeed.
Ramil Guliyev ran a season's best, 20.59 with a -2.5w, for 3rd place at the World University Games.
Perhaps he is a serious student, because he hasn't given much effort to his track career.
He came onto the scene about the same time as Lemaitre, and placed 2nd to Lemaitre in the 100m at the Euro Jr Championships of 2009, and won the 200m. But since then, he hasn't done much because he hasn't run much.
Perhaps he is a serious student, because he hasn't given much effort to his track career.
He came onto the scene about the same time as Lemaitre, and placed 2nd to Lemaitre in the 100m at the Euro Jr Championships of 2009, and won the 200m. But since then, he hasn't done much because he hasn't run much.
mastermulti
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after winning the world uni games in 2009 in 20.04 at 19 it's hard to see where the wasted years went.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL7Bfe3Kgwc
maybe having a "Turkish coach" refers to a bus he owns or something
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Such a shame about Ramil but at least he still runs a little. Most guys would have quit by now.
In the womens European Under 23 Womens 100 Meters Final the germans took a 1/2 finish. The times were not that great but both of these german sprinters have talent. Hopefully they can improve in the next few years. Verena Sailer is almost at the end of her career and the cupboards are pretty empty.
Reading about the young Italian's victory reminded me of an even younger Italian who excited us earlier in the season. Recall that Filippo Tortu smoked a 10.33 (O.6 wind) despite being just 16. Well, he hasn't stopped. In June, still before his 17th birthday, he ran a 20.92 200 (0.9 wind). To put that in perspective, the best time the great Pietro Mennea ran under the age of 20 was 20.88. At the age of 16, he's just 0.04 behind a 19-yr-old Pietro Mennea.
Most of the other young speedsters have been hurt or not doing much this year:
Thomas Somers has been hurt all year.
Kristoffer Hari was hurt for most of the year, finally started running in June, but not as fast as his brilliant 2013 times. Hopefully he gets up to speed soon.
Simon Schutz--has run a little, it appears, without improving his pbs.
Cue Elispeedster blaming Caraz for their regressions.
Ryan Gorman still seems to be running well, 200 in 21.17 (impressively against -1.8 wind) after turning 17. So he's been surpassed by Tortu, but they faced very different winds.
Jack Hale is, of course, on a southern hemisphere schedule, and hasn't run since his splendid 16 yr old campaign (including that wind-aided 10.13). Hopefully, he'll compete in something this (northern hemisphere) summer.
Most of the other young speedsters have been hurt or not doing much this year:
Thomas Somers has been hurt all year.
Kristoffer Hari was hurt for most of the year, finally started running in June, but not as fast as his brilliant 2013 times. Hopefully he gets up to speed soon.
Simon Schutz--has run a little, it appears, without improving his pbs.
Cue Elispeedster blaming Caraz for their regressions.
Ryan Gorman still seems to be running well, 200 in 21.17 (impressively against -1.8 wind) after turning 17. So he's been surpassed by Tortu, but they faced very different winds.
Jack Hale is, of course, on a southern hemisphere schedule, and hasn't run since his splendid 16 yr old campaign (including that wind-aided 10.13). Hopefully, he'll compete in something this (northern hemisphere) summer.
mastermulti
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and then finishes the week with a 9.88 - this is the commitment and consistency top quality white and asian athletes must develop to be serious contenders.
It was good to see Carina Horn from RSA dip twice into new territory with an 11.06 and 11.10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe9ATprIANw
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Following up from yesterday, Ryan Gorman, 17, went out in an even worse wind (a blustery -2.7 headwind) and won the English schools championship in 21.41. He continues to put up these good times against strong winds. Nice to see a young phenom not fading away.
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Of Course Carraz is somehow responsible :icon_tongue:
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In the 800, Bosnian Amel Tuka ran 1:43.84 in winning the 800 in Madrid yesterday (and running down a contingent of Africans). I mention him because this is really only his 3rd full season of racing the 800, and at age 24 he has room to improve. He started the season at 1:46.14. If he can improve his strength to handle rounds at championship events he will be a medal contender.
Richard Buck of GB has decided to retire to pursue a career in acting.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-33498986
He was a member of several medal winning relay teams for Great Britain, and also got a bronze medal at the European indoor championships in 2011. He was not a world beater, but he was good and his best time was 45.61. He was a solid competitor for Great Britain.
This is an example of why we see less white athletes in track and other sports.
They pursue other careers/options in life.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-33498986
He was a member of several medal winning relay teams for Great Britain, and also got a bronze medal at the European indoor championships in 2011. He was not a world beater, but he was good and his best time was 45.61. He was a solid competitor for Great Britain.
This is an example of why we see less white athletes in track and other sports.
They pursue other careers/options in life.
mastermulti
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we had a very good sprinter named Paul Narracott who beat Carl Lewis over 60 in early 1984. But he was studying to be a dental surgeon so no chance of putting in the training pro athletes need to do. Did 10.26 legal while studying for his final exams. In my experience track athletes are often very smart people who can function successfully alone in a chosen sport and a chosen field of study. Here he is up with Ben Johnson and Alan Wells
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M21ga9-xJrg
probably a wise decision re: Buck.
28, good athlete but will never be a superstar, has shared some nice success, gave his dreams a chance. Good for him.
If he genuinely misses it all he could come back and be an excellent masters athlete in a few years.
I'm endeavouring to get my future son-in-law (10.76 PB) into masters since he misses the competition and loves the sport
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mastermulti
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here's an example of your comment- straight off the press today.
This 22 year old ran 1.44.40/800 last year and seemed at the time to be ready to make a mark in Beijing
http://www.athletics.com.au/News/alex-rowe
This 22 year old ran 1.44.40/800 last year and seemed at the time to be ready to make a mark in Beijing
http://www.athletics.com.au/News/alex-rowe
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Yes back when the sport was an amateur sport most of the competitors that I remember were people like Narracott who had other things going on in their lives besides running. Since there was no money in the sport, you had to have a back up plan after your running career and the athletes were well rounded people. No Ben Johnson types who were adrift after their careers ended who bounced from one kooky idea to the next to stay involved in the sport.
Ps I always wondered what happened to him as he made world final in 83' and basically gave up sprinting shortly after.
mastermulti
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He got injured at Walnut in the U.S. and ran half prepared at L.A. He kept up running here after he'd qualified in his studies but didn't want representative status which would interfere with his budding career. He just kept competing locally because of his love for the sport but was never going to put in the effort to run world class times.
You're dead right. He was well rounded - knew when to move on while still running because he loved running
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Tuka comes through again today. Goes from almost last to first, runs down the Africans in the stretch, runs 1:42.51 and with his rate of improvement he looks to be someone who can get close to the WR if not eventually take it down. I think if he had gone out a bit more quickly he would easily have run much faster. He waited a long time before making his move and the amount of yardage he made up over the last 200 was spectacular, not to mention having to move out to lane 4 to get past the Africans who were running three abreast. He looks so fresh at the finish that there's no doubt he can run under 1:42 (the record is 1:40.91 by Kenyan David Rudisha who is supposedly still coming back from injury or maybe trying to get back to some fast times without drugs - officials seem to give third world athletes from certain countries a pass and just have them hop off the "stuff" instead of suspending them - if they're stars that is - or maybe I'm too suspicious. Nah).
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SJ1zlUw_ck