2015 NFL Draft

[Don Wassall]

yeah its all a joke the "talent" they wind up drafting, go look at the draft 3 years and 4 years ago, most of those guys stink. They have no problem picking up a small school kid that is black. Teams that are majority White, teams will pick up the one black guy on the team. They do it for FBS too, like Boise St back in the day.

They will use competition against Zenner, but Melvin Gordon who everyone is hyped up about, only got stopped one game so far, it was against Western Illinois, an FCS team, not even a powerhouse like the teams SDSU has to face (NDSU being the main one), they held him to 38 yards on 17 carries. 2.2 ypc.

Terrance West played tailback at little Towson and is more stereotypically fullback-sized at 5'11" and 230 pounds yet was drafted in the 3rd round by the Browns strictly as a running back. He's had a couple chances so far to be Cleveland's featured back but is ordinary, nothing like the highlight reel Zenner has been and might be in the NFL if given the same opportunites.

 

[Leonardfan]

A quick glance over the east west shrine game roster shows a real notable difference in the players invited when compared to the senior bowl. The lack of DBs and WRs is frustrating as usual but it just goes to show that what the media touts as the premiere college football all star game - the senior bowl is nothing more than a coal bowl to try and get as many black players exposed to nfl scouts
and gm's as possible. We all know that nfl gms and scouts are lazy and make personnel decisions based on cliches and racial stereotypes anyways.

Below is a list of all white players invited to the east west shrine game to this point:

OG Brandon Vitabile
OT Brett Boyko
TE AJ Derby
OT Ali Marpet (Senior Bowl Invite as well)
QB Cody Fajardo
OT Mickey Baucus
QB Taylor Heinicke
QB Hutson Mason
RB Zach Zenner
C Dillon Day
OG Greg Mancz
OG Shane McDermott
QB Taylor Kelly
OG David Andrews
WR Addison Richards
OT Mark Glowinski
OT Sean Hickey




LB Jake Ryan
DT Travis Raciti
DE Davis Tull
LB Zach Vigil
DE Kyle Emanuel
DE Anthony Chickillo
LB AJ Tarpley
LB Ben Heeney
DT Daryl Waud
LB Cole Farrand
DE Henry Anderson

 

[PAT]

sup, just joined here...


im taking a big interest in zach zenner. my god is he an unbelievable back and should be given an opportunity to play in the NFL despite his skin color. dude is an absolute beast


i take a look at various NFL draft site and they list him as a FB. ridiculous, he is a RUNNING BACK

 

[PAT]

zach zenner only FCS player with 3 straight 2000 yards rushing seasons. 3rd in FCS all time rushing yards, I think ONLY 11 yards shy of the all time FCS leader (Adrian Peterson), and I see the disrespect he gets , being listed as A FREAKING FULLBACK????!?! and projected to go 6th or 7th or possibly undrafted... Unbelievable this guy should go in 3rd or 4th, very latest 5th round. he is awesome.

He hasnt been accepted to senior bowl either but only EW shrine game. preposterous.

 

[PAT]

Terrance West played tailback at little Towson and is more stereotypically fullback-sized at 5'11" and 230 pounds yet was drafted in the 3rd round by the Browns strictly as a running back. He's had a couple chances so far to be Cleveland's featured back but is ordinary, nothing like the highlight reel Zenner has been and might be in the NFL if given the same opportunites.

if a guy like terrance west is able to make it to the NFL, then zenner should be given every opportunity to be able to do so too.. Zenner is a better RB who played in a much tougher conference

By the way, here's one of the various draft sites that is completely atrocious

http://walterfootball.com/draft2015RB.php


Scroll down the comments and look at the support for Zach Zenner and the questions as to why he's not listed and why is a guy like Marcus Coker of Stony Brook listed instead of Zenner when Zenner has 3x the production of Coker..

 

[PAT]

Wonderful article about Zach Zenner

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...dy-s-all-american-on-and-off-the-field-082514


To sum up the important parts, South Dakota's State's head coach met with a Baltimore Ravens scout and were discussing about Zach Zenner, how the scout was "very positive about Zenner's chances at the next level".

The sad part though... Zenner is willing to accept a position change in the NFL if people think that is the right thing for him to do. In his own words:

"If people think I’m going to gain 10 pounds and play fullback, it’ll be hard for me, but I’m going to try if that’s where they think I can play because they don’t think I’m fast enough or quick enough or whatever to play running back. I’ll certainly do special teams, and if I need to do a position change, I’ll do that too.â€

These scouts who think he is too slow, not fast enough need to take a look at the video of him with that 99 YARD TD run against Kansas... That is the definition of next level top notch speed. he should be given the chance to play RUNNING BACK, not be a fullback because of his skin color.

All it takes is one team to see Zenner's value as a RB, and give him that opportunity in the NFL to just be a strict running back.

 

[white lightning]

Wonderful article about Zach Zenner

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...dy-s-all-american-on-and-off-the-field-082514


To sum up the important parts, South Dakota's State's head coach met with a Baltimore Ravens scout and were discussing about Zach Zenner, how the scout was "very positive about Zenner's chances at the next level".

The sad part though... Zenner is willing to accept a position change in the NFL if people think that is the right thing for him to do. In his own words:

"If people think I’m going to gain 10 pounds and play fullback, it’ll be hard for me, but I’m going to try if that’s where they think I can play because they don’t think I’m fast enough or quick enough or whatever to play running back. I’ll certainly do special teams, and if I need to do a position change, I’ll do that too.â€

These scouts who think he is too slow, not fast enough need to take a look at the video of him with that 99 YARD TD run against Kansas... That is the definition of next level top notch speed. he should be given the chance to play RUNNING BACK, not be a fullback because of his skin color.

All it takes is one team to see Zenner's value as a RB, and give him that opportunity in the NFL to just be a strict running back.

Excellent article and videos. I agree he should demand a chance to play running back. I guarantee Johnny Manziel would tell a team to
fu** off if they said he should move to safety. Zenner needs to do the same but keep it classy. He was born to be a running back. The medical profession can wait till his 30's. Hospitals aren't going anywhere. This kid reminds me a little bit of Luke Staley. I'm keeping
my fingers crossed he gets a chance to be drafted in the middle to late rounds and go to a team that needs an every down running back. This kid is a star in college and there is no reason on earth that he can't do the same thing in the NFL.

Stick at running back Zach and don't give up on your dream. You do belong no matter what they tell you. Believe in yourself!

 

[woody39]

A quick glance over the east west shrine game roster shows a real notable difference in the players invited when compared to the senior bowl. The lack of DBs and WRs is frustrating as usual but it just goes to show that what the media touts as the premiere college football all star game - the senior bowl is nothing more than a coal bowl to try and get as many black players exposed to nfl scouts
and gm's as possible. We all know that nfl gms and scouts are lazy and make personnel decisions based on cliches and racial stereotypes anyways.

Below is a list of all white players invited to the east west shrine game to this point:

OG Brandon Vitabile
OT Brett Boyko
TE AJ Derby
OT Ali Marpet (Senior Bowl Invite as well)
QB Cody Fajardo
OT Mickey Baucus
QB Taylor Heinicke
QB Hutson Mason
RB Zach Zenner
C Dillon Day
OG Greg Mancz
OG Shane McDermott
QB Taylor Kelly
OG David Andrews
WR Addison Richards
OT Mark Glowinski
OT Sean Hickey




LB Jake Ryan
DT Travis Raciti
DE Davis Tull
LB Zach Vigil
DE Kyle Emanuel
DE Anthony Chickillo
LB AJ Tarpley
LB Ben Heeney
DT Daryl Waud
LB Cole Farrand
DE Henry Anderson

Great work as usual Leonardfan, do you know if this constitutes a good showing for our boys? I don't know what the composition of the rosters for the end of season draft games like this are normally like. The number of white defenders looks quite good considering the racial make up of most nfl defenses.

 

[celticdb15]

Great work as usual Leonardfan, do you know if this constitutes a good showing for our boys? I don't know what the composition of the rosters for the end of season draft games like this are normally like. The number of white defenders looks quite good considering the racial make up of most nfl defenses.

Don't mean to butt in but I am sure Leonardfan would agree,this is an exceptionally deep bowl roster !best I've seen in like 7years. Pretty much since I started paying attention. A few more skill position guys and it'd be perfect.

 

[celticdb15]

I can't stand guys with the awe shucks attitude I'll move to FB. Get a grip and show your stones by saying no coach feed me the ball!! Moving to FB is career suicide ask Hester and Leonard!

 

[woody39]

Don't mean to butt in but I am sure Leonardfan would agree,this is an exceptionally deep bowl roster !best I've seen in like 7years. Pretty much since I started paying attention. A few more skill position guys and it'd be perfect.

Cool thanks for that bud, quite new to following college football so just wondered what the past rosters were like. Did you enjoy the Packers Game last on Monday night? Nelson and Rodgers were on song good game to go too!!

 

[celticdb15]

Cool thanks for that bud, quite new to following college football so just wondered what the past rosters were like. Did you enjoy the Packers Game last on Monday night? Nelson and Rodgers were on song good game to go too!!

No problem and thanks for asking! Had a great time at the game. Awesome atmosphere I suggest any football fan make it to Lambeau at least once. Onlyregret I have was not bringing padding for the seats. Went through the game with wet jeans lol.

 

[woody39]

No problem and thanks for asking! Had a great time at the game. Awesome atmosphere I suggest any football fan make it to Lambeau at least once. Onlyregret I have was not bringing padding for the seats. Went through the game with wet jeans lol.

Haha have that at soccer matches here in the UK end up soaked! Lambeau does seem to have an awesome atmosphere when you see it on TV.

Want to see the Pats at Foxboro next time i come to the US, was there in October in New York and Washington for the first time but didn't have time to see a game.

Must get to an NFL game at some point here in the UK at Wembley, atmosphere seems good on the TV but live five hours from London so bit of a mission to get up there. Games in the UK generally suck though although have had the Pats a couple of times.

Anyway better stop clogging up the draft thread lol.

 

[PAT]

I can't stand guys with the awe shucks attitude I'll move to FB. Get a grip and show your stones by saying no coach feed me the ball!! Moving to FB is career suicide ask Hester and Leonard!

honestly if zenner does make it to the nfl he should demand to play runningback. if not that is outrageous. he is a pro level RB.

 

[white is right]

honestly if zenner does make it to the nfl he should demand to play runningback. if not that is outrageous. he is a pro level RB.

Here's a two man scouting report on Zenner with film breakdown. It's the first 34 minutes or so of the video. Both guys feel he can play tailback on Sundays just off of his performance against Nebraska. Note at the end of the evaluation the make the obligatory DWF joke about White tailbacks, but when they started the video they even mocked the comparisons of White tailbacks to Peyton Hillis or Danny Woodhead. I guess they forgot Alstott and Brian Leonard......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxXhp4Mdbck#t=2088

 

[Leonardfan]

Phil savage invited Blake sims to the senior bowl. What a joke. Sims is not a draftable prospect in any way. I really am beginning to despise that ***. He gm'd his way right out of the league making poor
personnel decisions and is now in charge of the senior bowl and essentially has the power to make sure at least 100 blacks will get drafted by attending it.

 

[Leonardfan]

Savage Actually announces the Alabama games. He also invited a very unproductive Alabama running back to the senior bowl.

 

[PAT]

was looking more into zenner, and during his HS days he played RB and WR... and he wasgoing to consider moving to safety to increase his versatility. wow, good thing he didnt... But this means he is too easy when it comes to a position change. im a fan of zenner, but he needs to buck up and demand to be a RB at the next level.

 

[Leonardfan]

the senior coal bowl announced more attendees yesterday. All the white players invited are at caste positions of TE - nick o'leary and Jeff huerrman and fb Connor neighbors. Qb Garrett Grayson was invited as well.

I read an article and that caste ****** stooge savage has extended invites to underclassmen mariota and Hundley. He also invited sims from Alabama to take away a qb slot from a deserving white qb like Sean mannion, Jake water or Bo Wallace because savage is a company man and doing Alabama a favor.

 

[PAT]

Heres something I found off draft site.... http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/position/fb/17/

http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/player/zach-zenner/22747/


They have Zach Zenner listed as a fullback... even though he played running back with good success in college. Most likely listed as a FB because he's white, wtf.

Im tired of seeing the same old RBs whose only black, how come Zenner can't be a RB at the next level and what is with the prejudice/stereotype cuz of who he is? How in the world does someone get listed as a fullback by countless draft sites even though this someone DID NOT play fullback but RB?!?!

if zenner becomes said fullback at the next level, i have lost all hope for humanity, even more so... like how? I see zenner if actually given the chance to play the position he was born to play, RB, he would have success doing so, but these kind of stereotypes and prejudices towards Zenner because of his skin color is a bit hypocritical wouldn't you say?



P.S. I apologize for my endless rant about this Zach Zenner topic. But it just pisses me off, and if Zenner gets a position change to like fullback that would be blasphemy . He has terrific foot speed to be an NFL tailback.


P.P.S Anyone with inside access to the minds of NFL pro scouts/General managers here, give them h3ll on my behalf for players like Zenner... enough with this, take a chance with Zenner as the position he had good success in college. stop assuming he will not be a good RB at the next level because of his color, because if they watch highlights of Zenner as I have they'll see he is FAST.


On the other hand, this is good stuff about Zenner http://www.mattandmikesports.com/nfl-draft/zach-zenner-rb-south-dakota-state-university

 

[celticdb15]

He's been mentioned before but I think Penn St DT Anthony Zettel should declare! He recently put in to see what his draft stock would be. He will likely be put through a racial apprenticeship anyways so might as well make NFL money. He's got good size/strength. He should benefit from being versatile he could play DT in 4-3 or end in a 3-4. Another guy with similar size is GT DT Adam Gatsis, he is more raw than Zettel but I like his potential.

 

[Leonardfan]

He's been mentioned before but I think Penn St DT Anthony Zettel should declare! He recently put in to see what his draft stock would be. He will likely be put through a racial apprenticeship anyways so might as well make NFL money. He's got good size/strength. He should benefit from being versatile he could play DT in 4-3 or end in a 3-4. Another guy with similar size is GT DT Adam Gatsis, he is more raw than Zettel but I like his potential.

Zettel is a beast. I hope he does leave early, franklin doesn't deserve him. Zettel should be a late first eary second rounder.

 

[Extra Point]

NFL Draft Scout lists fullback as Zach Zenner's primary position and running back or h back as his secondary positions.

The only reason they list him as a fullback is because he's white. The racism and stereotyping is blatant.

He was a running back in college and that's what he should be considered as in the pros.

Lurkers take note. Here's a blatant example of the anti-white caste system at work. A white man isn't even being considered for a position for no other reason than he's white.

 

[PAT]

NFL Draft Scout lists fullback as Zach Zenner's primary position and running back or h back as his secondary positions.

The only reason they list him as a fullback is because he's white. The racism and stereotyping is blatant.

He was a running back in college and that's what he should be considered as in the pros.

Lurkers take note. Here's a blatant example of the anti-white caste system at work. A white man isn't even being considered for a position for no other reason than he's white.

Basically what I said... isn't it what's the word, is it ironic or hypocritical, but haven't blacks talked about stereotyping and prejudicing them, but when it comes to Zach Zenner (white), no one seems to recognize that whites are also stereotyped and prejudiced in the NFL. prime example like said, zenner.

I watch the NFL and certain positions like RB, all you see are black players.. the only two white RB's I know in the NFL today are Hillis and Woodhead.. Really would like to see a tailback of different race for once to star in the NFL, and Zenner is the best chance for that.

unfortunately , this "anti-white caste system" is ruining zenner's chances even as we speak, perhaps.


im not the only one who thinks that zenner being listed as a fullback cuz hes white is stupid... but apparently these "experts", "pro scouts" think that's just all right, nothing wrong with that..



ZENNER IS TOO TALENTED to play a FULLBACK at the next level.

 

[PAT]

Just a question: How in the world do these pro scouts and experts even come to the conclusion that zenner is projected to be a fullback anyway when he played running back at college WITHOUT using the race card as the answer??

I would love to hear what baloney answer they come up with, because the right answer is it's because he's "white".



still a long ways to go till draft day, and zenner still has some pre draft events to attend, but who here sees zenner playing a RUNNING BACK for what NFL team ? ( keep in mind he'll have to get the cross examining of a WHITE running back by said NFL scouts/experts beforehand )