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No doubt Mitch King is a castefootball favorite and a player we all want to see succeed. If there is any team whose scheme will fit his style of play, it is the Colts. Personally I think King is versatile enough to play both the 3 tech position and an end spot, which SHOULD make him more valuable. We'll see how it works out for him.
 

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Here is a bit from Walterfootball. This guy says that Garcon and not Gonzalez will be the number 2 guy in Indianapolis this season.

If Wayne plays, the general consensus is that Pierre Garcon will once
again be the No. 2 receiver over Anthony Gonzalez. Garcon dropped one
too many passes last year, but he's a young wideout with an immense
amount of talent. He's a great deep threat and projects as Indianapolis'
next No. 1 wideout once Wayne moves on. Gonzalez, on the other hand, is
more of a natural slot receiver. He and Austin Collie will battle for
that position, and while Gonzalez is better, he's dealing with
bothersome knee issues. There's a good chance he'll be the No. 4
receiver in 2010 if he can even play.



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All this type of talk is just meaningless eyewash. Garcon lost them the SB with that drop. The Colts aren't going to ever forget that.

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Besides that Tom, Garcon is a possession receiver. He doesn't have deep speed like this guy says. Gonzalez is the guy that can really stretch the field. As I stated before this idiot Walter Cherpinsky knows nothing about football. I believe he just follows what other sites are saying. How can you say that Garcon has the potential to be a number 1 receiver?
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Tom, remember that Garcon is black and blacks usually get the benefit of the doubt more than once. I hope the Colts don't forget about his drops in the SB, and get rid of him, but lets not forget this team has kept more than one black WR who got worse in the playoffs. If Garcon was White, it would be a different story.
 

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Everything I've read on the situation points to Garcon being the number two receiver and Gonzalez and Collie battling for the "Wes Welker role." Garcon will be allowed to develop, something very rarely afforded White receivers.
Gonzo is still battling knee problems. I'd rather see Collie's role continue to develop, with Blair White and Sam Giguere brought along as backups, simply because too many DWFs don't realize Gonzalez is White, and Blair White and Giguere both have lots of talent. Wayne will be 32 this season, and Garcon will likely continue to make lots of mistakes (not to mention drops), so this still remains the best situation on any team for White receivers, unless by some miracle both Matt Jones and Jordan Shipley get lots of playing time for the Bengals.
 

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That's very discouraging. The Colts are idiots if they used a first round pick on Gonzalez who is cat quick and are going to use him as only a third receiver. Garcon is a sixth round pick and significantly slower and less talented than Gonzo.
 

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Garcon ran a 4.48 at the 2008 Combine. Gonzalez ran a 4.44 but issmaller than Garcon and now has knee problems. So it's not surprising to me at all that Gonzalez has likely been demoted in favor of Garcon; that's just how the NFL works.

The issue isn't that Garcon lacks talent, it's that there are so many White receivers that have just as much talent but never get an opportunity. The Colts are one of the very few teams to give White receivers any playing time.
 

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All this has me thinking how many starting white receivers we will have this upcoming season. Eric Decker may be a starter in Denver but Kevin Walter will most likely be demoted in favor of afflete Jacoby Jones.
 

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I doubt Decker will start as a rookie, especially coming off a serious foot injury. Jabbar Gaffney, Brandon Lloyd and other immortals will likely play over him. Walter and Brian Hartline are the most likely starting split ends, and yes Jacoby Jones is being groomed to take over for Kevin sooner or later (probably sooner). And in Miami the second starting job after Brandon Marshall is always portrayed as a competition between Hartline, Camarillo and Bess even though Hartline is clearly the best candidate.
 

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Don Wassall said:
Garcon ran a 4.48 at the 2008 Combine. Gonzalez ran a 4.44 but issmaller than Garcon and now has knee problems. So it's not surprising to me at all that Gonzalez has likely been demoted in favor of Garcon; that's just how the NFL works.

The issue isn't that Garcon lacks talent, it's that there are so many White receivers that have just as much talent but never get an opportunity. The Colts are one of the very few teams to give White receivers any playing time.


you nail it here, Don.

another thing to remember is that Garcon, who played at Division Three Mount Union is being given ample opportunities to prove he belongs ... this, despite the fact that he wasn't even the best player on his D-III team. nope, that would be a White tailback who was MUCH more productive and faster than Garcon ... but hewasn't anafflete, so that means he wasn't a real athlete at all. he didn't even get an invite to a camp. if anyone is interested, they can read more about Nate Kmic and Pierre Garcon here, in an article I wrote a while back.

Garcon can run pretty well, and he has decent size. however, if Gonzo is healthy i'd take him in a heartbeat because, unlike Garcon, he catches everything and runs great routes in addition to having good speed.

i am just hoping that Collie continues to improve, and that Canadian Sam Giguere (the most physically gifted of all the receivers on the roster) and Blair White get legitimate chances to not only make the roster, but also contribute this season. that's a BIG hope, though, because while the Colts play more Whites than virtually any other team in the League, they've a history of jerking around White wideouts that they've kept around before. John Standeford or Trevor Insley, anyone?

also, it should be noted that the Colts also have the incredibly productive John Matthews in camp, as well as another impressive Canadian athlete, Jordan Sisco. Matthews put up MUCH better on-field numbers than Garcon at a higher level of competition, postedsimilar straight-linespeed (4.52 to Garcon's 4.48), better agility numbers, and is the same height ... yet he didn't get drafted. neither did Sisco, who at the exact same size as Garcon ran a 4.4040and like his Canadian cohort, is an exceptional leaper. just like Giguere, White, etc., Sisco didn't get a smell of the Draft. i wonder why?

what does Garcon have that Matthews, Giguere, White, and Sisco do not? i wonder ...
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It's time once again to play "How Many Racist Stereotypes Can You Identify?" I countfivejust in thesecond sentenceof the third paragraph:




If you asked Manning if he would rather have too many weapons or not enough, the future Hall of Famer would not hesitate for a second. This season the Colts have a battle brewing at the No. 2 and slot receiver positions. Reggie Wayne is the No.1 receiver and Dallas Clark is the tight end/slot receiver, leaving two open slots for three receivers. Austin Collie, Anthony Gonzalez, and Pierre Garcon are three young wideouts who have all shown flashes of promise going forward.

Garcon looks to have the upper hand because of his talent and upside, as well as, his production last season. Garcon is able to separate himself from the other two, because he has the skill set to become a star receiver in this league.

In regards to Collie and Gonzalez, each brings a very similar set of tools to the table. Just as
Brandon Stokley did when he was with the Colts, Gonzalez and Collie are reliable, move the chain type receivers, who are not the most talented, but will give 110 percent on every play. If an injury had not derailed Gonzalez last season, he could very well be the No. 2 receiver this season, and Garcon and Collie may never have had the opportunity to excel last season. Collie appears to be more durable and with youth on his side, the Colts may give him the nod for the simple fact that he may have more upside.


http://www.rototimes.com/article/2010/7/32-Teams-in-32-Days-Indianapolis-Colts

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as with most of these "reporters," this clown doesn't waste him time looking for facts. rather, he simply spouts the same old tired cliches, and the idiot sheeple eat it up.

in the above "report," i find at least 3 easily-refuted factual errors.

false statement#1: "Garcon has more talent and upside ..."
the truth: Gonzalez at the same height is slightly faster, significantly more agile, and can jump higher than Garcon, and drops fewer passes, but is slightly less strong and has been hampered by injuries and thus has missed a lot of practice/game time. one might think that those factors would indicateGonzalez is, in fact, more talented and potentially has more upside than Garcon.

Austin Collie, while not as fast in a straight line at the same size as Garcon has superior agility and quickness, has better hands (as shown by his more receptions with fewer drops), and is just a rookie. one might think that Collie, while not as impressive on a stop watch isequally talented(as shown by how difficult he isto cover) on the football field, and since he's only played one year that he might havesuperior upside.

false statement #2: "Gonzalez and Collieare reliable, move the chain type receivers, whoare not the most talented ... "
the truth: as shown in my explanation above, Gonzalez is a superior athlete to Garcon judging by the exact same standards as the "reporter" uses to cite Garcon's talent. so how is it possible that Gonzalez isn't more talented? this is obvious anti-White bias. Collie isn't as fast in a straight line, nor can he jump as high, as Garcon, yet he is quicker, more agile, and drops fewer balls. it would seem like each of these players is talented, albeit in different areas.

on the field, Garcon only managed 4 catches and averaged a mere 5.8 yards-per-catch as a rookie, and had 0 touchdowns, yet he has "upside." as rookies, Gonzalez had 37 catches, averaged 15.6 yards-per, and snared 3 touchdowns, andCollie had 60 catches, averaged 11.3 yards-per, and 7 touchdowns ... yet these two players are apparently over-achievers. how exactly does that work?

false statement #3: "Collie ... with youth on his side ... "
the truth: Collie is actually 9 months older than Garcon. i mean, do these "reporter" guys get anything right? they manage to screw up even innocuous information like this.

with that obvious fact, how can anyone expect them to get the difficult ideas and stories correct?
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Don Wassall said:
It's time once again to play "How Many Racist Stereotypes Can You Identify?" I countfivejust in thesecond sentenceof the third paragraph:
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<div>If you asked Manning if he would rather have too many weapons or not enough, the future Hall of Famer would not hesitate for a second. This season the Colts have a battle brewing at the No. 2 and slot receiver positions. Reggie Wayne</font> is the No.1 receiver and Dallas Clark</font> is the tight end/slot receiver, leaving two open slots for three receivers. Austin Collie</font>, Anthony Gonzalez</font>, and Pierre Garcon</font> are three young wideouts who have all shown flashes of promise going forward.

Garcon looks to have the upper hand because of his talent and upside, as well as, his production last season. Garcon is able to separate himself from the other two, because he has the skill set to become a star receiver in this league.

In regards to Collie and Gonzalez, each brings a very similar set of tools to the table. Just as
Brandon Stokley</font> did when he was with the Colts, Gonzalez and Collie are reliable, move the chain type receivers, who are not the most talented, but will give 110 percent on every play. If an injury had not derailed Gonzalez last season, he could very well be the No. 2 receiver this season, and Garcon and Collie may never have had the opportunity to excel last season. Collie appears to be more durable and with youth on his side, the Colts may give him the nod for the simple fact that he may have more upside. </div>


http://www.rototimes.com/article/2010/7/32-Teams-in-32-Days-Indianapolis-Colts
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I remember hearing that Peyton Manning was high on Eric Decker before the draft. Could you imagine if the Colts had drafted Eric, the writer's brain may have fried trying to describe his talents. You are right Don, this is a classic.
 

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If the Colts drafted Decker we would probably hear about them being too white. After all they have Giguere, Collie, Gonzalez, and Clark whose really a bulked up receiver. We already heard that concept about the Indiana Pacers.
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Collie and Gonzo are suddenly "not the most talented?"Â￾ Yeah, right. I suppose that any lie, when parroted long enough by bird-brains (and no matter how blatantly absurd), eventually blends into the subconscious of the feeble-brained MassMan DWFs"¦along with infinite rolodex of universally force-fed racial deceit. The cliché-catalog forgot to reference their old stalwart terminology"¦classics such as "gritty,"Â￾ "blue collar,"Â￾ "high-motor,"Â￾ "lunch pail"Â￾ and "over achiever."Â￾

If I were a sportswriter, I would compare Collie's skill set to that of a much larger version of Steve Smith (minus the propensity to be permanently injured)"¦.and Gonzales's skill set to that of Miles Austin. But no, they both happen to be white wide receivers, and thus, are only permitted to be compared to Welker, Crebet, Stokley, Prohel, etc.

Garcon does have above average talent, but he isn't some "speed burner,"Â￾ and certainly doesn't have the greatest hands. Collie would be a great candidate to take over Harrison's role; however, Collie is naturally more athletic and tough.Edited by: Thrashen
 

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What's important to me, though, is do Indy fans like Austin Collie?

I think the answer is YES!! He had an EXCELLENT rookie season. The Indy coaches would be dumb if they don't use him as much as possible.
 

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The Indianapolis DWFs seem to be a rarity in that they don't have a strong close-minded dislike for White players at "taboo" positions. Same with Denver, where Broncos fans really liked Peyton Hillis (and Ed McCaffrey before him). That's why I'm cautiously optimistic that Eric Decker landed in a good situation, similar to Collie and Brian Hartline last year.
 

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Don, I was in Indiana and Indianapolis last summer. It very white and conservative. I would say it reminds me of US in the 60s and 70s from what I have read. If I was not established in Ca and in my early 20 I would move there, great state and cities. Every where you look are whites. The only coastal towns where I can say the same thing is Destin and Fort Walton Fl.
 

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Jimmy Chitwood said:
as with most of these "reporters," this clown doesn't waste him time looking for facts. rather, he simply spouts the same old tired cliches, and the idiot sheeple eat it up.
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<div>in the above "report," i find at least 3 easily-refuted factual errors.</div>
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<div>false statement #1: "Garcon has more talent and upside ..." </div>
<div>the truth: Gonzalez at the same height is slightly faster, significantly more agile, and can jump higher than Garcon, and drops fewer passes, but is slightly less strong and has been hampered by injuries and thus has missed a lot of practice/game time. one might think that those factors would indicate Gonzalez is, in fact, more talented and potentially has more upside than Garcon. </div>
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<div>Austin Collie, while not as fast in a straight line at the same size as Garcon has superior agility and quickness, has better hands (as shown by his more receptions with fewer drops), and is just a rookie. one might think that Collie, while not as impressive on a stop watch is equally talented (as shown by how difficult he is to cover) on the football field, and since he's only played one year that he might have superior upside.</div>
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<div>false statement #2: "Gonzalez and Collie are reliable, move the chain type receivers, who are not the most talented ... "</div>
<div>the truth: as shown in my explanation above, Gonzalez is a superior athlete to Garcon judging by the exact same standards as the "reporter" uses to cite Garcon's talent. so how is it possible that Gonzalez isn't more talented? this is obvious anti-White bias. Collie isn't as fast in a straight line, nor can he jump as high, as Garcon, yet he is quicker, more agile, and drops fewer balls. it would seem like each of these players is talented, albeit in different areas.</div>
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<div>on the field, Garcon only managed 4 catches and averaged a mere 5.8 yards-per-catch as a rookie, and had 0 touchdowns, yet he has "upside." as rookies, Gonzalez had 37 catches, averaged 15.6 yards-per, and snared 3 touchdowns, and Collie had 60 catches, averaged 11.3 yards-per, and 7 touchdowns ... yet these two players are apparently over-achievers. how exactly does that work?</div>
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<div>false statement #3: "Collie ... with youth on his side ... "</div>
<div>the truth: Collie is actually 9 months older than Garcon. i mean, do these "reporter" guys get anything right? they manage to screw up even innocuous information like this. </div>
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<div>with that obvious fact, how can anyone expect them to get the difficult ideas and stories correct?
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Spot on post Jimmy. I think you should try posting this in the comment section of this "reporters" article, but I fear that these understanding and openminded site policeman may take it down.
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The truth shall not set the "free" press free.
 

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Never mind, I see this "report" has no comment section. I guess this "mighty" and "noble" reporter is above getting his "flawless" work critiqued any avid football fan. This must make him above Shakespeare.

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All American Sheeple at once: "It's the only viewpoint given- so this must be the truth, there is no counter argument given in this free press! Gonzalez or Collie to the bench!"Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
 

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a couple of nice columns discussing the Colts ...

this one is refreshingly candid: Colts' Reggie Wayne and Robert Mathis need a reality check.

some poignant snippets:
Both of you excel at your respective positions, and to be fair, I can see why you <EM itxt="1">think [/i]you should command larger salaries.But you're really not looking at the big picture. These are deals that both of you agreed to (and were more than happy to get) just a couple of years ago.Beyond that, consider the following.
Neither of you isThe Man(ning).

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Being one of the league's most productive receivers has prompted Wayne to seek more cash
Reggie, I'm going to be blunt:Indy is stacked with pass catchers.Even your tight end can haul inwhatever is thrown at him.Andwith the emergence of youngsters like Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie, now is probably not the best time to be rocking the boat.You may be a critical piece of the offense, but in the end, you're probably not as necessary as you'd like to believe.
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So let's turn the Diva Dial down. A lot ...

and despite some inaccurate characterizations about Dallas Clark and the White wideouts (what else is new?), this 2010 previewis VERY complimentary about Peyton Manning. and you have to love the accompanying photo.
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When cornerback Tracy Porter jumped Reggie Wayne's route for a pick-six that essentially sealed a Saints victory in Super Bowl XLIV, he inadvertently delayed what could have been the most polarizing debate in football's modern era. That debate is whether Peyton Manning is the game's greatest quarterback.


Think "greatest ever"Â￾ is too extreme? There are plenty of people eager to take the affirmative side. And not just talk radio drones or Hoosier State homers. Some N.F.L. front office executives, analysts and coaches have already begun whispering about Manning as the "G.O.A.T"Â￾ (greatest of all time) Eventually, those whispers will evolve into shouts...
 

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What really puzzles me is that many people are predicting Gonzalez to be the fourth wide receiver this season. Many feel that Garcon will be the starter and Collie will be the number three receiver.
 

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Pat Angerer may have to serve his racial apprenticeship. From Rotoworld:

Colts signed No. 63 overall pick LB Pat Angerer to a four-year, $3.14 million contract.
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An All Big-Ten selection as Iowa's leading tackler last season, Angerer
is expected to begin his career as MLB Gary Brackett's backup instead
of competing for Phillip Wheeler's strong-side job. He'll be limited to
special teams and situational work as a rookie.
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Hey at least he's second string. I know I may sound overly optimistic but he's one injury away from seizing his chance.
 
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