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  1. werewolf

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    That's what I thought.

    I contribute to online websites.

    Where did I call you a Jew? Show me. I'm also still waiting for you to show me the last one I called you out on, too.

    Yeah, of course, I'll treat a person politely who treats me politely - and addresses the subject honestly. This is a serious thread, not a joke thread. And crap like this:

    PC crap like that might play well to your PC buddies here, but it is nothing but an attempt to mindlessly mock the disrupt the subject of the thread and avoid responding to the questions that have been asked.

    And, of course, they teach them to cover their eyes and ears and shriek, "Conspiracy theory!" whenever they are confronted with upsetting facts that confuse them.



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    Man, lots of trolls on this thread. Finally, a post that's relevant to the subject matter again.

    Anyway, yes, a drill, just like 9/11 and 7/7 (in London). Fits into the video Don submitted that shows the footage of those rescue workers, etc. just walking and scurrying around...like...it's...a drill. This would explain a lot of the kids reaction to the questions they were asked at the scene right after the event as well.

    Here's some more footage similar to Don's, except they are just standing around and the only emergency vehicle present, a firetruck, says it's from "Detroit". Maybe bought from that city after they had to lay off a bunch of their firemen in a "firesale" or something. Anyway, it's from some Brit that has some good commentary as well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnpBAjTap3s

    He has some more on his YT channel that are worth watching. Here's another where he notices (like the other interviews) how 0bama and guns are brought up into the interview with very little real emotion being displayed just two days after the event:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLJBJbs5i-U&bpctr=1360520310
     
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    there will always be a lot of incoherences in events like this, especially today because the media are dumb, and they want to put the info out before everybody, so ofcourse there's going to be a lot more errors

    just on the topic of the media, i looked at that video, and did these clowns really want you to belive that they were in saudi arabia?
    it looked so fake
    a few weeks ago i watched some live french news channel (inspired by the american media - we didn't have that kind of channels a few years ago in france), i wanted to know if that helicopter accident in london i heard about was a terrorist act or not
    i was amazed by the fact that they talked about the incident, but they didn't have anybody on the scene, in london, they were just showing pictures they found on google and videos from youtube
    at one point they showed a video of the scene after the accident and i saw the pop-up commercial that you see on youtube and on similar video-streming websites ( http://lifecasting.tv/public/English/.commercial_m.jpg )
    it was so ridiculous

    here's a picture of bernard henry levy, french jew, acting like he was in danger in yugoslavia, while he was in a regular street and you can see people passing by from another angle:

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    but this kind of event, staged? i don't believe it, and the errors and misreports by the media won't change my mind

    just as an example, on the top of my head, i'm going to tell you a few misreports done by the press during mohamed merah's killings:

    the killer (mohammed merah, an arab) was first said to be a white man with blue eyes, a woman who saw him just before one of the killings told so
    the killer was said to have ties with israel, there were misreports in the timeline of his trips to pakistan, where he met al-qaeda (a misreport by the press was incompatible with the fact that he was in france during a certain period)
    he was linked to secret service (EVERY french citizen who goes to pakistan or afganistan will have contact with te secret services, because obviously they don't go there on vacations, so that's the secret service's role to ask them what were they doing there and to monitor what they do once they go back to france)
    the timing was very convenient for the french president at the time, sarkozy, who was going to lose the election in a few weeks and would have needed a similar incident to be re-elected (he lost the elections anyways)
    the killer was acting like a professional
    when the police caught him, the president asked to catch him alive, but he was killed, you could have thought that they killed him so he wouldn't say anything about the alledged conspiracy
    no video was released, while he was filming himself while he was killing people, and there were security cameras everywhere
    merah's family had an attorney who claimed to have a tape proving that merah was innocent and that the french state used him as a scapegoat while THEY did the killings (this tape was never released, it probably never existed)
    ect, ect

    yet, a month or so later, the biggest french TV channel released a complete documentary on the event, including audio footage of the killer saying how he prepared the killings, why he did it, why they wouldn't be able to catch him alive, they shown videos, photos, ect
    there is NOT A SINGLE DOUBT that this was not a conspiracy, that the event was as real as it gets, yet there were MUCH MORE suspicious things going on in this case than in the sandy hook killing
     
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    Here's some of the evidence Highlander has offered. An obviously doctored photo. The devil sign hand is faked along and the little girl's face is a clumsy patch job. Look at them closely. Hell, you don't even have to look at the closely. I spotted them right away. That's why it's not really a video when you watch the Youtube clip.

    But I'm a skeptic when it comes to far-fetched conspiracy theories. I have a saner outlook on life.
     
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    I think it's a big turn-off for those who would otherwise be amenable to the idea of a planned/faked Sandy Hook incident if so much of the discussion wouldn't veer off into the "devil hand sign" and similar direction.

    I can understand the government wanting to disarm the people and staging a tragedy to drum up support. I guess I could even listen to an avenging israeli death squad explanation. But the idea that all these people are flashing the "devils sign" to...what? Show satan they are on his side? Signal to fellow satanists--IT'S ON!!!(?) Lord it over us loser non-satanists that they just scored--some sort of satanic TD celebration?

    I don't get it. I understand that this may all be the work of some evil people, and maybe they are motivated that way but to have some background people flashing the sign like it's an out in the open secret signal to each other. That just stretches the credulity of the other claims which are at least based on a search for factual truth.

    If anyone has a explanation for that I would be interested.
     
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    Way too much of it, and the lowest kind too. There are thousands of internet forums. No point wasting more time here.



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    No one is trolling this thread. Just people commenting like yourself. And asking questions which you prefer not to answer.
     
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    I know it's been mentioned a few times, "why doesn't someone go there and ask questions?" Well a couple from Canada actually did back on January 20th. It's an interesting exchange with some good photos that neither proves nor disproves anything. It does however show that the school is now fenced off with barbed wire and security cameras.

    http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/01/28/an-inquisitive-couples-visit-to-newtown-connecticut/#more-2220

    I'm fairly certain we'll never get to see any photos from inside the school like a classroom riddled with 100+ bullets. They are stonewalling til interest in this dies. A simple photo from the security cameras of Lanza entering or approaching the school in his tactical vest with guns would easily disprove many of these "conspiracy theories". They won't ever show us this and these theories will never die. Maybe that's how the "powers that be" like it?
     
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    Yeah, I'm sure there other sites that need to be spammed with someone's 24/7 conspiracy mindset.
     
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    So do I, but the PTB don't.

    As Freethinker mentioned, and I was going to as well, all they have to do is release the video taken from the front of the building, but they won't. Just like in 9/11 when all of the video footage from the video camera's, sans one, were removed from the Pentagon as well as any surrounding businesses that may have gleamed a glimpse of what really happened. Why?

    So far, all we have to go on as far as the children's bodies go is what that zany "coroner" said. No "parent" ID'd the bodies and all of them had a closed-casket funeral from what I gathered. How convenient.

    It shouldn't be considered a crime to question these things.
     
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    http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/01/28/an-inquisitive-couples-visit-to-newtown-connecticut/#more-2220

    That's a great link, Freethinker. Thanks. Interesting discussions by people with intellect and inquiring minds, too. I'll be moving there now.

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    Just like in 9/11 when all of the video footage from the video camera's, sans one, were removed from the Pentagon as well as any surrounding businesses that may have gleamed a glimpse of what really happened. Why?"

    Nope, Highlander. Sans none. Right after 911 the FBI went racing out and confiscated all 84 video cam tapes from the surveillance cams that surrounded the Pentagon and all the videocams on nearby businesses, and they've never been seen since Also the feds went to the 911 airports and took all the post-911 debriefing interviews with the ATC's...and then ran them through shredders. Also they told us that all the airport surveillance cams weren't working on 911, and likewise on 77 in London. But don't get me started on 911. The nitwits will wet their panties shrieking "conspiracy theory!"

    "It shouldn't be considered a crime to question these things"

    It should be a crime not to.





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    The pictures the Canadian couple took of the school remind me of what I noticed from the footage taken the day of the alleged tragedy -- none of the windows in the school have any drawings or pictures of any kind, as schools typically do. There are no Christmas decorations on or around the school, yet this took place on December 14th. The school quite frankly looks like it wasn't in use, as one woman showed very well with google earth type pictures taken earlier in the year that showed the Sandy Hook school with no cars or activity of any kind, while on the same day the parking lot of another school down the road a ways had lots of cars and at least one visible school bus.

    The lousy acting jobs, not one single person interviewed shedding any tears or looking red-eyed or otherwise grief-stricken, the footage of people milling around and walking in circles like it was a drill, the blocking off of the road with vehicles scattered everywhere so that no ambulances could get in or out, the lack of photographs and surveillance footage of Lanza and the victims, no pictures of any of the victims at all nor footage of those injured being carried into ambulances, the inability to document any trace of Lanza at all over the past three years, no blood shown anywhere, no footage of the kids after they were supposedly evacuated, a full-scale drill taking place the same day in a neighboring county, more and more it looks like this was one of many such drills that take place regularly in this paranoid country, one in which public schools have been turned into veritable prisons post-9/11, but this one went a step beyond and was turned into an "actual event" to push public opinion toward supporting gun control in its aftermath.
     
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    Here's another one with aerial footage of those FEMA "workers" at the Fire Station walking around in circles, or otherwise aimlessly, pretending to be busy. Almost halfway through it, he finds and focuses on the "Gene Rosen" character (literally...the awful (and obvious) actor that said he took in those children at the end of his driveway) walking around in circles and pacing, appearing to be practicing his lines. At one point he stops to talk to someone in a black suit that appears to be either coaching him or interviewing him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTI8KlAABPg
     
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    This is really a great summary of the "alternative" argument to the official story. I'd like to hear some of the "saner" minds answer even just a few of these questions.

    I myself, keep hoping that these theories will be dis-proven. I want to be wrong. I hate the idea that 26 people (20 young children) were really murdered, but the alternative is almost more disturbing. After all, if "our benevolent" leaders would fake the deaths of young children, what won't they attempt as the American Empire continues to crumble?

    They could go for broke. After the Patriot Act, the NDAA, domestic drone use and the purchasing of billions of hollow point bullets by various federal agencies, might disarming the populous might be the last hurdle on their checklist before raising hell on earth? If Sandy Hook is a real life Wag The Dog, then we must expose it or shine light on it. The government and media are known liars and I believe they must prove beyond a shadow of a doubt before we believe anything they say ever again.

    Remember, if they fail to pass gun "control" legislation this go round, you can bet another "convenient" tragedy will come along to spark the debate again. We should always be skeptical when events that prompt "legislative action" take place.
     
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    If shadowy forces staged a purely bogus shooting spree they would have to invent "victims" to present to the public. Right? Therefore, nobody in the school or the wider community would know these fake victims and their fake families. Correct? So, can you see a potential problem? ****, perhaps the entire school is fictitious...

    Now, a "covert death squad" scenario would require the daytime deployment of government / SPECTRE-esque operatives willing to liquidate little kids followed by a clean extraction (potentially including "disposal" of every casual witness). But then there would be no need for sham families to front the media or for the photoshopping of little girls, et cetera, because the victims would be "genuine".

    Earlier in the thread, jaxvid made the following statement:

    Funnily enough, you failed to comment on that one. It's awfully easy to pick and choose angles which are beneficial to your argument while simply ignoring those which are not. As The Hock pointed out, some of the so-called "damning evidence" turning up on Youtube and other sites is laughably doctored - but "enthusiasts" of all political persuasions display a tendency to readily believe that which they deeply wish to believe, regardless of how improbable such "facts" may be.

    Keep in mind that organisations and ideologies you are vehemently opposed to don't hold a monopoly on the dissemination of disinformation. It can come from all quarters, as most commentators have some kind of agenda (and no, I'm not necessarily referring to any grandiose conspiracy theories, just the realities of politics and human nature...).

    If you wish to talk about inconsistencies in initial news reports, let's use your "assertion" that Sonny Bill Williams is White as a related example, shall we? You made a mistake. Was it intentional? No. Were you attempting to mislead the world? No. Yet if someone else committed that particular error, you'd be the candidate most likely to leap up and scream "troll" or "shill"...
     
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    This is the same unconnected unconvincing stuff you have posted a bunch of times already. Which among these indentical accusations is supposed to be more convincing then before?
    We already know that there were conflicting reports initially. We know that the weapons used were reported differently. There was video of some guy being chased-so what? Some of the parents weren't sufficiently in perpetual morose mourning. None of that "proves" the incident was fake and staged.
     
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    QUOTE=jaxvid;274491]This is the same unconnected unconvincing stuff you have posted a bunch of times already.

    Granted, I've posted it, or similar before - i copied over the link from whatreallyhappened.com just now - but imho it is anything but unconvincing, and while disjointed it is in toto extremely convincing.

    Which among these indentical accusations is supposed to be more convincing then before?
    We already know that there were conflicting reports initially.

    Initial news reports on a carefully censored and controlled medium, such as the US mass media, is usually by far the most accurate, before "adjustments" and "political corrections" can be made.

    We know that the weapons used were reported differently.

    We were old in no uncertain terms that the ALLEGED shooter only had handguns.

    There was video of some guy being chased-so what?

    Whoa! Not "some guy" but two men. two men chased down in the woods and apprehended by the police right after the shooting. and we not only have the eyewitness reports, but it was shown live on tv! And then never mentioned again!

    Some of the parents weren't sufficiently in perpetual morose mourning.

    Now you're really twisting things. You're getting more intent on trying to mock it than you are in looking at the evidence of your own eyes. Those videos of Robbie Parker and the happy McMillans (or whatever their name is) were taken the day after, or two days after, the ALLEGED murder of their children. No red or puffy eyes, impeccably attired, not a tear amongst the whole Newton crew. Real life humans do not react to tragedy like that on this planet.

    (None of that "proves" the incident was fake and staged.[/QUOTE]

    Take all these things together - or even any one alone - and in my opinion it most certainly does prove the title of this thread.

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    QUOTE=jaxvid;274491]This is the same unconnected unconvincing stuff you have posted a bunch of times already.

    Granted, I've posted it, or similar before - i copied over the link from whatreallyhappened.com just now - but imho it is anything but unconvincing, and while disjointed it is in toto extremely convincing.

    Which among these indentical accusations is supposed to be more convincing then before?
    We already know that there were conflicting reports initially.

    Initial news reports on a carefully censored and controlled medium, such as the US mass media, is usually by far the most accurate, before "adjustments" and "political corrections" can be made.

    We know that the weapons used were reported differently.

    We were told in no uncertain terms that the ALLEGED shooter only had handguns.

    There was video of some guy being chased-so what?

    Whoa! Not "some guy" but two men. two men chased down in the woods and apprehended by the police right after the shooting. and we not only have the eyewitness reports, but it was shown live on tv! And then never mentioned again!

    Some of the parents weren't sufficiently in perpetual morose mourning.

    Now you're really twisting things. You're getting more intent on trying to mock it than you are in looking at the evidence of your own eyes. Those videos of Robbie Parker and the happy McMillans (or whatever their name is) were taken the day after, or two days after, the ALLEGED murder of their children. No red or puffy eyes, impeccably attired, not a single tear amongst the whole Newton crew (or President Barry either when he was doing his fake crying routine). Real life humans do not react to tragedy like that on this planet.

    (None of that "proves" the incident was fake and staged.[/QUOTE]

    Take all these things together - or even any one alone - and in my opinion it most certainly does prove the title of this thread.

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    My point was that the video had nothing new compared to information that was out there before and if that had not convinced a person before why would it now?

    I will admit that I have not seen much video of the "grieving parents". I don't care for that kind of stuff and have avoided it. But perhaps some of the smiling faces of the parents were when they were asked to remember the good times with their children or something similar that makes a person in morning remember a lost loved one fondly.

    As to the two guys that were running away that the police chased down, who says they had anything to do with the shooting? Maybe they were guilty of something else and when they saw the cops they ran. It could easily have nothing to do with the actual event.

    Besides you are saying that the whole thing was faked and that the parents that are grieving are actors or liars. So who cares about the guys the police were chasing? If there was no actual shooting what could they have been guilty of?

    Inaccurate news reports are typical especially today when news stations are in a rush to be first with a story and go with the first stuff they gather. In the era of immediate updates from the internet, news stations are under pressure to provide news fast, and that results in careless reporting.

    And anyway you have constantly said the press is in on the whole thing, part and parcel of the whole fake incident. Why then are they putting out important information that would disprove the "official" government lies that they are supposed to be feeding us? If anything the inaccuracies and incorrect news reporting is evidence that the information is in fact not scripted and is instead chaotic and subject to changes in actual information as it becomes apparent. Which is what one would expect in a situation like that.

    Like I have said before. I don't know what actually happened at Sandy Hook. I only know what I read. The alternative explanations to the "official" version are not coherent and seem to be a mish-mash of different themes that do not, in my opinion, seem to provide a reasonable explanation of what happened. I do acknowledge that the "official" version is also flawed in some ways but does provide a more reasonable explanation for the events as they have been reported.
     
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    QUOTE=jaxvid;274548]My point was that the video had nothing new compared to information that was out there before and if that had not convinced a person before why would it now?


    Right. People can believe what they want to believe. As they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Most people are herd animals and they will believe whatever they are told to believe by whatever is in power at any given point in time.


    I will admit that I have not seen much video of the "grieving parents".

    Then what's the point of you trying to debate this since you admittedly have not seen the evidence or watched any of the vids linked above - many of which, by the way, have since been disappeared by Youtube?

    I don't care for that kind of stuff and have avoided it. But perhaps some of the smiling faces of the parents were when they were asked to remember the good times with their children or something similar that makes a person in morning remember a lost loved one fondly.

    No, they are not crying and sadly smiling as they remember the good times. The McNallens and the rest are just plain HAPPY. There's not a real tear or red or swollen eye from crying in the town.


    As to the two guys that were running away that the police chased down, who says they had anything to do with the shooting? Maybe they were guilty of something else and when they saw the cops they ran. It could easily have nothing to do with the actual event.

    Yeah right, "nothing to do with the actual event"...

    It's getting hard to find unedited vid of the two men being chased down in the woods with the audio as they are apparently disappearing a lot of it. You can find it here starting ~ 13:50:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EwIvy1GXRU
     
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