Just a clarification that I have no issues with the topic itself. I agree that it's a valid subject that warrants a civilized debate, and that's why we have the Happy Hour forum for all non-sports related subjects. I also wouldn't mind people responding to trolls and the like and destroying their arguments, as it has happened many times in the past, as long as folks then don't turn against each other, which seems to be an unfortunate by-product. My primary beef here is with the OP himself, who has told us at least a dozen times in 2 different posts how good looking, educated, cultured, and intelligent he is. You simply can't take someone like that seriously.