There is a simple obvious reason that there are no white corners in the NFL

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  1. Deadlift

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    "3- Many people are claiming Taboo to be "full of crap" but have given little support as to why. Is it the bible on genetics and athletics? No, but it provides logical arguments supported by scientific evidence, research, and reality. The fact there are very few whites in the NBA who are leading in rebounds (despite the fact that non American whites have seen a resurgence in the NBA) is not "crap" its an example of a missing element to their game, its just as non racial as the fact that top free throw and 3 point shooters have been white for decades. Is the three point line racist? White players are not rebounding forces (aside from Kevin Love) because even the 7 footers cannot jump with many of the black players. They lead in perimeter and free throw shooting becuase they spend more time honing those skills to compensate for things they are not good in. Reggie Miller is a good example of the same phenomena in a different color. Miller did not have springs in his legs to be an inside presence, so he honed his shooting ability and made himself a star."


    When did PAU, Gortat and David Lee become black guys? And, I guess it's such a shame that Marc Gasol - who might not be a monster rebounder - has "honed his skills" such as passing and defense? Memphis sure is thankful, though. They had a monster regular season, better than anyone expected, and achieved most of it with "springy Zach Randolph" injured. Randolph's springs allow him to grab rebounds.. however, they somehow prevent him from blocking shots! He needs to get those springs checked!
     
  2. The Sapient

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    Agreed.
     
  3. The Sapient

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    Ryan Tannehill will be another one with his A&M Pro Day time 4.58.
     
  4. Quiet Speed

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    This thread is like a blast from the past. “Black Guy” attempted to set us straight some seven years ago with similar arguments. It's worth posting a link to that thread because of the quality of post that followed Black Guy’s assertions: My take on this site.
     
  5. Alpha Male

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    There is nothing wrong with rooting for a player because you identify with them. However, when i see stuff like "affirmative action league draft" it diminishes the idea that some of the rhetoric on this site is not clearly based on an arbitray dislike of black players. You may not be a participant in that but the tone is clear overall.




    I don't think the label AA league is necessarily rooted in an "arbitrary dislike of black players." It is rooted in the very concrete reality of racial quotas. 28.3 percent of postal service clerks and 26.4 of postal service mail sorters, processors, and processing machine operators are black. Remember that the black population in the United States is heavily concentrated in the Southern states, so you can only surmise from this that the USPS would be even darker if there were more blacks living in states like Maine, Kentucky, Montana, Utah, Iowa, Colorado, Idaho, Alaska, Nebraska, etc. (SBPDL) Is that percentage a reflection of some hitherto unknown mail delivering superiority? Or is there something else at play? It is a logical fallacy to assume that in a society where racial bating takes precedence in college enrollment and occupational hiring, that professional sports is the holy grail of purity—where only the best of the best play and that’s all that matters.


    You go on, White players are not rebounding forces (aside from Kevin Love) because even the 7 footers cannot jump with many of the black players. They lead in perimeter and free throw shooting becuase they spend more time honing those skills to compensate for things they are not good in."


    This site has provided ample evidence to debunk “the white men can’t jump myth.” White men won all three medals in 2004 Olympic high jump. Stephan Holm can jump higher than anyone in the NFL; the few whites that are actually invited to the combine, like the video linked to the front page, actually outperform their black counterparts in jumping. Blacks have on average longer arms (something many of us have observed in the realm of the boxing, where even taller whites have shorter arms than their black foes). The latter disadvantage, however is an advantage when it comes to generating power, as shorter arms can generate more torque. Of course, having shorter arms is an obvious advantage in bench pressing, another combine event where whites outperform blacks on average.

    I will concede that whites are superior at things that require eye hand coordination, like shooting or throwing a football accurately, but not because of nurture, as you so stated, but because of a natural advantage in spatial cognition.
     
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  6. Toby Hillis

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    I never understand these people, the ones who have so much trouble comprehending our position, when all they have to do is go back a mere 20-25 years ago. It's the same exact thing as the black QB thing pre-1990s. Warren Moon was a very good QB at the University of Washington. Yet, when scouts/coaches/GMs looked at Moon, they saw a WR/CB prospect. The talent evaluators said he was too short, didn't play in a pro style offense, etc, but in reality (in the words of Warren Moon at his Hall of Fame induction ceremony), they wouldn't give him a shot as a QB because he was a "brutha." Now, do you think scouts/coaches/GMs wouldn't given Warren a shot because they hated black people? No, they didn't give him a shot at QB because they did not believe a black QB was good enough, period. It's the same thing now. You laugh, "conspiracy...blah...blah..blah..why would white GMs and coaches not give a white guy a chance..." It has nothing to do with anything else but the belief that these white guys cannot possibly get the job done; that's the bulk of the problem.
     
  7. TwentyTwo

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    Why did the OP ignore or not reply to my post??
     
  8. Don Wassall

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    He's been banned. He attempted to refute very few of the points that any of us made, though it must be said he was greatly outnumbered. :icon_smile:
     
  9. Don Wassall

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    What Moon and black QBs have going for them, and what blacks in general have going for them, is an extremely sympathetic media to put it mildly. As sympathetic as the media is to black QBs and any other black "issue," they are just as hostile to Whites. The ironclad rule of the media is that no sympathy for Whites is allowed under any conditions. That's why we have one website trying to get the truth out about the negative stereotyping of White athletes and the opportunities they are denied, and the believers in the myth of black athletic supremacy have virtually everything else.
     
  10. icsept

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    I just lost 15 minutes of my life reading this thread. Nothing to see here: black guy logs on and parrots the ESPN views on race and sports. CF members try to refute on a single thread what has been developed in great detail over hundreds of threads and tens of thousands of posts. The Caste System is a deeply nuanced, complicated matter which can't be adequately described with a few examples. Only those who have awakened choose to understand it. Those satisfied with the status quo will deny.

    I wouldn't give this guy the time of day. Next thread we'll have to try to convince a black person not to vote for Obama.
     
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  11. dwid

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    agree as well. When I was new to the forum I learned the most information when a troll came in questioning the beliefs of people on the site. I don't think one or two trolls that come occasionally will somehow turn the site into the typical dwf forum. We have plenty of knowledgeable posters to refute one or two people. He had some typical questions and the average person isn't going to dig deep on this forum to find all of the discrimination and there is no single thread that takes care of it all, alot has occurred just in the past year alone. It would take a massive amount of work to gather all of this information into one thread. Some of the posters take this information for granted because we constantly keep track of it. The average fan only knows what sportscenter tells him. They might sense some discrimination but don't undertand why, why or to what level/how frequently it occurs, and frankly some people are lazy, they almost need to be spoonfed information. not to mention that the idea of something like this going on in the sport they have been worshipping fory years is hard for many to take in, many will not search the threads.

    Its great to be around like minded people and think freely in an enviroment that isn't hostile, but I also don't mind debating an occasional opponent, as long as they have a little substance to their argument. He did and was put down easily.

    One point that he mentioned and is frequently mentioned by sportscenter by guys like Skip Bayless is the contribution of slot receivers. Skip called them "little zone busters" as if their contribution is meaningless, he felt guys like Welker were nothing and Jordy Nelson was the ONE exception to the rule (which were almost identical beliefs of the poster, so much that it could have been Skip, definitely someone watching a ton of sportscenter). One point that I feel many dwfs don't understand is that guys like Welker haven't been used like a typical wideout but the contribution is still great and they are still very talented, and they really do the work of two positions merged together. Most do more receiver stuff but someone like Welker is more like a runningback. Its ridiculous that we have guys like Collie and White put in the role of slot receiver. Guys like Shipley can manage and can play both outside/in but Decker/Nelson/Cooper/White/Collie are best suited for the outside in a more prototypical wideout role.

    as far as hip flexibility at the corner position, it can't be measured, but you can see it. Its very hard to see on film and many people don't know what they are talking about when they use this term. Its just scout lingo to cover up that they don't know what they are talking about. Most of this stuff is technique and can be taught. The more you beef up the more you will have problems with flexibility but techniques in training have changed (bigger program like USC with mostly black athletes have had these training programs long ago before it was the norm and many schools still do not stress staying loose while beefing up), and these athletes can still loosen up. Its not like they are beefed up to the size of a bodybuilder.

    You know how Beebe put up House of Speed? maybe a guy like Sehorn should put up some similar school like "Loose Hips". People think that "loose hips" can't be taught. Its basically being able to backpedal, flip around without loosing much speed. I see it taught to guys all the time, usually black because thats where they put black guys down here. The few Whites I have seen have no trouble learning as well but these guys could learn a ton more at a higher level from more experienced people, they usually get slotted into safety at the next level and not as much time put in with it, so little time spent at the high school level with it, I see even at local FCS level more emphasis on technique. For someone like Hardin to be 6'2 and still be playing corner for so long in college shows that he has tremendous talent. I see so many cornerbacks that are terrible in the NFL and still make it, it keeps getting worse. Pretty much all of the White safeties in the league (even backup) would do a better job than most with some training. Most of the cornerbacks that are considered elite are just good at playing their position.
     
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    Well at least he was polite....

    Considering how bad cornerbacks are I would hardly brag about them. If all that "hip swivel" results in so much bad play I would think another "quality" is needed. Maybe some "grey matter" would help out because those single digit Womderlic, criminally prone, hip-swivelers are doing a horrible job.

    I like the use of "hip swivel" as a trump card. Black people have all these trump cards they can play that have no basis in reason or logic just emotion or feeling.

    For example: the white guy is faster. NO HIP SWIVEL!!!--ok the black player wins.
    The white guy has a better shuttle time. NO HIP SWIVEL!! ok we'll pick the black guy.
    The white player set a record in the cone drill. NO HIP SWIVEL!!--yup have to go with the black guy.

    And to think Elvis Presley was once known as ol' swivel hips. That was in the days before White people lost their hip swivel. Or maybe only poor white guys gots hip swivel. Course Elvis WAS part injun.

    And "spirit of spook" as a forum name? He WAS a spirited spook, but I don't think that was the intent or else it was one elaborate put-on.
     
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    Even if they could measure it they would find another way to discredit White athletes. Its always some reason that their athleticism/performance won't translate to the next level no matter what the measurables or times. Perhaps a hula hoop drill at the combine? haha. One study says they've isolated a gene that will tell if your kid will be explosive, apparently "90 percent of West Africans have it and 60 percent of Caucasians". I wouldn't be surprised to see genetic testing done at combines, they already run all types of tests on you, including medical "well he ran a 4.3 40, 3.8 short shuttle, 6.65 3 cone drill, 43 1/2 inch vertical and 11 broad, 1.43 10 yard split with an amazing college career to back it up, but he doesn't have the explosive gene, I don't think we can take a risk on him".
     
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    Oh my god I just literally pissed my pants reading that whole thing, especially the last part.
     
  15. white is right

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    What I find scary is in August there will be 3 White corner backs in the hall of fame and maybe 2 suiting it up on Sundays and none will be pure corners(even as back ups). I find it hard to believe that there isn't 10 back up/bare bones starters floating around the NFL as I think there are roughly 130 corners in the league.
     

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