Isreal is bombing South Lebanon to f**k!

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I'm all for a country a defending their rights, but the bombing is overkill. What I want to know is are prominent Arab americans like Doug Flutie going to speak out on this as his ethnic homeland is going to hell and handbasket....
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I'm all for a country a defending their rights, but the bombing is overkill. What I want to know is are prominent Arab americans like Doug Flutie going to speak out on this as his ethnic homeland is going to hell and handbasket....
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Well, I'll be damned. I didn't know Flutie was Lebanese. From what I read, John Elway is also considered Lebanese.

But my real reason for posting is to ask the rhetorical question, why aren't Black Americans like say, oh, I don't know, 80% of the NBA and 70% of the players in the NFL speaking out about the black on black genocide in Africa?

Why do we expect guys like Flutie (or Elway?) to say something about Lebanon when 99% of everyone else in America doesn't say sh*t about what's happening anywhere else in the world anyway?

Why aren't the Quebecois speaking out against the Muslims who trashed Paris? Or the rest of Europe, for that matter?

Why aren't the rest of the Arabs around the world speaking out against the Iraqi death squads, blowing up little kids and women and old people?

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Flutie to speak out, but I imagine that many anti-Israel, anti-war types will have something to say about it.
 

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Part of the reason at least as a player why Dougie was low profile about his ethnicity might have been because of endorsement deals. Also I think he is on ESPN now doing college football. If he were to become the Jim Brown of Arab rights he might lose that too.....
 

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Flutie, like virtually every other successful Arab-American, is Christian. Which is a very different matter from being an Arab Muslim.

I tend to think of Lebanese Christians as being like Armenians in that they have a long history of being on the front lines of the war with Islam. Imagine the pressure of being surrounded by Islam in Lebanon. Omar Sharif felt the pressure so much he converted from being a Maronite to being a Saracen.

A theory I subscribe to is tattooing started in the Near East due to Christians making a defiant and irreversible statement as to their religion. You can't switch sides and claim to be a Muslim with a big ol' Cross tattooed on your chest. The Crusaders brought this practice back to Europe. (Which is contrary to the accepted version of English seamen copying South Pacific practices. But the Crusades happened centuries before Cook made his voyages. Maybe it's easier for white kids of today to follow a trend like tattooing if it has a non-white and primative angle to it.)

There is some doubt as to the 'semitic' content of Lebanese (and Syrian) Christian DNA. Crusaders often married into Arab Christian families, but that's not the whole story. That area was once Phoenicia, and the Phoenicians were not semites in the main, having collected bits and pieces of mostly Euro DNA in their travels. Fair eyes and fair hair are not unknown among Lebanese Christians while the Muslims are darker. Islam started as an exclusively Arab religion, later converts having to be 'adopted' as Arabs. Those who didn't convert may have been averse to submit to an inferior people in the same way Persians, though converts to Islam, are still not overly deferential to Arabs.

The professional basketball league in Lebanon has teams that are formed along ethnic and religious lines. A few brawls and falange salutes here and there.

Lebanese Christians tend to do well overseas. Menem, Slim Helu, etc. Lebanese Muslims tend to do poorly managing to make themselves disliked, even hated (viz Australia). I can't believe that's solely due to religion, but rather has something to do with racial tendencies.

I think the point is fast approaching that Muslims (including Arab Muslims) will outnumber Arab Christians in the U.S. Which means there will be much more heard about them as aggrieved victims and very special people, even being re-classified as a victim and EEOC group like Hispanics. 'Arab-American', can be of any race. Or, 'Muslim-American', can be of any race. Or better, 'Arab or Muslim-American', but not Caucasian. (Sorry Circassians.) I wonder if the NWOby brothers will become less enthusiastic when their advocacy is primarily for the benefit of Arab Muslims.

If Flutie spoke out who would he benefit? Nader spoke out and his political aspirations were affected.

Would the Lebanese Christians be allowed refugee status to enter the U.S. in the same way Soviet Jews were allowed? That's fair, right?
 

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Part of the reason at least as a player why Dougie was low profile about his ethnicity might have been because of endorsement deals. Also I think he is on ESPN now doing college football. If he were to become the Jim Brown of Arab rights he might lose that too.....

WiR, after I read your post, I hit Google and came up with a long list of prominent Lebanese celebrities and famous people whom I'd have never suspected of being Lebanese:

Paul Anka, Yasmine Bleeth, Sammy Hagar, Salma Hayek, Shakira, Kristy McNichol, Keanu Reeves (born in Beirut), and Frank Zappa, in addition to the aforementioned Flutie and John Elway. Other sports stars included Bill George, Jeff George, and Rich Kotite.

I thought some of these people were Jewish, some of European stock, and others a mix, which they are I just didn't suspect Lebanese. Of course, they may be Jewish or European but born in Lebanon, or have a Lebanese great grandfather or something, but they are all listed on various websites as prominent Lebanese.

How did you first come across your information that Flutie was Lebanese? What kind of name is Flutie anyway?
 

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Arab Americans who have roots in this country of two or more generations tend to be quite assimilated, which is one reason they aren't well known or understood. Plus they know they have to be low key as they are well aware that the media is dominated by the tribe that demonizes Arabs and Muslims.


And as pointed out, many if not most Arab Americans are Christians. Joseph Farah, who runs the well-known neo-con website WorldNetDaily, is Lebanese Christian. Although WND isn't straight down the line neo-con; they do have some very good articles about some social issues,when it comes tomatters of Israel and Zionism,Farah's site isone hundred percent in lockstep with the neo-con madmen and their global war of aggression against Arabs and Muslims.
 

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I discovered it by accident on Wilkopedia. It stated both his parents were Lebanese immigrants. His name maybe anglisized as I always thought he was of at least partial french ancestry being that he is from the northeast and the name sounding french.....
 

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Biography
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Early years

Doug Flutie was born in Manchester, Maryland to Lebanese-American parents[1]. His family moved to Melbourne Beach, Florida when he was 6 and again moved in 1976 to Natick, Massachusetts. His nickname was "The Wee One".
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High School Years

Flutie graduated from Natick High School, where he played for the "Redmen". He was an All-League performer in football, basketball and baseball.
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College years

Flutie played football for Boston College, the only Division I-A school to recruit him, from 1981 to 1984, and won the Heisman Trophy in his senior year. He first gained national attention in 1984 when he quarterbacked the Eagles to victory in a high-scoring, back-and-forth game against the Miami Hurricanes (led by QB Bernie Kosar). The game was nationally televised on CBS the day after Thanksgiving and thus had a huge audience. Miami staged a dramatic drive to take the lead, 45-41, in the closing minute of the game. Boston College then took possession at its own 22-yard line with 28 seconds to go. After two passes moved the ball another 30 yards, only 6 seconds remained. On the last play of the game, Flutie scrambled away from the defense and threw a Hail Mary pass that was caught in the end zone by Gerard Phelan, giving BC a 47-45 win. Although many people think that play clinched the Heisman Trophy for Flutie, the voting was already complete before that game.[2]

Flutie left school as the NCAA's all-time passing yardage leader with 10,579 yards and was a consensus All-America as a senior. He earned Player of the Year awards from UPI, Kodak, The Sporting News and the Maxwell Football Club.

In addition to his collegiate athletic achievement, Flutie maintained a distinguished academic record at Boston College. His scholastic achievements earned him a nomination as a candidate for the prestigious Rhodes Scholarship, for which he was named a finalist in 1984. Upon graduating, Flutie won a National Football Foundation post-graduate scholarship.

Flutie's 1984 "Hail Mary" pass, and the subsequent rise in applications for admission to Boston College, gave rise to the admissions phenomenon known as the "Flutie Factor." This idea essentially states that a winning sports team can increase the recognition value of a university enough to make it a more elite school. [3]
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Early professional career
1985: "Flutie to the Rescue"
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1985: "Flutie to the Rescue"

Doug Flutie started his professional career in the United States Football League (USFL) with the New Jersey Generals. The USFL folded in 1986, and Flutie (until his retirement in the 2006 NFL offseason) was the league's last active player.

Doug Flutie crossed strike lines in the 1987 NFL strike season, and charges of being a scab dogged him thereafter. Flutie signed with the NFL's Chicago Bears in 1986, then went to the New England Patriots 1987-89.
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Canadian Football League career

Although his Canadian football career lasted only eight years, Flutie is revered as one of the greatest quarterbacks ever to play Canadian football. In 1990 he signed with the BC Lions for a two-year contract reportedly worth $350,000 a season. At the time he was the highest paid player in the CFL. Flutie struggled in his first season, but the following year, he threw for a record 6,619 yards on 466 completions. He was rewarded with a reported million-dollar salary with the Calgary Stampeders.

Flutie won his first Grey Cup in 1992 with the Stampeders. He was named the Grey Cup MVP.

During his last years in Calgary, Flutie's backup was Jeff Garcia, who later went on to star for the NFL's San Francisco 49ers. Flutie won two more Grey Cups with the Toronto Argonauts, in 1996 (The Snow Bowl) and 1997, before signing with the Buffalo Bills of the National Football League in 1998. Prior to his final two Grey Cup victories with the Argonauts, Flutie was hampered by the opinion, supported by the media, that he was a quarterback who could not win in cold weather. After an early playoff loss where he refused to wear gloves in freezing temperatures, Flutie in later years adapted to throwing with gloves in cold weather.

His career CFL statistics include 41,355 passing yards and 270 touchdowns. He holds the professional football record of 6,619 yards passing in a single season. He still holds four of the CFL's top five highest single-season completion marks, including a record 466 in 1991. His 48 touchdown passes in 1994 remains a CFL record. He earned three Grey Cup MVP awards, and was named the CFL's Most Outstanding Player a record six times (1991-1994, and 1996-1997).

Flutie is a figure of national pride to Canadians and Canadian expatriates (this despite having been born and raised in the United States) and has been the subject of a song by the Canadian band Moxy Früvous.

Flutie's success in the National Football League coupled with the revoking of the "marquee player" exemption in the Canadian Football League's salary cap, which allowed one player to be exempt from counting against the CFL's salary cap on each team, resulted in a string of star quarterbacks leaving the CFL and going to the NFL, such as Jeff Garcia and Dave Dickenson.
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Return to the NFL
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Buffalo Bills
1998: "NFL Comeback Player of the Year"
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1998: "NFL Comeback Player of the Year"

Doug Flutie became the Buffalo Bills' starting quarterback when the Bills started the 1998 season 1-3. In his first start as a Bill, he passed for two TDs and led a fourth-quarter comeback against the Indianapolis Colts on October 11, 1998. The following week, Flutie scored the winning touchdown against the Jacksonville Jaguars by rolling out on a naked bootleg and into the end zone as time expired. The Bills' success continued with Flutie at the helm; his record as a starter that season was 8-3. The Bills were eliminated in the first round by the Dolphins, as fumbles and - fans say - questionable officiating gave Flutie his first, and only, loss against both Jimmy Johnson and Dan Marino. Flutie was selected to play in the 1998 Pro Bowl.

Flutie led the Bills to a 10-5 record in 1999 but, in a controversial decision, was replaced by Rob Johnson for the playoffs by coach Wade Phillips. The Bills lost 22-16 to the eventual AFC Champion Tennessee Titans in a game that has become known for the Music City Miracle, where the Titans scored on the final play of the game - a kickoff return following the Bills' apparent game-clinching field goal. In 2000 Flutie was named the Bills' backup and only played late in games or when Johnson was injured.
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San Diego Chargers

In 2001 Flutie signed with the San Diego Chargers, who had gone 1-15 in 2000. After opening 3-0, the Chargers slumped and were 4-2 going into Week 7, when Flutie's Chargers met Rob Johnson's Bills. Johnson took advantage of the weak Charger defense and passed for 310 yards with 1 TD and 1 interception, and he ran for 67 yards and 1 TD. (The Chargers are the only team against which Johnson has passed for 300 yards.) But Flutie prevailed as the new ex-Bill broke a sack attempt and ran 13 yards for the game-winning touchdown. San Diego finished 5-11 on the season, while the Bills finished 3-13. Flutie was Drew Brees' backup in 2002.

In 2003, Flutie replaced a struggling Brees when the Chargers were 1-7. The 41-year-old Flutie became the oldest player to score two rushing touchdowns in a game, the first player over 40 to accomplish that feat. He also became the oldest AFC Offensive Player of the Week, winning the award for the fourth time. Flutie's record as a starter that year was 2-3. As of 2004 Flutie has passed for 58,150 yards in his 20-year professional football career. Flutie was released from the Chargers on March 13, 2005.
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New England Patriots

Flutie surprised many when he signed with the New England Patriots instead of the New York Giants. He became the backup behind Tom Brady and played several times at the end of games to take a few snaps. Flutie has a 37-28 record as an NFL starter, including a 22-9 record in home games.

Television football commentator John Madden once said, "Inch for inch, Flutie in his prime was the best QB of his generation."

In a December 26, 2005 game against the New York Jets, Flutie was sent in late in the game. The Jets also sent in their back-up quarterback, Vinny Testaverde. This was the first time in NFL history that two quarterbacks over the age of 40 competed (Testaverde was 42, Flutie was 43).

In the Patriots' regular-season finale against the Miami Dolphins on January 1, 2006, Flutie successfully drop kicked the ball for an extra point, something that had not been done in a regular-season NFL game since 1941. The ball went straight through the uprights for the extra point. It was Flutie's first kick attempt in the NFL. Patriots head coach and football historian Bill Belichick made comments that suggested that the play was a retirement present of sorts for his veteran quarterback, although Flutie had made no comment on whether or not 2005 would be his last season [4]. The Patriots lost the game 28-26 after failing to make a last-minute 2-point conversion.

During the 2006 offseason, Flutie's agent, Kristen Kuliga, stated he was interested in returning to the Patriots for another season; as a result he was widely expected to return, despite his age. But on May 15, 2006, Flutie announced his decision to "hang up his helmet" at the age of 43 and retire [5]. Flutie reportedly will go on to work as a college football analyst for ABC and ESPN.
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Personal life

Doug Flutie is the older brother of the CFL's all-time receptions leader, Darren Flutie. Doug is married to the former Laurie Fortier, his high school sweetheart. They have a daughter, Alexa, and a son, Doug Jr. Their son has autism, and the Fluties established The Doug Flutie Jr. Foundation for Autism, Inc. in honor of him. Doug also created a cereal, Flutie Flakes, with the benefits going toward his organization. In his free time, Doug Flutie often attends college basketball games at his alma mater Boston College. He campaigned for Hillary Clinton in her 2000 United States Senate race and is a Democrat.
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Actually the article doesn't state that his parents are immigrants, they themselves could be American born, so it maybe grandparents or his great-grandparents that were real Lebanese.
 

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Uh Charlie, the Iceman (the frozen dude in the Alps, not Chuck Liddell) had tattoos all over him. So did the Celts and Norseman, according to period Roman and Arab accounts.
 

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White Shogun, didn't Detroit have a Lebanese neighborhood at one time? I've read in the past that Danny Thomas was and Casey Kasem and Donna Shalala are products of that community.

John (a recent visitor to BC [on a Boston vacation] who actually sat in Alumni Stadium and spotted Dougie's #22 hanging up there)Edited by: foreverfree
 

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Detroit is loaded with Arabs. It has the highest population of Arabs anywhere in the world outside of the Middle East. At least thats what I read somewhere, I'm not sure now after seeing what's happening in France
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. So I would imagine there would be quite a few Lebanese Arabs in the mix there. I didn't see Donna Shalala's name on those lists but the other two you mentioned were on there.
 

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Detroit is loaded with Arabs. It has the highest population of Arabs anywhere in the world outside of the Middle East. At least thats what I read somewhere, I'm not sure now after seeing what's happening in France
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. So I would imagine there would be quite a few Lebanese Arabs in the mix there. I didn't see Donna Shalala's name on those lists but the other two you mentioned were on there.

Don't most of those Arabs live in Deaborn and/or Hamtramck?

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foreverfree said:
White Shogun said:
Detroit is loaded with Arabs. It has the highest population of Arabs anywhere in the world outside of the Middle East. At least thats what I read somewhere, I'm not sure now after seeing what's happening in France
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. So I would imagine there would be quite a few Lebanese Arabs in the mix there. I didn't see Donna Shalala's name on those lists but the other two you mentioned were on there.

Don't most of those Arabs live in Deaborn and/or Hamtramck?

John

For those of us in Texas, Detroit IS Michigan. You know, that place just north of Dallas?
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Just kidding, yeah, Dearborn is the place.
 
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You can drive for blocks in Dearborn without seeing a business sign in
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Our media's one-sided view of this "war" is beyond despicable only to be eclipsed by our governments unquestioning support of israel. Anybody whose read any history on the area since the jewish migration to the area and the zionists formation of Israel should know better.
It's astounding how many people are clueless to the just the 20th century history of the area. A history teacher I spoke with actually did not know about the Lavon Affair, USS Liberty, and the terrorist bombing of the King of David Hotel. I refused to discuss the MiddleEast issue any further until he had done some research.

Anybody who actually thought Israel would leave the Palestine area peacefully and allow them to form their own government is a fool. They have always intended on driving the Palestinians out and settling that land. It's the very reason why they (the Jews)terrorized Britain out of the area in the first place.

An interesting note; many of innocent Lebanese citizens intentionally bombed are christians. Christain areas have been a target for israeli missisles including the only Christian TV Network in Lebanon. Why? Where are the Christains of this country? What hand do Christains have in Hezbollah?

Israel couldn't get rid of Hezbollah in 18 years of occupation and they pretend to expect the fledgeling Lebanese government to be able to do the job? Gimme a break. The sad part is that most of America has been brain-washed into buying this excuse. And, soon we may be fighting Iran just a couple of years after the Weapons of mass destruction Big LIE. Israel must be laughing at how gullible we Americans are.

You cannot kick out a large portion of the native population and suppress the remaining population and expect them to be completely compliant. We fought the Indian population for Centuries in order to establish this country. Yet, nobody cries for the poor "terrorized" settlers. So go cry me a river Israel! My rant is done.
 

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Americans only see them as terrorist. They don't understand that not everyone in Lebanon is a terrorist or muslim. Its perfect for Israel because no one in the US is gonna support a muslim nation, not after 9-11. It plays right into Israel hands, they can do whatever they want, even if is commiting crimes against humanity.

It's impossible to speak to anyone about Israel. Once you question Israel people are instantly turned off. People are so brainwashed in this country. Someone told me today, "why do you care, it doesnt affect us?"
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Guys:
Lets keep things in perspective.

Yes, America being tied to Israel so much, giving so much aid and comfort, one billion dollars a year, etc, is ridiculous, especially in light of how many Jews have been involved in movements designed to destroy White civilization and deracinate any "homelands" for OUR people.

Yes, the establishment of Israel was insanity, bound to cause just the probems we're seeing now, formented by Zionism and the profoundly false HoloHoax guilt foisted upon the entire White World by a Jewish media.

Yes, the establishment and maintenance of the Israeli state is morally equivalent to the European siezure of Native American lands, and yes, the Jewish media is once again hugely hypocritical for painting our White ancestors as evil for doing what all peoples have done, namely, taking land by the sword.

Yes, the fact that Jews think they have some sort of "right" to this land after eons because of what is written in an old book of religious propaganda means that they are in fact insane. Even more troubling, is the fact that they have convinced any number of Whites to follow this insanity.

BUT, the Israeli is on average superior to the Arabs surrounding them, who by their behavior cannot be considered anything but the most barbarous vermin. To paraphrase Gold Meir, BOTH sides really do hate each other more than they love their children. The deaths of inhabitants of these regions don't keep me awake at night.
 

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WS, I have no intention of spinning positive light on Arabs. In fact, I have posted many negative things about the invading waves of muslims in Aryan held land. However, our problems as a nation with the Middle East and terrorism in only due to our own extreme favortism of one group over another. Left alone the Arabs have little influence in our country and culture. I say let them be barbarian vermin in their own lands and to their own neighbors.
The favored group, on the other hand, has been able to profoundly influence our country - none of it for the good. I fear "barbarian vermin" far less. Arabs in Arab countries are about as frightening as native Africans in African countries or Mexicans in Mexico. Not too threatening to our people as long as they stay in their own countries. Edited by: Kaptain Poop
 

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They're 100% American, and pro-Hezbollah
U.S. scrutiny resented in Dearborn
By E.A. Torriero
Tribune staff reporter

July 27, 2006

DEARBORN, Mich. -- A neon American flag flashes red, white and blue above La Shish East restaurant on Michigan Avenue. But what happened with some of the hefty profits from the Lebanese fare is anything but patriotic, federal prosecutors allege.

Using a double set of books, the owner of La Shish chain of 15 restaurants evaded taxes while funneling some $20 million to the Lebanese militant force Hezbollah in recent years, according to an indictment returned in May.

The restaurateur, Talal Chahine, has fled to Lebanon but denies wrongdoing. The case is one of several across the U.S. that link Americans with smuggling operations of illicit drugs, cigarettes and even baby formula and Viagra to profit Hezbollah--designated by the State Department as a terrorist organization.

With fighting raging in southern Lebanon between Hezbollah and Israeli ground forces, the FBI last week issued a nationwide alert for law enforcement to be vigilant in investigating and profiling Hezbollah sympathizers, according to federal sources.

"The question is: Are they loyal to the U.S. or to this terrorist group Hezbollah?" asked assistant U.S. Atty. Kenneth Chadwell, one of nine federal prosecutors investigating Hezbollah ties in metro Detroit.

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For many years Irish Americans channelled funds out to the IRA to pay the terrorists to put bombs in McDonalds Litter bins and blow up English children.

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/northwest/series2/warrington_ bomb_terroism_post_traumatic_stress.shtml [/url]

This was at a time when in the bit of Ireland that is part of the UK 65% of the people wanted to remain British. The Brits did not shell Dublin or blow up bridges factories etc in Ireland. Yet its OK for Israel to behave like this?
 

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White Shogun said:
They're 100% American, and pro-Hezbollah
U.S. scrutiny resented in Dearborn
By E.A. Torriero
Tribune staff reporter

July 27, 2006

DEARBORN, Mich. -- A neon American flag flashes red, white and blue above La Shish East restaurant on Michigan Avenue. But what happened with some of the hefty profits from the Lebanese fare is anything but patriotic, federal prosecutors allege.

Using a double set of books, the owner of La Shish chain of 15 restaurants evaded taxes while funneling some $20 million to the Lebanese militant force Hezbollah in recent years, according to an indictment returned in May.

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For such a well-funded organization Hezbollah sure does have some sh***y weapondry. Supposedly, in addition to this 20 million dollars they allegedly recieved from a chain of 15 apparently extremely successful Lebanese restuarants, they have are also recieving funding from Syria, Iran, and all the banks in Lebanon. I would think with all that money that their best weapon would not be the outdated, inaccurate, and virtually non-explosive Katyusha rocket. Makes you wonder about all that supposed funding doesn't it?
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Just remember that without Hezbollah Israel would already own Lebanon.
 
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