Black teen beat up by jewish watchmen

Discussion in 'Happy Hour' started by Alpha Male, Apr 23, 2012.

  1. Alpha Male

    Alpha Male Mentor

    Joined:
    May 22, 2005
    Messages:
    775
    Location:
    California
    [h=1]Md. neighborhood watch trial set against Fla. fury[/h]
    BALTIMORE (AP) — Two brothers accused of beating a black teenager while patrolling an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood are set to go on trial Monday in a case with similarities to the Trayvon Martin shooting.

    The brothers, who are white and Jewish, have claimed self-defense, saying the teen was holding a nail-studded board. Local civil rights activists hope the Martin case will draw more attention to what they believe was racial profiling by neighborhood watch vigilantes.
    Eliyahu and Avi Werdesheim are accused of beating a 15-year-old boy who was walking through a Baltimore neighborhood in November 2010. The brothers pulled up next to the teen in a vehicle, then got out and "surrounded him," according to charging documents. The passenger threw the teen to the ground and the driver hit him in the head with a hand-held radio and patted him down.
    The teen remembered the driver yelling, "You wanna (mess) with us, you don't belong around here, get outta here!" according to court documents, which do not identify which brother was driving.
    While the teen struggled, a third man got out of a van and kneed the teen, pinning him to the ground. The teen told police that he stopped struggling and the third man continued to search him, while the teen insisted he didn't have anything on him.
    Eliyahu Werdesheim told the Baltimore Jewish Times that he was acting in self-defense because the teen was holding the piece of wood. The teen picked up the board during the encounter, but put it back down, said J. Wyndal Gordon, an attorney for the teen's family. He said the family did not want to speak publically.
    After the trio left, the teen called police and was taken to a hospital with a cut on the back of his head and a broken wrist, according to court documents. Using a photo book compiled by investigators, the teen later identified Eliyahu Werdesheim, now 24, as one of the men who assaulted him. He was arrested after about 10 days; his now 21-year-old brother was charged two months later.
    The brothers are charged with second-degree assault, false imprisonment and carrying a deadly weapon (the hand-held radio). The pair face up to 13 years in prison if convicted on all three counts. A third man, identified in a lawsuit brought by the teen's family as Ronald Rosenbluth, does not face charges.
    Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said investigators don't believe Rosenbluth was involved in the beating. Rosenbluth said he doesn't believe there was a third person and he was only called to the scene after the incident.
    Law enforcement officials emphasize that neighborhood watchers' responsibility is to report crime, and leave interventions to police. Most follow the rules, and confrontations are rare.
    "We owe a lot of our success to communities that have stepped up and partnered with police. They help us out," Guglielmi said. "But when they step too far, we have to hold people accountable."
    In the Florida case, authorities charged neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman this month with second-degree murder in Martin's death Feb. 26. Zimmerman claims self-defense, but Martin's family claims he targeted Martin mainly because he was black. Zimmerman's father is white and his mother Hispanic.
    It's unusual to have a trial in which the allegations mirror a case so prominent in the news, said Steven Levin, a former federal prosecutor.
    "Since the Trayvon Martin case, people cannot help but think about that case and draw comparisons, whether they are fair or not," he said.
    In the Werdesheim case, the six trial postponements could significantly hinder the defense's case, Levin said. However, the charges against Zimmerman since the last postponement may mean jurors won't feel that they need to somehow set things right through the case they are deciding.
    Eliyahu Werdesheim was suspended from the neighborhood group while Avi was never a member, according to Nathan Willner, general counsel for Shomrim of Baltimore, a group that patrols neighborhoods with a large concentration of Jewish residents and institutions in the Baltimore area. Shomrim, which is Hebrew for guard, has about 30 volunteer, unarmed responders. It was founded in 2005 to provide security and gather information for police, Willner said.
    While the case has not garnered the attention the Martin shooting has, Cortly C.D. Witherspoon, president of the local chapter of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, has organized protests outside the courthouse during court hearings and has been frustrated by the postponements.
    "We feel that justice should have been served long ago. I would contend that the urgency for justice (in this case) is affected by the Trayvon Martin case because of the similarities," he said.
    Members of the area's Jewish community also rallied outside the courthouse when the brothers appeared in court to enter not guilty pleas in February. Jakob Lurman, the owner of a barbershop, was among them.
    "I have a business in the community. Shomrim do good work," Lurman said. "I don't know what happened in that case, but I wanted to show support."
    Jewish neighborhood watch groups in New York City have faced accusations of unnecessary force against blacks, creating tensions between the Jewish and black communities. That hasn't yet happened in Baltimore, according to the Rev. Alvin Gwynn Sr., president of the Interdenominational Ministerial Alliance. The organization of predominantly black clergy met with leaders of the area's Jewish community to keep relationships between the two communities strong.
    "We were already working with them when this came up," Gwynn said. "It hasn't done much damage yet."
    Baltimore is a city that's 64 percent black, and the jury will likely have eight or nine black members. So race will be a factor, said University of Baltimore School of Law professor and practicing attorney Byron Warnken.
    "What the defense has to do is completely downplay that," he said, and show the force was necessary to prevent a crime.
    Susan Green, an attorney for Avi Werdesheim, said last month that she hoped the media coverage would not create an atmosphere that would make it difficult for her client, but declined to comment further. The attorney for Eliyahu Werdesheim did not return calls for comment.
     
  2. jaxvid

    jaxvid Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2004
    Messages:
    7,247
    Location:
    Michigan
    blacks against the jews?? that's a toughie!
     
  3. Tom Iron

    Tom Iron Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2006
    Messages:
    1,597
    Location:
    New Jersey
    jaxvid,

    blacks are against, fill in the blank - everybody.

    Tom Iron...
     
  4. jaxvid

    jaxvid Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2004
    Messages:
    7,247
    Location:
    Michigan
    This one could get interesting. The jewish kids look white and they clearly roughed up a black guy they did not want in their neighborhood, this used to be normal back when people defended their turf but that is not allowed anymore. It will remain to be seen if the sharptons and jacksons and obamas want to take on the jew controlled media. Yahoo is featuring the story. We'll see.
     
  5. Menelik

    Menelik Mentor

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2007
    Messages:
    1,148
    Location:
    Georgia

    As an ex cop this and the Zimmerman case are prime examples of law enforcement advising civilians not to take the law into their own hands. It ALMOST ALWAYS ends up badly for everyone involved.
     
  6. jaxvid

    jaxvid Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2004
    Messages:
    7,247
    Location:
    Michigan
    When you consider the state of our cities and towns I think it ends up badly when law enforcement takes the law into their own hands. The Zimmermans and these jewish kids are just trying to do what local law enforcement can't or won't do.
     
  7. Menelik

    Menelik Mentor

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2007
    Messages:
    1,148
    Location:
    Georgia

    BIG cities and towns. Take a look at the "leaders" and "citizen" review boards on those failed cities and towns and there you have your answer. It's pretty peaceful here in Southern Georgia where I live. I wouldn't say that you could leave your door unlocked but it's pretty close.
     
  8. Charles Martel

    Charles Martel Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2007
    Messages:
    8,076
    I agree.

    Zimmerman was just trying to defend his gated community and those Jewish guys were just trying to protect their neighborhood.
     
  9. jaxvid

    jaxvid Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2004
    Messages:
    7,247
    Location:
    Michigan
    Yeah that's true, I don't remember Andy or Barny having much trouble with the locals. :tongue:
     
  10. Menelik

    Menelik Mentor

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2007
    Messages:
    1,148
    Location:
    Georgia
    Let me play devils advocate here. What exactly was Zimmerman "protecting" his neighborhood from? Same question concerning those tribe members, what were they defending? All they did was to get themselves into trouble. Personally I think that Zimmerman is going to walk in the criminal trial BUT get slammed in the inevitable civil suit. Like Jaxvid said when this case broke he'll probably wish he had got shot. Or words to that effect.
     
  11. Menelik

    Menelik Mentor

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2007
    Messages:
    1,148
    Location:
    Georgia

    Ouch! I would pick Mayberry ANYDAY as a good place to live.
     
  12. The Hock

    The Hock Master

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2008
    Messages:
    3,288
    Location:
    Northern California
    More and more, in areas where minority disfunction has degraded the social fabric and lowered standards of behaviour, the cops don't really give a sh1t. Read the story I posted about the Butte College (Aaron Roger's JC alma mater) afeletes in the crime thread, where they invaded a private party and felony assaulted several college students. The cops came and saw injuries, even a hole in the wall from a negro putting a kid's head through it, and blew the whole thing off. Those police imposters should be suspended and investigated, if not arrested for not reporting a crime and failing to render aid. I've seen the story way too many times, kids having a party, negroes or Mexicans showing up an ruining it. Just because they can and they consider us weak.

    And right now we are.

    I'm afraid the trial will be all about a debate over neighborhood watches and the 2nd amendment, and people "taking the law into their own hands," and not about the rampant black criminality that is plaguing any area they congregate in. As Jaxvid stated in another thread, George Zimmerman was guilty mainly of caring about his neighborhood. At least he (and our two stalwart Jewboys) was and were out there trying to do something about these animals.

    Cops. Pffft.
     
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2012
  13. jaxvid

    jaxvid Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2004
    Messages:
    7,247
    Location:
    Michigan
    Yes I resent the implication that George Zimmerman or any average joe can't walk around his neighborhood and see what's going on and if necessary ask some suspected person what they are doing. It's not illegal to do that. I know cops like to think they have a monoply on using force but when you consider what police persons have become over the last 30 years I see no reason to expect anything good out of them except maybe by accident.

    Furthermore it is established fact that private CCW holders are better at using a gun then the police.

    And remember the Zimmerman and jew kids situations are the extremely rare times when the media intervene in a situation of this type. I can guarentee that there are thousands of times each year those kind of guys stop bad things from happening. Of course after a crime is committed the police are handy to have stroll by and take notes on what happened. IF you can tear them away from monitoring speed traps and handing out tickets for broken tail lights--their important duties.
     
  14. jaxvid

    jaxvid Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2004
    Messages:
    7,247
    Location:
    Michigan
    This is why you have a gun.

    [h=1]Man Beaten By Mob, In Critical Condition[/h]MOBILE, Alabama -- Mobile police need your help to catch a mob that beat Matthew Owens so badly that he's in critical condition.

    According to police, Owens fussed at some kids playing basketball in the middle of Delmar Drive about 8:30 Saturday night. They say the kids left and a group of adults returned, armed with everything but the kitchen sink.

    Police tell News 5 the suspects used chairs, pipes and paint cans to beat Owens.
    Owens' sister, Ashley Parker, saw the attack. "It was the scariest thing I have ever witnessed." Parker says 20 people, all African American, attacked her brother on the front porch of his home, using "brass buckles, paint cans and anything they could get their hands on."
    Police will only say "multiple people" are involved.

    What Parker says happened next could make the fallout from the brutal beating even worse. As the attackers walked away, leaving Owen bleeding on the ground, Parker says one of them said "Now thats justice for Trayvon." Trayvon Martin is the unarmed teenager police say was shot and killed February 26 by neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman in Samford, Florida.
     
  15. FootballDad

    FootballDad Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    4,745
    Location:
    Somewhere near Kansas City, MO
    Sadly, this is most often the case. In my nearest small town (I live in a miniscule township) the cops there are primarily "revenue generators". They spend 99% of their time busting motorists for minor infractions, which then have to be paid in the town's very own kangaroo court, complete with price sheet (which I have). Now, since the minority population is extremely low (virtually nil), there is not much violent crime. But drug labs and petty redneck thieves abound. Busting these, however, is not "revenue efficient". In fact, it's a net revenue loss for the town, as their are no fines collected, only officers that have to go to County court on the town's dime.
     
  16. Menelik

    Menelik Mentor

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2007
    Messages:
    1,148
    Location:
    Georgia
     
  17. jaxvid

    jaxvid Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2004
    Messages:
    7,247
    Location:
    Michigan
    I don't think it's that cops are unpopular just that there are too many of them that are unsuited or bad for the job.

    For example a couple of months ago I was coming home from a friends late at night, about 1AM, had not been drinking, was at a red light at an exit off of the freeway, I had to cross a four lane road to turn left to go west to my house, I was at a stoplight and waited and waited and waited, I guess the light was one of those that monitors for traffic and didn't pick up my car, so I figure there is no one within a mile of this light and after a while I just went ahead through it.

    Sure enough there was a cop coming up the road somewhere, perhaps he was parked or waiting, I don't know, but he stopped me and gave me a $150 ticket for doing something that posed no danger to anybody at that time. And he was a real ass about it. Did I break a law? Yup, did he have to give me the ticket? Nope. But I frequently run into these types of d-bag cops and it yes it causes you to get a bad impression.

    And here is the stat I mentioned, from John Lotts voluminous work on the subject.

    Nationally citizens use guns about seven to ten times as frequently as the police to repel crime and apprehend criminals and they do it with a better safety record than the police. About 11% of police shootings kill an innocent person – about 2% of shootings by citizens kill an innocent person. The odds of a defensive gun user killing an innocent person are loss than 1 in 26,000. Citizens intervening in crime are less likely to be wounded than the police.
     
  18. white is right

    white is right Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2006
    Messages:
    9,144
    Too funny, but in the country in Ontario cops will literally hide in the cornfields looking to trap speeders. I have been caught a few times going over the speed limit in transitional zones. Usually I can talk my way out of a ticket, obviously I know what they are fishing for(drug smuggler, gun runner etc). Where I live it seems like only task forces break up clandestine gangs that are growing marijuana or making meth. I think this is because the area has a low tax base and the police force is on a bare bones budget.
     
  19. Menelik

    Menelik Mentor

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2007
    Messages:
    1,148
    Location:
    Georgia
    Agreed. As far as the cop not letting you go I don't know what it's like where you live but when I first got on the road, I started out as a jailer, I followed a friend home rather then give him a DUI (He failed the field sobriety test.) When word got back to the sheriff to make a long story short I was suspended for a week without pay!:lipsrsealed: Yes there are a lot of d-bag cops though. Not making any excuses BUT when you deal with the dregs of society, as cops often do, it leaves you extremely jaded. Thanks for the link to John Lott.
     
  20. Don Wassall

    Don Wassall Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2004
    Messages:
    26,458
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    There's just way too many cops and law enforcement personnel of one kind or another, period. A lot of the veterans of this country's multiple, permanent wars joined the military because they had no job or career prospects, and when they return home they become cops, mercs, security guards, etc. It fits in nicely with the police state the fedgov is rapidly building, not to mention a lot of these guys are already in a militarized mindset where anyone and everyone is a potential enemy because of what they went through in Iraq and Afghanistan. Add to that the high-tech military weaponry the fedgov is literally giving away to police departments large and small, and you have a recipe where the itchy-fingered cops want to use their toys, and the public is becoming terrified of the police because of the brutality of some and the way they over-react with overwhelming force to situations that one or two cops used to handle.

    A lot of law enforcement has little to do but "revenue enhancement" and trying to entrap working and middle class Whites in one way or another. DUI roadblocks are a great example. The U.S. post-WWII (suburbia) was built so that most Americans had little choice but to drive if they wanted entertainment. Now it's like playing Russian Roulette if you want to release everyday stress by kicking back with a few. There was always a small risk of a DUI if someone drove stupidly; but that was when we were a freer country whose police operated on the standard of probable cause, and giving a basically law-abiding person a break. Now the mentality is "gottcha," by whatever means possible.
     
  21. Thrashen

    Thrashen Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2007
    Messages:
    5,706
    Location:
    Pennsylvania

    I live in one of the most rural counties in all of Pennsylvania. According to the 2010 Census, within my municipality, there isn’t a single non-white citizen. Accordingly, there are no crimes committed whatsoever, aside from those involving automobiles. Usually, the most serious of these entail a teenager or young adult racing cars, speeding, doing doughnuts in farm fields, or driving drunk.

    The local police, who are utterly starved for “action,†used to spend every waking moment patrolling for these types of negligent motorists. But alas, simply being “on the lookout†for this type of behavior (which usually occurs late at night, anyway) mustn’t have generated enough revenue. This year, they’ve adjusted their procedures accordingly in order to ensure the safety of their citizens.

    One vulpine tactic employed on a daily basis includes the parking of two police cruisers in the middle of a random roadway, stopping all oncoming traffic in both directions. Each motorist must stop individually at a police officer standing near their driver’s side window. The officer will check that the driver is wearing his/her seatbelt, verify that the driver’s inspection sticker is up-to-date, examine the driver’s license for an expiration date, and check the driver’s license plate to confirm that the vehicle is registered with the state of PA (which confirms that the driver’s vehicle is insured). If the driver passes all of these tests, he/she is sent on their way. The next day, the same method is utilized on another roadway, then another, and another. This process is repeated for months.

    Despite driving for 10 years, I’ve never received a single traffic violation, and I’ve (obviously) never committed any crimes. However, this past January, I was returning home from my in-laws’ house after helping my father-in-law remove some fallen trees. I had sawed them up for firewood, and loaded them into my truck and my 6’ X 10’ trailer. The trailer was purchased (for next to nothing) at an auction by my dad. He gave it to me, and I spent several hundred dollars (and countless hours) fixing it up to be road-ready. This included hours of welding, sanding, painting, cutting lumber, etc. Anyway, when driving through the “money trap†that day, my truck “passed†all of their tests; however, my trailer (which was properly insured, registered, had a new license plate, and had the title transferred) did not have a proper “orange flag†denoting a load that is overhanging the sidewalls of a trailer. I received an $80 fine for my careless endangerment of my fellow citizens. It won’t happen again.
     
  22. moose

    moose Guru

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2005
    Messages:
    406
    mazel tov eliyahu, mazel tov avi
     
  23. white is right

    white is right Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2006
    Messages:
    9,144
    Yes I remember seeing a short documentary on the hiring practices of police forces in the late 60's and when the war on drugs was initiated by Nixon, police forces in major cities went on a hiring frenzy. If a returning soldier has a clean jacket and wants to work in policing the former soldier has an inside track to be hired.

    Yes, DUI charges could be leveled at most drivers leaving strip clubs or popular clubs on Friday and Saturday nights. I think the situation is worse in the outer suburbs as public transportation is piss poor at off peak hours. The temptation to drive is too high when a cab fare can be 25 dollars+ to drive maybe 6 miles 1 way from a bar.
     

Share This Page