2021 Week 13

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  1. Jerry Reb

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    Sorensen pick-sixing Water under the Bridge was awesome.

    Minshew (only getting the start because of injury) gets it done for Philly. He needs to be starting somewhere.

    Josh Allen vs. Mac Jones tomorrow should be a great matchup.
     
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  3. white lightning

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    Look at this site that compares the two of them. Kelce has over twice the receiving yards. Sorry but it's not as close as people think it is. I still love both of them as
    I also love Gronkowski. I just think we are seeing a once in a lifetime tightend in Travis Kelce. Have a look at every category with them head to head on this site as
    you scroll down. Over twice the receiving yards and still out gains him every year. This is amazing!

    https://nflcomparisons.com/travis-kelce-vs-george-kittle-comparison/
     
  4. white lightning

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    TJ Watt is now leading the NFL in sacks with 16 on the year even after missing a few games. Amazing football player on the highest level.

    Cooper Kupp has extended his NFL lead in Receiving Yards and now has 1366 yards and 11 touchdowns. Justin Jefferson of the Vikings is 2nd
    with 1209 yards. I really want C. Kupp to keep up this pace. This is as exciting to watch as when Christian McCaffrey was attempting to become only
    the 3rd NFL Running back to have over 1000 yards rushing and receiving in the same season which he accomplished! Tom Brady ages like fine wine
    as he leads the NFL in passing yards with 3771 passing yards on the season. Derek Carr is 2nd and Matthew Stafford is in 3rd place on the season.
     
  5. Danny Vado

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    Well...

    First season Kelce does nothing
    Kittle 43/515

    Second season Kelce 67/862
    Kittlw 88/1377

    Third season Kelce 72/875
    Kittle 107/1053

    Fourth, Kelce 85/1125
    Kittle 63/635 injury

    Looks like Kittle to me, if just talking those first 4 seasons.
     
  6. white lightning

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    No disrespect and I'll be happy even if I'm wrong. I'm not debating the first 4 seasons. Yes I agree that Kittle had a better start but it's where you end up. Year after
    year Kelce amazes me. He should have slowed down like we all do. Gronk is not near the player anymore but he is still very good. He just can't do it on a weekly basis
    anymore. No shame in that as he has had a long career. Kittle's body will have to hold up for a decade. It's possible but if I was in Vegas I'm betting on Kelce. He will most
    likely lead him again. To be fair he has alot better qb to get him the ball. Jimmy G. is good but not great and he gets hurt alot.

    Travis Kelce is about to have his 6th consecutive 1000 yard season! Who does this?
     
  7. white lightning

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    Travis Kelce Stats for the last 6 years. He will easily go over 1000 yards again this year. In 2014 and 2015 he just missed it 1000 yards or he could have 8 in a row! On top of that last year in 2020 he was 2nd in the NFL in Receiving Yards and would have won the title but missed one game.

    2021 Kansas City Chiefs 12 70 848 12.1 46 5 47 67.14 10 1
    2020 Kansas City Chiefs 15 105 1416 13.5 45 11 79 75.24 23 2
    2019 Kansas City Chiefs 16 97 1229 12.7 47 5 65 67.01 13 3
    2018 Kansas City Chiefs 16 103 1336 13 43 10 68 66.02 18 2
    2017 Kansas City Chiefs 15 83 1038 12.5 44 8 55 66.27 19 1
    2016 Kansas City Chiefs 16 85 1125 13.2 80 4 55 64.71 14 3
     
  8. Danny Vado

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    Keep in mind Kelce has always had a lot better QB and is 32 while Kittle is 28, so we are now seeing Kelce at a different stage of the career than where Kittle is at. I totally agree about Jimmy G.

    Kelce is great but so is Kittle.
     
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  9. Danny Vado

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    Yep, a total stud but....Kelce is in his 9th season, Kittle just his 5th, As we saw when both had 4 it was Kittle, so lets see how it goes.
     
  10. white lightning

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    I love George Kittle. He looks like he could be a leader of a Rock Band and he is an amazing player. I hope he can have a very long career and continue to put up
    the numbers that are eye popping. I'm not rooting against him at all. I just think Travis Kelce is the most consistant superstar tightend to ever play the game. I root
    for both of these guys. It will be cool to see where they both end up at the end of their careers. I think both will probably be in the NFL Hall of Fame someday. Ok
    enough of the debate. It's fun to talk stats though!! :)
     
  11. Danny Vado

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    :)
    I'm with you 100% two bonafide studs, it will be fun watching the rest of their Hall of Fame careers. And I bet Kittle can play the drums, just a feeling.

    Finally, have to say hi to the wife, hahaha!!! See ya later my friend.:)
     
  12. Leonardfan

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    Mahomes and Lamar Jackson both struggling as of late - won't be a headline or topic of discussion anywhere but here.
     
  13. sprintstar

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    On Sorenson's pick six gotta say the Chiefs #82 got away with blatant hold on the Texans receiver who would have tackled Sorenson on the run back, aside from that Bridgewater bounced off Sorenson like a wet noodle lol....
     
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    So 3 out of the top 5 sack leaders are White athletes, yet draft after draft, 90% or more of the pass rushers drafted are black. This is not the first time this “anomaly” has occurred. If the Caste System wasn’t real, than how would you explain this happening every few years?
     
  15. Don Wassall

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    What year was it, think it was 2010, all four All Pros at defensive end were White. What were the odds of that given how few are in the league? And then J. J. Watt dominated like few ends ever have. But nothing changes. The Caste System is set in stone with only little bits of tinkering permitted around the edges. And as long as no one cares but us, it's not going to change.
     
  16. Jimmy Chitwood

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    nailed it.
     
  17. Don Wassall

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    For Leonardfan and all the other Lamar Jackson fans out there:

    Not only did Jackson’s slump continue in Week 13, it deepened. One week after throwing a career-worst four picks, he took a career-worst seven sacks. He forced balls into coverage and missed some easy throws, arguably none easier than what should have been a walk-off two-point conversion to Mark Andrews. Instead, Jackson narrowly missed Andrews’ fingertips, and the Ravens suffered their third dismal loss in five weeks. Baltimore has only five offensive touchdowns over its past four games, while Jackson has a 3:6 TD:INT total over his past three starts. He has not found the end zone on the ground since Week 2. Things could get worse before they get better, as Jackson must now rematch with the same Browns defense that harassed him into four picks two Sundays ago. Jackson has been getting blitzed to smithereens in recent weeks, and has not responded well.
     
  18. backrow

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    There is definitely a disproportionate percentage of white DEs and OLB often either leading - or close to - it when you look at the overall numbers of them in the league.
    Not even going back to Paup or Greene but we had the likes of Patrick Kerney who was perennially getting 10+ if memory serves, Justin Smith, Jared Allen and or course JJ, arguably the most dominant player in the league on defense for quite a few years. Recently we've had TJ, Trey and Bosa Brothers dominating as well. And yet, I'm sure that maybe 5% of pass rushers that come through the draft will be white.

    Random comment: Trevor Lawrence tackling a defender after a recovered fumble was probably one of the nicest, technical tackles I've seen in a while.
     
  19. El Gringo

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    I think the more moderate stance you have taken on the site will attract more viewers and help get the word out. Personally I’m not offended by anything but there are a lot of people on the boarder line that may appreciate the more kinder sensitive caste football. There is nothing to hate about black athletes who are obviously talented but it starts pissing a guy off when more talented white men are passed over. May the best player play, and I think you and the old school posters have proved by pure stats and numbers that it isn’t happening.
     
  20. Danny Vado

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    Big game tonight featuring two young stud QB's in Mac Jones and Josh Allen should be a good one. QB's playing the position how it should be played.

    Probably hear about Firebaugh again tonight the town Allen is from. it's west of Fresno here in Cali, farm labor place out in the sticks, talking coyotes running in packs, biggest sparrow hawks in existance, think, desolate and spooky, if leaving there at night, ah, former insurance sales here,
     
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  21. Liverlips

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    Haven't watched much football this year. Sad to see New England got so dark. On the other hand, happy to see the Bills are relatively white-friendly. I grew up in Connecticut in the 70s and 80s and was a Pats fan from way back (even when they were 1-15 and 2-14). But no problem cheering for the Bills tonight.
     
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    The mid 00’s was definitely a fun time for us as far as pass rushers—. Not only Kerney, But you had Grant Wistrom, Aaron Schobel, Kyle VandenBosch, Aaron Kampman, and I’m probably forgetting a few others, routinely leading the league in sacks year in and year out, yet it never led to any sort of influx of White D ends... that was also a time where we dominated at LB, with Brooking, Thomas and Urlacher. It was exactly the same on defense over almost any era at least since the 80s, few and far between, but the few that were out there were dominant...
     
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    Kampman had 58 sacks in his career, just missed out on a SB ring
     
  24. Leonardfan

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    Thanks Don ;) I don't necessarily see that as scathing as things that have been written or said about White QBs though. Glad some publication acknowledged it though.
     
  25. Warhawk_46

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    Kampman was also very strong against the run; arguable better there and he was a very good pass rusher. The thing about white defensive ends is that they are typically all-around players not just pash rush specialists like so many blacks who cannot (or will not) play the run just as stout.
     
  26. Warhawk_46

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    And to think TJ has 16 sacks in only, what 10 games?
     

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