2017 NFL Draft

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  1. Extra Point

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    I was in the store the other day and considered purchasing a draft magazine but I didn't. I bought one last year.

    The truth is I'm not as enthused about the draft this year as I usually am. I think the racist initiative to replace white men at quarterback is part of the reason.

    In my view anti-white racism is bad for business but the anti-whites in the NFL and sports media don't seem to care.
     
  2. Leonardfan

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    Just some more caste speak and indoctrinated scout talk:

    A scout speaking to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel said UNC QB Mitchell Trubisky has "a ceiling to be a solid starter like Alex Smith."

    This isn't the first time we've heard this comp. "There’s a smaller variance between his floor and ceiling than Mahomes," the scout said. "He does some good things but doesn’t get me excited. If he hits he’s like from 10 to 20 among the quarterbacks. Him being a one-year wonder is problematic." Trubisky has also been compared to Kirk Cousins. "You’ve got to try with him," another scout said. "He’s the best of the bunch. You just wish he played more. The guy he played behind was terrible. Kind of a concern. As far as the physical gifts, he’s got everything. He’s got the poise, and he works hard." Trubisky is in play to go anywhere from No. 2 down -- and there's been talk, which we don't buy, that Cleveland is considering him at No. 1. "Can sling the ball but his feet get a little bit happy under pressure," a third scout said. "I don’t think he’s a quick mental processor. That’s going to take some time


    Again Alex Smith is being somewhat slighted - I think most teams would take Alex Smith in a heartbeat. I would argue Smith has been a top 10 QB during his time with the Chiefs. The Kirk Cousins comparison is a good one although Trubisky is more athletic. Cousins has outlasted the Gremlin in the NFL and become a better starting QB than the Gremlin was. I really wish all of these anonymous scouts would go on record so we can see how bad their track records really are.

    Hoping that Trubisky ends up in a good situation on Thursday night.
     
  3. Don Wassall

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    Alex Smith has always been a very solid quarterback with an elite winning percentage -- but he's also been a lousy fantasy football QB, which is one of the reasons he's constantly slighted. But the same was true of Troy Aikman and also Dan Marino to an extent, all-time greats whose tremendous play didn't translate well to fantasy. Fantasy football is just that, fantasy, real life production is all that counts but the continued popularity of fantasy football, along with the eager embrace of it by both the NFL and BSPN and the NFL Network is starting to blur the line between real and fantasy football.
     
  4. Leonardfan

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    Interesting draft rumors two days out from Tony Pauline:

    Garrett Bolles may slide on the 1st day of the draft and maybe out of the first round. This guy is probably a starter from Day 1 so hopefully he ends up in a solid situation. Perhaps the Texans could draft him since the sumofication of their o-line has been an issue with pass protection.


    Also this would be a huge upset but Davis Webb is being projected as a mid first round pick and supposedly the Saints, Cardinals and Chargers are all showing interest.

    Good article on Webb - touches on the fact that he lost his job at Texas Tech due to injury as well.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...rback-davis-webb-first-round-draft/100874240/
     
  5. Don Wassall

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    Today's local rag has Crawfords GM Kevin Colbert saying he expects an "unpredictable first round" and he has no idea when and which QBs will be taken early. My own "reading between the lines" feeling is that despite all the hype about all the wonderful (black) talent at so many positions, few players are seen as surefire NFL successes, especially the black quarterbacks. It's laughable that supposedly elite prospects are getting arrested and failing drug tests right up until the draft starts. The black talent pool grows smaller by the year, but with the fake news media now plugging in absurd numbers of blacks all over the place, the NFL will keep playing the good soldier and continue ignoring the many weaknesses of the demonic Caste baby it fathered.
     
  6. Extra Point

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    Last year a few in the mainstream sports media compared Carson Wentz to Alex Smith, a comparison which makes no sense. Wentz is a strong armed gunslinger in the Brett Favre mold. Smith is not a good comparison.

    Maybe this is a new "thing" by the mainstream media, compare white quarterbacks to Smith who is perceived (inaccurately) to be a mediocre quarterback.
     
  7. Leonardfan

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    It's a rumor but the crawfords are suppsoedly interested in Kizer as Ben's successor. I hope that happens.
     
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    Here are the results from the Arkansas workout yesterday. Pretty impressive #'s for Cody and results for his brother Jacob from his March Wyoming Pro Day. Unfortunately Cody has had a reoccurring foot injury which has plagued him over a couple of seasons.


    Five teams made their way to Arkansas today for a last-minute workout for three pass catchers. Here are the details.

    The Atlanta Falcons, Detroit Lions, New England Patriots, New York Jets and Tennessee Titanswere all on hand for today’s workout.

    The three players involved included receivers Keon Hatcher and Cody Hollister of Arkansas as well as tight end Jacob Hollister of Wyoming.

    Hatcher stood on his 40 time (4.55s) from the combine but posted a vertical jump of 34 inches and a broad jump of 10-feet even.

    Jacob Hollister stood on his pro-day numbers from last March, when he timed 4.58s in the 40, 4.34s in the short shuttle and 7.14s in the three-cone after measuring 6032 and 242 pounds.

    Cody Hollister measured 6031 and 208 pounds and timed 4.53s in the 40 and 7.02s in the three-cone. He touched 36 inches in the vertical jump and 10-feet even in the broad.



    http://draftanalyst.com/da-draft-buzz-pro-day-april-24
     
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  9. Don Wassall

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    Weenieworld gallantly rallies the hive mind troops to ignore Warren Sapp's criticisms of Myles Garrett. The attack on Sapp is the strongest Weenieworld has ever made against a black. Perhaps they don't want DWF Nation noticing how weak the black talent pool is yet again after the huge number of black busts in recent years.

    Appearing on the Dan Patrick Show Tuesday, NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah said, "I haven't talked to one personnel guy that has an issue with Myles Garrett and his effort." This has gotten some media attention in recent days, likely in a plot from some other team in trying to somehow scare the Browns off Garrett at No. 1 overall. But it's simply make believe, and world-class bonehead and ex-NFL Network "talent" Warren Sapp added fuel to it by calling Garrett out earlier this week for being "lazy". ESPN's Todd McShay ripped Sapp's evaluation on Tuesday, and some have even questioned if Sapp has ever even seen Garrett play a snap. We doubt it.


    I also noticed the below Weenieworld gem. Wasn't the party line until now that this draft was loaded at most positions? Now the new party line is that it "lacks star talent" but it's "extremely deep." That's quite a doublespeak turnaround.

    ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Bucs have talked with "at least three teams" about moving back in the first round and possibly out of round one altogether. Tampa Bay isn't alone in wanting to move back. It's far easier said than done because most teams want to keep their second- and third-round picks in what is perceived to be a draft class that lacks star talent but is thought to be extremely deep. Many teams in the second half of Round 1 will probably be working the phones on Thursday night trying to move back and stock picks.
     
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    Mike Lombardi (who imo is one of the smartest, least caste, football experts) acknowledged that Myles Garrett takes plays off. However, he still rated him the number 1 pick in the draft. That's because pass rusher is the perceived most important position after QB, and there is no clear cut number 1 QB in this draft.
     
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    With the draft starting tomorrow I always like to review mock drafts and top 100 prospect lists. Every year it's always the same number of whites in the top 3 rounds - 12-15 out of 100. How this pattern can be maintained year after year and viewed only as coincidence just goes to show how conditioned everyone is in accepting the caste system.

    The range of white players drafted will probably fall between 45-50. My hope is that a few overlooked white qbs get drafted in the later rounds - Beathard, Torgensen, Rush and Terrell while a few of the quotabacks fall out of the draft all together.
     
  14. Extra Point

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    Well, the draft is almost upon us. I think the big story is Christian McCaffrey and where he will go.

    I think Washington would be a good team for him. Jay Gruden would know how to use him. He would have Kirk Cousins, a franchise quarterback playing with him.

    Now, where Caff should go and will go are two different things. Based on merit he should go in the top ten. Maybe he will.

    Unfortunately, given the racist history of the NFL, he could drop into the second round. It wouldn't be surprising if he did.
     
  15. Leonardfan

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    Another afflete hit with an accusation before the draft. This time it's rape:

    Profootballtalk cites a league source that says the "current buzz" is Ohio State CB Gareon Conley will get picked before the end of Round 3.

    A possible top-10 pick only days ago, Conley's stock has been in a freefall since he was accused of rape by a Cleveland woman earlier this week. This is a fluid situation similar to the La’el Collins affair from a couple years back. Collins, a sure-fire first-rounder, ended up going undrafted. Conley could end up being exonerated. He could also end up being charged and potentially convicted of a first-degree felony. The NFL is working hard to gather information in advance of the beginning of the NFL Draft on Thursday night.
     
  16. Leonardfan

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    I think McCaffery is a 1st round lock at this point. Both he and Davis Webb seem to have gained a ton of positive momentum going into the draft tomorrow. Hopefully both of their white faces appear tomorrow night on millions of TVs as 1st round picks.
     
  17. Leonardfan

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    My one prediction for a draft pick - Dallas Lloyd to the 49ers in the 6th round.
     
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    I read yesterday that if the niners can't trade down from #2 they'll take him, would take this with a grain of salt as it's obviously very optimistic, but he should be a top 10 selection which is great.
     
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    I looked at some mock drafts and several of them have Caff going to Carolina at 8. I hope he goes high.

    Some of these drafts have Kizer going in the first round to Pittsburgh. Kizer had a completion percentage of less than 60% his last year. That's bad for a college quarterback. The only reason he's being hyped is his race, not his value as a prospect.
     
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    Redskins fan here, glad this forum is still around.

    On the one hand, I don't think any RB is worth a first round pick. I think the safest value is in O-line and D-line, but skill positions are fine too. And our team's big need is defense, where most of our starters are very untalented.

    On the other hand, I'm sick of watching this football team that is blacker than most basketball teams. So, yes please, give us McCaffrey and give me something to root for besides Kirk Cousins.
     
  21. Leonardfan

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    It may be smokescreen but the old crotchety caste clown coughlin is supposedly high on Watson which would signal the short Bortles era over in Jacksonville. Bortles has his warts but so does that WR and TE group who dropped a ton of passes last season. Their lack of a running game also killed them. Hopefully Marrone won't sign off on a quotaback but coughlin seems to be essentially running the whole show down there now.
     
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    I see some commentary here and elsewhere regarding the hurricane that hit ESPN yesterday and I probably will add my two cents. And I have way too much to say as usual but I want to look at the case study of Mike and Mike this morning and I made an extra effort to watch and or listen to most of it because I knew it would be draft heavy. Before I launch a couple of things to keep in the back of your mind when considering the layoffs. Stephen A Smith is under contract for 3.5 million and Mike Greenberg just got resigned for 6.5 million making him THEIR GUY!! And Smith right behind him.
    Adam Schecter the NFL insider who is pleasant enough ( similar to just laid off baseball guy Jayson Stark) and represents just the type of person who got laid off yesterday. The behind the scenes guy who does all the leg work and gets the "special" ESPN scoops that fans like myself like to hear about. He isn't like Golic and Greenberg and the other preening poseurs who now litter the ESPN landscape. He had two bits of info that would interest a lot of people here. He said the Browns are now leaning on picking Trubisky at number one. The reaction from the Mikes and "Booger" the new ESPN guy who is everywhere these days all predictably thought that would be a stupid move. Golic for the last 45 days each and every day like a steady drumbeat has said he thinks Watson is the best QB in the draft. Today by the end of the show he must have stated that view I swear to you over ten times during the course of three hours. Running Backs came up and Greenberg once again implied Christian is not NFL material. Schecter told the guys that the scouts are saying Christian had the BEST combine workout they have ever seen. A lay up where the panel picks up on it right?No. Booger mumbled about Christian being a muddled type of talent and Golic pretty much said he would be an average if that player before the guys including Greenberg launched into a praise party for Joe Mixon and Dalvin Cook.
    Next up was Jon Gruden an old fashioned guy without a caste back pack. Gruden loves Christian and said he would be spectacular. The panel didn't respond and quickly moved on to other players. Louis Riddick had some nice things to say about Christian as well and offered a tempered and reasonable argument about the risks of taking a QB at number one but the two Mikes hammered home how they think it would be a huge mistake if the Browns took Trubisky.
    Next up was Todd McShay who is caste oriented but as Golic was espousing the leadership skills and of Watson and the LSU safety McShay in a rare lucid moment said that if Christian goes to the Panthers he would change the culture there and provide leadership. This fell on deaf ears as Golic once again slighted Trubisky and praised Watson. Media people prefer certain players over others so there is no point getting all worked up if a media drone prefers a black player over a white player. But when it becomes a consistent constant pattern as it is with Greenberg and Golic you are looking at caste hounds right in the eye. I just can't believe how unrelenting these guys are and to me one of the major reasons people can't stand ESPN where everyday turns into piss on the white player day. And coupled with that is the elevating of black athletes into the celestial realm. Yesterday the psycho sexual love affair that Greenberg has for Westbrook spilled over and then they did a terribly unfunny bit about Derek Jeter comparing him to James Bond. God am I in a foul mood.
     
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  23. Leonardfan

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    I'd like to punch golic in his fat face.
     
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    Goddamn Bill Simmons on his draft podcast repeatedly demeaned McCaffrey referring to him as a "slot receiver." "Why would you trade up for a slot receiver?" Apparently Bill isn't aware that McCaffrey had 632 carries and only 99 receptions at Stanford - and I'm sure most of the receptions came from out of the backfield.
     
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    I have always found Simmons reprehensible and I am glad he is nowhere to be seen on TV. Its all happening in a few hours folks so a final word on the WR's. It looks like three( Cupp, Hansen ,Switzer) for certain although on Switzer I am about 80% confident he will get drafted. The issue that could come up are offensive designs of the teams and if he starts sliding the nightmare scenario could occur where teams that wouldn't be able to utilize him properly would be the only ones left with picks and they would pass on him. A couple of weeks ago I was getting juiced up over having maybe five white WR's chosen but it appears the annual death grip is coming into play. Not out of the question that a Taylor or Gentry gets nabbed late but don't place any bets. The terrific athletic specimens Brandon Reilly and Riley McCarron are likely to be ignored which is a bloody shame.
     
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